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LAN

Can I connect to LAN with my xda?

No.

you can do some fancy stuff with terminal services client, which will allow you to access some of the things on your LAN. Read the microsoft knowledge base about it - I don't know much about it.
Ben

Via Cradle and activesync you should be able to access the LAN.
I use it for browsing the world wide web.
Think other things will also work....
Regards
Stefan

Yes you can. Well .. sort of. I can perform terminal operations over LAN but haven't opened a socket for mail / IE yet. Please see:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/prutchi/xda_connectivity.doc
Cheers,
David

Hi there,
the link is broken! I cannot open the document!
But what about WLan? This should work, shouldn't it?
For example with the SanDisk SD-WLan card (about 129 Dollar/Euro) I-Net should be possible and with some smart utils the rest should work as well (well I don't know about that kind of smart utils but I hope to find things like that...)
What should seperate a XDA from a Lan?
regards,
McNugget

prutchi said:
Yes you can. Well .. sort of. I can perform terminal operations over LAN but haven't opened a socket for mail / IE yet. Please see:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/prutchi/xda_connectivity.doc
Cheers,
David
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Thanks David but the link is not working can you please double check if it's the correct link?
regards
Othman

McNugget
all sd wlan cards i know of demand SDIO
same thing with bluetooth cards and many other sd cards which are not just mem
xda dont support SDIO

hm.... damn.
I read about that but I thought there'll be other cards on the market
I hope they develop one in the future.
SanDisk wrote about SDIO and that their cards need it to work.
I hope to access WLan someday to receive my mails inside my university
THx
McNugget

LumpiStefan said:
Via Cradle and activesync you should be able to access the LAN.
I use it for browsing the world wide web.
Think other things will also work....
Regards
Stefan
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yo people, my first post.. ok i can jus bout use a pc lol! alright complete noobi here with this xda, how do u get internet on it on my system- i jus have broadband comming through a router, goin into 3 other pc's. what do i do from here? also ne of u know where can get free games..?
cheers for your help in advance! lol,
hacon

the only way a xda1 can connect to the internet using your broadband is
using the IR so the xda connects to the ir port if you got one
or having the xda in the cattle / usb connected to a pc
the only other way you can access the Internet is using GPRS which your telephone company must support and it's kinda slow and often expensive
here they have games
http://www.ppc4you.com/
though most are demo's because as a rule you
have to pay to play

cheers mate, i'll post another one if i have ne problems with that!
the site for games is pretty cool, but i think having a look on kazaa with a search of "pocket pc" might bring up some stuff aswell...
cheers again for your help, jus one little thing, i'm thnking about getting a keyboard for the xda so maybe it could be used to type with..? the official keyboard plugs straight in but there are many "universal" infra red ones and i am curious as to whether or not these might be slower because of IR or which one is better!? ne suggestions please on a decent keyboard for the xda that don't cost 90 quid !
hacon

[Q]Diamond as a modem

Hi there
Can anyone confirm the behaviour of the Diamond when being used as a modem and an incoming call is received i.e. is priority given to the inbound call and the data connection suspended? I plan to make considerable use (several hours per day) of the Diamond as modem but need to make sure I can still receive calls.
Much appreciated.
cheers
v.f.

Technically you can't use the Diamond as a modem, but rather you can use it as a 'Router' The way is works is that you initiate an Internet Connection on the phone itself using the 'Internet Sharing' application. This application will use the phone's modem to connect to the Internet and then share it out on a virtual LAN adapter for you. When you connect the phone to your PC, your PC will detect it as a 10 Mbps LAN adapter which would then be connected to your Gateway (phone) to the Internet. So in essence the phone acts as a Router for you. You don't 'dial' the modem connection from your PC as you would with most other phones.
Sharing with data isn't an issue with these newer phones. I can talk on my bluetooth headset while using the Internet connection. This depends whether your Telco in your area supports this multi mode capability or not, but nowdays it works almost everywhere.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.

I can only tell for TyTN, but this should not be a difference:
Receiving a call is possible, also when there is an active data connection.

Many thanks for that - it sounds like the device will offer the functionality that I'm after. I'll be on the "3" network - you don't happen to know if they support the multi-mode capability you mention do you?
Thanks again.

In fact, Internet Sharing + receiving/making calls + browsing on the phone itself all at the same time is possible.

