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I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
TMO is in big mess because governmental agencies are refusing to vacate the 1700MHz as quick as TMO wants ( Homeland security ). their 3G network will be delayed and their GSM net will suffer because they lack the spectrum. Their 3G testing in NJ/NY was halted because of inteference!!
Mog said:
I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
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MDA and WING are not 3G phones. 1700 was won in a bidding about year and half ago.
yozh said:
MDA and WING are not 3G phones. 1700 was won in a bidding about year and half ago.
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correct it was won a year and a half ago. but there is some governmental law that says each user has 10 years to vacate that band 1700. its just a matter of time before tmobile starts paying people to get off their newly purchased network.
also about the comment of the mda and the wing... yes I know that they are not 3g compatable but I think there are quite a few 8525 unlocked tmobile users on this site like me. and I think there are quite a few that have tmobile that will be buying a phone (kaiser) soon that will cost a couple hundred dollars. I'm just here to warn them... this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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I can kinda attest to that myself...
A few years ago I purchased the wonderful Moto V525 unlocked and Voda branded. Popped in my Tmobile SIM and worked like a charm, with the exception of downloads. While on a tmobile branded V300 the same download would take say 30 seconds, in mine, by then unbranded and flashed a million times, would take maybe 20-30 seconds longer.
Granted, this is no indication of anything... I have a Tmobile branded Wizard that has been flashed to death with all kinds of home cooked releases and the EDGE speeds I get are just fine.
austin_boy said:
TMO is in big mess because governmental agencies are refusing to vacate the 1700MHz as quick as TMO wants ( Homeland security ). their 3G network will be delayed and their GSM net will suffer because they lack the spectrum. Their 3G testing in NJ/NY was halted because of inteference!!
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What an F..ing crock!
One government agency sells the spectrum, FCC and another will not vacate the freqs!? Yeeeeeeeesh!
haha yea... ditto
mmeyer4663 said:
What an F..ing crock!
One government agency sells the spectrum, FCC and another will not vacate the freqs!? Yeeeeeeeesh!
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yea bush admin are being assholes... crap... can we cuss in this forum? i forget...
but eh, its pretty stupid to me, the government themselves have the rules that current band users have 10 years, of course they are gonna leech on it as long as they can, or at least until this war is over... who am i kidding this war wont end til hes out of office lol.
lmfao look i found the count down, when tmobile will have full rights to their new band. HAHAHA!
http://www.howlonguntilbushisgone.com/
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yea bush admin are being assholes... crap... can we cuss in this forum? i forget...
but eh, its pretty stupid to me, the government themselves have the rules that current band users have 10 years, of course they are gonna leech on it as long as they can, or at least until this war is over... who am i kidding this war wont end til hes out of office lol.
lmfao look i found the count down, when tmobile will have full rights to their new band. HAHAHA!
http://www.howlonguntilbushisgone.com/
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Yeah. Sorry about my tantrum.
I have to deal with the actions of the FCC all of the time. I work in the cableTV industry. Kevin Martin HATES us!
The FCC whines about monopolies, level playing field, innovation and all of the other FUN buzz words and then they pull a major (*@#&(*&#@(*&$ like this!
Really gripes my cookies!
And to all of the folks out there that want to give th government more control over their lives so that they don't have to deal with the challenges, let this kind of mis-management of resources be a lesson.
Ok, off the soapbox and back to the technology!
Mog said:
I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
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this may not be right, but here on xda-developers, if you go to the htc titan section, they also refer it to the mogul, 6800, and vario III?
so the Vario III might not be the kaiser.
Totally incorrect
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Totally incorrect
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well i was just saying what i spoted here on the forum. should that be fixed then?
So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
Mog said:
correct it was won a year and a half ago. but there is some governmental law that says each user has 10 years to vacate that band 1700. its just a matter of time before tmobile starts paying people to get off their newly purchased network.
also about the comment of the mda and the wing... yes I know that they are not 3g compatable but I think there are quite a few 8525 unlocked tmobile users on this site like me. and I think there are quite a few that have tmobile that will be buying a phone (kaiser) soon that will cost a couple hundred dollars. I'm just here to warn them... this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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Mog,
Since you mentioned Tmobile and unlock 8525, I was wondering what WM6 ROMs (Cooked or HTC Released) is the most stable, compatible with this network. I too have an AT&T 8525, SuperCID / SIM unlock that I use for Tmobile (USA) network. But all the stuff that I have read in most threads are optimize for AT&T.
Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
I just wanted to know your feedback as well as other Tmobile users out there who uses 8525 or similar phone, which WM6 ROM would be best for our situation. Any input or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks all
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Mog,
Since you mentioned Tmobile and unlock 8525, I was wondering what WM6 ROMs (Cooked or HTC Released) is the most stable, compatible with this network. I too have an AT&T 8525, SuperCID / SIM unlock that I use for Tmobile (USA) network. But all the stuff that I have read in most threads are optimize for AT&T.
Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
I just wanted to know your feedback as well as other Tmobile users out there who uses 8525 or similar phone, which WM6 ROM would be best for our situation. Any input or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks all
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So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
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Well go to the Hermes WM6 board, there was one just released on the 17th or 18th i believe. V3gp or something like that, I believe that would be the most stable because it is the closest thing we got to the WM6 8525 official ROM update. I myself am dealing with WM5 currently, I'll just wait for the official release which "should" be fairly soon.
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So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
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I dont believe so, for hotspot at home to work you not only need the wifi capability you need some other program to be able to switch from wifi to normal satellite, but im not saying someone will re-release it themselves. We got alot of smart programmers on this website
6800/Mogul is a CDMA phone vs Kaiser a GSM phone.
Wow we got a bunch of idiots on this forum
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Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
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Phones aren't "optimized" for any network, they either have the bands it needs or they do not.
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I dont believe so, for hotspot at home to work you not only need the wifi capability you need some other program to be able to switch from wifi to normal satellite, but im not saying someone will re-release it themselves. We got alot of smart programmers on this website
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Cell phones do not use satellite, they use radio towers
1700???
I'm pretty sure they pruchased the 2100mhz band that would support video
800mhz old skewl
850mhz old skewl
1800mhz Edge\GPRS
1900mhz Edge\GPRS
2100mhz 3G-Video
1900mhz 3G-HSDPA
1700mhz\2100mhz T-Mobile 3G-not sure if it is hsdpa
Not positive why the T-mob rep told ya 1700mhz cause they purchaes they also purchased 2100MHZ frequency.
sandrobber said:
I'm pretty sure they pruchased the 2100mhz band that would support video
800mhz old skewl
850mhz old skewl
1800mhz Edge\GPRS
1900mhz Edge\GPRS
2100mhz 3G-Video
1900mhz 3G-HSDPA
1700mhz\2100mhz T-Mobile 3G-not sure if it is hsdpa
Not positive why the T-mob rep told ya 1700mhz cause they purchaes they also purchased 2100MHZ frequency.
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Once again, incorrect information.
It doesn't matter the band, ANYTHING can be put on any band.
T-Mobile bought the 1700MHz band to put their 3G on.
They can offer 2-way video just like every other 3G carrier, or they could do like AT&T and offer 1-way or they could not offer video at all if they wanted.
Its up to them
This thread was started with incorrect information and continues to get posts as such. Since this is just confusing more people than helping, I'm closing the thread.
Sprint Diamond is on the horizon as is the unlocked 3G US version.
I need some advice or opinions. Do I go to Sprint or is unlocked better?
I am thinking of Sprint because of Sprint TV and Sprint Navigator being built in although I do have Tomtom software and I do have a Slingplayer.
What do you think? Is it a better idea to have unlocked?
Thank you for your thoughts.
Darrin
elwuero said:
Sprint Diamond is on the horizon as is the unlocked 3G US version.
I need some advice or opinions. Do I go to Sprint or is unlocked better?
I am thinking of Sprint because of Sprint TV and Sprint Navigator being built in although I do have Tomtom software and I do have a Slingplayer.
What do you think? Is it a better idea to have unlocked?
Thank you for your thoughts.
Darrin
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Not sure if i understand your question correctly, but here goes.
