Where did u buy ? How much ?
Are u happy ?
thanks
Still No one -? Really , heard that it is availble in Taiwan already?
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I have it!
Where did you buy it from in Australia?
walshieau, can you check on your phone the GSM and UMTS bands supports?
The (pre-release) device on the coolsmartphone review shows it seems to support all 5 UMTS bands I wonder if thats just because its a test build (and doesnt have the antennas) and if thats true in the final release one.
I guess its really important to know for all the US guys. This may actually be the best phone that works on t-mobile in the USA.
I'd say it's a configuration problem on the test build, but life is pretty gloomy without hope.
Me too, i cant see them putting in an antenna that can handle all those frequencies without compramising on reception. But hey i'm in the UK and i dont care that much
Wooo...Me too.
Maybe HTC have sort of given up on America, because that's the iPhone's home turf, so to speak.
ive never been without signal on any phone, that i can remember, except at the jjb stadium on sunday the 11th of may, might have been cell overload from all the united fans calling chelsea fans and laughing
Hehe. I can often get a signal in the Emirates Stadium, but the networks are still overloaded sometimes.
In random places in Ireland, such as the Castlegregory perninsula, the signal can get a bit dodgy. I think the only network that perninsula has is Vodafone.
For big events like concerts etc they bring in picocells to add capacity. I dont know if they bother for football games.
Basically a cell can handle a limited number of calls (the exact number depends on how many frequencies they use of that cell). So to increase call capacity per sq mile, they just use more cells but make them smaller. That works for densly populated events like football games, concerts etc, where you can have cells that cover only 10 meters.
In fact all along oxford street you have these piconodes every 10 meters or so to handle the capacity!
Anyway.. getting reception != being able to make a call. The cell may be too overloaded to make calls, but it should still let you register if no better alternative cell is available. The amount of cell phones that would need to be on the cell to overload to a point it can't let you register is huge.
So if you don't have reception that generally means there isnt a strong enough signal.
wow, i was just trying to be funny... and relive one of the best days of my life... but it was on my p1i and i think it was on 3g only. and i dont think theres a need for 3g in wigan..
lol
just thought you might be interested
I used to work in that field a while ago.
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For big events like concerts etc they bring in picocells to add capacity. I dont know if they bother for football games.
Basically a cell can handle a limited number of calls (the exact number depends on how many frequencies they use of that cell). So to increase call capacity per sq mile, they just use more cells but make them smaller. That works for densly populated events like football games, concerts etc, where you can have cells that cover only 10 meters.
In fact all along oxford street you have these piconodes every 10 meters or so to handle the capacity!
Anyway.. getting reception != being able to make a call. The cell may be too overloaded to make calls, but it should still let you register if no better alternative cell is available. The amount of cell phones that would need to be on the cell to overload to a point it can't let you register is huge.
So if you don't have reception that generally means there isnt a strong enough signal.
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Wow. That's more random knowledge I'm going to quote when the opportune moment arises.
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just thought you might be interested
I used to work in that field a while ago.
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fair enough. i thought it might give me more of a chance to laugh at chelsea fans.
but where are the cell piconodes on oxford street? like in lampposts or something? and ar they at tottenham court road? because i might look for them when i get my diamond there
actually they're disguised in lots of ways. I'm not sure exactly what they use on oxford street but here's a quick google of some strange ones:
dead tree
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/phot2k25.htm
Micronode/Piconode
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/PIC00026.htm
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/sark_microcell.jpg
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/PIC00037.htm
fake tree
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/tree_pair2.jpg
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/tree_pair.jpg
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/alan_dick_orange_tree.jpg
real tree:
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/orange_tree.jpg
anyway now i feel like some wierd train (err mast) spotter lol
wow. now u say about th piconodes, theyre the kinda thing i see on lampposts and think wtf...
lol
haha yeah.. more importantly tho don't try to climb one of those tree's... from your signature you must be young.. u don't wanna be neutered
Oh, so that's what those things are. I see them quite often, but I could never work out what they were.
That's all of the government conspiracy theories gone then...
hehe yeah.. but also look out for small half hexagon kinda shaped things on the side of lamposts.. they're cameras! You see them in dodgy areas.
