So much for any support from iNavCorp! Here is the time line of events which began with the opening of a Service Request with iNavCorp on Thursday, August 28th.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Description of Problem - I have Windows Mobile 6.1 on my AT&T Tilt Pocket PC. iGuidance recognizes my internal GPS, obtains signal lock on satellites without a problem, but does not automatically refresh the map. I know for a fact that this is not an issue between iGuidance and the devices\'s \'built in\' GPS receiver because the GPS Info screen displays in \'real time\' (speed/coordinates etc. all match up with movement and speed of vehicle). It appears to only be an issue with the map display, which will no longer display movement in \'real-time\'. It will capture a given map location and speed, and hold them until the screen is manually refreshed. I am familiar with the \'panning mode\' for the map, and am certain that it is not the issue as I am not viewing the map in panning mode. I see no updates available, other than your recent v4.02 update, which I have applied. The problem still remains. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated, as I am sure there are many others with this identical issue. I have paid good money for navigation software that is at this time, completely useless. I look forward to your prompt response. Sincerely, Jeff Spencer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~...followed by their reply, received late afternoon on Friday, August 29th
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi Jeff:
iGuidance worked fine w/ the built-in gps in HTC until recently after HTC released their new ROM w/ wm6.1. W/ this new ROM on your Tilt, iGuidance will now only work w/ either an external GPS, or w/ the built-in gps but by using the universal serial port driver provided through a 3rd party program such as GPSGate from www.franson.com instead. If you choose to go w/ the 2nd option, please note that the basic version would be sufficient.
Thank you and we apologize for the inconvenience.
Support Team
www.inavcorp.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~....and finally my reply to them
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The very reason that I picked up the Tilt was so that I would not be required to carry around additional components.
Thanks for what you ridiculously refer to as support.
To tell you the honest truth, I am now highly dissatisfied with iNavCorp and your product. I would expect at the very least (at least from a reputable company that stands behind it's product) a forthcoming patch, or work with the phone vendor to provide a patch, that would provide a no-cost universal serial port driver to correct the issue with your application. I now see how well you stand behind iGuidance and will invariably sell it off. Furthermore, as a Systems Administrator with [national company name omitted]., I will have no trouble whatsoever going out of my way to disparage your product and use this instance as an example as to just how poor the support is with your company and how inflexible your product is.
Furthermore, as a member of such forums as; GPS Passions, AT&T, and XDA Developers, I fully intend to post both my request for support and your reply, as stated below to each and every one of these forums and strongly urge others to do the same.
Honestly, did you see NVIDIA say "sorry" to Windows customers who had upgraded to Microsoft Vista? I don't think so. Stand behind and support your product, or face the backlash of the consumer.
Sincerely,
Jeff Spencer
Verona~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have made good on my words to iNavCorp. I now urge anyone else as irritated (perhaps mentally disturbed) as I am, to make their voices heard by opening service requests on their own. Sure we can install GPSGate on our devices, or purchase an external GPS receiver, but what kind of response is it from a company to direct customers of their product to do so!! As stated in my reply to them, would NVIDIA have told it's customers "too bad", but you can purchase something else because you chose to upgrade to Windows Vista and now our graphics card won't work as advertised? HELL NO!!!
...okay, time for me to grab a beer and cool off.
Regards,
Spence
Here is an update - iNavCorp's reply to me
Hi Jeff:
Please note that the incompatibility is not between iGuidance and windows mobile OS, but only between iGuidance and the HTC driver. Further, HTC's new ROM was released much later after iGuidance v4 was released, and being a small company, HTC will not be able to work us on our request. Our programmers have been looking at this issue and if a solution may be determined, we will make sure it's included in iGuidance 2009. If not, we will continue to include the incompatiblity w/ HTC on our website as we do now to minimize their inconvenience.
Thank you.
Support Team
www.inavcorp.com
My reply
iNavCorp,
Please excuse my error, it is indeed HTC and not AT&T's hardware, however HTC is far from the small company that you described as "being a small company, HTC will not be able to work us on our request".
HTC makes over 80% of mobile phones running the Windows OS. Please read up on HTC and educate your staff on this 'small company'.
http://www.htcamerica.net/about/default.html
I shall contact HTC and pursue this with them, and ask them why they are too small to work with correcting an issue with your product.
As for my chances of purchasing iGuidance 2009 if you can't support your current product? ...I'd say the chance of that is about as good as my chance at winning a write-in campaign for the 2008 presidential elections.
Thank you for providing me with another opportunity to post and ridicule your poor customer support.
Jeff Spencer
a second reply that I had received while typing my reply
Hi Jeff:
Please note that the incompatibility is not between iGuidance and windows mobile OS, but only between iGuidance and the HTC driver. Further, HTC's new ROM was released much later after iGuidance v4 was released, and being a small company, HTC will not be able to work us on our request. Our programmers have been looking at this issue and if a solution may be determined, we will make sure it's included in iGuidance 2009. If not, we will continue to include the incompatiblity w/ HTC on our website as we do now to minimize their inconvenience.
Thank you.
Support Team
www.inavcorp.com
My follow-up reply
I apologize for the terse nature of my prior message. I have just realized that I have mis-understood your comment about being a small company.
I believe the reply you had sent me (below) was worded in such a way that left the impression that you were referring to HTC as a small company.
