Hi guys and gals, we just got our hands on the unlocked GSM version of the Touch Diamond for the US, with US (err, AT&T) 3G. Here's my first look: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/US-3G-HTC-Touch-Diamond.htm .
It has 850/1900MHz HSDPA, and is quad band GSM. Short summary: no front-facing camera, matte back and bigger battery.
- Lisa
Has anyone been able to confirm whether the DIAM100 has hardware that can support the US/AT&T 3G?
nice, thats awesome!
No, the US version is the DIAM110, the DIAM100 won't do US 3G.
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Has anyone been able to confirm whether the DIAM100 has hardware that can support the US/AT&T 3G?
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Sigh.. A different version (DIAM110) really breaks my last hope. I am sure many of us were misled to purchase the non-US model; with chaotic origins from India, Europe, HK, etc, without knowing (1) the claimed 3G couldn't be ued in the US and (2) a US model would come as we are seeing now .. Or is it just my ignorance and mistake? .. Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110.. My first and last purchase with HTC for sure.
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Sigh.. I am sure many of us were misled to purchase the non-US model; with chaotic origins from India, Europe, HK, etc, without knowing (1) the claimed 3G couldn't be ued in the US and (2) a US model as we are seeing now will come at a later date.. Or is it just my ignorance and mistake? .. Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110..
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Unfortunately it was a known fact that the Diamonds sold prior to the actual US release were not intended for the US and the specifications clearly showed (htc.com) that it was not US 3G capable. Problem is there are so many bad resellers that will tell you anything to get you to buy from them. I also have noticed that a lot of the on-line resellers dont list the correct information for all phones however HTC is not at fault for that.
And at the original launch of the Diamond in London back in June, HTC did state that a US version would follow in a few months. We posted that in our news section at the time. Of course, given the often long lag before we see a US version, many folks were skeptical it would really come this soon.
I would love to be directed to any statement on the htc.com website that clearly told the visitors that the Touch Diamond doesn't have 3G in the US.. I have to confess that I noted LATER that the htc.com content is country dependent, but I haven't been promoted to go through all contries listed on their map before I knew that 3g in the US is a catch..
There is no FM
The article states two things I am not enjoying at the moment: there is no front-facing camera, and there is no FM.
Also, it says that a hack could bring the FM back... is it true?
tzour said:
I would love to be directed to any statement on the htc.com website that clearly told the visitors that the Touch Diamond doesn't have 3G in the US.. I have to confess that I noted LATER that the htc.com content is country dependent, but I haven't been promoted to go through all contries listed on their map before I knew that 3g in the US is a catch..
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But if you look at the specifications it doesnt list the US 3G Bands. You would have to know which bands are used in the US to catch this. The point here though is HTC has not marketed this in the US. I believe all of the retailers of the foreign HTC phones sell the phones without the blessing of HTC. The problem is there are a lot of suckers here in the US with no patience and make the resellers rich by paying exorbitant fees for phones that were not intended for the US market. I am included in the list of suckers.
"Network HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz"
http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46646
That's from HTC's Euro site. No mention there of US bands, just Europe and Asia.
Their US site doesn't list the Touch Diamond at all, since they don't offer it here. Though I'm sure they'll update the site to add the Sprint Diamond, and thereafter the US 3G GSM version once they officially announce it.
I said a hack *might* re-enable FM. The good coders here can help with that more than I can, I'm sure. I'd like to get the FM cab from the Euro Diamond to see if that works.
GSen works just fine though . Happily rotating anywhere I please.
dariop said:
The article states two things I am not enjoying at the moment: there is no front-facing camera, and there is no FM.
Also, it says that a hack could bring the FM back... is it true?
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pdagal,
Good review. Is there any notable difference in performance between the unlocked GSM version and the Sprint version, or do they basically perform the same?
Thanks . There's more to follow. I'd say the Sprint version is still a little bit faster. The Sprint version has more obvious bugs though (call send button doesn't always bring up the dialer screen, landscape mode extends to apps it shouldn't support after launching a landscape app). I wouldn't complain about the landscape bug, but the device slows down when it goes into this "extended" landscape support mode.
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Thanks . There's more to follow. I'd say the Sprint version is still a little bit faster. The Sprint version has more obvious bugs though (call send button doesn't always bring up the dialer screen, landscape mode extends to apps it shouldn't support after launching a landscape app). I wouldn't complain about the landscape bug, but the device slows down when it goes into this "extended" landscape support mode.
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pdagal - say you could have either one for your personal phone and you didnt mind going with Sprint or ATT. Which would you pick and why?
I'd like to play with them both a few days longer before issuing a verdict . Right now, I'd lean toward the Sprint model, though CDMA really isn't my thing (can't live without SIM swapping). The Sprint version is a bit faster, TeleNav (aka Sprint Navigation) is very good if you don't mind a monthly fee, and Sprint TV is moderately entertaining. But I'll try to remember to post back in a few more days after I've had time to torture them both more.
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I'd like to play with them both a few days longer before issuing a verdict . Right now, I'd lean toward the Sprint model, though CDMA really isn't my thing (can't live without SIM swapping). The Sprint version is a bit faster, TeleNav (aka Sprint Navigation) is very good if you don't mind a monthly fee, and Sprint TV is moderately entertaining. But I'll try to remember to post back in a few more days after I've had time to torture them both more.
