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Should i wait for Touch pro or just get Diamond?

Should i wait for Touch pro or just get Diamond?
The specifcation for Touch pro is definately what i'm looking for except "keyboard" and "size"
However, Diamonds has no externmal memory, and flash.
Now i'm really confuse, wheter to wait for Tocuh pro to release or just get diamond now
Many review say this diamond is very interesting.
Thanks for the advice.

If you don't want the keyboard, or the bloated size, then the Diamond's the one to choose.
You can always manage files to keep within the 4gb. You can't leave half the Pro at home when you don't want the size issue.
Kevin

Yep. Get the Diamond. 4GB is more than enough for most people, and a lack of flash will just mean some of your pictures will be lower quality. Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!

Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...

To be honest I'm gonna miss the qwerty keyboard on this device, but when I sum up the positive and negative sides from both pda's I personally think you're better off with the diamond if you're an avarage user. To sum my (most important) opinions:
Keyboard:
I think the keyboard is very handy, but I don't like the thickness of the Touch Pro. At the moment I have a MDA Vario (wizard). Great device (for it's time) but it's just too gigantic imo. When you look at the new software keyboard it looks like it works like a charm (by the way, does anyone have real experience with it?) and makes the keyboard look very depricated imo.
Memory/SD:
Yeah, upgradable can be very handy. But if you look at the Diamond specs.. I mean, 4 gig.. Isn't that just enough for a phone/pda?
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!

Totally agree.
moving from Excalibur to Diamond was quite a challenge for me personaly.
I miss my easy texting on hardware qwerty keyboard I like new touchflo but as soon as Touch Pro is out, I will be switching to Rafael. Diamond is great though. Just not my cup of tea
WorldIRC said:
Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...
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I currently use Artemis,
Actually Touch pro size is not so different from Artemis
Touch Pro: 102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 18.05 mm (T)
Artemis: 108 mm (L) X 58 mm (W) X 16.8 mm (T)
Only 1.25 MM. thicker
However, still i never used any keyboard phone
XDA Mini--> Atom--> Prophet --> Artemis ---> ???
Just wonder, if i keep on Diamond.. is will be the same feeling
I have no conclusion yet, Thanks

geeMc said:
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!
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Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
And then, this is like the fifth thread about that. Let's try to keep it all in one place. Anyways, my opinion...

demonizator said:
Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
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I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*

Dark Fire said:
I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*
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Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.

is the Pro 288 MB RAM vs diamond 192MB RAM
I live with my hermes more than 2 years so the size is not the problem (IMO no phone could beat the hermes (Iphone, Kaiser...) but the Touch pro is the killer)

demonizator said:
Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.
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Well, I was kinda hoping that it would be true. I'll show you the sources:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/read.php?id=2917&ch=1 (newsarticle, in dutch)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2521 (spec page diamond)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2522 (spec page raphael)
I assumed these were the right specifications, but hey, you made me doubt myself .

Wouldn't count on that. I guess it's the only site stating that. Check this too. It's absolutely the same display.

http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..

firstime911 said:
http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..
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the moste important fact for me was the vga resolution on the diamond, the samsung has only a 240x400 resolution...
thats more like a killer armed with a watergun

I have to agree with chaos42. While the Samsung is a slick device, resolution is a HUGE deal. Once you go VGA, you can't go back. Of course, WVGA would be nice...
Also, it looks like the TD is somewhat significantly smaller... Also a huge deal. I love having a phone that does so much more than an iPhone AND is smaller...

Dark Fire said:
Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!
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I'm only just getting onto the whole TP idea (afte considering an Xperia), but I'm currently on a Nokia N95 which is 99 x 53 x 21. The TP/Raphael is 102 x 51 x 18...so for me it'll be smaller!!

See, when you compare an N95, which although big, is a great device, yet still easy enough to put in one hand, you can see that the Pro really isn't huge...

And compared to the old HTC Universal, they're ALL teeny tiny. And compared to my truck - I could carry around a phone-booth and it would be small. I can't think of any phones that wouldn't "fit in a hand". The quest for ever-smaller devices is more about what fits in your pockets than your hand, and to that point - I have found that anything with a physical keyboard is going to be too big.

And my athena too It's tiny compared to that

Announcing Touch Diamond 2

Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Katey said:
Taiwan HTC Corp. released a new version of gadget HTC Touch Diamond 2. The newly-designed product weighs 175g and differs from the first version with the following features: WVGA touch-screen has larger dimensions and higher resolution – 3.2 MP (480x800 pixels). For supporting the tradition, there will be restrained HSDPA, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. The users of the gadget based on OS Windows 6.1 will have the improved Touch Flo interface with some added elements resembling Palm Pre.
The gadget functions based on chipset Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz and has 5 MP camera with auto focus ability. Thus, it is 3 MP more than it was in the first version. The smartphone has 512Mb ROM, 288Mb RAM, besides it is possible to enhance the memory by means of microSD card. The phone has also GPS and A-GPS functions.
In future HTC Corp. intends to impress its fans with new software-innovations. In particular, HTC Corp. has already developed software-initiative Push Internet supposed for better functioning of the gadget in the Internet.
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Is this SPAM ? Or do you really think that a site like this four days later still has no clue about phones that were announced four days ago.
Even though more than a few of it's members were actually at the conference where the phones were announced.
On second thought this has got to be spam.