I have later received a message indicating that you are working on identifying the incompatibility and provide a fix. I appreciate that, I really do, however please don't preach to me about not being able to be 100% compatible. iGuidance 4 was compatible with my AT&T Tilt, and now it is not. As a customer, I do not care, who made what driver change at what point in time. The fact of the matter, as your product, you are obligated to support it. Simply removing every device that changes from your list of compatible products will do little other than shrink your install base and alienate your paying customers.
I thank you for your attention to this issue, and look forward to an agreeable solution.
Jeff Spencer
Verona
I'm done for now. I am planning to contact HTC, to make them aware of the issue and ask if they can put one of their support team members in touch with iGuidance, but I've a 5 year old to put down for the night, followed shortly after by myself.
Cheers,
Spence
Joe has already corrected this.
Search iGuidance in these forums and you will find it.
cyjeff said:
Joe has already corrected this.
Search iGuidance in these forums and you will find it.
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Thanks cyjeff, I had done that, but hadn't seen anything recent. I must have been too specific in my search. I've checked iNavCorp's site and the now have the issue listed as an incompatibility that they are working on.
**** Note: iGuidance is incompatible w/ the new ROM released by HTC which enabled the internal gps chip. iGuidance will continue to work with an external gps receiver while using PPC6800/Mogul, but in order for iGuidance to work w/ the internal gps, user will need to download/purchase Franson's GPSGate (express or standard version) via http://franson.com/gpsgate/
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Regards,
Spence
Thanks again cyjeff!
It took a bit to find it, but after searching on "iGuidance" and "Joe", I've got Joe's work-around.
Here it is for anyone else stumbling upon this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=40
Thanks,
Spence
SpenceJT said:
Thanks again cyjeff!
It took a bit to find it, but after searching on "iGuidance" and "Joe", I've got Joe's work-around.
Here it is for anyone else stumbling upon this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=40
Thanks,
Spence
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You are welcome.
It works like a champ... I have used it myself.
Funny iNavCorp appears to have been out-done by an enterprising developer posting in forums!
I've installed the cab and am off to do some testing. I have no doubt it will work. I am thankful that we've got a forum such as this, where people can assist each other. I'll have to donate or send a 'cookie' to this "Joe" guy!
Regards,
Spence
SpenceJT said:
Funny iNavCorp appears to have been out-done by an enterprising developer posting in forums!
I've installed the cab and am off to do some testing. I have no doubt it will work. I am thankful that we've got a forum such as this, where people can assist each other. I'll have to donate or send a 'cookie' to this "Joe" guy!
Regards,
Spence
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Well, you can put them in the same boat as the guys from ATT, HTC, Microsoft and a multitude of other software providers that get "help" from the volunteers here.
Good luck getting any kind of real support from iNav. After spending a couple hundred on what they call "updates" which are minor bug fixes, I will never spend a dime on this company. When I purchased version 3, WM6 came out which was incompatible with this version. Instead of releasing a fix, iNav released version 4 which is no different than version 3 (slightly newer map), and charged $80. When I initially had problems with version 4 getting to work, I always got generic email telling me that it was either my phone or the OS i was running.
I am not even sure how many programmers they have. It might be a one person venture under the disguise of "Corp". If they are such a small company, they should not call themselves a Corporation.
actually, v4 is a big step forward w/ TTS. But with a big step backward by taking out the option to cut map.
BTW, where do you get 4.02 update and what's being update/fix in this release?
Did you guys also notice the single post in that thread about the DNS server change that also corrects the problem. There is another thread out there about this as well. If you change your DNS servers to Open DNS, vs using the default that ATT is providing, for whatever reason it fixes the issues w/ iGuidance. I'm still running 3.0.1 but planning on upgrading to 2009 when it's available.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention that, it's the route I went rather than the other options...using Open DNS isn't such a bad idea anyway.
Chris
Thanks This worked great for me. I will have to rethink my next iguidance purchase. I think they are going to force the ole' extra SD Card like garmin does.
AT&T plus iGuidance = Headache
verendus said:
Good luck getting any kind of real support from iNav. After spending a couple hundred on what they call "updates" which are minor bug fixes, I will never spend a dime on this company. When I purchased version 3, WM6 came out which was incompatible with this version. Instead of releasing a fix, iNav released version 4 which is no different than version 3 (slightly newer map), and charged $80. When I initially had problems with version 4 getting to work, I always got generic email telling me that it was either my phone or the OS i was running.
I am not even sure how many programmers they have. It might be a one person venture under the disguise of "Corp". If they are such a small company, they should not call themselves a Corporation.
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I agree so much with everything you said. I spent $69.00 on my program about 3 years ago and I'll never give them another dime. Thank God for Joe and if I had it to do over again, I'd buy CO-PILOT LIVE. What a nice looking program that is.
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Hi all,
I have been reading alot about the comments every one seems to making regarding the MDA Vario (unlocking or rom upgrading)
I have the latest unlocking including (CID) and i also have the latest upgrades too.
These are the full updated versions which will also change the country settings from other countrys to the full english version.
If required you can buy the cd's off me for a small price via paypal which will include full instructions with the unlocking software and upgrades, which all work 100% as i have done 14 so far with no problems.