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Thanks - Those are the two reasons I have been going back and forth in my head as to which way to go. The only two reasons I still keep thinking about Sprint is for the navigation software incorporated and having the Sprint TV service (although I do have a Slingbox). I used the TeleNav on a Instinct for a few days and found it very nice.
tzour said:
Hope some lawers on this forum could help us trade our whatever Diamong with a US Diamond with 3G/DIAM110.. My first and last purchase with HTC for sure.
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This is so bloody typical. You go out of you to buy a phone that is not sold in your country and then lawyer up to soothe over your ego.
Now youre going to blame the manufacturer and the shop owners for not treating you like the 6 year-old you seem to be and force them to eat the loss for your impatience.
If i was the judge sitting on this one i'd dismiss the case with costs to you.
I have a 110 on ATT in USA and find EDGE surprisingly useable. It is quite easy to use WIFI for large downloads. I can use for real time GPS maps (Google or Live). I was going to buy US version for 3G but don't think I need to.
The phone was sold IN the US through Amazon.com. No mention of it being Euro or no 3 G for US. I took a chance hoping a ROM would fix it but don't care now because it works so well.
Cheers.
In my particular case, the diam100 was advertised (by the importer) as 3G-enabled for my country. As it failed to comply, I'll return it and get a US when available. My DIAM100 is safe, packed and ready for a swap.
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I'm starting to see Diamonds for sale on Ebay. If I were to purchase one now, would it work on Sprint, even though they have not officially released it yet? Also, any reason to wait for the rumored Raphael; is it better?
Anybody switch to Diamond from Mogul; is it much better?
Thanks for your thoughts.
The diamonds you see is most likely unlocked, and can be used in any network you like.. I have no clue where in this world you reside, but US beware! No quad-band.
I'm in USA, so are you saying do not buy? Thanks for your response.
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I'm in USA, so are you saying do not buy? Thanks for your response.
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Yes dont buy unless its an American version of the Diamond...the ones on ebay are all asian versions which means that it wont work on the 3G network in America as far as i know. Judging by past posts on here by American forum members...best you will get is either Edge or GPRS if your lucky.
The American version of the Diamond should be released in july/august...best off waiting till then i would say.
Whoa! There is a lot of untrue information floating around here. First of all, Sprint runs on a completely different network than the rest of the world. So while the phones you purchase on eBay are most likely unlocked, they still run on GSM bands, which means you will only be able to use it with either AT&T or T-Mobile in the states. (Sprint/Verizon run on CDMA bands.)
Additionally, as noted - these non-US versions of the Diamond are not quad-band, and they do not run on the 3G bands used here in the states. I have one and live in the Washington DC area. I get fairly consistent Edge speeds, and slightly more dropped calls than with a US-release phone. It's well worth it to have the most kick-ass phone currently available, but it is a sacrifice nonetheless. Of course, depending on your geographic region, you may have more or less luck.
Finally, on a personal opinion note... Get off Sprint. Phones like this are always released first for the rest of the world, and have to be made with radios specific to Sprint/Verizon for use on their networks, which is always going to trail widespread release by several months at least (if not a year or longer). By using AT&T or T-Mobile, you are going to have access to much greater equipment selections on a regular basis.
I, have the Diamond in New York on T-Mobile Network, and my Edge connection is pretty quick with Opera, and as far as calls after two weeks of use I have yet to experience a dropped call or bad reception. I know this is not the same case in every area, but the fact that this device will not work in the US is not entirely true except 3G.
*Note* Neither Sprint nor Verizon will work.
The current versions of Diamond is not CDMA version. So they will not work on any CDMA networks in the US. That includes but not limited to Sprint, Verizon, and US Cellular. They will however work in the US with T-Mobile and AT&T with Edge connection. According to the FCC filing, they will do the full announcement of Diamond in the US by August 13 and PCS 1900Mhz was mentioned in the pdfs. All photos and such can not be disclosed by FCC until Aug 13th.
Is there a working ROM (home brewed or otherwise) that will make the 3G in HTC Diamond work in the US with a carrier like ATT?
I would like to buy a phone and I am not sure if this is possible. I read somewhere that the FCC recently approved 3G version of the model - but would like to know for sure.
Thanks,
Karter
No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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Ok now I'm really confused ! I thought the fact (or at least I thought it was) that the "European" Diamonds were ROM upgradable to access US 3G was the whole basis for those of us that are hoping for the Touch Pro to eventually be the same way ??????????????
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No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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Sorry hit the submit button twice
we ALL hope so, but it looks like is NOT happening!
lol this is just funny now...
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lol this is just funny now...
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Sorry guys - I must have misunderstood some of the posts and I haven't been following the Diamond area closely enough
But I sure am glad I could provide you some entertainment ... but even more so, I sure hope that the when the dust settles the laugh will be on you ???
hopefully
yes yes the manufacturers want to give out all those free features..i forgot how the commercial world works...
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No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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that is not entirely true. The hardware is exactly the same.
Please don't perpetuate this false rumor - DIAM 100 is not 850mz 3G capable
Based on the fact that HTC submitted a different model number than DIAM 100, the DIAM110
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...mFrame=N&application_id=417017&fcc_id='NM8DM')
to the FCC, it seems pretty clear that the hardware between the European version and the US version are in fact different. In addition, no one has been ale to get 850mhz 3G working on any existing (i.e., DIAM100) phone. If you can show evidence otherwise, I'm sure people would be interested. Otherwise, I think you're spreading a false rumor created out of wishful thinking and HTC's past behavior of not enabling GPS on the Trinity.