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Many thanks for that - it sounds like the device will offer the functionality that I'm after. I'll be on the "3" network - you don't happen to know if they support the multi-mode capability you mention do you?
Thanks again.
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I've used my Touch Cruise on O2 UK and Vodafone UK and it works. However it still depends on area. I've once been in an area on Vodafone in which I only had GPRS coverage and then when a call came in it killed the data connection because it didn't support this multi mode.. however I only had this issue very very rarely so it's safe to assume that for a majority of the populated areas in the UK it's ok.
I've not used 3 before however I can confirm for you that the 3 Sim card will work in the phone because I've put 1 in before. (3 SIM cards are known to reject a lot of phones)
Hope this helps.
Cheers.

Cheers, that helps a lot. Even worst case if the data connection is dropped and the incoming call is given proirity then that is more desirable than the call being rejected (i.e. directed to voice mail).
I have a mobile broadband SIM from "3" that I'm going to put in there. The voice tariff isn't cheap, but I don't tend to make a lot of outgoing calls anyway - I'm more of a data user.
cheers
v.f.

hey Voodoo:
No problems
Do you have your Diamond already, if you do could you please help me to check this? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402453
Also, I've been told that a 3 'mobile broadband' SIM won't work in a normal phone? Not sure....
Why don't you port over to O2? Btw, I read that Orange has also launched HSDPA coverage in the UK...
I've been with Vodafone and O2 and generally O2 has got better coverage and provides more chances of an HSDPA signal getting picked up. Vodafone's coverage is just as good but with more areas giving 'GPRS only'. That just my personal observation. I take the train quite frequently and use the phone as a mobile broadband connection on board.
Cheers.

happyguy82 said:
Do you have your Diamond already, if you do could you please help me to check this?
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I haven't opened mine yet, and after reading about the battery life today I'm sad to say I'm thinking of returning it
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Why don't you port over to O2? Btw, I read that Orange has also launched HSDPA coverage in the UK...
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I'm on an 18 month contract with "3" at the moment, and by the time that expires there should be a lot more choice with respect to data packages hopefully.
cheers
v.f.

voodooflux said:
I haven't opened mine yet, and after reading about the battery life today I'm sad to say I'm thinking of returning it
cheers
v.f.
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The battery isnt really that much of an issue if you disable the gprs auto attach feature in schaps advanced config. I did it last night and my battery is still sitting at about 5 bars and thats with a good few calls, sending a load of sms's and about 30 mins of web browsing.
But i imagine that ill be charging it again tonight...not really a problem as my nokia n95 was the same....always charged it at night whether it needed it or not.

I believe the real test will come when one tries to use the Diamond with TomTom 7 installed as a navigation device in a car... bet by the time you reach your intended destination the battery would be dead.. even the Touch Cruise couldn't last half a day with that sorta usage.
It'll probably be wise to keep a 12v to USB adapter in the car handy.
Btw another 'weird' problem with the Diamond is that when I use it with my super mini low quality thin retractable USB cable, the PC doesn't detect it properly although the phone does prompt me whether I want to use it for Active Sync or Disk Drive... very peculiar.. the cable's worked fine for me with my Touch Cruise.... any idea?? I don't want to be carrying thick heavy cables in my laptop bag

happyguy82 said:
Btw another 'weird' problem with the Diamond is that when I use it with my super mini low quality thin retractable USB cable, the PC doesn't detect it properly although the phone does prompt me whether I want to use it for Active Sync or Disk Drive... very peculiar.. the cable's worked fine for me with my Touch Cruise.... any idea?? I don't want to be carrying thick heavy cables in my laptop bag
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Its probably the cable, your laptop probably doesnt like it so wont detect theres a phone attached. The supplied USB cable isnt that thick...i carry mine in my back pocket

Thanks Spawn12...
Supplied USB cable IS thick!! fat and stiff!!! not sure if we both have the same ones?? Mine appears to have nice metallic rouded edges plugs on both ends and the cable itself is greyish... round and quite thick... well thicker than a standard USB cable anyway...
point is.. it's not a 'portable USB cable'... if you know what I mean.. to me portable stuff means being as light, small and least bulky as possible while maintaining its functionality.