This software will NOT change youe imei as it is against the law to do so.
you can pay me via paypal and leave your address in the comments section of your payment > £5.00 to [email protected] <
I hope this will help out some of you with problems.
Regards to all,
Jerry
What da f**k is this? Are you trying make money with the hard work of the genious of this forum?
GO AWAY. tHIS SITE IS NOT FOR YOU!!!
just too lame for words
dcoelho said:
What da f**k is this? Are you trying make money with the hard work of the genious of this forum?
GO AWAY. tHIS SITE IS NOT FOR YOU!!!
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I think you have a problem, i will post what i want i have forgoten more then you will ever know about mobile communications i have spent the last 27yrs in the communication world, i have worked for motorola, phillips , nokia, in hitech deparments.
You are more then welcome to visit my company here in the united kingdom so you can take it any way you want to, but think what you say before you engadge your mouth with your brain.
We also devolope software and hardware for the mobile world, and some ones software dont work we then fixit or recomend it not to be used at no cost you see we also do things for free.
So what have you to offer then! apart from rude comments which just shows to me your stupidity.
We welcome all genuine comments and we do reply to all emails here at
JKS Communications
So who are you! what do you know about cellular equipment proberly nothing i guess so why dont you keep reading your comics and leave those alone who know what they are doing.
For what i am offering as a sevice has abserlutly nothing to do with you so keep it out.
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just too lame for words
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And your comments to lame for words is this a adult site or is it run by kids!
If your comment wasent aimed at me then sorry for the reply, but if it is then it is no concern of yours if you want the software with a backup service then please ask.
There are people on this forum who are have bad problems with this type of equipment and paying a small charge for what is offered is really to cheap but we at JKS Communications are not to greedy as we have tested and tested again to make sure that every thing we sell is 100% because i can assure that alot of the upgrades and unlocking software isnt safe to use.
If you know anthing about mobile communications you would know this, i have 5 tech guys who work for me full time as we cover most makes on the market and currently have around 400+gig of firmware/software going back to the early tac units all the way to the present day also we have the latest equipment around which run into thousends of pounds, 27yrs i have been in the mobile communications world so i know what i am talking about.
Like i said at the start if your comment wasent directed to me then i apologise for the comments i have made.
And if it was then you are not interested in what i can offer then keep your comments to yourself please.
Regards,
Jerry (JKS Communications)
I just think it's funny that you came to a self help site, phishing for business. lol What's even funnier is, I bet everything on the CD is something that's found right in the forums. Even if it may not be the same things, it's probably something similar.
Mi|enko said:
I just think it's funny that you came to a self help site, phishing for business. lol What's even funnier is, I bet everything on the CD is something that's found right in the forums. Even if it may not be the same things, it's probably something similar.
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Hi,
Maybe so that most thing can be found on the internet but do they do what is claimed most dont.
And as fishing for business as you put it how can offering a service to help out those to who have tried out various software and are still having problems with phone's pda's ect which have a street price of around £375.
It seems to me that some find my offer affends if that is the case i will withdraw what i am offering and put the offer on my own website we just thought it would help out as most of the links are dead one's, and some of the programes offered for free are hacked and they do damage to your phone when used we know this as we have a lot of software that we have download for free and it is a waste of time.
As for the software being free on the net which is on the cd well the unlocking programe is and works 100% every time, but the main files for upgrading cost us money one of the files is a full version in english the latest microsoft windows v5 please tell me where i can download that for free not the simple rom update but the full Os system!.
Regards,
Jerry
Rippers !
A tipical ripper, this "company" JKS or whatever fancy name they choose.
Let's not get bothered by them
Maybe they even find some dumbo using their ripping service
Tough luck for the dumbos
Cheers
hrb
hrb said:
A tipical ripper, this "company" JKS or whatever fancy name they choose.
Let's not get bothered by them
Maybe they even find some dumbo using their ripping service
Tough luck for the dumbos
Cheers
hrb
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Well this is the funiest yet, how can you call me a ripper? and it isnt a fancy name eather it was formed in 1987 proberly older then you currently are, you dont live in this country according to your details and i can't see how you can pass comment when you have no idear to what you are talkin about you are a class 1 PRATT just go back to school.
Any way you also talk about " Let's not get bothered by them" well it seems to me that you are bothered if you dont want to have any of our services and what we can stand by, them MIND UR F * * K I N G BUSINESS
Have a nice day!
It's very sad to see that some nitwit takes free software from this site and tries to sell it. We see too many fricking a-holes on ebay doing the same thing.
someone will buy the cd that he claims can do most things that we cant and then post here......and the funny thing is the person will claim that he found how to this and that.
Same here to you!
GO AWAY. tHIS SITE IS NOT FOR YOU!!!
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Well this is the funiest yet, how can you call me a ripper? and it isnt a fancy name eather it was formed in 1987 proberly older then you currently are, you dont live in this country according to your details and i can't see how you can pass comment when you have no idear to what you are talkin about you are a class 1 PRATT just go back to school.
Any way you also talk about " Let's not get bothered by them" well it seems to me that you are bothered if you dont want to have any of our services and what we can stand by, them MIND UR F * * K I N G BUSINESS
Have a nice day!