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Based on the fact that HTC submitted a different model number than DIAM 100, the DIAM110
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...mFrame=N&application_id=417017&fcc_id='NM8DM')
to the FCC, it seems pretty clear that the hardware between the European version and the US version are in fact different. In addition, no one has been ale to get 850mhz 3G working on any existing (i.e., DIAM100) phone. If you can show evidence otherwise, I'm sure people would be interested. Otherwise, I think you're spreading a false rumor created out of wishful thinking and HTC's past behavior of not enabling GPS on the Trinity.
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Indeed there is no evidence to prove the DIAM100 can work on US 3G. But, i dont think its hardware related well i just keep my hope that something can make mine work. Dont want to sell it out!
lets speculate a little....
1) Mobile phone chipsets ARE multiband by definition. Even if it says that it is only 1900MHz, its chipset suports a range of frequencies (something like 1850 to 1990). Why? because it has to support lots of call in a single cell. The call are spread over hundreds of channels (frequencies) and across time-slots in a code division scheme.
And because it uses a code division scheme for multiple simultaneos calls, then all these frequencies are used at the same time.
So, operating frequency is programmable.
2) The Antenna has also to support multiple frequencies.
3) I think the only reason a chipset has to not support a frequency is the processor speedy. But 7201A specs says it suports 2.1GHz as well as 850GHz UMTS.
So, the reason a mobile phone has to be dual band and not quadband has to be only market related and not technical.
Is this correct?
or only bull****?
If this is correct, then Diamod Hardware HAS to be UMTS Quadband.
And, to provide HTC a commercial advantage when negotiating with carriers (that is, HTC locks european models to not work in USA --- so that, to use 3G in USA one needs to by the device from the local carrier --- this leads to better contracts with the carrier).
If Diamond hardware is quadband where is the lock?
From all the reseaches we are almost sure it is not in the main storage memory (Radio or ROM).
It can be hardware locked....then the only way to unlock will be hacking the hardware wich is not viable for almost all of us (if it is not impossible).
But (trying thinking as HTC engineers), how about lock it (outside the memory --- because users are flashing hacked Radios and ROMs) but still in a programable way? (I think like sim-lock is done this way in many devices). Because doing this way I don´t have to create diferent production pipelines and different projects.
By programmable I mean a process that is done after the phone (or the main board) is manufactured.
If all of this is true (and I think it is not ) than the question is: is this final process reversible? (like simlock)?
If yes then how?
Uau.....I am impressed on the amount of **** I can write sometimes.
Hello,
As you can guess, I'm new to Blackstone. I have what I hope to be a simple question. Is the fact that HTC Touch HD doesn't support US 3G a hardware limitation or a software limitation.
Reason for asking:
When a US carrier gets off their lazy a** and picks up this awesome device, will there be a ROM update to enable US 3G?
I really want this device and the only thing keeping me from getting it is the 3G limitation, but I can live with it if one day (less than a year) there is a ROM update to enable US 3G. But if it is a hardware limitation then I'm out of luck.
Thanks,
Roger
hello,
just as new as you...got mine but knew it wouldnt work on us3g becoz us and europe have diferent types of network band for the 3g that why it wont here... hd was made for conveniently europe networks bands
Hardware or Software
I was aware of the limitation right off hand but do you know if its a hardware or software limitation?
AS IN:
Difference in protocols
OR
Different Chip All Together
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433548
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I do have to ask, due to this happening to me as well, when asking about status or news on 3G in the US for the HTC Touch HD everyone refers back to the link above for the "HTC to USA: No 3G..." message-thread.
I dont see the issue with asking the US 3G status question and getting a reply, rather than wading through 15 pages of postings in a huge thread. Discussion of everything from EDGE speeds, to speed-tests, performance in different areas, etc... but the question posed here is quite specific. Personally I've tried many searches and just looking to find status and how, if at all, I can help. Can we at least start a new thread to this end?
* Can anyone share a simple software/hardware issue for UD 3G with the Touch HD?
* How can [new people] people get involved to look into this kind of an issue?
Thanks for listening and any information...
D
kzw2zx said:
I do have to ask, due to this happening to me as well, when asking about status or news on 3G in the US for the HTC Touch HD everyone refers back to the link above for the "HTC to USA: No 3G..." message-thread.
I dont see the issue with asking the US 3G status question and getting a reply, rather than wading through 15 pages of postings in a huge thread. Discussion of everything from EDGE speeds, to speed-tests, performance in different areas, etc... but the question posed here is quite specific. Personally I've tried many searches and just looking to find status and how, if at all, I can help. Can we at least start a new thread to this end?
* Can anyone share a simple software/hardware issue for UD 3G with the Touch HD?
* How can [new people] people get involved to look into this kind of an issue?
Thanks for listening and any information...
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I think maybe people are somewhat brusque when answering this question because it has been asked so often with respect to other devices. That being said, I do not think anyone knows whether the issue with the HD is hardware or software related (please correct me if I am wrong). I know that some members have been working on making US 3G bands work for the non-AT&T Touch Pro (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2565338&postcount=2), so you may want to ask those guys how to get involved in starting up a similar project with the HD.