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I recently bought an ETEN M500 because of the announcement that it would be upgradable to WM2005 and the size of the device. The extra software on the M500 is nothing short of amazing. Never have I seen a pocket pc with so many apps out of the box. I did not have to install SPB Pocket Plus, Pocket Zen or Voice Command. It had similar programs already. And voice dial over bluetooth, WOW, it's about time. So why am I returning to the XDA II. Signal strength. The M500 has horrible reception, I get 4 bars in my house with my XDA II. The M500 couldn't get a signal without me walking outside, not even in the garage with the door open, I had to be outside away from any trees in the open. Yeah, crazy. Maybe they should have spend less time on the apps and focused on building an adequate phone first. None of that matters if you can't use the thing. I also note, even when it showed full bars, the voice of the other person would break in and out. Using my HS820 with the XDA II no one can even tell I am using a headset. Using it with the ETEN, the first thing I heard from everyone was, " what the hell is wrong with your phone". Maybe I just got a defecto, but that would be a reason to keep away as well.
o...is it really a bad machines? How much u paid for it???
I was in the same boat kermit780, but the M500s still a very good device and theres no way in hell I'd go back to a present mda/xda/imate-type product.
This phone was not made with North America in mind (yet) so there are obvious frequency issues- particularly with the 1900mhz range. Eten is on the ball when it comes to issue with this product though. If not the upcoming firmware upgrade, I'm sure the next one will have some sort of radio fix. I'm trying to sell one right now- the primary reason being I needed something with qwerty. The lack of signal as annoying as it was- only secondary because I know it will be a fix to that soon enough.
And no I wouldn't buy a pda2k for that. Its not the size issue- I like going throgh these forums to see whats new out there...not to spend 3+ hours a day searching for a "hack" for something or other. Down right embarassing the amount of money spent on htc phones and the guy standing next to me on the subway with his $200 americanized crap technology Isn't so crap after all because it actually does (did) more than my mda2.
Just my opinion though...M500s a very, very good phone. It will be a great phone once the frequency issue is resolved but doesn't matter if you're not in N American anyway.
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let me start of by saying that thanks to everyone that has left, inquired about or done something on this site to help others in customizing their phones beyond what is normally acceptable. and to the women of the men that have to deal with the guys tinkering around with their phones all day and ignoring you. lol. that being said, i have a few questions that i think after searching this website for almost a year i dont think anyone has targetted. as the title states, what do you think it is. is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off? i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower. 3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing. now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration. i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots. i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw. now after doing some research and lots n lots of playing around with windows phones (going on 5 years) and finding out the downfalls of windows mobile, i am completely willing to accept those downfalls and still wanna use it on a day to day basis. hands down there isn't another OS as open to doing what you want, having the information you want in a efficient way. call me a fanboy but windows still has a hand up in the game even though it still looks like crap and the big 800 pound gorilla that is MS isn't willing to conform to anyone else's standard and make their OS look pretty. its about functionality and to the smart user thats where its at. i have also read a lot on qualcomm and this issue of drivers and performance and how devices that are almost pre historic are running better emulators, videos and the such without any luck on getting performance on the device. okay now that i have written a novel and most of you will be asleep by the time you read this, i need some honest opinions. really what i'm trying to do is figure out where to point the finger. or maybe by having enough ppl ***** about the same problem we might have someone look into better technology that is not only practical but is also reliable. not just one of the two.
thanks to all that got this far. lol
frustrated.
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
I am sure what you say is interesting, but franky I try to read your post and lost it after three lines. TBH, the first thought I had when seeing your post was to close the firefox tab ...
If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
And I don't mean to be rude, I just want to help you get more people to read ...
thanks for moving
I am not sure what you are asking...or telling?
yasserwaqas said:
is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off?
i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower.
3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing.
now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration.
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw.
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I have split out the key points so this is a bit easier to read,
my first thought was to say its either a hardware fault or you need to upgrade your radio, however I then saw this part of your post....
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
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surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area?
it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.
Ril
I have similar AT&Tcoverage issues in my house, but when I have a strong signal, the phone works fine. No dropped calls or lost connections.
If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good. One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not. This is why I chose AT&T, but my coverage is so spotty in Charlotte, I wish I had gone with Verizon. The simultaneous feature seemed important, but in practice, I am not sure I have ever needed it.
The only other challenge with Verizon is that you have to use their phone. You cannot get your own and drop in a SIM card. This limits your ability to waste time and money chasing the latest and greatest hardware which is kind of a bummer.
Good Luck.
Doug M.
lets do this.....
Why dont you...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireles why you didnt found the answer yet...?
Maybe you can test this... dissassembly your oldest device... phone or whatever symbian, iphone whatever!!! every device gots the anthenna like a green ribbon inside the phone housing, if the phone's MotherBoard has a contact conector try to unplug the ribbon from the housing then connect it and see where does the phone gets the signal strenght enough as you wish, see all around maybe there is a big metal structure or big building and far repetition anthenas or behind.