happyguy82 said:
Thanks Spawn12...
Supplied USB cable IS thick!! fat and stiff!!! not sure if we both have the same ones?? Mine appears to have nice metallic rouded edges plugs on both ends and the cable itself is greyish... round and quite thick... well thicker than a standard USB cable anyway...
point is.. it's not a 'portable USB cable'... if you know what I mean.. to me portable stuff means being as light, small and least bulky as possible while maintaining its functionality.
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Well i have mine in front of me and its the same one you have...maybe im not as fussy...it isnt exactly portable or as you said light, small and least bulky. I dont think ive read anywhere that the cable that comes with the Diamond is portable....perhaps try another portable usb cable and see if it works...could be that yours is duff.

Hahahah okiee... actually I find the original cable very beautiful and hence I'm just reluctant to take it out and use it coz I don't wanna get it scratched so soon
I'll look around for another mini USB cable that works...

happyguy82 said:
Technically you can't use the Diamond as a modem, but rather you can use it as a 'Router' The way is works is that you initiate an Internet Connection on the phone itself using the 'Internet Sharing' application. <some tekst is delete>
Cheers.
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I have to use my phone as a modem but I can't find out how to do it. Can some body help me.
KC

Compact IV and Palm
Just got a Compact IV on T-mobile. I would like to use the Compact as a modem for my Treo 680 and have tried various suggestions in this thread and others but with no success. Has anyone successfully done this with the Treo or any other Palm?

Can the treo get Bluetooth PAN connections?
This post is made while diamond is on HSDPA and Shared Internet via bluetooth on my laptop, ánd while diamond is calling customerservice (on hold-music ) ín my car through the Parrot
And still browsing at almost 1000kbit /s
It rocks

Riel said:
Can the treo get Bluetooth PAN connections?
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I don't know. Anyone else know?

my two cents for diamond rock, I use it to connect my eeepc 701 ubuntu 804 powered and I can receive and send calls during internet surf.

Bluetooth Questions/Issues

Considering the G1 doesn't have a standard 2.5 or 3.5mm jack for line out, stereo bluetooth was the only other option. who wants to use a retarded adapter on your headset??
Is there any way to add support for this later? It has to be a software fix, as WM didn't have Stereo Bluetooth until WM6. Any ideas?

You're about a month late discovering this one
I've heard that the Google devs are working on a new bluetooth stack that may support A2DP. I've been poring over so many forums lately, I couldn't begin to tell you exactly where. But even review sites say "...bluetooth (A2DP to come later)." When is anybody's guess.

"supposedly" there will be an update the same day it releases to add in A2DP support...

yeah ive heard of 2 updates after release or on release one major and the other not......but again who knows

rantrav said:
yeah ive heard of 2 updates after release or on release one major and the other not......but again who knows
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I hope the other update is video recording...
Oh well, this is STILL the best device T-Mobile has released since the HTC Wizard (aka T-Mobile MDA). And maybe add Outlook support w/ Activesync and Exchange. Well, that might take awhile but someother software might work just as well. Either way,
Does anyone know if word, excel, and powerpoint will work in some kind of fashion?

sino8r said:
I hope the other update is video recording...
Oh well, this is STILL the best device T-Mobile has released since the HTC Wizard (aka T-Mobile MDA). And maybe add Outlook support w/ Activesync and Exchange. Well, that might take awhile but someother software might work just as well. Either way,
Does anyone know if word, excel, and powerpoint will work in some kind of fashion?
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Im not too sure as to how great this source is....they said that there will one minor update and the other will big a big one with having to reset the device....so I really do not know I will try to find it tomorrow..i think that it was on the tmonews.com site...but i will look into it. if it is just a person then i wont post anything else about it but if it has some sort of source then i will be sure to post it.

sino8r said:
Does anyone know if word, excel, and powerpoint will work in some kind of fashion?
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So far, all they're promising is read-only for Office docs.

beartard said:
So far, all they're promising is read-only for Office docs.
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Even if we can install Docs-to-go?

Has DataViz put out an Android client?

G1 Bluetooth
I've asked in various stores and got different answers, so I'm hoping someone with a G1 can give me a definitive answer.
Will the G1 allow another device to access the internet over bluetooth??
Specifically I make a lot of use of my TomTom sat nav during the day, and I rely on it getting traffic updates over the web by bluetooth with my phone. Before I buy a G1 will this still work?
TIA
Dave

maybe?
For now no. maybe some one will develop

Poo, that means I have to still carry a PDA and a phone, I was hoping I could put both together by getting a G1.

