I have been looking for this since I first started using Windows Mobile.
Unfortunately, most of the softwares out there (because they are not built into the ROM) can not reject calls without the other side knowing. I have tried every software out there, all of them are the same, the caller will hear a ring, or part of a ring, then they will get a busy signal (rejected).
I can't believe this is hard to create, I use to have it 12 years ago in my BASIC alcatel phone. When a black listed caller dials, they get nothing .. or get an out of coverage message from the operator. I believe the way it worked, is that the phone detects the caller number, BEFORE responding that it has acknowledged the call and is ringing.
I guess that is why I am saying that it is built in to the ROM as a driver or something, and not just a software.
Any Ideas, thoughts, where I can find this, anyone WILLING to make it ?
I know there are some recent roms being created that has the call blocking feature built in. i'm using one those roms, which is indicated in my signature. when u mentioned that you've tried them (call blocking applications) all, were they free and/or commercial apps, or apps created in the development/hacking section? Collectively speaking, there's alot of those types of applications floating out there, but maybe you've already tried those.
pheroah said:
I have been looking for this since I first started using Windows Mobile.
Unfortunately, most of the softwares out there (because they are not built into the ROM) can not reject calls without the other side knowing. I have tried every software out there, all of them are the same, the caller will hear a ring, or part of a ring, then they will get a busy signal (rejected).
I can't believe this is hard to create, I use to have it 12 years ago in my BASIC alcatel phone. When a black listed caller dials, they get nothing .. or get an out of coverage message from the operator. I believe the way it worked, is that the phone detects the caller number, BEFORE responding that it has acknowledged the call and is ringing.
I guess that is why I am saying that it is built in to the ROM as a driver or something, and not just a software.
Any Ideas, thoughts, where I can find this, anyone WILLING to make it ?
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1st off, change your number
if that doesn't suite your needs make a fake dial tone which states your number is not in service as your voicemail while using call firewall. after a few weeks the person will give up calling you. Callers will receive one full ring and it will go to your new fake voicemail after blocking them, which they will perceive as your phone being turned off or changed your number.
common sense now pay me.
hahahah nice one .. except the keyword here is UNDETECTABLE ... if they know i changed my number or i am blocking them, they will find me and ask for the NEW number ....
As I said before, the only device I saw that feature on, was the really old alcatel models; which didn't give you a ring, didn't give you a busy tone, probably just ignored the request coming in from the telco when it is one of the black listed numbers.
Nice try, but I would pay you, if you could do the same on windows mobile. By the way I was testing an alpha versio of the cruise before it was launched, and it actually (accidently) opened the speaker, before you actually picked up the phone call, so the other side could hear you, before you even answer.
Thus, I am sure these things are possible, if there is someone who has the knowledge, and power to play with the operator
I haven't tried anything comercial, didn't find what i was looking for. If you know of any comercial software or freeware that does what i am stating. i.e. doesn't ring before it blocks the call. That would be great
I have something called MAGICALL, and it works great. You can set it to pick up then hang up, however the best part is that the call doesnt "come through" or let the phone ring. Unless you specify the software to give you a pop up message indicating it blocked a call. I love it since it doesnt even let the phone ring, its like if you never got called.
Same thing, I already tried MagiCall and it rings once to the caller, and then disconnects. Very obvious that you are avoiding the person.
I currently use a free voicemail feature called YouMail, which has call filtering and call blocking features. You can block calls (I believe) and also create a unique voicemail greetings for those you want/trying to avoid as well. www.youmail.com
I also use magicall for this. As an action I choose 'ignore' and then the caller just hears the phoen ringing, the connection is not broken. And you, well you hear and see nothing so you are not disturbed. Is that not what you want/?
Not exactly, ignore is a nice feature if you dont' want to be disturbed, but if someone is constantly bugging you; you would like them not to even reach your phone (so they don't come next day in the office, and say I left you three missed calls, and you didn't answer me).
It would be easier if they just got a this phone is out of coverage (or something similar) from the operator; then you can always blame the operator, that they couldn't reach you ... you get my drift ?