As you must know
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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In some parts of the country has great signal or bad signal streght because of many natural things, like magnetism, surface, and weather.
Ask to your neightbor if he gets the same issue on his phone... dude... get out of there if the device lost completly the signal.
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One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not.
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Actually I'm pretty sure Verizon will also support simultaneous voice and data connections. I also regrett picking at&t because coverage is so much better where I live (charlotte as well) but then I think about how verizon tends to cripple their phones and the whole locked to cdma carriers thing. For example when the vz touch pro first came out, the gps was locked to only their gps software so no tom tom or google maps and they also cut the ram down to 192.
I think its just your area
sorry bout the post in the wrong place n thank you for moving it. for you that couldn't understand what this post was about, this was really an attempt to c if anyone else is having these problems. are they due to technology limitations or am i just expecting too much.
i will address the replies one by one, atleast the ones that had somethign useful to say.
r4st4m4n'--- If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
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(wut does that mean)???
blackc5 ---i am not sure what you are asking...or telling?
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hahaha....read my friend read.
Ril --- surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area? it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.---
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thank u for splitting up my points. this is probably why my english grades were never betta than a C. as far as ur point on network issues. definately a good possiblity although at&t techs have been in the area to test connections and coverage with no luck.
we use a code with agent plans that gives the "network support team" a msg saying there is an issue with a specific tower. waiting on getting this code and sending them a bunch of "*#" requests. lol.
dwmackay ---If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good
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i wouldn't consider verizon cuz of the cdma thing. i know i know, call me picky but i do travel internationally (not that much) but still. and there is no way i wanna pay roaming charges to fill the pockets of some big wig.
+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
DrzNight --- about voice n data
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i think its a 3g thing. voice and data simultaneously, have tried to do it on other gsm phones that were edge and wouldnt' allow.
dnieman13---I think its just YOU...
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haha. n finally i think ur rite. it prolly is me.
Mmmm maybe....
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+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
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So as you work in wireless, the meaning of "i think its yours" is like this...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Stay cool dude if you ask for something read too... in just tellin you that you may live in an area with issues on signal... agian... ask to your neighbor maybe he gots the signal strenght low.
Oh yeap, I just laugh on faces when the question is wrong applied and sounds so bad, bad enough to think that person is a jerk, but if you ask correctly your answer always comes clearly.
keep it up dude!
okay let me respond to that ppc.
i'm sorry if i came across as rude. wasn't my intent, i was just telling you what you had said.
and yes i have tried having three different carriers,(at&t, t-mobile n verizon) numerous different phones and in and around my house i'm just getting horrible service. matter of fact, the only i have not tried is sprint, and again due to the limitations of that network i just rather not go there. i can't just up and move out of my house and having cell phone coverage is HIGHLY important. guess i'll just have to wait on the femto cells at&t is promising before the end of the year...
Worth noting this one, not really out for the dream yet, more of something to look forward to.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan -- at least for rerouting (if you stay on route, it uses cache), which is the most important use-case for GPS nav.
Official post by Google including pictures and videos: http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/index.html#p=default
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Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan
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If you don't have a dataplan (or some other way to give your phone internet connectivity) there's no way Google Navigation will be able to perform voice search, street view, real-time traffic, or anything else that differentiates this from a standard nav device or nav software.
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if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lamo
and +1
im just waiting to read about how our wonderful dream wont be able to run 2.0
once again, F*** verizon and the horse they rode in on. Tmo shoulda done everything possible to get the moto droid.
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if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lol words right out of my mouth..
aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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Exactly i was just trying to be good and keep my mouth shut
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
So whats a guy gotta do to get this navigation on his g1? i have no patience!! we need this app!!
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I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....
after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.
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While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!
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I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....
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Ditto here....use and was happy with CoPilot, however, have said on here and other forums that Google simply needed to man-up and take that last step to provide realtime navigation and they'd put everyone else out of the market.
Looks like that just happened.
However, I will be keeping CoPilot as I do often travel into areas with *zero* coverage. Driving between north Edwards AFB, CA and Las Vegas at night is a bit hair raising. No signals out there, much less even EDGE.
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after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.
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Or you could say that their stocks were overvalued to begin with? This is competition at its finest, if you ask me.
They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...
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Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!
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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
aad4321 said:
yeah, i have that...but i mean come on...its google....ITS GOOGLE! im sure its going to be amazing.
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True True and native and free (relatively speaking) is always better
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they have 3G in lancaster now lol...
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I saw that they have Lancaster listed as a 3g area on their coverage map but I still have yet to find it...the ever elusive 3g! I get pretty good edge when Im out and about though so Im not really complaining. I would just love to have 3g while Im in bed for those... "I wonder..." moments.