You can get GPS Maps and Web access through your G1, so you wont need your TomTom. However, it wont be as detailed or have voice.

hotelier said:
You can get GPS Maps and Web access through your G1, so you wont need your TomTom. However, it wont be as detailed or have voice.
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YET!!! LOL

The hardware is there, but the software isn't finished yet. Right now the only thing Bluetooth can do in Android is connect to a hands-free headset. As I understand, Google is still working on the Bluetooth API and the other profiles will be enabled in a future software update.
Personally, I'm waiting for A2DP. Not a whole lot of point in loading a phone with music if it doesn't work with my headphones.

hotelier said:
You can get GPS Maps and Web access through your G1, so you wont need your TomTom. However, it wont be as detailed or have voice.
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We use our PDAs alongside our TomToms in vehicles, and to be honest I quite like having them seperate for various reasons.
I'll just have to wait for bluetooth internet then maybe reconsider my position.

drum said:
We use our PDAs alongside our TomToms in vehicles, and to be honest I quite like having them seperate for various reasons.
I'll just have to wait for bluetooth internet then maybe reconsider my position.
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I agree I like having separate devices. I don't like combining too many things into one object because you can't use them at the same time. I have a TomTom, a MP3/video player, and the G1 now... But I like the fact that when the TomTom is not up to date I can switch to the G1... and if I find myself without my MP3 player I can just use my G1. I like having the option but I don't use it on a daily basis.

TomTom traffic
I understand your concern as I have a similar problem. I have the Vario II and I have had a lot of trouble with it (WM6.1) connecting to the Tomtom traffic server. My case may be complicated by the fact that I ride (tomtom rider) and I cannot get the phone to fix things in the middle of the ride The problem started when Micro$oft changed DUP bluetooth connection and everything gets messed up. I was considering the android G1 as long as I can get the traffic service that I paid but I cannot use. And just to clarify, I do have a single tomtom unit which does the GPS and all the things. The phone is only to provide connection to the tomtom plus service.
I hope that comes soon.

flashing blue led for enabled bluetooth?
is there one? mine doesnt, yours?

Mine blinks when bluetooth is active... not sure if it's only when a device is connected or not but that would be nice to only see it when devices are connected.

SD BT and WiFi Lessons Learned on WM Side

I ported the complete registry entries from HTC Fuze to HTC Shift filling all the missing keys in Shift regarding BT, WiFi, SD and USB. This did not change the functionality of WM at all, i.e. it did not recognize any of those except the USB for ActiveSync, which is normal. No strange behavior. I compared the dlls that are references like SDMemory, btfsd, encfilt etc. They are similar. Now I wonder these things may be hardwired to the main MB instead of the WM side and WM is a daughter to MB something like a modem card. I may be wrong also. I am not giving up. I want to explore if I could use BT, WiFi and SD if vista is turned on. I know we could use SD Card as a network storage using totalcommander or any other tool if vista is turned on, but I want to use it as a local storage instead of network storage. I will keep you posted.
--Ram--

Gospeed to your work !
(Title should read: Godspeed to your work)
If anyone knows the address of one of the senior HTC engineers responsible for designing the HTC Shift,
we could then simply hold the guy hostage until he reveals his secrets.
Or maybe we can offer a bribe first, it would ease logistics of the operation.
Darn, our hybrid needs just a few more tweaks (SD,BT) to make it
reach it's full potential.
If the EC bridge controller is only powered when vista is active... we might
need some X-Box and/or PS hackers to take a look at the big picture.

lucid said:
(Title should read: Godspeed to your work)
we could then simply hold the guy hostage until he reveals his secrets.
I like this idea much better than bribing.
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If you discover any way to derivate the EC, tell me and Iùll investigate with you (even if I'm crawling under work now )

thaihugo said:
If you discover any way to derivate the EC, tell me and Iùll investigate with you (even if I'm crawling under work now )
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Sure, I will do that.

bios
a good thing to have ...
is a fully functional bios ...
we could see a lot and set a lot ...

