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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
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maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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SKSAustin
Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
Should i wait for Touch pro or just get Diamond?
The specifcation for Touch pro is definately what i'm looking for except "keyboard" and "size"
However, Diamonds has no externmal memory, and flash.
Now i'm really confuse, wheter to wait for Tocuh pro to release or just get diamond now
Many review say this diamond is very interesting.
Thanks for the advice.
If you don't want the keyboard, or the bloated size, then the Diamond's the one to choose.
You can always manage files to keep within the 4gb. You can't leave half the Pro at home when you don't want the size issue.
Kevin
Yep. Get the Diamond. 4GB is more than enough for most people, and a lack of flash will just mean some of your pictures will be lower quality. Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!
Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...
To be honest I'm gonna miss the qwerty keyboard on this device, but when I sum up the positive and negative sides from both pda's I personally think you're better off with the diamond if you're an avarage user. To sum my (most important) opinions:
Keyboard:
I think the keyboard is very handy, but I don't like the thickness of the Touch Pro. At the moment I have a MDA Vario (wizard). Great device (for it's time) but it's just too gigantic imo. When you look at the new software keyboard it looks like it works like a charm (by the way, does anyone have real experience with it?) and makes the keyboard look very depricated imo.
Memory/SD:
Yeah, upgradable can be very handy. But if you look at the Diamond specs.. I mean, 4 gig.. Isn't that just enough for a phone/pda?
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!
Totally agree.
moving from Excalibur to Diamond was quite a challenge for me personaly.
I miss my easy texting on hardware qwerty keyboard I like new touchflo but as soon as Touch Pro is out, I will be switching to Rafael. Diamond is great though. Just not my cup of tea
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Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...
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I currently use Artemis,
Actually Touch pro size is not so different from Artemis
Touch Pro: 102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 18.05 mm (T)
Artemis: 108 mm (L) X 58 mm (W) X 16.8 mm (T)
Only 1.25 MM. thicker
However, still i never used any keyboard phone
XDA Mini--> Atom--> Prophet --> Artemis ---> ???
Just wonder, if i keep on Diamond.. is will be the same feeling
I have no conclusion yet, Thanks
geeMc said:
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!
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Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
And then, this is like the fifth thread about that. Let's try to keep it all in one place. Anyways, my opinion...
demonizator said:
Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
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I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*
Dark Fire said:
I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*
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Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.
is the Pro 288 MB RAM vs diamond 192MB RAM
I live with my hermes more than 2 years so the size is not the problem (IMO no phone could beat the hermes (Iphone, Kaiser...) but the Touch pro is the killer)
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Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.
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Well, I was kinda hoping that it would be true. I'll show you the sources:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/read.php?id=2917&ch=1 (newsarticle, in dutch)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2521 (spec page diamond)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2522 (spec page raphael)
I assumed these were the right specifications, but hey, you made me doubt myself .
Wouldn't count on that. I guess it's the only site stating that. Check this too. It's absolutely the same display.
http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..
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http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..
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the moste important fact for me was the vga resolution on the diamond, the samsung has only a 240x400 resolution...
thats more like a killer armed with a watergun
I have to agree with chaos42. While the Samsung is a slick device, resolution is a HUGE deal. Once you go VGA, you can't go back. Of course, WVGA would be nice...
Also, it looks like the TD is somewhat significantly smaller... Also a huge deal. I love having a phone that does so much more than an iPhone AND is smaller...
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Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!
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I'm only just getting onto the whole TP idea (afte considering an Xperia), but I'm currently on a Nokia N95 which is 99 x 53 x 21. The TP/Raphael is 102 x 51 x 18...so for me it'll be smaller!!
See, when you compare an N95, which although big, is a great device, yet still easy enough to put in one hand, you can see that the Pro really isn't huge...
And compared to the old HTC Universal, they're ALL teeny tiny. And compared to my truck - I could carry around a phone-booth and it would be small. I can't think of any phones that wouldn't "fit in a hand". The quest for ever-smaller devices is more about what fits in your pockets than your hand, and to that point - I have found that anything with a physical keyboard is going to be too big.
And my athena too It's tiny compared to that
With regard to video performance etc which HTC refuse to address?
No (filler)
Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?
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Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?