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I don't think I could buy software from a person that uses the words "proberly" and "idear". . . Who's he think he is, telling others to "go back to school"? lol
igadgetman said:
It's very sad to see that some nitwit takes free software from this site and tries to sell it. We see too many fricking a-holes on ebay doing the same thing.
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Take a run and jump son, the software is not free if it was then i would offer it for free there is no problem there, So please tell me then know it all where i can get a 100% geuine version of windows ver 5 with the latest update for free!!! with a installation serial number.
I look forward to hearing from you!!!
JKS_COMMS said:
Take a run and jump son, the software is not free if it was then i would offer it for free there is no problem there, So please tell me then know it all where i can get a 100% geuine version of windows ver 5 with the latest update for free!!! with a installation serial number.
I look forward to hearing from you!!!
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The only thing with that is, anybody in this section of the forum already has WM5 preinstalled on their device. And we can just strip out whatever we don't want installed. I'm failing to see the benefit of anybody in the "Wizard" area of the forums buying WM5 from you. By the way, I'd also like to point out that normally, in any business, there's always some kind of customer service and professionalism. You may want to do some research into that. I know that, from most of my experiences, if you have a problem, the company gives you sympathy. If you disagree with a policy, most companies would at the very least apologize about the way things are. You, my friend, act as a douche for your company. Only, in this instance, you're flushing out business. ~sniff~ Ah, the smell of vinegar in the night air. . .
JKS_COMMS said:
Take a run and jump son, the software is not free if it was then i would offer it for free there is no problem there, So please tell me then know it all where i can get a 100% geuine version of windows ver 5 with the latest update for free!!! with a installation serial number.
I look forward to hearing from you!!!
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it spells "genuine", not "geuine"
So: back to school, ripper !
So JKS_COMMS, where exactly are you based ?
USA ? (Your Flag)
Albania ? (Your Provider)
UK - (Your e-mail Address is btinternet.com)
How long has your "company" been in operation ?
Are you UK VAT Registered ?
Is any of the software on the CD copyrighted / GNU licence etc ?
Also your a very new user here on xda-developers (under JKS_COMMS you only reg'd on 21-10-2006), only 6 posts (all of these in this thread) I doubt anyone is going to take you seriously.
Got to say this all sounds a bit fishy to me, do you really think ANYONE here with half a brain will send you a fiver - sounds like a bit of a scam to me so maybe this thread needs reporting to a MOD.
Filnet
igadgetman said:
It's very sad to see that some nitwit takes free software from this site and tries to sell it. We see too many fricking a-holes on ebay doing the same thing.
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What a pratt,
The software i hve didnt come from this site nor ebay as i dont have an account.
You are such a plank i can see now this forum has got A holes in it and plenty of them who can always pass comment well you can shove it, i got the software it's 100% perfect and works great but thanks to you bunch of upstarts who like to see other members suffer as the software you find on the net isnt that good thats why it is free.
All mine is 100% genuine
have a good one looser
filnet said:
So JKS_COMMS, where exactly are you based ?
USA ? (Your Flag)
Albania ? (Your Provider)
UK - (Your e-mail Address is btinternet.com)
How long has your "company" been in operation ?
Are you UK VAT Registered ?
Is any of the software on the CD copyrighted / GNU licence etc ?
Also your a very new user here on xda-developers (under JKS_COMMS you only reg'd on 21-10-2006), only 6 posts (all of these in this thread) I doubt anyone is going to take you seriously.
Got to say this all sounds a bit fishy to me, do you really think ANYONE here with half a brain will send you a fiver - sounds like a bit of a scam to me so maybe this thread needs reporting to a MOD.
Filnet
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Hi,
there is nothing fishy here all my software is 100% i had to pay for it which was more then a fiver, so i thought i would help some one out on here with support to help them get there mda sorted and running 100% so i didnt think it was to much to ask, but as you can see it is wrong of me to offer this software at this price so i wont it do not bother me.
Have a good one.
for someone with the vocabulary of a 9 year old, he sure does seem confident in his ability to produce working software. As for wm5 being pad for, it does NOT require a cdkey. OEM's that resell it sometimes (I have heard of one) that has added a cdkey to it to it and it was compared to a hardware id. As for a place you can find a full wm5..... everywhere?
Don't forget to read the "Announcement" ROM images will no longer be hosted.
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293
mtvn said:
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now
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Is it really funny 4 u?
But if someone else hosts it?
There are a lot of people out there with webspace (me incluis).... so....
or is this too simple of a thought?
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Is it really funny 4 u?
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Yes, I am. Because some peeps and probably you too, have already announced that they will not use any ROM from any site. They will only use the ROM from the "Master Cook" here.
Do you want to RLOL?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1135447&postcount=13
You can stop hoping and praying now because you won't get any WM6 update for the Wizard or any older model from HTC. Most people already know that, but you probably still hoping I have no problem of using ROM from any Cook from any site. What would you do now? Keep on using the old ROM or "eat" your words and start to use the ROM from the so called "Non-Master Cook"?
swartb said:
Don't expect an official update. This is the reply I received from HTC:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
Unfortunately we will not upgrade our current devices to include the Mobile 6 software.? However, there will be new devices out which will include the software.
Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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There's the whole reason M$ has made the request....so OEM's can sell new devices instead of providing upgrades to existing devices. It's all in how much profit can they make from those of us that like the latest and greatest.
mtvn said:
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293
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It's not only about the new Roms... This meant that everyroms will be taken down.... Man that sucks.....
mtvn said:
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293
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M$'s position is truely sad. Guess it is time to look for a phone that will run a version of Linux...
--M
By requesting to remove all roms from this site, M$ is basically killing this forum. People come here to test new updated roms on their phones. Now this really sucks. Now, is it possible to host roms elsewhere?
I'm Pissed
I guess I'll switch to a freakin symbian phone or ahh yes an IPHONE. This kind of crap really reminds me why I can't stand Microsoft! They are not just happy with getting our money.
we knew from the very start about MS totalitarian rule, of course we can work something out, like "we worked"(esp. the great ROM cookers) to make better, faster, and more stable ROMs than MS has ever made, maybe someone is already working out a plan, working around the "system", so that the whole forum will still be alive
I think the cooks must deside for themselves... if they want to place the roms elsewhere; there is no real issue... if they don't, I think it is going to be a less interesting board, the xda-developers, unfortunatelly.
But I think mickey$oft will hunt down every place where the roms reside, so....
I've never really liked Microsoft..*the only reason I don't run Linux is because my wife doesn't know much about it and we only have 1 computer now*..but it was bound to happen sooner or later. With things like people bricking the phones and the whole monopoly that Microsoft has. The only thing I hate is that Faria had upgrades planned for the 3.3.
But texasaggie, I couldn't bring myself to get an iphone. It cost too much for too little. I've just waiting around until a ppc starts to run Linux.
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I've never really liked Microsoft..*the only reason I don't run Linux is because my wife doesn't know much about it and we only have 1 computer now*..but it was bound to happen sooner or later. With things like people bricking the phones and the whole monopoly that Microsoft has. The only thing I hate is that Faria had upgrades planned for the 3.3.
But texasaggie, I couldn't bring myself to get an iphone. It cost too much for too little. I've just waiting around until a ppc starts to run Linux.
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I guess torrents is the way to go. Since new roms comes very quickly and people would be more interested in the newest ones, torrents should able to stay alive until the next rom release.
M$ can go F themselves. BT everything, rapidshare, yousendit, megaupload or host it in some Cayman Island server. [email protected]@rds each & every one of the corporations.
one of the best sites no the net
hands down, you guys helped me through thick and thin so to all of you, noobs and developers alike, thanks for saving my nuts!!
Maybe M$ is just mad vista boched out
There are many other ways to post the roms
Hope the cooks won't have to waste too much time playing hiding games instead of doing important work
i just downloaded all of them...lol little over 7GB worth!
Harsh words
Ok, I'm probably gonna get killed for saying something like this, but can't you guys give Microsoft a break?
First off, without Microsoft, computers wouldn't be where they are today, the internet wouldn't be as big as it is today and your Wizards wouldn't be around. Sure, maybe some other companies would have filled the void and developed their own programs and things, but it's hard for me to imagine the way Microsoft has gone about developing programs and then marketing them to every man and his dog being replicated by anyone else with the same degree of success.
There are other devices and mobile operating systems out there already. But how many of them can do all the things that a Windows Mobile device can? And how many of them do it as well as a Windows Mobile device?
We can shout at Microsoft all we like, and rip into them forever about wanting to get more money from us for buying new devices. But who really has control over their software? Can we download O2 ROMs direct from Microsoft? Do T-Mobile update their phones via Windows Update like Microsoft update Vista, XP, etc?
AKU's have been released to mobile operators, and new opearting systems (WM6) have been passed over too. It is up to the operators to adapt the software and release it to us, it's customers, or at the very least the device manufacturers.
Until ALL Windows Mobile devices get a lot more memory, and can support a whole host of drivers (that they'll never use but have to to be there to cover other devices), updated ROMs will only come from operators or handset makers. Microsoft provide them with the updates, and then go back to working on the next lot of updates or new system.
So maybe Microsoft is at fault for removing ROMs from sites like this. But the real fault, and something they should definitely look into, is the fact that the people who are able and willing to tweak and change their system to suit the hardware, aren't the people they're giving the software to.
I don't like it any more than you guys do. I've only been using the site for the last couple of months, and that's been a time of a lot of activity with all the excitement of WM6 ROMs popping up and also AKU3.3 ROMs released etc. I would love the site to stay open, so that the brilliant "cooks" in this community could continue their work and support us for free, while the people we paid just sit their doing nothing with Microsoft's hard work in updating the software. But I can also understand where they're coming from, and simply ask that you take a more critical view of the people most of us probably got our phones from (operators like O2, T-Mobile, Cingular etc.) before having a go at the people that provided us with fantastic, if slightly flawed, software that is still better than everything else that's out there.
If it wasn't, why would we still be using it?
P.S. Just give me time to my girlfriend how much I love her before you torture me to death?
Basically taking down the ROMs from this site means moving the whole development projects to the "underground"!
There will be always a site to download the ROMs, only the legal aspcet will change and become (even more) questionable.
Sad, but true
See you again on some of the other sites...
Cheers,
Jago
this was posted over in the hermes forum
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/xdadevs/
I for one have signed up!
I got this email back from HTC tech support recently, and I was curious if anyone else has seen anything like it. From the looks of it, there might be a chance of an official HTC video driver fix.
Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry
We here at HTC definitely understand your concern about being able to use your device to its full potential. In this case regarding the video rendering capabilities of your AT&T Tilt.
HTC has received similar feedback from other users and we are currently collecting examples to assist us in developing a fix. We request that you provide us with the following information about your device so that we can further investigate it. Please include:
• Your full name:
• Mobile number:
• IMEI:
• P/N:
• S/N:
• ROM Version:
• Details of issue:
Please provide a detailed account of the issue that you have experienced, which includes:
• Program used
• File size
• File format/encoding
• Resolution
• Video scaling (50%, 100%, full screen, etc.)
• Any other details that you believe to be relevant
We apologize if this issue has caused you any consternation. Please provide us with the above information at your earliest convenience.
HTC Technical Support
http://www.america.htc.com
http://www.htcwiki.com
http://www.cingular.com/support/
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thats definitly a new one...
I think we all need to fill this out. I will get wifey to write up an email with info. Only thing, does anyone know the orig. rom details When and if we do send these emails, we must not forget to put ORIG. info trom the ORIG roms. I have to find the info for the att rom.
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I got this email back from HTC tech support recently, and I was curious if anyone else has seen anything like it. From the looks of it, there might be a chance of an official HTC video driver fix.
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What specific email address did you send it to?
I just used the tech support form on their website (http://member.htc.com/CustomerService/CS_Mail.aspx). However, that email came from [email protected] .
I emailed last night, and I also got the same response.
i just did now...apparently they realize people are getting pissed...check my thread i created to try and make one big thread devoted to submitting issues.
I also just received this same response from HTC. I am filling out my form now and returning it immediately.
Keep your fingers crossed, folks...perhaps this is the proverbial light at the end of our dark tunnel?
Could somebody create a web-based form we could fill out with our respective info to mail to the proper HTC representative? Would make the process easier for all of us and allow HTC to gather as much data as they can, quickly. And trust me... they will get info, and then some.
wow this is awesome news!
lol right about the time we started setting up plans for a class action lawsuit, this happens.
coincidence?
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Could somebody create a web-based form we could fill out with our respective info to mail to the proper HTC representative? Would make the process easier for all of us and allow HTC to gather as much data as they can, quickly. And trust me... they will get info, and then some.
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I was just starting to do this, but looking at the email from HTC again...there's a tracking number. Looks like we'll each have to email HTC about the issue, so we can each get our own unique tracking number.
The more, the merrier!
Someone should create a stickied thread with information about how to get in contact with HTC.
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Someone should create a stickied thread with information about how to get in contact with HTC.
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Here's where I went to supply HTC with my rant...
Email HTC
I just detailed my disappointment with the device and this evening, I got this new response that everyone seems to be getting now.
Thanx.
With all respect, while this is better than "we hope we answered your question in detail", it still seems like a stall.
As detailed by Chainfire and others, one doesn't simply forget to employ video drivers. This was a concious engineering decision to release these products with no custom drivers. This data gathering is more like, "what application is causing this problem?" when it's really a base system problem. We should all submit a pointer to a common benchmark program and it's results comparison to older products.
Hey guys, I just got his email back too. I need the AT&T Tilt ROM info though, because I'm using a different ROM. Can someone provide the details for the other roms so we can fill these forms out?
I just said AT&T shipped ROM. I am sure they will understand, but that number would be nice to have.
AT&T Tilt ROM Info
Here is the AT&T ROM information from my AT&T Tilt:
ROM version: 1.57.502.2
ROM date: 08/25/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocoal version: 22.45.88.07H
Why is HTC asking for particular software causing the issue? I also wanna fill this form, but which software should i write is making this issue?
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Why is HTC asking for particular software causing the issue? I also wanna fill this form, but which software should i write is making this issue?
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Windows Media Player. If you say you're using a 3rd party application, then they will say that's the problem. Or maybe even better, say you used multiple media players
/edit: of course you can also mention PIE, every game, etc.
This is the email I sent them. Does it sum up all the main problems?
"I purchased a brand new AT&T Tilt not too long ago. I had to exchange it 3 times due to poor video playback quality, an extremely unresponsive camera, the slowest scrolling on Pocket Internet Explorer I have ever encountered, and Bluetooth that sounds worse than any Bluetooth phone I have ever used. I now realize that the phone was shipped like this on purpose.
I have been a loyal customer since my first purchase: The Cingular 8125. I then purchased an AT&T 8525. Both of these phones were great. The Tilt is a great phone but it has some serious bugs. I will continue to support HTC, but please, why would you release a Phone that is claimed to be the most powerful phone on the market when it clearly is not?
Best regards, Eric"
Hi all
Anyone out there come across any FAXing utility that actually works on the Kaiser? I have tried both Mfax and TrueFax and neither work. Now, I mean true faxing utility using the phones radio not Faxing via internet.
Thanks, Kyri.
I always thought that was carrier dependant. If I remember correctly when I used to in the past long ago with Cingular I was only able to when I had Circuit Switched Data (CSD) enabled on my account that alloed my phone to be used as a dialup modem. But I haven't seen Cingular/ATT offer that service for some time now. Not sure about other carriers.
Please refer to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380509
Hi guys
Thanks for the feedback, I checked out the threads, but other than confirming that others have had the same problems, not much help.