Yeah, I get your drift. But, if you're not reachable, then I guess it's the provider that sends back a message to the caller. I don't think your phone can send that message to the caller.
Moreover in most cases if you're not reachable then the caller also gets sent to your voicemail and he can also leave a message and come to you next day asking why you didn't react to his voice messages.
So the only option would be to send a message back saying that the number doesn't exist. But again, you would have to be able to spoof a provider based message for that.
I see these options when a caller really wants to get hold of you and you don't want to react:
* drop the call after 1 ring: caller notices he gets dropped, gets pissed an comes to see you
* send message back saying you're out of coverage: caller leaves message, which you ignore, caller gets pissed and comes to see you
* send a message back saying that the number doesn't exist: caller inquires whether you changed number, finds out you didn't, gets pissed and comes to see you
* silently ignore him: caller leaves a message, which you ignore, caller gets pissed and comes to see you.
Seems you're screwed either way
Why not simply answer the call and tell the caller to f*ck off. He's bound to get pissed also but at least he'll leave you alone and you'll feel relieved.
Well for one, I don't use voice mail ... secondly, because it is the provider that sends the message, it is authentic....
So if your mobile ... somehow ... ignores the call coming from the provider ... the provider sends a message saying that the mobile is out of coverage ...
pheroah said:
hahahah nice one .. except the keyword here is UNDETECTABLE ... if they know i changed my number or i am blocking them, they will find me and ask for the NEW number ....
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Hmm, you're asking for someone to develop a piece of software because you have no spine? I know of no Java/.Net/etc API that is better than the truth. Tell the person to leave you be. The currently available call firewalls work great for when you need to be in a "Call Free Environment."
It has nothing to do with my spine; and I currently have NO ONE harasing me; but I believe that the current Call firewalls have a disadvantage, and lack a feature.
I wish there was someone in XDA-Developers who is willing to spend some time to make some adjustments to one of the ROMs to have this built in. Especially as this feature is available in historic phones that have a lot less features than a WM.
Im also using Magicall for this & its working great, the other party doen't even hear a ring. It has many other features too.
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I have an unknown number calling me and I want to know who it is, I answer they hang up. The only way that I know of that will unhide the number is through trap call. I don't know how many of you are familiar with trap call but pretty much you get an unknown number calling you, reject it, then it comes back to you with their real number. I have it on my spare phone and it works but I don't want to out it on my main line, because it messes up your voice mail. I can foward calls to my spare phone from my main phone but I don't want to be doing that 24/7
So does anyone know if there is any sort of app that I can install to my xperia that will unhide unknown numbers? I figured since many of the people in these forums are a lot more knowledgeable than maybe someone knew of such an app. It would be pretty handy Thanks
I'm looking for exactly the same kind of util. We don't have trap call available here. If someone can explain how the caller ID process work, does the number even get transmitted to your phone? but not showing due to some setting in the data of the acctual call?
The other side of the coin then, can you witheld your ID on a SMS?
Hi Before I purchased my Kaiser i had a Sony Ericsson phone, my old phone gave me a signal when the person I was calling was handling another call. This is not happening with my Kaiser, anyone know of an application that can make this on the Kaiser or can anyone develop one? (I know it still working because I just test it with my old phone)
Thanks
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as far as i know, if you call a person who is busy on another line, my network plays a prerecorded female voice that says:
"The number you have dialed is busy on another line. Please wait."
i had a cheap-ass motorola phone and this is what i heard. after upgrading to the kaiser, i hear the SAME THING, nothing more, nothing less.
what i mean to say is that MAYBE the sony ericsson was doing something propriatory that might not be considered a "standard feature" and therefore the kaiser (and my previous cheap-ass motorola and countless other basic bare bone phones i've used) doesn't include it.
HOWEVER, when I myself am on the phone and someone calls me, the kaiser beeps/rings/vibrates (depending on the sound profile and settings) to indicate i have a call waiting.
ASCIIker said:
as far as i know, if you call a person who is busy on another line, my network plays a prerecorded female voice that says:
"The number you have dialed is busy on another line. Please wait."
i had a cheap-ass motorola phone and this is what i heard. after upgrading to the kaiser, i hear the SAME THING, nothing more, nothing less.
what i mean to say is that MAYBE the sony ericsson was doing something propriatory that might not be considered a "standard feature" and therefore the kaiser (and my previous cheap-ass motorola and countless other basic bare bone phones i've used) doesn't include it.