I would like to say, though, that I have been simply amazed at how well Edge has been performing on the HD. It is faster for mobile browsing than my US 3G Diamond, Touch Cruise, Tilt, and my wife's iPhone 3G with the 3G/H showing and all bars up. So if you are putting off a decision to get the phone based on mobile browsing speed, in my experience (and it is just that, my experience), I have not missed 3G at all.
I note that that I have been using the HD in New York City with AT&T, which means notoriously crappy service no matter what the technology the phone is capable of, and, of course, tethering, etc. might be a whole different story, so I realize that my experience is of limited use. Also, I am going to be in a Euro standard 3G country soon, so I may be singing a different tune once I see what the HD can really do
Anyway, just my 2 cents, and I wish you luck. If you get a project for 3G going, I will happily donate, as, I am sure, many other will, too.
The only GSM carriers in the US offering 3G capabilities are AT&T and T-Mobile. For 3G on the T-Mobile network, your phone must support both 1700 and 2100Mhz. The 2100Mhz bandwidth has been well-defined as the "D" (download) portion of HSDPA. I believe you will also see 3G referred to as WCMDA on the 2100Mhz spectrum. AT&T Wireless has opted for a more "standard" approach where they are reusing the original PCS frequency (1900Mhz) for the "U" (upload) portion of HSUPA.
To get true, bi-directional 3G, your device must include a software radio that supports both HSDPA and HSUPA. Anything else will be a hit-or-miss affair. While this may lead you to "rejoice" because our radios are software-based, be aware that the antennas in our phones are also a part of the equation.
Therefore, you will likely be able to use a Touch HD on the AT&T network at 3G speeds, but you will NOT (EVER) get 3G out of a Touch HD on the T-Mobile network in the US.
It's a real shame that T-Mobile chose to deviate from its parent (Deutsche Telekom - T-Mobile in Germany) on their frequency choice for 3G. It makes them odd-man out virtually world-wide. I suspect that they were unable to secure the rights to anything other than 1700Mhz, but I would argue that theie decision really crippled their users..... it's yet another reason why I would NEVER buy a G1. Really sad IMO.
simple and straight answer:
its a hardware issue ... you won't get US 3g on touch hd, period. (no rom update etc. will make it start working)
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simple and straight answer:
its a hardware issue ... you won't get US 3g on touch hd, period. (no rom update etc. will make it start working)
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Simple and straight answer back
No this is not true its a political issue, and the past shows already that it#s only a software issue, because the frequency range is so close to the European that the antenna is capable of those "between" frq.
The same is with Australia where some phones were original not capable but thr radio updates worked (nonofficial)
just my 2c
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It's a real shame that T-Mobile chose to deviate from its parent (Deutsche Telekom - T-Mobile in Germany) on their frequency choice for 3G. It makes them odd-man out virtually world-wide. I suspect that they were unable to secure the rights to anything other than 1700Mhz, but I would argue that theie decision really crippled their users..... it's yet another reason why I would NEVER buy a G1. Really sad IMO.
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IIRC, they showed up for the auction of the ranges and lost bids for the more standard frequencies. They were left with what they have...
3G Big Deal
Ive said it once and ill say it again. Edge on my HD is FASTER than my 3G diamond!!!!!!!!...so there...
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simple and straight answer:
its a hardware issue ... you won't get US 3g on touch hd, period. (no rom update etc. will make it start working)
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this is not a hardware issue. i know it has been mentioned else where in this forum and others, and we got "official word" that this is a hardware issue. but it is not. i didn't speak up earlier because i know if i did, people will ask me for sources. i don't have sources, i know because i work on these type of stuff.
in simple terms, the hardware is just an antenna, it is the "software" that should be tuned to interpret the signal. just like you can use regular analog TV antenna to catch over the air HD signals, it is the tuner that does the job.
however the software you are thinking (cab files or ROM files) won't solve this problem:
the hardware isn't flashed with the firmware, it is not enabled in the low level to understand the language EVEN IF the ROM file and high level application allows for the functionality.
everyone's familiar with computers, an analogy is: if you disable say sound in the BIOS (by using a older/different version of BIOS), you can install (what we call "FLASH" in the mobile world) OS you want, and you can install different audio drivers, you are not going to get that functionality.
so that is why you can flash left and right different Touch HD roms, you can enable/disable different registry keys that make it look like it has the 850MHz choices in the drop down menus, and you can always try different Radio ROMs, but you are not going to get a bit of that functionality if the hardware/feature is disabled at the lowest level. you need to flash the actual hardware (in this case the anthenna//baseband) with the correct firmware. and i am talking about the real firmware. I think the misconception here when everyone's talking about "i'm flashing my Radio's firmware to the latest one", they are actually talking about the equivalent of a "driver" in the windows world. the real firmware is even lower than those "firmwware".
Hey buggybug0
I read through your comments and it seems very logical to me. However, do you think that it is possible in the future that the us 3g band will be enabled through a "hardware flash"?
I cant wait until that day happens. So I should buy now so the price premium isn't higher. . . . .How long does it usually take to take a phone that has the bands enabled already then some how incorporate that FW with the one on the HD?