The Sprint Diamond is CDMA. The unlocked 3G US version is GSM. Therefore if you have Sprint/Verizon the CDMA Diamond is your only choice. If you have a GSM carrier (phone has SIM card ie AT&T, T-Mobile, etc.) then the unlocked 3G version is the way to go.
If you haven't choosen a carrier yet and want to know whether to go with CDMA (Sprint/Verizon) or GSM (everyone else) then a lot of factors come into play. I switched from AT&T to Sprint recently because I got on the Sero plan, the cost was too good to pass up, Sero it's probably the best plan available. I found Sprint TV somewhat useless since the quality isn't that great, the lineup was mediocre, and 99% of the time if i have the time to actually watch tv then i'm in a place that has a full size tv. Sprint Navigator is completely useless cause they'll probably try to charge you monthly for it even though the phone already has built in GPS, TomTom/Live Search/Google Maps are much better alternatives. Assuming reception is the same with all carriers in your area the only major downside i found with leaving GSM is the limited selection of phones. On Sprint/Verizon you are pretty much stuck with the phones they offer, whereas with GSM carriers as long as the phone supports the appropriate bands and is unlocked you can pop in your sim card and go which opens the door to european and asian phones.
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Not sure if i understand your question correctly, but here goes.
The Sprint Diamond is CDMA. The unlocked 3G US version is GSM. Therefore if you have Sprint/Verizon the CDMA Diamond is your only choice. If you have a GSM carrier (phone has SIM card ie AT&T, T-Mobile, etc.) then the unlocked 3G version is the way to go.
If you haven't choosen a carrier yet and want to know whether to go with CDMA (Sprint/Verizon) or GSM (everyone else) then a lot of factors come into play. I switched from AT&T to Sprint recently because I got on the Sero plan, the cost was too good to pass up, Sero it's probably the best plan available. I found Sprint TV somewhat useless since the quality isn't that great, the lineup was mediocre, and 99% of the time if i have the time to actually watch tv then i'm in a place that has a full size tv. Sprint Navigator is completely useless cause they'll probably try to charge you monthly for it even though the phone already has built in GPS, TomTom/Live Search/Google Maps are much better alternatives. Assuming reception is the same with all carriers in your area the only major downside i found with leaving GSM is the limited selection of phones. On Sprint/Verizon you are pretty much stuck with the phones they offer, whereas with GSM carriers as long as the phone supports the appropriate bands and is unlocked you can pop in your sim card and go which opens the door to european and asian phones.
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I really appreciate the time you put into that response. I have ATT but can easily switch to Sprint. I have long travel times daily and will take advantage of the TV on my phone but as I said I do have a Slingbox.
I have noticed a lot of G-Sensor apps dont work on the CDMA Telus version so my guess is they might not initially on the Sprint version. I also think your point about having more choices in phones by being on GSM makes a lot of sense. Thank you again - your thoughts are well taken and I know it took you time to express it.
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I really appreciate the time you put into that response. I have ATT but can easily switch to Sprint. I have long travel times daily and will take advantage of the TV on my phone but as I said I do have a Slingbox.
I have noticed a lot of G-Sensor apps dont work on the CDMA Telus version so my guess is they might not initially on the Sprint version. I also think your point about having more choices in phones by being on GSM makes a lot of sense. Thank you again - your thoughts are well taken and I know it took you time to express it.
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If you're satisfied with your plan then i'd just stay with ATT. You'd probably get more use out of Slingbox than Sprint TV, plus you can always load vids onto storage memory. And being able to upgrade whenever you want really comes in handy with the way HTC keeps updating their phone lineup about every 6 months.
Hi guys and gals, we just got our hands on the unlocked GSM version of the Touch Diamond for the US, with US (err, AT&T) 3G. Here's my first look: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/US-3G-HTC-Touch-Diamond.htm .
It has 850/1900MHz HSDPA, and is quad band GSM. Short summary: no front-facing camera, matte back and bigger battery.
- Lisa
Has anyone been able to confirm whether the DIAM100 has hardware that can support the US/AT&T 3G?
nice, thats awesome!
No, the US version is the DIAM110, the DIAM100 won't do US 3G.