HOWEVER, when I myself am on the phone and someone calls me, the kaiser beeps/rings/vibrates (depending on the sound profile and settings) to indicate i have a call waiting.
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ASCIIker I Completely understand what your saying, when you call someone that is busy on another line your carrier gives you a message saying that the caller is busy on the other line and to wait, in my carrier it doesn't happen like that, you get the same tone as if the caller its not on another call, so that's why this tools is handy at least with my carrier, In my case it goes like these, it rings and in the middle of the first ring it gives me a tone(and also shows a message saying "caller busy"), with my kaiser it doesn't do it.
Thanks for the reply
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I woke up yesterday morning and had an idea for an app...
Now im not a coder so im not sure how easy it would be but im thinking alot of it should be pretty simple.
Now to the core of the app.
My thoughts are for an app that goes and retrieves your voicemail and saves it as a mp3 on your phone.
1. When a message is recieved from a certain number the app is triggered
2. The app starts recording the voice mail that is left.
3. (this is the tricky part) detect when the voicemail has finish and send the no. to delete the message. For my voicemail i press 3 to delete the messages.
4. Hang up the call and save the message to your phone.
Now there is a few reasons behind this.
It will save on money for some people, as i know here in Aus some companies charge to ring your voicemail no. So this app could download it and you could listen to it as much as possible.
If its important you could save it off to your computer or email to someone else to listen to.
As i said im not a coder but i thought this might be a good idea for someont o look into. Would have been good for the ADC2 but entries have finished for that now.
Anyway if any developers want to run with this go a head.
Great idea! But it has already been done. Check the market
seriously, lol
Whats the name of it
Thanks for the heads up
pf fusion voicemail, youmail I think, tmobile visual voicemail. I personally use pf fusion visual voicemail. It saves the messages to your sd card, has a nice user interface, and also backs them up to their server so you can retrieve them online.
lookout4theyeti said:
pf fusion voicemail, youmail I think, tmobile visual voicemail. I personally use pf fusion visual voicemail. It saves the messages to your sd card, has a nice user interface, and also backs them up to their server so you can retrieve them online.
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youmail does exactly the same thing. in addition to that, if you buy a youmail premium subscription (they have several levels depending on how many voicemails you regularly get) you can get the voicemails transcribed to text and displayed as well.
another one to add to the list is google voice. also does the above mentioned features.
Thanks for your suggestions everyone.
There is an issue with the suggestions though.
I live in Australia and all the options are for the US.
YouMail and PhoneFusion both need your voicmail to be diverted to them and GoogleVoice isnt here yet.
What I was thinking of is something that runs from your phone.
The App calls your pre defined Voicemail number and records the message and saves it to your phone.
Would work worldwide and you wouldnt need to change your voicemail details.
Anyway, just a thought
I understand what you're trying to say and from a developer standpoint, I can fill you in as to why it wouldnt work.
First, voicemail is like call forwarding. After your phone stops ringing, nothing is actually happening on your phone. The call is forwarded after a preset number of rings, or an action (like pressing the end key to ignore the call) to a voicemail server, which answers and records the message. At that point, your phone is completely out of the loop, so the idea of having it record to both the phone and the voicemail server is dead right there because it just cant be done. The way youmail, t-mobile vvm, google voice and phonefusion simulate this is by recording the message on their servers and then downloading it to your phone using your data connection.
Now, it would be possible to have your phone do the recording after a certain number of rings, like an answering machine, but it would be ridiculously process intensive because it would have to be running at all times. This would do two things:
1. slow down your phone considerably.
2. eat battery like you wouldnt believe.
And whats the point of having something like this if your phone is going to be dead all the time and unable to record messages anyway?
So yes, its possible, but not feasible. GV should be in australia soon, seeing as the wave development team is entirely based there. So keep your fingers crossed until then.
ok I wanted this app too, but you think too hard.