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Hey buggybug0
I read through your comments and it seems very logical to me. However, do you think that it is possible in the future that the us 3g band will be enabled through a "hardware flash"?
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this hardware flash already exists, but because we are flashing a lower level hardware, you need a special cable, in addition to the binary file. only HTC has this special development cable, the cable plugs directly onto the board (not the miniUSB or extUSB port). we can't use the extUSB port because this port has no access to the memory that governs the baseband low level functionality: this is much like the older computer BIOS which you can only flash through the floppy drive. i believe windows mobile is behind windows, so this is where things are right now. nowadays you can run a high level .exe file in windows and have it access and flash the low level BIOS, may be some day this will become possible on windows mobile with a cab file flashing the low level baseband. but for the time being, the analogy is you need a special cable to flash, just like you need a floppy drive to flash.
everyone kept on saying lack of US 3g is a hardware difficulty, i know for a fact that this is a business decision. as much as US loves gadgets, europe and asia are much bigger markets, (the coolest phones always gets to europe, korean, japan taiwan first, other than a certain fruity brand). i don't doubt when HTC said "by the time we bring Touch HD to US, there will be much better phones, they are using this one-phone-for-you, one-phone-for-me strategy to keep customers hooked--> they disable the US band, and make the touch HD exclusive to europe, so North AMerican customers are all drooling, when the next gen phone comes that and improves on touch HD (call it HD2 for argument sake), they will release it to another regional market (for example US), then all european people will all get jealous and hooked, and get their interest up while US customers are paying big bucks to get them, so the 3rd phone which improves upon the HD2, and release it in europe, they will be all over it. it's a very good strategy because customer never loses interest. becuase you always want something you can't get. and you DEFINITELY want something that is better than the previous gen which you can't get. this for HTC means that the demand for their phone is always there at a healthy high level.
So what was up with the TyTn and TyTn 2.
Were they not able to do both US and EU 3G speeds? I don't recall there being different EU and US versions (like the Diamond).
I was using a Softbank X01HT version TyTn and was getting HSDPA speeds.
I would be surprised the HTC decided to cripple the phones since.
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So what was up with the TyTn and TyTn 2.
Were they not able to do both US and EU 3G speeds? I don't recall there being different EU and US versions (like the Diamond).
I was using a Softbank X01HT version TyTn and was getting HSDPA speeds.
I would be surprised the HTC decided to cripple the phones since.
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yes, there are HTC phones which had the same "BIOS", but the band were only disabled at the "driver" level, so the european brands of the same phone gets one Radio Rom while the US version gets a different Radio ROM. but since the functionality is already enabled at the lower level, it's just a matter of using a different radio rom (ie. driver) to enable the US 3G band.
I am not sure if the phone I am talking about is TyTn, but what I have same in the past 3 posts applies to a regular phone as well -- antenna is capable of receiving any frequency, it's up to the manufacture to insert the baseband software (this is the low level) to interpret those signals, then the interpretation gets passed onto the Radio stack (driver, radio rom), from there it goes to the operation system (winmob, symbian) then translates into applicatoin language to the actual application that's using the data (internet explorer, cell phone, IM app).
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IIRC, they showed up for the auction of the ranges and lost bids for the more standard frequencies. They were left with what they have...
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Your postulation could very well be the case. The fact remains that T-Mobile has created a 3G island for themselves and their subscribers here in the US. In my corporate discussions with T-Mobile, they demonstrate to me time and again that they simply do not "get it". Sad, very sad.
Only reason I stay with T-Mobile is the old (and I mean REALLY OLD) plan I have with them that no one has been able to beat cost-wise (plenty of minutes, unlimited data and hotspot access). I don't stay with them because they are at the top of the heap technically!
Well for those interested in the numebrs aspect, I have both the US and EU Diamond.
I tested both at dslreports.com using internet sharing. Same ROM (duttys 3.2), Same Radio (.05) , Same Laptop (via USB cable).
EU version (at EDGE speeds) came back at roughly 150 kbps.
US version (at H speeds) came back at roughly 450 kbps.
Of course this would only specifically apply to people in my area (Minneapolis). But it might shed some light on speed difference.
buggybug0,
until you provide your sources, your conclusions will remain a speculation for most of forum members. What you are saying may sound logical, but HTC may have different logic than you and you could still be wrong.
I agree with you that disabling 3G bands is a political decision though. And it's a commercial decision too. US carriers are apparently not looking to subsidize latest HTC handsets just yet for various reasons (T-Mob - due to G1, AT&T - due to iPhone 3G). However they will be shopping for new handsets sooner or later. If HTC releases a proper 3G quad-band device now, US carriers won't be happy and their further contracts for subsidized phones (which mean big money with no marketing/retail headaches for HTC) may never come in... Do they want to risk this big chunk? No.
Chances are you are right about the nature of band limitation problem and RF IC microcode may be crippled to support only certain bands on latest HTC devices. But it's still possible that some tracks are missing on the antenna PCB too. According to Qualcomm functional diagrams, it should be possible to multiplex RF signals for specific bands only.
This said, here's a challenge for you, prove your point with facts rather than speculations and you'll be a hero for a day.
I bought my HD2 from Telstra to use on AT&T. When I received it I couldn't get it to work on AT&T with the factory ROM and had to HSPL/Reflash it. What are the thought on the HD7 from Telstra working with an AT&T sim on the AT&T network? I would really hate to go back to a smaller screen and honestly the surround seems a bit kitchy.