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Has anyone been able to confirm whether the DIAM100 has hardware that can support the US/AT&T 3G?
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Sigh.. A different version (DIAM110) really breaks my last hope. I am sure many of us were misled to purchase the non-US model; with chaotic origins from India, Europe, HK, etc, without knowing (1) the claimed 3G couldn't be ued in the US and (2) a US model would come as we are seeing now .. Or is it just my ignorance and mistake? .. Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110.. My first and last purchase with HTC for sure.
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Sigh.. I am sure many of us were misled to purchase the non-US model; with chaotic origins from India, Europe, HK, etc, without knowing (1) the claimed 3G couldn't be ued in the US and (2) a US model as we are seeing now will come at a later date.. Or is it just my ignorance and mistake? .. Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110..
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Unfortunately it was a known fact that the Diamonds sold prior to the actual US release were not intended for the US and the specifications clearly showed (htc.com) that it was not US 3G capable. Problem is there are so many bad resellers that will tell you anything to get you to buy from them. I also have noticed that a lot of the on-line resellers dont list the correct information for all phones however HTC is not at fault for that.
And at the original launch of the Diamond in London back in June, HTC did state that a US version would follow in a few months. We posted that in our news section at the time. Of course, given the often long lag before we see a US version, many folks were skeptical it would really come this soon.
I would love to be directed to any statement on the htc.com website that clearly told the visitors that the Touch Diamond doesn't have 3G in the US.. I have to confess that I noted LATER that the htc.com content is country dependent, but I haven't been promoted to go through all contries listed on their map before I knew that 3g in the US is a catch..
There is no FM
The article states two things I am not enjoying at the moment: there is no front-facing camera, and there is no FM.
Also, it says that a hack could bring the FM back... is it true?
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I would love to be directed to any statement on the htc.com website that clearly told the visitors that the Touch Diamond doesn't have 3G in the US.. I have to confess that I noted LATER that the htc.com content is country dependent, but I haven't been promoted to go through all contries listed on their map before I knew that 3g in the US is a catch..
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But if you look at the specifications it doesnt list the US 3G Bands. You would have to know which bands are used in the US to catch this. The point here though is HTC has not marketed this in the US. I believe all of the retailers of the foreign HTC phones sell the phones without the blessing of HTC. The problem is there are a lot of suckers here in the US with no patience and make the resellers rich by paying exorbitant fees for phones that were not intended for the US market. I am included in the list of suckers.
"Network HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz"
http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46646
That's from HTC's Euro site. No mention there of US bands, just Europe and Asia.
Their US site doesn't list the Touch Diamond at all, since they don't offer it here. Though I'm sure they'll update the site to add the Sprint Diamond, and thereafter the US 3G GSM version once they officially announce it.
I said a hack *might* re-enable FM. The good coders here can help with that more than I can, I'm sure. I'd like to get the FM cab from the Euro Diamond to see if that works.
GSen works just fine though . Happily rotating anywhere I please.
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The article states two things I am not enjoying at the moment: there is no front-facing camera, and there is no FM.
Also, it says that a hack could bring the FM back... is it true?
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pdagal,
Good review. Is there any notable difference in performance between the unlocked GSM version and the Sprint version, or do they basically perform the same?
Thanks . There's more to follow. I'd say the Sprint version is still a little bit faster. The Sprint version has more obvious bugs though (call send button doesn't always bring up the dialer screen, landscape mode extends to apps it shouldn't support after launching a landscape app). I wouldn't complain about the landscape bug, but the device slows down when it goes into this "extended" landscape support mode.
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Thanks . There's more to follow. I'd say the Sprint version is still a little bit faster. The Sprint version has more obvious bugs though (call send button doesn't always bring up the dialer screen, landscape mode extends to apps it shouldn't support after launching a landscape app). I wouldn't complain about the landscape bug, but the device slows down when it goes into this "extended" landscape support mode.
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pdagal - say you could have either one for your personal phone and you didnt mind going with Sprint or ATT. Which would you pick and why?