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hihi this means that he has to fill his sentense because the minimum lenght of a message is 6 (?) characters...
he also could have written: no my friend...
LOL thanks dude.
I am thinking about going against my better judgement and ditching the TyTnII and selling it then upgrading to a contract to get the diamond.
I like the HTC devices and would gladly keep the TyTnii but the performance is annoying me as I know although acceptable knowing it could do better ......
well ya know
Yeah sorry mate, could have been a bit politer. And it was to add more characters like he said. I think the minimum is 10.
Rory
lo no worries
I hope I'm not too late, because you'll regret it if you dump your Kaiser for the Diamond over video performance.
See this thread for benchmarking details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397478
Playing the same video, the Diamond was only able to match the HTC Touch's performance. The Touch has the same processor and video issues as the Kaiser. The diamond was almost 30% slower than a 3 year old 6700 running at 416mhz.
Edit: I was also told that this website had done prior benchmarking to verify that while the Diamond featured some video improvements over the Touch and Kaiser, they weren't significant overall.
I like the diamond, but I wouldn't ditch my tytn II for it just yet unless you have plenty of $$$, wait for the diamond pro and reconsider.
-mix
Thanks for the info! I was toying with the idea of getting a diamond as the tytnII perfromance does niggle me.
But I have been reading a lot on this site and am now being drawn to having a go at flashing my tytnII ..... after I have thoroughly read what I need to first of course!
The Touch Diamond doesn't seem to be even close to for example Samsung i780 video performance, so I'd say that it still has some sort of video performance issues, if not the same as the TyTN II has.
Although I like the Touch Diamond, I think that HTC rushed things with this unit and it DEFINETELY isn't the 530 EUR worth I paid for.
I bought a SE C902 for 350 EUR one week earlier and although this is no WM device and I can't install many third party programs(just java stuff), the performance and especially the camera of the C902 are really very very good. Yes, the Touch Diamond looks better but the C902 is even slightly thinner and less wide, not to forget about the mentioned absolutely GREAT picture quality/speed of the 5MP camera.
Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...
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Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...
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so? you still wouldn't get better performance out of it. Same driver issues.
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
Bellers said:
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
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You are asking the impossible. Nobody from here can pick a device for you...
Try here ...
K
If you want an official upgrade to Winmo 6.5, and potentially Winmo 7, go for the TD2. Microsoft are christening 6.5 and beyond as "windows phone" rather than "windows mobile" and have specified that windows phones must have a flag button (and presumably other hardware stuff). Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee, but it's looking like the Touch HD will not get any official upgrades. There's always the unofficial ROMs on here, of course, but personally I like to keep to official ROMs for the phone I use for running my business.
Just a thought.
Jim Coleman said:
Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee.
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Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
andyturner said:
Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
Jim Coleman said:
It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Man I feel sucky already.....
Haha! Fair enough, I stand corrected, looks like a good excuse for a new phone an a year or so then :O)
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Did you even read the whole blog post? Here are a few snippets you forgot to mention.
Blog title
Could this be the hardware spec for Microsoft's Pink phone?
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First up: A list of what may or may not be the final specs for the Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1. Chassis 1 seems to be the the heart of the rumored “Pink” Microsoft phone and possibly other Windows Mobile 7 phones made by Microsoft partners.
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Some caveats about this list: Microsoft officials won’t talk publicly about Pink or Windows Mobile 7 (and only selectively about Windows Mobile 6.5) at this point. This information also is at least a few months old and may have changed a bit.
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And then the information you posted. So number 1 its not official, and number 2 it may not even be talking about minimum specs for WM7 but new hardware from Microsoft themselves. In saying all that its extremely unlikely that an official upgrade to WM7 will ever appear for Current phones, or even upcoming ones like the Touch Pro 2, purely because by the time WM7 launches they will be too old.
Haha again! Rumour quoted as truth eh!
Truth is, I'd love a Microsoft phone, at least if there were any probs it'd be all Microsoft's fault - none of this manufacturer-blames-os-maker-and-vice-versa crap!
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
I had a HD and lost it two weeks ago. I had it for 6 month and just watched one houre movie at that time. When I bought a new phone I had both of them in my hands and played around to see the difference. First the d2 is quicker and runs smoother. Not even that, the upgrade had added some good functionality in the contacts tab. I really like that you can see all emails and sms you sent or received from a contact. On my HD I used iContact, but dont need that anymore.