You probably will have to have it sim unlocked. Thats easier than flashing a rom, but with WP7 I don't know.
i want to do the same thing i need an HD7 on at&t
i am on the same page
I am using a telstra hd2 on us att 3g, i switch between wm 6.5.x and android 2.2 desire rom, i've been using android a lot more lately, because i got tired of squeezing functionality out of winmo when its already there with android (tired of second rate facebook, foursquare apps etc ), alas i really want WP7 to succeed and will be there to support it, but i do not want to downgrade to a smaller device to stay on at&t, I have a cheap unlimited data plan (at&t thinks im using a
little nokia phone for data), the A list where i use my google voice for calls and have accrued over 3,000 roll over minutes,so it looks like ill be forking over $800 bucks again for a telstra hd7 if that's the case, i imagine though when i sell my unlocked hd2 running on att 3g network with dual operating systems i may get a decent penny on ebay to contribute towards the telstra hd7 purchase
and also has anyone else using this phone have found little support for those running android on it or anything else? sometimes i feel like im the only guy in the united states with a telstra hd2 and everyone else is using the tmo usa one, all the forums talk about the euro hd2 and the tmo usa one
im in the same boat, but with Bell in canada..i use the Telstra HD2 and from the looks of things were just getting the LG with the keyboard and a 3.5in screen..looks awful. im hoping the same with the HD7, just a matter of whether they can be sim unlocked. ill be keeping my eye on it and hoping for the best anyway.
Is it telstra even getting the hd7?
Seems like Telstra will be getting the HD7 exclusively in 2011 similar to what happened with the HD2.
Launch availability will be T-Mobile(US) O2(England/Germany) and SingTel(Singapore) none of which support UMTS/HSDPA 850.
Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
And for those of us that bought the Telstra HD2 we may recall the device came factory unlocked. Great for me as I'm using it on Telus in Toronto, Canada.
I looked at our launch line up here as well and our choices are pretty weak. I've read someone confirmed the Dell Venue Pro will work for us on the North American bands. That's my second choice.
But I think the HD7 from Telstra will be good to go. Except we'll be stuck with a Telstra Hub until someone figures out how to flash new roms lol..
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Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
And for those of us that bought the Telstra HD2 we may recall the device came factory unlocked. Great for me as I'm using it on Telus in Toronto, Canada.
I looked at our launch line up here as well and our choices are pretty weak. I've read someone confirmed the Dell Venue Pro will work for us on the North American bands. That's my second choice.
But I think the HD7 from Telstra will be good to go. Except we'll be stuck with a Telstra Hub until someone figures out how to flash new roms lol..
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You can uninstall the operator's hub, it'll just come back at each hard reset
front facing camera?
is it possible to find someone who can install a front facing camera as well? I would pay who ever could do it, it can be done with the samsung vibrant, it is really disappointing there is no ffc installed
and now im worried once i import the hd7 from telstra will there be roms that i can use to remove the telstra hub and skins? I doubt a hard reset will remove this, we are all venturing into new ground here indeed
there are no skins, and the carrier apps can be uninstalled
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Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
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According to this article "Unfortunately the elusive HTC HD7 is not available at launch. It’s officially slated to be available exclusively through Telstra next year in 2011. You would be wise to bet the first half of the year."
I honestly believe it will be worth the wait.
Were you able to use your Telstra HD2 on AT&T straight out of the box? I ask this because I could not. It was indeed sim unlocked, but didn't work for me. Granted I only tested it once and then HSPL/Flash to NRG.
-Brad
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You can uninstall the operator's hub, it'll just come back at each hard reset
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When you say "uninstall" I assume then you mean just remove their hub from the homescreen without actually uninstalling their software.
bworls said:
According to this article "Unfortunately the elusive HTC HD7 is not available at launch. It’s officially slated to be available exclusively through Telstra next year in 2011. You would be wise to bet the first half of the year."
I honestly believe it will be worth the wait.
Were you able to use your Telstra HD2 on AT&T straight out of the box? I ask this because I could not. It was indeed sim unlocked, but didn't work for me. Granted I only tested it once and then HSPL/Flash to NRG.
-Brad
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Odd that on the same day 2 different stories would be printed. One saying it's available next month, the other saying next year. Guess we'll know for sure by November if it doesn't actually arrive.
For me personally it worked on the Telus network right out of the box, even before I HSPL'd it. The only hassle was setting up the data and mms manually. But later I found a few custom roms that did that for me.
Review of the HD7 PCWorld AU
"This Telstra-exclusive Windows Phone 7 smartphone will launch in Australia in January 2011."
Anyone have a time machine?
The UK carrier O2 is also adding the HD7 to their line up for Oct. and has quad band GSM:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2010/o2-add-htc-hd7-windows-phone-7-smartphone.html
Based on my previous knowledge of quad band phones it should support the more popular 850/900/1800/1900 bands.. that being said can someone with more knowledge than myself confirm whether this would work similarly to the Telstra version?
vetvito said:
You probably will have to have it sim unlocked. Thats easier than flashing a rom, but with WP7 I don't know.
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Actually flashing a ROM won't work. You can't unlock the SIM by flashing another ROM, you have to get the unlock code regardless.