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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
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Sorry to hear that..don't run into any horse-drawn carriages out there..lol
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While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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TeleNav does just fine on GPRS. With the map caching, I don't see where TMO's network would make navigation in Google Maps an issue. As long as you're not using satellite view, or zoomed waayy out, I doubt it'll be much different (bandwidth-wise) from TeleNav.
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They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...
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Hehe, well, to be fair, turn-by-turn navigation as a whole is pretty useless for any area without roads or places to go. We still have our compasses, though...
I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of this. I'm extremely excited. Not only is this a free, seemingly top-quality GPS app, but it's tied into the phone quite nicely, and it's way more innovative than anything Garmin or TomTom have put out, ever.
I am a pilot.. Usually my signal fades out around 2000feet or so. This seems to be worse with T-Mobile. I flew with a guy who had an iphone on att and it worked fairly well at 9,00ft. I had a CDMA phone a few years ago and it would work at very high altitudes 30,000ft plus. Nowadays, I usually cruise at less than 10,000ft, but I still have no service.
It seems to me that I should get better service at altitude, but this is not the case..It seems like one might have the same problem at high altitude in mountainous regions... .I have googled this for years but never found the answer... I was hoping someone on here might be able to answer my question: Why does my cell phone signal drop out at altitude? (I understand this :http://ashsd.afacwa.org/print_article.cfm?homeID=17917 but I am on a private aircraft) I understand the rules, but they don't explain the loss of signal...
I hope this is the right place to post this and thanks for your help!
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I am a pilot.. Usually my signal fades out around 2000feet or so. This seems to be worse with T-Mobile. I flew with a guy who had an iphone on att and it worked fairly well at 9,00ft. I had a CDMA phone a few years ago and it would work at very high altitudes 30,000ft plus. Nowadays, I usually cruise at less than 10,000ft, but I still have no service.
It seems to me that I should get better service at altitude, but this is not the case..It seems like one might have the same problem at high altitude in mountainous regions... .I have googled this for years but never found the answer... I was hoping someone on here might be able to answer my question: Why does my cell phone signal drop out at altitude? (I understand this :http://ashsd.afacwa.org/print_article.cfm?homeID=17917 but I am on a private aircraft) I understand the rules, but they don't explain the loss of signal...
I hope this is the right place to post this and thanks for your help!
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I believe that most cell sites work by line of site. If you are above them then I can see this happening. Besides, cell sites have a limited range anyway. Going straight up... who knows. But I only put my phone on Airplane mode while on flights and turned it on once (feeling rebellious) and had no signal. Of course I wasn't really surprised. Besides, cell towers have to hand off the signal from one tower to another to prevent dropped calls. If your travelling at 300+ mph I can see how that might complicate things as well. But these are just my own theories. CDMA signal is possibly more powerful than GSM. I've been out of the game for a while but again... it's just a theory.
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I believe that most cell sites work by line of site. If you are above them then I can see this happening. Besides, cell sites have a limited range anyway. Going straight up... who knows. But I only put my phone on Airplane mode while on flights and turned it on once (feeling rebellious) and had no signal. Of course I wasn't really surprised. Besides, cell towers have to hand off the signal from one tower to another to prevent dropped calls. If your travelling at 300+ mph I can see how that might complicate things as well. But these are just my own theories. CDMA signal is possibly more powerful than GSM. I've been out of the game for a while but again... it's just a theory.
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Sure...but I am usually less than 2 miles high and usually under 200MPH..Signal usually goes out when climbing out at under 150mph...
Thanks for your reply....
I was told a few years ago that it's the association with cell towers being the problem.
If you are going over them at 150mph+ its going to struggle to keep a decent signal....
Although i can confirm satelitte phones do not have this problem (neither does GPS tracking)
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I was told a few years ago that it's the association with cell towers being the problem.
If you are going over them at 150mph+ its going to struggle to keep a decent signal....
Although i can confirm satelitte phones do not have this problem (neither does GPS tracking)
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I suppose I should have also stated that the same thing happens when I climb into a strong headwind and travel over the ground at 100mph or less..does not seem to be speed dependent..
I know this thread is kinda old.. but I am still wondering..
I don't think it was anything to do with speed.. I could do very tight circles in the plane and still have the same results....
Just guesswork here, but it could have a lot to do with antenna design. In a prior life I had to design a couple of wireless WANs and found a wide variety of dispersal patterns available in different kinds of antenna. By restricting the pattern you can concentrate all your available power in any particular direction. I'm guessing they narrow the vertical dispersion to get more effective signal strength horizontally. Don't know if that's actually the case, but it sounds good to me.
hxxp://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/13/iphone.4.duct.tape/index.html?hpt=C1
Look's like we win in the style category as well.