I'd like to play with them both a few days longer before issuing a verdict . Right now, I'd lean toward the Sprint model, though CDMA really isn't my thing (can't live without SIM swapping). The Sprint version is a bit faster, TeleNav (aka Sprint Navigation) is very good if you don't mind a monthly fee, and Sprint TV is moderately entertaining. But I'll try to remember to post back in a few more days after I've had time to torture them both more.
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I'd like to play with them both a few days longer before issuing a verdict . Right now, I'd lean toward the Sprint model, though CDMA really isn't my thing (can't live without SIM swapping). The Sprint version is a bit faster, TeleNav (aka Sprint Navigation) is very good if you don't mind a monthly fee, and Sprint TV is moderately entertaining. But I'll try to remember to post back in a few more days after I've had time to torture them both more.
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Thanks - Those are the two reasons I have been going back and forth in my head as to which way to go. The only two reasons I still keep thinking about Sprint is for the navigation software incorporated and having the Sprint TV service (although I do have a Slingbox). I used the TeleNav on a Instinct for a few days and found it very nice.
tzour said:
Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110.. My first and last purchase with HTC for sure.
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This is so bloody typical. You go out of you to buy a phone that is not sold in your country and then lawyer up to soothe over your ego.
Now youre going to blame the manufacturer and the shop owners for not treating you like the 6 year-old you seem to be and force them to eat the loss for your impatience.
If i was the judge sitting on this one i'd dismiss the case with costs to you.
I have a 110 on ATT in USA and find EDGE surprisingly useable. It is quite easy to use WIFI for large downloads. I can use for real time GPS maps (Google or Live). I was going to buy US version for 3G but don't think I need to.
The phone was sold IN the US through Amazon.com. No mention of it being Euro or no 3 G for US. I took a chance hoping a ROM would fix it but don't care now because it works so well.
Cheers.
In my particular case, the diam100 was advertised (by the importer) as 3G-enabled for my country. As it failed to comply, I'll return it and get a US when available. My DIAM100 is safe, packed and ready for a swap.
I've asked a few questions here, on different threads regarding the Galaxy Tab from Sprint, and no one seems to want to address the thing. Is my version of the Tab cursed, or infected or something? Every thread I've read tip toes around whether or not something will work on the SPH-P100, and for the most part states that their super special something or other will not work on the Sprint Tab. I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
Any insight would greatly comfort me...lol
yes! I see this too! I keep wondering if I should go return it or something. to be honest I would have gotten the Verizon version if they had it in stock but after reading these forums I feel like I should've went with the t-mo version!
+1 here ive had mine 2 days i may just do that.
Sent from my SPH-P100 using XDA App
The lack of ROM's and support for the Sprint version of the tab has kept me from rooting.....no point right now. Needless to say its very frustrating right now, but I haver faith in the Dev's. They always seem to come through
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Honestly even for AT&T or T-Mobile contributions are still poor compared with many other phones on xda. At least the ones I used to own. But yeah way worse for Sprint/Verizon
That said it makes sense: he tab has been out only for a small period of time, it's expensive and not many devs have it... Hopefully with time you will get more support. If the tab is not left in the shadow too quickly by the new Tegra 2 tablets (Hipefully they wont't be out before May/June in which case more people will go for the SGT)
Think Im gonna sell mine soon. The lack of input and hacking compared to lets say the HTC Desire which is what I used to have is unreal.
People keep saying wait and Dev's will jump on but the Desire modding and roms started straight away..
On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
Look at how good honeycomb looks....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
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On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
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Says who?
Sent from my 7 inch monster.
thank Andy, it's more than just me!
I still love my Tab, it's great, but everyone's right. I too have kept from rooting mine just because of the lack of (I won't say support, since it's no one's "job" to hack) access to more info.
I've been an XDA member since I got my EVO when that bad boy first came out, and I LOVE all of the devs, and their "products" for that. I guess when I got my Tab for (a couple weeks before) Christmas, I expected to see a huge list of ROMS, custom made apps, and themes, but as it was said before, they ARE pretty expensive (don't know, or wanna' know how my GF got it for me....lol) and as far as I can see, they're really only popular in countries OTHER than the US... I guess I'm being impatient, but I WANNIT I WANNIT I WANNIT (and by "IT" I mean what I want...lol)
Thanks for the support, guys! I'll toss it out that I have and am always willing to donate to a dev who does the job right, whether it be Alpha, or RC I never mooch! Hard work is hard work, and I try to make it as worth a dev's time as I can. That being said, if ANY DEV is looking for a tester, hit me up!