Most carriers do it for free or you can find a site online that will do it for a charge.
The OS does not effect SIM UNLOCKING so I do not see any change with WP7
pistol44 said:
The UK carrier O2 is also adding the HD7 to their line up for Oct. and has quad band GSM:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2010/o2-add-htc-hd7-windows-phone-7-smartphone.html
Based on my previous knowledge of quad band phones it should support the more popular 850/900/1800/1900 bands.. that being said can someone with more knowledge than myself confirm whether this would work similarly to the Telstra version?
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GSM (2G) is 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS/HSDPA (3G) is more than likely 900/2100 where AT&T is 850/1900
bworls said:
GSM (2G) is 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS/HSDPA (3G) is more than likely 900/2100 where AT&T is 850/1900
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Yeah I figured as much.. wishful thinking I guess. So we wait until January 2011
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Actually flashing a ROM won't work. You can't unlock the SIM by flashing another ROM, you have to get the unlock code regardless.
Most carriers do it for free or you can find a site online that will do it for a charge.
The OS does not effect SIM UNLOCKING so I do not see any change with WP7
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Do you know any reliable and trusted website? I don't mind paying I just want to be sure the site can do it.
I've asked a few questions here, on different threads regarding the Galaxy Tab from Sprint, and no one seems to want to address the thing. Is my version of the Tab cursed, or infected or something? Every thread I've read tip toes around whether or not something will work on the SPH-P100, and for the most part states that their super special something or other will not work on the Sprint Tab. I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
Any insight would greatly comfort me...lol
yes! I see this too! I keep wondering if I should go return it or something. to be honest I would have gotten the Verizon version if they had it in stock but after reading these forums I feel like I should've went with the t-mo version!
+1 here ive had mine 2 days i may just do that.
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The lack of ROM's and support for the Sprint version of the tab has kept me from rooting.....no point right now. Needless to say its very frustrating right now, but I haver faith in the Dev's. They always seem to come through
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Honestly even for AT&T or T-Mobile contributions are still poor compared with many other phones on xda. At least the ones I used to own. But yeah way worse for Sprint/Verizon
That said it makes sense: he tab has been out only for a small period of time, it's expensive and not many devs have it... Hopefully with time you will get more support. If the tab is not left in the shadow too quickly by the new Tegra 2 tablets (Hipefully they wont't be out before May/June in which case more people will go for the SGT)
Think Im gonna sell mine soon. The lack of input and hacking compared to lets say the HTC Desire which is what I used to have is unreal.
People keep saying wait and Dev's will jump on but the Desire modding and roms started straight away..
On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
Look at how good honeycomb looks....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
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On a side not the tab will not be able to run Honeycomb which is a real downer
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Says who?
Sent from my 7 inch monster.
thank Andy, it's more than just me!
I still love my Tab, it's great, but everyone's right. I too have kept from rooting mine just because of the lack of (I won't say support, since it's no one's "job" to hack) access to more info.
I've been an XDA member since I got my EVO when that bad boy first came out, and I LOVE all of the devs, and their "products" for that. I guess when I got my Tab for (a couple weeks before) Christmas, I expected to see a huge list of ROMS, custom made apps, and themes, but as it was said before, they ARE pretty expensive (don't know, or wanna' know how my GF got it for me....lol) and as far as I can see, they're really only popular in countries OTHER than the US... I guess I'm being impatient, but I WANNIT I WANNIT I WANNIT (and by "IT" I mean what I want...lol)
Thanks for the support, guys! I'll toss it out that I have and am always willing to donate to a dev who does the job right, whether it be Alpha, or RC I never mooch! Hard work is hard work, and I try to make it as worth a dev's time as I can. That being said, if ANY DEV is looking for a tester, hit me up!
Thanks again guys, this is the first thread I've posted to get a REAL response!
Perhaps you all should start a bounty fund?
IP IHI II IL said:
I'm just wondering first, why are there SOOO many different versions of the Tab, and second, why will nothing work on the Sprint Galaxy Tab (SPH-P100)?
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
foxmeister said:
Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
The problem you have is three fold:
1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM. That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
2. Most GSM networks outside of North America operate their 3G networks at 2100MHz, which is uncommon in North America. In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use frequencies that are completely incompatible with one another, so you can't take a TMo Tab and use it with 3G on AT&T and vice versa. Ironically though, you could bring either to Europe and they'd work fine as both support 2100MHz even if their respective networks do not.
3. It seems that pretty much all the US carriers can't just ship a device as standard and have to screw around with it in some way, almost always to the detriment of the consumer. Verizon Tabs have less internal memory than all other Tabs, and no US Tabs ship with voice functionality out of the box.
From an outsiders perspective, the cellular market in the US is deeply insular, and very uncompetitive. You can't easily take a phone from one network and run it on another due to incompatible technologies and/or frequencies making switching networks that much harder. Costs seem very high too when compared to the UK.
I'm heading over to FL for 6.5 weeks tomorrow, and to serve my needs I'm going to get a Virgin Mobile MiFi out there with prepaid data for use with my Desire HD and Tab, and use my existing Tracfone for calls. When I travel to Europe, I can usually pick up a cheap prepaid SIM with decent voice and data allowances, but this doesn't seem to be much of an option in the US - best I can find is Simple Mobile, but I'd need a phone with TMo US frequencies!