The size is also positive. It feels more like a phone than the HD. Feels right in the hand.
The bad part is the loss of the 3,5mm. I had to buy a usb->3.5mm converter and that is big and clumsy. Not good at al. My other concern is that I cant reach thumbcal from a appointment on the today tab.
If I lose my phon again I go for the d2 again. I am very very happy with it, and I was very happy with my old HD.
switched from HD to TD2
Kill_bill said:
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
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Hi,
I had the TouchHD for 5 months until I sold it to get the new TD2.
My actual reason was the size, the TD2 is really more like a phone now, whereas the HD was more like a PDA.
- the hardware is exactly the same (some other processor model I think, but exactly the same speed so no changes here)
- actually I liked the all-black design from the HD better, but the TD2 still looks very nice and high-class. The build quality is pretty much very high on both devices but the metal finish of the TD2 simulates better grade of quality. (I personally think that the TD2 is a little bit better built)
- the shipped software is a major improvment on the TD2. I had to install tons of apps and finally flash some really good ROMs (Dutty's Ship V3.3) to get a decent user interface. on the TD2 it's all here...even without the flashing.
- official winmo 6.5 update was very important to me (of yourse, there are cooked 6.5 roms for the touchHD but most of them are still very buggy and bear in mind that winmo 6.5 isn't officially released yet!)
- I love the new "start" key (which is the reason why the HD won't get an official update to 6.5). It makes it so much easier to operate your phone with one hand.
And the 4 hardware keys are now illuminated, which makes it a lot easier when it's dark. (and it's a cool looking white light!)
- I like the new speaker position (on the side instead of on the back). makes it easer to hear when your phone is on a bed/couch...
- the stylus isn't magnetically put into place any more, but I barely use it, so actually I don't care.
- The TD2 is 1mm thicker (not really noticeable)
- I was thrilled about the 3,5mm jack of the HD but I actually didn't use it at all. (there is nothing like an ipod) so it was no downgrade for me.
- I feared that typing on the slightly smaller screen would be harder on the TD2 but you just have to get used to it! So for me there are no issues with the smaller sized screen...not with browsing (I do a lot), not for videos, not for tomtom nor anything else. (the screen was really huge on the HD, maybe a little bit too big for my taste...like I said...more PDA than phone)
And because of the smaller screen size but the same resolution, the images look a little bit crisper in comparison.
- I think that the background illumination is slightly higher on the TD2. In my opinion it's a little bit better to read from in bright daylight.
- It's a new device: nice to have a change and six more months warranty!
I think, I covered all my impressions after having the TD2 for about 2 weeks now. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be happy to answer.
...also see Brandon's comparison video @pocketnow.com
Having a really tough time deciding which to buy...
The TP2 does look very compelling in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4TKMypIg4&feature=channel_page
Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2
jeutie said:
Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2
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Agreed. Main factor for me was the size: TD2 is perfect in that respect for my kind of use, and I do not miss keyboard (if I have large amount of text to type, I have a laptop or a workstation anyway). Keyboards had much too much bulk for the advantage they offer imho...
Design-wise, the only think I would change on the TD2 would be a slightly larger screen, if that is possible keeping the overall size exactly the same, and more physical controls (side wheel for scrolling, more remappable buttons). At a led flash, mainly for having flashlight always handy ;-)
IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.
chch said:
IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.
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I agree... not sure why people really have difficulty here....
Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!
Jim Coleman said:
Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!
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Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR
jtgbdr said:
Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR
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I use all the standard plugins plus WMP Status 1.0, TodayAgenda and Cash Organizer 2008.
I don't use any "Today replacement" plugins because I actually use the standard Today screen and think it's the best way of getting all the info I want on one screen.
The TF3D music player needs to have TF3D enabled. I use WMP, hence the WMP Status Today plugin.
TodayAgenda is the best thing since the news of Jacqui Smith's sacking.
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Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
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awesome review
thedudelasse said:
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
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i couldn't decide wether to wait a month for the TP2 or go buy the TD2, congratulation you just convinced me to wait