Even after enabling CSD, there is a need for FAXing software that works on the Kaiser.
I questioned Trufax support and here is their answer…
Unfortunately we cannot support the WM 5.0 / 6.0 Pocket PC Phones at the moment. The problem is that we need technical support from the respective device manufacturers and this support is not given at the moment. We were working together with High Tech Computer for their devices (MDA, XDA, i-mate, etc.) but this was only for WM 2003 OS and they stopped supporting us with WM 5.0 cause faxing was not an issue of importance for HTC and the net providers anymore.
(another round of applause for HTC I guess. Shame on you for laughing at me, again. I will take my money elsewhere next time. I have noticed over the past year that the professional end Nokia phones are looking good and getting better all the time.)
Regarding Mfax, well that software just locks the phone a reset is required, hmmm!
So please the question remains, Does anyone out their know of any FAX software that actually works on the phone (CSD aside that is)?
Thanks, Kyri.
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Hi guys
Thanks for the feedback, I checked out the threads, but other than confirming that others have had the same problems, not much help.
Even after enabling CSD, there is a need for FAXing software that works on the Kaiser.
I questioned Trufax support and here is their answer…
Unfortunately we cannot support the WM 5.0 / 6.0 Pocket PC Phones at the moment. The problem is that we need technical support from the respective device manufacturers and this support is not given at the moment. We were working together with High Tech Computer for their devices (MDA, XDA, i-mate, etc.) but this was only for WM 2003 OS and they stopped supporting us with WM 5.0 cause faxing was not an issue of importance for HTC and the net providers anymore.
(another round of applause for HTC I guess. Shame on you for laughing at me, again. I will take my money elsewhere next time. I have noticed over the past year that the professional end Nokia phones are looking good and getting better all the time.)
Regarding Mfax, well that software just locks the phone a reset is required, hmmm!
So please the question remains, Does anyone out their know of any FAX software that actually works on the phone (CSD aside that is)?
Thanks, Kyri.
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I don't want do be annoying but your question belongs to the software section and should therefore be asked in the thread I mentioned above. Why opening a redundant thread in the wrong section?
Hey (not so) deep thought. Wrong section may be, redundant only with hind site. Rude yes, Annoying certainly! unnecessary definitely.
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Hey (not so) deep thought. Wrong section may be, redundant only with hind site. Rude yes, Annoying certainly! unnecessary definitely.
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I just stated my opinion. You are attacking me personally, so everyone can decide for himself who is rude. But continue your redundant thread in the wrong section. I don't have to read it anyway and maybe you can flame with the mods. I'm not available for that ****.
eFax on wireless
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Hi all
Anyone out there come across any FAXing utility that actually works on the Kaiser? I have tried both Mfax and TrueFax and neither work. Now, I mean true faxing utility using the phones radio not Faxing via internet.
Thanks, Kyri.
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How about eFax?
Hi Cushcalc
Thanks for the efax link. It’s not quite what I had in mind. See I travel lots, go for months without needing a fax and then along comes a need to use fax for a couple of weeks until something else is arranged.
So I don’t want to start an online service and have the overhead/time/think about keeping up the subscriptions for months until I next need it.
Ideally I want to send/receive faxes via radio direct without all this overhead, you know satisfy the need for those couple of weeks and then forget about it till next time.
Mfax and TrueFAX have the right idea. It seems at least for one company however, that the non disclosure policy of HTC has basically prevented them from upgrading their products to run using Windows Mobile version 5 and 6. Sad and petty on HTC’s side I think. From my perspective, well no one likes a bully do they.
Regards
fax
do any of these programs help?
http://www.mobilefan.net/Pocket-PC.nsf/Download-Free-Software/Printing-Fax
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So I don’t want to start an online service and have the overhead/time/think about keeping up the subscriptions for months until I next need it.
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Well, I made an eFax account something like 3 years ago for fun, never used it, and it still exists and I receive a reminder email about it every few months. I wouldn't consider that as having to spend time to keep it up...
I remember sending a fax with an HTC device, but it was indeed still on PPC2003 with my BA a few years ago.
And I'm pretty sure the software vendor you mention is a bit quick at blaming HTC, they could as well get the WM5/6 API info from Microsoft.
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I don't want do be annoying but your question belongs to the software section and should therefore be asked in the thread I mentioned above. Why opening a redundant thread in the wrong section?
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Perhaps you should let the mods decide what belongs where.
I too have had problems finding a suitable solution for faxing on my Tilt... AND editing the PDF format I get the faxes in...
You can at least receive faxes on your phone by email with Ringcentral.... I havent found a good email to fax program that might be the best you can do
I am trying to get Touchdown pro to sync with my work exchange server but I keep getting caught in a endless loop of sync. When I view the logs I keep seeing "Exception: cannot get IMEI number". Has anyone else had this problem with Touchdown Pro on their g tablet? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide me on this one.
This exact same thing is happening to me, wow. Just Googled it and you showed up.
Looking for a fix... the app looks like it'd be so sick for the G-Tab...
So since this is a WIFI only tablet with no radio it seems to me the device simply cannot have an IMEI.
So maybe we could spoof it somehow? I'm looking for an app.
It seems really weird to me that Touchdown needs an IMEI to sync. Especially when the native Exchange support for Android works fine on this tablet. Ugh.