Regards,
Dave
EDIT: Sorry, went a way off topic there!
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LargePrime said:
Readers can look at the map themselves
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
The two major PCS can share devices in the US
I would love to find out what kind of hacking the Koreans are doing with their CDMA tabs.
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I'll see your 550 million CDMA subscribers, and raise you 4.5 billion GSM subscribers!
http://www.gsacom.com/news/statistics.php4
Regards,
Dave
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Once you get outside of North America, you'll find there's really only one Tab.
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Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe.
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1. Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM.
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Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
http://iphoneappstoday.com/2010/11/samsungs-global-galaxy-tab-sales-lag-behind-apple-ipad-at-600k/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGyNxBY3ZxLqBRcIyopOY7t9pyoUw&cad=rja
foxmeister said:
That isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's close enough to make no difference. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA networks, so require different treatment to GSM Tabs. Almost all of the newer ROMs we are seeing for the Tab are GSM ROMs.
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This is the most serious concern. It cannot be overstated how important it is to get PCS devices into Devs hands. But note that the GSM devices had a two month jump on the CDMA devices. So devs bought them first. The ROM work we are seeing now is directly a result of that early jump.
Now weather there are 10 times as many GSM users is irrelevant.
A relevant question is ;
where are you located?
is the extra cost of the GSM devices is worth the extra storage you get?
are you going to travel with the device?
Are you willing to wait for a few months for the development to catch up to the GSM versions, or will that really bug you?
Are you willing to contribute to a bounty to accelerate PCS development?
LargePrime said:
Unless you are in Aisa, Russia, Nothern Europe, Africa, Or South America.
Really there is one tab in western Europe
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So, just because there are CDMA networks in those regions, you infer that there must be CDMA Tabs available on those networks? That's a giant leap!
You'll notice that I said "That isn't a hard and fast rule" straight after I said " Outside of North America, pretty much all Tabs are GSM". On these boards and others I follow, I've not seen a *single* mention of a CDMA Tab that isn't a North American unit. Of course, there will almost certainly be an SK Telecom CDMA Tab in South Korea, and I guess it's not posted about here due to the language barrier.
What I have seen though is people posting from Russia, the Middle East, and other regions that they've bought a Verizon or Sprint Tab from the states only o find there is no network they can use them on in their home country.
Except, see above. I have not seen a sales breakdown, but (VERY IMPLIED) SAMSUNG sais it sold 6000K units before Sprint/Verizon launched, and 1M after (supposedly as of early December figures.)
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I'm not sure what you are saying is implied here, but it seems to me that your saying that the Tab saw a massive jump in sales once the Tab launched on Verizon and Sprint. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever in either of those links that would indicate that IMO.
First of all, the Tab didn't launch in most of the rest of the world (UK included), until November same as the US. Secondly whilst those figures talk about worldwide sales, in relation to the US those articles talk about all 4 major US carriers, not just Sprint/Verizon , which obviously includes the two US GSM carriers.
Without firm sales figures region by region, and by device type (CDMA or GSM) it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions about Tab sales beyond simple units sold
All I am saying is that the focus is likely to be on GSM Tabs because it is a larger market, and there are *likely* to be many more of them in circulation that CDMA units.
In my experience on XDA, bounties tend not to work. If anything they further fragment an already fragmented development community. If you want to raise money for a development effort, a far better idea (IMO) would be to identify a leading developer(s) for CDMA Galaxy S devices, and offer to supply them with a Tab.
Regards,
Dave
Its because there's a lot more of us than there are of you. Simple. Also, the tab is very expensive across the globe, and the majority of those that buy it get it unlocked and unsubsidized.
Surley someone could make a rom that would not mess with the baseband of the phone and would support all of the tabs since they have the same cpu and ram exept the new 4g verizon one which is a bit faster
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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I feel like we're going to see more dev once the wifi-only version of the Tab is released. At CES a few days ago, while everyone was talking Tegra 2, Samsung announced the wifi-ony Tab and a few minor upgrades to the current Tab. That, along with their keynote where they heavily featured the Tab, and the multiple assertions from Google that Honeycomb would be backwards compatible for "a wide range of existing devices" makes me think that Samsung is committed to its device which has, (considering the price), sold like wildfire around the world.
As I was saying, once the wifi-only version comes out, the carriers will drop their prices for the Tab, and then more devs will probably snap them up and begin developing in earnest. Right now, the tab is at least $200 more expensive than the highest end phone, even when bought on contract, so the lull in dev activity when compared to those phones makes sense. I would say, just hang on to your Tab, great things are coming, both from the devs and Samsung.
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Exept to get the stuff from samsung you will have to mess with KIES (grrrrr - i own a mac and hate having to boot it into windows just to update the tab)
can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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can't the galaxy tab from sprint be rooted? I didn't understand that point.
I bought the sprint version of the SGT just because I wanted to use it wifi only.
I can see differences on this tab compared to others like I cannot see megavideos videos directly from the webpage, it will redirect me to another page, and I have to do some tweak to get it work, I think the other versions of tabs doesn't have this issue.
and btw, my sprint galaxy tab is rooted
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I watch Hulu from my tablet without s problem, I watch medavideos. My tablet no redirection, the page opening when you click play is due to megavideos they have a popup when you click play the first time. I have the sprint version as well
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