Its not spam.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html

HD or TD2?

Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
Which is faster?
user friendly??
What is the processor difference? (it is not the same)
Screen quality (not size)

chris2004 said:
Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
Which is faster?
user friendly??
What is the processor difference? (it is not the same)
Screen quality (not size)
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I own both , td2 is faster , most user friendly , better screen quality
processor differences ? just the VGA videorecorder , td2 has and hd no

stesa said:
I own both , td2 is faster , most user friendly , better screen quality
processor differences ? just the VGA videorecorder , td2 has and hd no
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So, the td2 had an improvement in the hardware lcd screen, right?If I m right the hd is more susceptive to brick? The assistence in Brazil is a hell and send to fix to htc international it will cost a lot of money since here there isn't a good place to do this.

chris2004 said:
Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
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I wish I knew - crucial question for me, too.
Brandon from pocketnow.com thinks the TD2 is the better deal, check out his video comparison.
I've checked with a few vendors, and indeed the HD is still more expensive.
Newer device, better WM integration from what I hear, definite WM6.5 upgrade for less bucks? I'm tempted ...
> user friendly??
I wonder about that, too. The HD is a bit awkward to handle due to its size, but then again, I think I really want the huge display. I'm thinking it could serve as an internet tablet replacement, couldn't it?
Xperia X1, by comparison, has WVGA display too, and that's just too small for my eyes (amazing pixel-per-inch though!).
Hmmmm ... HD: 3.8" ... TD2: 3.2" ... X1: 3" ...
TD2 owners, let's hear it!
N.

own both, and I really cannot make a choice. My HD runs Dutty's 3.2 ROM which means that they pretty much have the same software. I list the benefits of either over the other, as far as I am concerned. For me, I believe its a tie.
TD2:
- TF3D is much faster for some reason. (perhaps because it is running an official ROM?)
- Warmer screen colors
- Small and Pocketable, it actually feels like a phone
- Cheaper
- Zoom bar is a really useful addition, but I could live without it.
- VGA video, but I don't use it that much anyway. Haven't noticed any significant difference on photo quality.
HD:
- Slightly better battery Life.
- BIG SCREEN makes writing with the on-screen keyboard more comfortable. Browsing the web is pure bliss. Car navigation experience is also superior
- 3.5mm audio jack means that I don't have to worry about forgetting the ExtUSB adapter.

Thanks pangel83 - I'm thinking along those lines too.
BTW, for everyone, there seems to be pretty much the same thread here. Just thought I'd point that out here, since apparently the other thread was created earlier. Didn't find it sooner myself, now keeping track of both.
N.

The HD is much more expensive than the TD2 and the only real difference is the screen size and the 3,5mm jack. Since a converter costs a few dollars it's not that big of a deal (unless you always forget it) and the size of the HD is not always a pro.
I'd say look at the video comparison of pocketnow, all their videos were really helpful when I had to chose a new phone

Which one is a better upgrade: TP1 to TP2 or X1 to X2

Ok, I just wanted to ask you: which one is a better upgrade TouchPro1 to TouchPro2 or X1 to X2? In my opinion, these two are not worhy to be called "major upgrades" but what do you think? You all know the specs I suppose.
7200A to rule them all )))
PS: A good upgrade will be for them to change the platform for lets say Snapdragon or at least Cortex A8, if we are about to throw like $600 for new SmartPhone.

Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus

Hannigan174 said:
Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Yes?? In WHAT way?
Interesting.

lol TP2 is a joke compared to the x1 farther more the x2....only feature that is dominant is the speakerphone thingy, to me its like the compass on the iphone 3gs, partially useless
have you guys seen the silver x2 in full bloom on phonearena.com?
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im starting to like it but i still wont buy unless my x1 passes away(which i hope it doesn't)

Looks quite awesome.
No matter if somebody likes X2 or not,
I think TP2 was a minor upgrade compared to X2 which,
offers some more things than it's predecessor.

the tp2 could barely stand up to the x1 (having a bigger screen that was better than the x1). the x2 is the best of the 4 phones but maybe (in my opinion) not enough to warrant a buy (at £500+ in the uk for a sim free handset) if u already own a x1. true a tp2 is better than a tp but if u are going to buy a phone from the 4, the x2 is the best of the bunch by some distance.

I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
The only true reasons X1 is better:
3.5 mm Headphone Jack
LED Camera Flash
LED Notification
Frontal D-Pad
Looks Way Better than TP2
Optical Joystick that makes scrolling so much easier than with the stylus
The other "subjective" reasons:
Panels are better than Touch Flo 3D
Touch Flo 3D is better than Panels
Similar Traits:
CPU and RAM and ROM
Internal Battery
On the other hand TP2 has:
Bigger Screen
Louder Speakers
Better Speakers
Call Muting
Tilting Screen
Accelerometer
Keyboard and Number Row with Arrow Keys and Ctrl Functionality
FN and CAP Indicators
Zooming Bar
Anyway, if HTC combines both of the Pro's from both devices and atleast a 800 MHz CPU, I would buy it for sure.

Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.

poetryrocksalot said:
I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
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its not that i dislike the tp2 but that its almost the same phone as the x1 and was released 6 months after with very few extras and it does not look as good and has some things missing that the x1 has (3.5mm jack etc). i also dont like touchflo but thats only my opinion.
but compared to the x2, the tp2 has nothing that the x2 does not have and the x2 has lots of stuff better (3.5mm jack, 8.1mp camera).
so if you were to buy one of the 4 handsets (and did not own and of the above, maybe if u owned tp1) the x2 would be the best handset by some distance.

[email protected] said:
Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
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im not saying the samsung omnia pro will be bad but i have never had a good samsung phone (tested about 4 different ones including the tocco ultra).

TP2 was a downgrade, so X2 is more of an upgrade to the X1, compared to TP2 and TP.
Now to the OT stuff lol:
- yeah, if someone combined the X1 and the TP2, it would the greatest phone ever.
- lol @ Omnia Pro. It is good, but not good enough to be mentioned in the same thread as these devices. Plus, I have had only bad experiences with Samsung devices previously.

What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1

DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).

DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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Well, I can add more cons, byt let me tackle those pros lol.
1 - Anything more than 5mpx is for pro photographers only. You will not notice the difference between 5 or 8mpx. It comes down to the hardware. A good 3mpx camera can shoot better pics than a crappy 8mpx.
2 - Good. I would prefer more, but that's not the point.
3 - Gimmick. I always keep it off on every phone that I had. No use at all for it. Rotates the screen when you DON'T want it too lol. The games are a pathetic notion, because when you turn or swivel, you loose eyesight of the screen, or are forced to tilt your head haha.
4 - We will get that for the X1.
5 - Yup.
6 - I'll reserve judgement for now.
To sum it up. We get the same device with a makeover (looks uglier lmao), they take stuff out (radio) and give us two minor upgrades - 2 inches of screen (who will notice this?) and TV-out (1 out of 20 people uses it twice per year).
I'm on the verge of calling this a downgrade rofl...

Ganondolf said:
1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
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1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.

SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...

hyellow said:
SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
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I wish you staying happy TP2 user!
No problem. My Xperia basically is great and I read many contrary opinions.

orelsi said:
1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
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1. may be a gimmick but its still there and works (the guy said that it was disabled, but its not).
2. most people think the x1 is not accelerated but it is and the x2 more so.
3. i prefer the x1 too but like anything in life people have there opinions (like yours with iphones)
4 it may be a cheaper design but i would rather it be make from plastic if i have good constant signal (at the mo my x1 looses signal every time u go to text what is a piss take).
5. i suppose it depends if u really want a radio or not.
also your point about the 8mp camera is true but i have heard the sensor on the x2 is like the one on the top cybershot phone (C05 i think its called), they did not put there 12mp sensor in what is probably because its not as good as the 8mp sensor. i dont think anyone could complain about having a better camera even if u dont need it.

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But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did
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did they??????
x1 - x2 = same cpu, same ram, better camera.
3g - 3gs = doubled ram, new cortex A-8 cpu (not only running 200mhz faster but the cpu itself is in a different league) better camera.
if u dont know these simple facts its hard to take your opinion seriously.

Well I'll happy of having 8mpx camera on my device.

WM7 Pure?? - Not really

No this isn't a thread asking if WM7 is coming to pure. I was reading I think it was may issue of an australian technology mag APC and it mentioned that the pure will be the first phone to get the WM7 upgrade. I don't know were that would have came from but has anyone else heard anything of this? I personally think it was a faulty sources though.

Not to be stingy but its actually WP7, its no longer windows mobile as any apps will not be supported, Its now Windows Phone 7 I'm not sure if its a complete recode, but from what I've seen its completely different from windows mobile.
WP7 Will NOT come to the Pure, Unless they're making a new Pure haha.
"FYI: Windows Phone 7 Series Minimum System Requirements
Capacitive Touch: 4 or more contact points
Sensors: A-GPS, Accelerometer, Compass, Light, Proximity
Camera: 5 megapixels or more, Camera with a flash and dedicated camera button
Multimedia: Common detailed specs, Codec acceleration
Memory: 256 MB, 8 GB Flash or more
GPU: DirectX 9 acceleration
Processor: ARMv7 Cortex/Scorpion or better
2 screen sizes: 480×800 WVGA, 480×320 HVGA
Keyboard: Optional
Hardware Buttons: Must be fixed on the face"
This pretty much means No WP7 on Pure it doesn't really have a DX 9 capable GPU

Yep I'm aware of all that, I was merely commenting on what was reported, thats all. But thanks anyway.

ive seen this post here and all over the net and see the same reply. that the pure is not "strong" enough to handle windows 7 mobile.