Thanks again guys, this is the first thread I've posted to get a REAL response!
Perhaps you all should start a bounty fund?
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I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
foxmeister said:
Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
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LargePrime said:
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
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I'll see your 550 million CDMA subscribers, and raise you 4.5 billion GSM subscribers!
http://www.gsacom.com/news/statistics.php4
Regards,
Dave
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
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Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe.
foxmeister said:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM.
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Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
http://iphoneappstoday.com/2010/11/samsungs-global-galaxy-tab-sales-lag-behind-apple-ipad-at-600k/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGyNxBY3ZxLqBRcIyopOY7t9pyoUw&cad=rja
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That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
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This is the most serious concern. It cannot be overstated how important it is to get PCS devices into Devs hands. But note that the GSM devices had a two month jump on the CDMA devices. So devs bought them first. The ROM work we are seeing now is directly a result of that early jump.
Now weather there are 10 times as many GSM users is irrelevant.
A relevant question is ;
where are you located?
is the extra cost of the GSM devices is worth the extra storage you get?
are you going to travel with the device?
Are you willing to wait for a few months for the development to catch up to the GSM versions, or will that really bug you?
Are you willing to contribute to a bounty to accelerate PCS development?
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Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe
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So, just because there are CDMA networks in those regions, you infer that there must be CDMA Tabs available on those networks? That's a giant leap!
You'll notice that I said "That isn't a hard and fast rule" straight after I said " Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM". On these boards and others I follow, I've not seen a *single* mention of a CDMA Tab that isn't a North American unit. Of course, there will almost certainly be an SK Telecom CDMA Tab in South Korea, and I guess it's not posted about here due to the language barrier.
What I have seen though is people posting from Russia, the Middle East, and other regions that they've bought a Verizon or Sprint Tab from the states only o find there is no network they can use them on in their home country.
Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
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I'm not sure what you are saying is implied here, but it seems to me that your saying that the Tab saw a massive jump in sales once the Tab launched on Verizon and Sprint. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever in either of those links that would indicate that IMO.
First of all, the Tab didn't launch in most of the rest of the world (UK included), until November same as the US. Secondly whilst those figures talk about worldwide sales, in relation to the US those articles talk about all 4 major US carriers, not just Sprint/Verizon , which obviously includes the two US GSM carriers.
Without firm sales figures region by region, and by device type (CDMA or GSM) it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions about Tab sales beyond simple units sold
All I am saying is that the focus is likely to be on GSM Tabs because it is a larger market, and there are *likely* to be many more of them in circulation that CDMA units.
In my experience on XDA, bounties tend not to work. If anything they further fragment an already fragmented development community. If you want to raise money for a development effort, a far better idea (IMO) would be to identify a leading developer(s) for CDMA Galaxy S devices, and offer to supply them with a Tab.
Regards,
Dave
Its because there's a lot more of us than there are of you. Simple. Also, the tab is very expensive across the globe, and the majority of those that buy it get it unlocked and unsubsidized.
Surley someone could make a rom that would not mess with the baseband of the phone and would support all of the tabs since they have the same cpu and ram exept the new 4g verizon one which is a bit faster
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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Exept to get the stuff from samsung you will have to mess with KIES (grrrrr - i own a mac and hate having to boot it into windows just to update the tab)
can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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I watch Hulu from my tablet without s problem, I watch medavideos. My tablet no redirection, the page opening when you click play is due to megavideos they have a popup when you click play the first time. I have the sprint version as well
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This phone sounds amazing, but theres some conflicting information i've heard on it from multiple different sources.
1. Does the phone work on verizon? My current phone plan is on verizon, and it would be so much easier to just change out phones rather than move my entire wireless company to get this phone. I've heard that it does and it doesn't. Is it the chinese versions that don't? I'm american, so do the versions sold in America work with verizon? I went to my local verizon store, and they said it wouldn't, but the lady had to look it up on her phone but the article she saw might have been talking about the tencent version or something.