Muahahahaha! ROFLAO!!!
...and still people are desperatly wanting this phone. Is obvious that Apple iPhones are fashion gadgets..
I told you, Duct tape fixes EVERYTHING!!!
It's funny because I first heard of this in an article where they declared the iPhone 4 the best smartphone available today except they couldn't recommend buying it because it had a very very bad reception problem!?!?!
The best part was in the comments where everyone says, "iPhone pwns! U can fix teh receptoin probs with tape"
Seriously?
If I had to resort that low just to make my PHONE work... I would take it back. Apple needs to do a recall before they get themselves into serious trouble. It's defective right out of the box and that's pretty sad.
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
I did it on both my co-workers phone and the signal died completely after about 4 seconds.
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I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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The problem is real, and it's just as bad as they're making it seem. I bought an iPhone 4 on launch day to replace my aging 3G. I had seriously considered a Nexus One, but the gyro, front camera and absurdly high res display convinced me to stick with iPhone. I had the phone for 2 weeks before I returned it and got a Nexus One to replace it and I couldn't be happier.
I returned it pretty much entirely because of the antenna issue, which I will try to describe for you. For what follows I'm referring to placing a single finger over the left corner and not touching the phone in any other way.
If you're in a strong signal area, you won't notice a thing and it's not at all an issue. If you're in an average or weak signal area (not 5 bars to start with, or barely 5 bars) then you'll lose signal almost entirely. At my house when I went from phone on table untouched to phone on table with one finger on the lower left, my SpeedTest went from ~1Mbps to not being able to ping out. Audio was identical, as I shifted my finger on the left of the phone I could on command make the audio drop out on calls, and then the call itself if I left if for long enough.
Apple has a serious problem on their hands, and their refusing to admit it has me, along with a lot of other people, quite annoyed. If they'd have offered me a free bumper I'd probably have kept the phone, but they didn't and claimed there wasn't a problem, so I'm a Nexus One owner now.
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I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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Yeah this is the same thing my brother who owns an iPhone 4 keeps saying. Meanwhile, he's dropped at least 20 calls on me since he got it and he always blames ATT. Yesterday he said it dropped because he was in a mall. I guess the iPhone 4 can't make calls in malls now....?
I thought this all was funny at first but at this point I loathe talking to him when he's using his iPhone 4 anymore. Wish he'd just go back to his damn 3GS
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I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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It only happens when you are in a medium to low signal area. Just today I went to the ATT store here, and all 4 iPhones went from 5 bars to zero when I touched the lower left spot. Signal was around -80 dBm in the store. All iPhones have this design flaw, just depends on how strong the network around you is.
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I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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What you are misunderstanding is that this issue does NOT automatically drop the reception to 0. The actual issue is that it reduces the signal by 20 dB.
If you are in absolutely perfect and strong reception, a 20 dB drop will be unnoticeable. This is why you and those other people say they "don't have this problem". You are just in an area with strong reception.
Not everyone is as lucky.
The ONLY way to know for sure is to use an app similar to the one Engadget uses: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-confirms-iphone-4-antenna-problems-and-so-do/
Care to make a video of the signal not dropping even a single dB when gripping it like they do?
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I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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I walked into a room full of iphones after release day at college. I showed them how to 'magically' hang up on someone without doing anything but holding the phone :')
Trust me, it affects ALL iphone 4s.
brb getting a new iphone and rewriting jokes so the punchline is "iphone"
A bear walks into a bar in a mall in sioux falls. The bartender is talking on his new iphone and the bear says "Gimme your iphone"
and the bartender says "I'm sorry, but we don't let bears make calls in the malls in sioux falls"
The bear says "Gimme your iphone or Im gonna eat that girl at the end of the bar"
The bartender says "I'm sorry, but we don't let bears make calls in the malls in sioux falls"
So the bear eats a girl at the end of the bar and says "Now give me your iphone or I'm going to eat you."
the bartender says "we don't give phones to drug addict bears"
the bear says "what do you mean, drug addict?"
the bartender says "that girl at the end of the bar - that was a bar-*****-u-ate"
Why are there so much iphone thread in the Nexus One forum again?
Discuss this somewhere else.
What the hell is up with all of the iphone posts here? Who cares, go post in General or something.
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I just saw a new iPhone 4 commercial.
A Dad is trying to get his daughter to smile over facetime...so sweet hey.
Hes holding the phone in his right hand with no contact on the bottom left corner....too funny.