Yeah I am lost on this one. Touchdown Pro says it will work on ALL android tablets so I have to think there is a work around here.
Well especially since they went out of their way to make a "tablet mode"... grrr. So frustrated, I really want it to work.
Either app-side or spoofing IMEI.
I emailed support, but I suspect it wont get fixed till the next release. I would be interested in a work around. I do have the stock email working fine but touchdown wont work.
I need my subfolders....
Plus it looks great in tablet mode.
Do we even know for sure if the g tablet has an IMEI number? If so, where do we find out what it is?
Afaik a device has no use for an IMEI without a cellular radio.
Then the question becomes, is there a way to turn off or disable the part of Touchdown Pro that looks for the IMEI? A few people have said that they have been able to get Touchdown Pro working but yet no one is saying how they have been able to do so.
And clearly this is a hurdle they would have had to get past... grr. Stupid devs for implementing this "feature."
I have been chatting with tech support, they want a log file after the connect fails but I am unsure where to find that in Touchdown. Any ideas where to look?
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I have been chatting with tech support, they want a log file after the connect fails but I am unsure where to find that in Touchdown. Any ideas where to look?
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From support:
Hi Richard,
I was able to look into this today for you and found that the Wifi only devices do not connect for the very reason you suggested, there is no IMEI number. Our developer will be in sometime in the next week or so. We will be conferring with him about this but in the meantime, you are correct. There is no way for us to connect on a Wifi only tablet at this time. Would you mind checking in with us now and then to check the progress?
Regards,
Kerri
I love it.... their developer "will be in within the next week or so". So I am guessing it will be at least a month until we have a fix for this from Touchdown Pro. I guess we are back to option #2 figure out a way to spoof or bypass the line of code that looks for the IMEI number. By chance would anyone have any suggestions on how to do this?
As a side note, I guess it is safe to assume that all of the folks claiming to have Touchdown Pro working on their G Tablet are just full of shi.....
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I love it.... their developer "will be in within the next week or so". So I am guessing it will be at least a month until we have a fix for this from Touchdown Pro. I guess we are back to option #2 figure out a way to spoof or bypass the line of code that looks for the IMEI number. By chance would anyone have any suggestions on how to do this?
As a side note, I guess it is safe to assume that all of the folks claiming to have Touchdown Pro working on their G Tablet are just full of shi.....
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Or have run something that pushed a 'fake IMEI' to one of their sqlite DBs... so would be nice if we could figure out which and format of a valid IMEI...
EDIT: turns out the IMSI is in DB... the IMEI is read via RIL from Hardware... thus not something that can be changed in a typical way...
They asked me to email them in the beginning of the week for an update. I think they are concerned about it not working. Wifi only tablets are not going away & its in their best interest to make it work.
Well, it looks like we should start looking at another solution. I guess if we dont have a 3G tablet, it wont work.
Hi Richard,
I talked to the developer and this issue is not on our roadmap in the near future. They may be looking into it sometime in the next quarter, but at this point, it is not something they are actively working on. I’m very sorry.
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Well, it looks like we should start looking at another solution. I guess if we dont have a 3G tablet, it wont work.
Hi Richard,
I talked to the developer and this issue is not on our roadmap in the near future. They may be looking into it sometime in the next quarter, but at this point, it is not something they are actively working on. I’m very sorry.
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We were planning on purchasing 100+ licenses for our sales group's wifi-only tablets. I'll be sure to let them know they lost a large order...
I just emailed the following to NitroDesk support:
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Dear Support,
It is my understanding that your product does not support WiFi-only Android tablets. I am a member of XDA Developers, a large community of mobile device developers. I read a recent posting on the XDA forum where a member of your support team stated that adding support for WiFi-only tablets is “not on the roadmap” and will not be supported in the near future.
This is a huge mistake on your part.
As the Vice President and Information Technology Manager of a large community Bank, I am responsible for the procurement and implementation of all technology. We recently deployed over 100 WiFi-only Android tablets to our Board of Directors, sales force, and lending group. I have always been a fan of TouchDown, but your apparent disregard of an obvious flaw in your software has left me with no choice but to abandon your product. I was planning on purchasing 100+ licenses of TouchDown for our tablets, but since your product is completely broken I will instead purchase 100+ copies of DataViz’s RoadSync application. RoadSync not only works on WiFi-only tablets, but is also half the price of TouchDown.
I wish your company the best of luck as you lose yet another large customer of your product due to your misguided management and development teams.
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I got a fast response back from NitroDesk support. Richard, maybe you can contact Goutham and let him know who gave you the inaccurate information???
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That is not true anymore, things have changed perhaps since that posting, our latest beta is now designed to work even without an IMEI number (lack of which was basically the issue with Wifi only devices).
While it may take a while for us to push that to the market, it is definitely something we are not walking away from.
the beta is available here : http://groups.google.com/group/nitrodesk/web/installing-the-latest-beta
While I am not sure I may not be able to get you to try touchdown over RoadSync, i do appreciate you making the effort of checking back with us.
We are working on a lot of new exciting MDM/security/policy related work at this time, that the ETA for this hitting the market itself may be a couple months.
Thanks and regards
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Goutham Sukumar
NitroDesk Inc
PS: Mind pointing me to that post ?
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