Solding
I, for one, would be willing to solder a SDHC card straigt onto the WM MB.
If someone could point out the right place and contacts...
I know I might ruin the WM side, but I'm not using it much anyway, and I can acces internet via bluetooth and my phone, so... I'd be willing to risk it...
But hey,.... I'm crazy

HTC Debug tool
Has any one tried the HTC debug tool - BT test module on HTC Shift !!
BT test attached here

good idea, to soldering a SD Card on wm side. but without a hardware engineer how know where you must soldering.. And maybe you must enable that on MS7xxx Processor ?

Offline GPS Solution for Android? (no data plan needed, just like Windows Mobile GPS)

Ok...in order for me to keep Android on my Touch and not go back to Windows Mobile, there MUST be an offline GPS solution for Android. By that I mean GPS software that reads maps from the SD card and does not need a data connection on the phone at all; like TomTom does on Windows Mobile - it has all the POIs stored on the SD card (including their phone number) so I can get directions, look up numbers, and directly call businesses from the GPS app without ever needing any internet connectivity. I have a 16GB card, so storing maps of the whole USA won't be a problem....did it just fine in WinMo using TomTom...
So, does anyone know of a GPS application that can do this for Android? Having to connect to the internet for GPS maps (like Google maps) is just unacceptable, especially since GPS has been free through satellites for decades now. Bottom line - I just want GPS to work like it did on Windows Mobile...no data plan needed, and maps stored locally on the SD card. Easy and fast.
If this is not possible then it is very apparent that TomTom on WinMo is far superior to any Android GPS solution, and I will be forced to switch back.

MapDroyd......

http://www.mapdroyd.com/

mrkite38 said:
MapDroyd......
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it says you have to download the maps through another program called "ContentDroyd"...this defeats the whole purpose of making this work for phones without a data connection.

crobs808 said:
it says you have to download the maps through another program called "ContentDroyd"...this defeats the whole purpose of making this work for phones without a data connection.
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the newest version of contentdroyd will allow you to download them from a computer instead of through the phone. then you put the maps on sd.

mrkite38 said:
the newest version of contentdroyd will allow you to download them from a computer instead of through the phone. then you put the maps on sd.
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the latest version of ContentDroyd is still just an APK file, so how do you download them on your computer? IS there a public site that has the map files?
Also I read that any vector map format can be used in their compressed map format...does this mean I can use the nicer and more complete TomTom or Garmin map files somehow?

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the latest version of ContentDroyd is still just an APK file, so how do you download them on your computer? IS there a public site that has the map files?
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Sometimes you can find public sites, yes. I'm happy to post it if that's within the rules, I'll check. Then you use adb to install it.

mrkite38 said:
Sometimes you can find public sites, yes. I'm happy to post it if that's within the rules, I'll check. Then you use adb to install it.
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I can transfer files directly to my SD card over my USB cable, that is not the problem...I just need a site that has the map file. I can download and transfer them myself manually. Also - why would it be against the rules since the maps are freeware?
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Their site just has a list...no download links.
http://www.mapdroyd.com/map-android-more
This is so dumb, why are they trying to hide how to download it, even on their site, when they fully allow downloads thru your phone - makes no sense

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I can transfer files directly to my SD card over my USB cable, that is not the problem...I just need a site that has the map file. I can download and transfer them myself manually. Also - why would it be against the rules since the maps are freeware?
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Their site just has a list...no download links.
http://www.mapdroyd.com/map-android-more
This is so dumb, why are they trying to hide how to download it, even on their site, when they fully allow downloads thru your phone - makes no sense
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Sorry, I didn't mean the maps - I meant the newest mapdroyd and contentdroyd apks so you don't have to download them. You could then install those through adb.

Does the GPS even work well enough with warm donut? I have gotten it to work a few times, but most of the time it struggles to find a signal...

GPS works fine in mine. finally got GPS to work in RLS3 of myn's Warm Donut, but only after I installed GPStest and rebooted. Now I get locks in 30 seconds on a cold start
Anyway, I cannot find the SMD files for the UnitedStates, and if this thing doesn't even do turn by turn directions, then why was it made? Just so you can see a dot on a map? Whooptie do. Android is looking less and less attractive the longer I use it.