2. If it doesn't work on verizon, what other network would work better? I've heard that T-Mobile wouldn't work well for this phone, so maybe AT&T? Again, I would greatly prefer to just stick with Verizon.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE answer my questions, I've asked these questions in multiple places but no one has answered a reliable answer in any of them.
JegusChrist said:
This phone sounds amazing, but theres some conflicting information i've heard on it from multiple different sources.
1. Does the phone work on verizon? My current phone plan is on verizon, and it would be so much easier to just change out phones rather than move my entire wireless company to get this phone. I've heard that it does and it doesn't. Is it the chinese versions that don't? I'm american, so do the versions sold in America work with verizon? I went to my local verizon store, and they said it wouldn't, but the lady had to look it up on her phone but the article she saw might have been talking about the tencent version or something.
2. If it doesn't work on verizon, what other network would work better? I've heard that T-Mobile wouldn't work well for this phone, so maybe AT&T? Again, I would greatly prefer to just stick with Verizon.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE answer my questions, I've asked these questions in multiple places but no one has answered a reliable answer in any of them.
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No on Verizon. Yes to tmobile and att. Chinese and international versions have different lte band support. Talk to your local tmobile and att reps to see which bands you need and verify on the Asus site for rog phone 2.
A few users here say they got it working on Verizon as a data only device, and it does support their LTE bands. For calls, they mostly use Google Voice but one buys a cheap subscription on an AT&T MVNO for calls.
It doesn't have band 71 support for TMO, which could make coverage an issue. AT&T has the best support from what I've seen.
Something else to note is this is not VoLTE certified in the U.S. It can only make calls on the GSM networks, and those will be shutting over the next few years. If you plan to keep the phone long term, expect to lose the ability to make any phone calls. You could move to Google Voice at that point, but you'd still be left with no 911 access. Asus has so far indicated they have no plans to certify it for VoLTE in the U.S. (even other region versions that do have VoLTE wouldn't be able to use it here).
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A few users here say they got it working on Verizon as a data only device, and it does support their LTE bands. For calls, they mostly use Google Voice but one buys a cheap subscription on an AT&T MVNO for calls.
It doesn't have band 71 support for TMO, which could make coverage an issue. AT&T has the best support from what I've seen.
Something else to note is this is not VoLTE certified in the U.S. It can only make calls on the GSM networks, and those will be shutting over the next few years. If you plan to keep the phone long term, expect to lose the ability to make any phone calls. You could move to Google Voice at that point, but you'd still be left with no 911 access. Asus has so far indicated they have no plans to certify it for VoLTE in the U.S. (even other region versions that do have VoLTE wouldn't be able to use it here).
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I'm not exactly the best at phone lingo, i just stumbled across this website while looking up things about the phone.
That being said, can you tell me whether or not the phone is worth it? It seems like theres wayy too many disadvantages to this phone, and that kinda bugs me. I've been wanting this phone for a while, so I'd much rather get this than anything else.
If it's not really worth it, can you mention any other phones that are similar? mainly one that can emulate games just as good if not better than the ROG 2?
"Is it worth it?"
That is such a loaded question if you're in the U.S. That's something you'll have to decide for yourself based on your needs. If it had VoLTE here, then it would be worth every penny. All I can say is that for me, it isn't worth it. Yes, you get a ton of value for the phone. I'm on Verizon and would've been ok switching calls and texts to Google Voice. I also planned to keep it long term, likely after the GSM network shutdowns. I also drive for a living, hauling hazardous materials. So in my case, the inability to make a 911 call once those networks shut down is a very big concern. For me, that one reason alone is why I've decided to hold off on it.
On the flip side, if you don't have a problem with the 911 issue, or plan to switch phones in a year or two anyway, then this may very well be worth it in your case.
As for other options, I think the Nubia Red Magic 3s is likely the closest in terms of features and performance. It's not quite as bleeding edge as the ROG 2, but it's also a lot cheaper and has VoLTE calling. The Razer Phone 2 is another known option, but it's a generation older too and support may be questionable (rumor has it there may not be a Razer 3). I don't know a ton about either phone other than what I've read on their specs.