Disable provider voicemail.
After 10 rings, let phone pick up call and play message. Then a beep, and the phone starts recording.
No external voicemail server needed, just have an anwering machine application.
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Now, it would be possible to have your phone do the recording after a certain number of rings, like an answering machine, but it would be ridiculously process intensive because it would have to be running at all times. This would do two things:
1. slow down your phone considerably.
2. eat battery like you wouldnt believe.
And whats the point of having something like this if your phone is going to be dead all the time and unable to record messages anyway?
So yes, its possible, but not feasible.
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Why would slow your phone down so much? It could be service, not doing anything untill a call is recieved. If it rings too long it takes over.
It doesn't need to record all the time.
Try HulloMail
can't find HulloMail in the market
i also would like to have this "answering machine" app... and I also don't understand why this would slow down the phone, or eat up a lot of battery. as someone said already, it would run in the background (like "toggle settings" "missed call" and all the other services do) and just really start to work when a call comes in and it has to play a message and record the callers message.
the only downside (with which i can live) is certainly that the phone has to be switched on all the time, because off it couldn't record anything. for me that is no problem, i have a docking station at home and in the office, so when i am not running around, it is charged.
technically i see this as very feasible
i wonder whether devs shy away from this... because actually doing this is a major attack at the "revenue machine" of mobile operators, because - well - a local soft answering machine would take a huge amount of calling minutes away from the operators.
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First, voicemail is like call forwarding. After your phone stops ringing, nothing is actually happening on your phone. The call is forwarded after a preset number of rings, or an action (like pressing the end key to ignore the call) to a voicemail server, which answers and records the message. At that point, your phone is completely out of the loop, so the idea of having it record to both the phone and the voicemail server is dead right there because it just cant be done.
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Actually that's not exactly true. If you take a look in the Android Call Settings. Under GSM/CDMA Call Settings > Call Forwarding, you'll see that Call Forwarding when busy, unanswered and unreachable can all be disabled. It's possible one could write a program to catch the call after it rings X times, but I'm not sure if Android has that kind of hook in its API yet.
But as for it being impossible due to the forwarding, that's utterly false.
Quite simple.
Cancel the carrier answering service. (I hate the term "voicemail" -- everyone who uses it should be shot dead).
Have the program answer the phone after some defined number of rings and record it.
1) It would NOT slow down your phone.
2) It would NOT eat battery.
Don't know where that guy got the idea that it would... it WON'T.
when i call someone and that someone is on a call with another person, i should get a message saying that the person is on a call so that i'd know that he is busy with another call ..
Would appreciate if anyone can be of help here.
t_assal said:
when i call someone and that someone is on a call with another person, i should get a message saying that the person is on a call so that i'd know that he is busy with another call ..
Would appreciate if anyone can be of help here.
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Who says that you should receive a notice as to what the other person is doing when you call ?
t_assal said:
when i call someone and that someone is on a call with another person, i should get a message saying that the person is on a call so that i'd know that he is busy with another call ..
Would appreciate if anyone can be of help here.
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yes, but that doesn't have nothing to do with your phone. It's a provider's (vendor/operator) service. And only some of them support it
Actually @t_assal is correct, he meant if I call a guy who is calling someone else and this guy is activated the call waiting function, I have to get a message "waiting" and then you decide to continue disturbing him or to hang up.
Also @papo is correct that his is an operator thing.
But the problem that the operator send me back this waiting signal, and neither my iPhone nor my Nexus one shows this message, but my 10 years old Nokia show it. the same sim card used in the three phones for this test.
Which means the waiting signal which sent by the operator "maybe only Mr. t_assal's and mine" is not recognized by neither iPhone nor nexus1 (also winmo)
We need a solution
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Actually @t_assal is correct, he meant if I call a guy who is calling someone else and this guy is activated the call waiting function, I have to get a message "waiting" and the you decide to continue disturbing him or to hang up.
Also @papo is correct that his is an operator thing.
But the problem that the operator send me back this waiting signal, and neither my iPhone nor my Nexus one shows this message, but my 10 years old Nokia show it. the same sim card used in the three phones for this test.