Ok I take it back, I just updated my radio to 3.42.5 and looks like GPS is working better than ever! Not sure about not having a dataplan as when I had Windows, it always made an internet connection at first?

seanmcd72 said:
Ok I take it back, I just updated my radio to 3.42.5 and looks like GPS is working better than ever! Not sure about not having a dataplan as when I had Windows, it always made an internet connection at first?
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No, that is my point...you never needed a data plan/internet connection to use GPS. GPS has always been free up until a few years ago when cell companies started tying data into it through what is called A-GPS (assisted GPS), and also so they could provide local 411 listings, etc. The GPS chip inside our phones works fine by itself to get directions, and do routing and turn by turn, etc (which is software based). No internet connection is needed to use GPS, and it shouldn't ever be.
Ok, my rant about phone companies muddying up true GPS is over...I fear that Android will never be as powerful a Windows Mobile was with GPS. People who think Google Maps and programs like Copilot are great GPS apps, have no clue what they are missing.

crobs808 said:
No, that is my point...you never needed a data plan/internet connection to use GPS. GPS has always been free up until a few years ago when cell companies started tying data into it through what is called A-GPS (assisted GPS), and also so they could provide local 411 listings, etc. The GPS chip inside our phones works fine by itself to get directions, and do routing and turn by turn, etc (which is software based). No internet connection is needed to use GPS, and it shouldn't ever be.
Ok, my rant about phone companies muddying up true GPS is over...I fear that Android will never be as powerful a Windows Mobile was with GPS. People who think Google Maps and programs like Copilot are great GPS apps, have no clue what they are missing.
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my experience tom tom and destinator both worked much better with agps. i used both

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crobs808 said:
Anyway, I cannot find the SMD files for the UnitedStates, and if this thing doesn't even do turn by turn directions, then why was it made? Just so you can see a dot on a map? Whooptie do. Android is looking less and less attractive the longer I use it.
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Android on the touch is a work in progress. It is a hobby by fueled by enthusiasts, and given that it has come a LONG way in a short time. You shouldn't expect things to "just work", but often they do. (and IMHO better than WinMo.)
Also you are trying to compare a commercial app (Tom Tom) to a freeware alternative (mapDryod). This doesn't mean that it is inferior, but you usually have to pay the cost in time instead of money. Learning and tweaking the application that might not "just work" out of the box.
If Android on the touch isn't working out for you, then feel free to jump in and help get things working. Trollish comments and demanding functionality on threat of dropping Android doesn't help anyone much.

mirth18 said:
Android on the touch is a work in progress. It is a hobby by fueled by enthusiasts, and given that it has come a LONG way in a short time. You shouldn't expect things to "just work", but often they do. (and IMHO better than WinMo.)
Also you are trying to compare a commercial app (Tom Tom) to a freeware alternative (mapDryod). This doesn't mean that it is inferior, but you usually have to pay the cost in time instead of money. Learning and tweaking the application that might not "just work" out of the box.
If Android on the touch isn't working out for you, then feel free to jump in and help get things working. Trollish comments and demanding functionality on threat of dropping Android doesn't help anyone much.
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I am not talking about "Android on the Touch"...I am talking about Android in general - NO Android phone in the world can have GPS that can even come close to matching WinMo's available apps. - no complaining here, just a fact now after my research.

incubus26jc said:
my experience tom tom and destinator both worked much better with agps. i used both
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better, hmm...yes technically - in terms of getting an initial lock (15 seconds with a data plan, or 30 seconds without data....big deal. once you had a fix it stayed fixed until you rebooted or went into an underground cave or something (came back the second you walked out). Anyway, I have my answer to my original post...might be back on WinMo in a week or so. Bummer.

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NO Android phone in the world can have GPS that can even come close to matching WinMo's available apps. - no complaining here, just a fact now after my research.
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Still trollish.. I for one find the tone of your posts to be unnecessarily aggressive, arrogant and unhelpful.
If you think that WinMo is better, maybe you should go back to using it?

mirth18 said:
Still trollish.. I for one find the tone of your posts to be unnecessarily aggressive, arrogant and unhelpful.
If you think that WinMo is better, maybe you should go back to using it?
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I have been 100% factual in my statements. Offline GPS routing and maps are not available like they are on WinMo.....that is what I wanted to know when I posted this thread, and I got my answer. I am sorry you don't like the answer.
Besides, I already said I might go back to WinMo in a week.