Which means the waiting signal which sent by the operator (maybe only mine and t_assal's) is not recognized by iPhone nor nexus 1.
We need a solution
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we need to make clear about this. Just to make post short and spare my brain waves, I supposed (wrongly?) he messed it up and is referring to sms which called party get after finish his call.
That's the service I've wrote about.
It's handy if you are off, turn phone on and receive message from Bob, but it's automated and saying he tried to call and you can hit call back btn. In some countries/operators it's common.
Why would I want a message saying Bill is busy on call, 5 secs after I hear beep beep from the line? But yes that would be phone function and it's possible to handle. It's a network message, nokia is showing them by default (and can't be turned off!!!! :-S )
Make an application showing message such as this is possible and there could be one. Just what the purpose?
Though there is one useful info there. After active call ends, phone will receive network message containing code, which describes reason of ended call: red button by called, caller, lost reception (out of coverage or battery), network error, network busy
If you often make people angry over line and they hang on you, with this cell code you can have an monthly statistic of upset people or whatever you want. aah just cant see any reason to have this eather
run windows\fieldtest.exe and check it there, that's good enough.
sorry to hear ppl who thinks they know it all and says bull****..
The fact is clear, whe u call some one who has HIS call waiting service active UR phone MUST indicate U the other person call status. that's what call waiting means. usually "call on waiting.." or something, but STILL ringing and the othrer person hears some indicator beep or someting , and HE desides to take the call or not.
the bug is Iphone 3gs, 4g (and nexus aparently) don't show this message "call waiting" like ALL other phones, in my case, OMNIA II, nokia, (with the same SIM card) shows the msg.
please don't coment if u dont know and PLEASE lowercase and regular font. NOOBS.
sorry for my bad english.
sorry to hear ppl who thinks they know it all and says bullSt.. the fact is clear, whe u call some one who has HIS call waiting service active UR phone MUST indicate U the other person call status. thas what call waiting means. usually "call on waiting.." or something, but STILL ringing and the othrer person listen some indicator beep or someting and he desides to take the call or not.
the bug is Iphone 3gs, 4g (and nexus) don't show this message "call waiting" like ALL other phones, in my case, OMNIA II, (with the same SIM card) shows the msg.
please don't coment if u dont know and PLEASE lowercase and regular font. NOOBS.
satanm said:
sorry to hear ppl who thinks they know it all and says bullSt.. the fact is clear, whe u call some one who has HIS call waiting service active UR phone MUST indicate U the other person call status. thas what call waiting means. usually "call on waiting.." or something, but STILL ringing and the othrer person listen some indicator beep or someting and he desides to take the call or not.
the bug is Iphone 3gs, 4g (and nexus) don't show this message "call waiting" like ALL other phones, in my case, OMNIA II, (with the same SIM card) shows the msg.
please don't coment if u dont know and PLEASE lowercase and regular font. NOOBS.
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Who's the noob? You double posted and no this isn't a fact, I've never had a phone tell me when someone is on a call. There are some carriers that have a tone at the end of the ring to let you know they are on another call..
I think you are confusing your words, your phone should alert you (the person getting the call) that someone is calling you while on another line, it's not the other way..
Provide some info stating other wise that isn't half ass typed like the **** you are posting.
Yes it's true I had this problem since i started using PDA phones only (HTC Mda compact, then HTC Tytn 2 and the HTC HD2), I think problem only exists when using PDA phones because ''call waiting'' function is working on my all other symbian phones like (Samsung, Nokia, .... with symbian)
It might be with Windows mobile phones not sure, but don't know if there is any fixing for this specially for HTC HD2 ..
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This is one thing I liked in my old Sprint phone. When I get an incoming call (or make an outgoing call), the phone would show the state, and sometimes the city, of the area code. Like it would say 'Texas' for 214. This occurs regardless of whether the number is stored in the phonebook or not.
My question is, is there an app, or can a feature like this be implemented? Any assistance on implementation will be appreciated.
I believe that I have seen an application like this on the Market, but I couldn't tell you the name right now since my Nexus is getting it's power button replaced.
I'll comment back if I can find it again once I get my phone back...