Hi everybody!
Why should be the device bricking fun limited to brother Raphael?
Android runs on Raphael
HardSPL is being worked on
Sounds promising?
Unfortunately I know little about how far the Xperia diverges from the current HTC branded lineup, hardware-wise.
Could some knowledgeable people share their opinion about porting Android onto Xperia e.g:
Booting linux (SD, MSM7200A vs MSM7201A ...)
Display (~ Blackstone?)
Keyboard (~ Raphael?)
Touchscreen (~ Blackstone?)
Cellular radio driver (~ Raphael? US / Asia / Eu?)
Wifi, B/T (~ Raphael?)
Buttons
GPS (~ Raphael?)
MSM7200A "3D" acceleration, FM radio?
Potential show stoppers?
Thank you!
UPDATE:
I extended the Xperia wiki page with some specifications (because alot of... strange... specs are floating on the web)
Yea that would be awesome to have android on this super bad @ss hardware. We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
romeo0119 said:
We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
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yeah that is true .. hopefully oli, comnex, itsxda, or tom condon are working on something or atleast plan on doing one for this phone ...
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
Scribe said:
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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Where did you get this info?
cheers
Scribe said:
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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I thought the 2700G was an intel accelerator, the one used on the Dell Axim? I might be completely worng, Ati might have the same model numbers, I don't know.
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
xmoo said:
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
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Wahey! nice one Xmoo
Very nice information, please keep us updated!
wow allready?? sounds sweet. But how did you flash it onto the phone?
ill buy the x1 only if andriod fully works?! because this combi will rock i hope any1 know what how en when?
Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
So it will always be somewhat limited...anyway, will be nice to try it out. I dont think there is an Anroid only ROM yet, afaik all the running Android versions on WM phones have to be started through WM.
toxical said:
Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense.
echofloripa said:
This statement just doesn't make any sense.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
toxical said:
What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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He's probably right. Android itself is just an OS/platform and it's has no limit on what kind of touch panel you use.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know the G1 hasn't got multitouch. The captive touchscreen will most likely support it however this feature has yet to be implemented. As far as the avrage consumer concerns, it does not support multi-touch. Hence stating that android needs full multi-touch capability to work properly would be wrong, as I and probably you too consider the G1 fully functional.
well the screen DOES support multi-touch and the apps will come sooner or later.
Anyway, didnt want to spoil the fun, would also love to check that out, just wanted to point that out.
Got My Phone!!!
xmoo said:
Got My Phone!!!
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get on with it then, watchawaitinfor
ahh, I can't wait till the android comes out on this phone. Hope the porting goes smoothly.
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hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
scorpio2008 said:
hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
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This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
FalkenX said:
This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
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Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
reborg said:
Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
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Drivers and specs? Dude, please learn something about Andriod, its totally different as WM, so with a driver or some tweaks it is impossible to run on a WM phone, you would have to rebuild the whole os which isnt an opperation similar to cooking a rom..
have a read in the android dev forums. I think the SPL is different, but may be wrong. So i don't think it's as simple as just using an nbh (which is a pity).. The g1 is also a HTC device.. some of the guys on the G1 forums would explain exactly whether it was possible or not..
However there is continual development on building android for current devices, including a thread in this very forum.. See Xmoo for details..
Yeah, emulating another up-to-date OS...just think of all the the 15years old gameboy and NES-games that are still slow when they are emulated under Windows Mobile.
The only possibility would be to not emulate Android but boot it instead of Windows Mobile...but I don't think the hardware is built for this so you won't get everything to work as it's meant to be.
By the way...Android is ugly in my opinion.
i think it must be possible.....
cause the Magic has the same chipset like touch HD and so the hardware should be very similar.....
i know a guy who was flashing a symbian OS on an Sony ericsson W810i and it runs..... extremely slow but it runs.
i think the only thing would be the different display resolution...... and some driver things but i have no skills in programmng so dont ask me xD
Err...........
It is possible and even i the case of Vogue CDMA, most functions are working
Diamond and Raphael has managed to boot Android 1.0 and even get the radio working (though no bluetooth, wifi, 3G nor sound yet) so sending SMSs is possible and so is making calls, though you can't hear anything because there is no sound yet.
Blackstone also recently managed to fix the screen issue...
I'm sure there are more projects going on, but it's definitly possible to run Android on WM devices
Well I've got 1.0 booting on the x1.. Unfortunately I havent got the touchscreen working just yet... the onscreen keyboard does, not the screen.
I will work on it when I get a chance, but my linux box is at work, so experimenting is best when I get a chance there.
Screen colours are perfect, the screens still upside down though..
I'm still learning about how this works, but I'm learning quickly..
as to the talk of emulators, this isn't emulation..
The ROM of the HTC HERO is already on XDA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533808
The HD and Hero share some hardware so ...
What would be the problem when porting the Android HERO ROM to the HTC Blackstone.
Does anybody think that it will be possible to run it on the HD in the future?
No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.
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No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.
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That's why I said that they share "some"of the HW..
(I read almost all the android topics and the forum search function did not work today..)
1] This indeed seems to be a problem also in the first attempt by xmoo and others
2]Tuxhero has moved his android porting work to http://www.androidkernel.org/
I think that the most difficult part is to have at least an Android version running on HD. Any version. Afterwards will be more simple to have any android flavor on HD.
So keep the finger crossed for tuxhero.
Same specification doesn't mean they run exactly the same hardware. Display controller might be different, various controllers are different (and so are the registers), it's not as easy as people might think when it comes to porting OS to different devices. I see this as a common misconception and people usually don't (or won't) understand until they go through it (which obviously usually they don't as they prefer someone else does the things for them).
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Same specification doesn't mean they run exactly the same hardware. Display controller might be different, various controllers are different (and so are the registers), it's not as easy as people might think when it comes to porting OS to different devices. I see this as a common misconception and people usually don't (or won't) understand until they go through it (which obviously usually they don't as they prefer someone else does the things for them).
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I couldn't agree more..
I would like to be able to programme it myself, but it's an illusion to finish it before 2012 ...
I'm not really interested in Android, but the TouchFlo3D "Sense" is astonishingly amazing and i really hope to see that feature ported to the Blackstone..
The fact that you need to have the knowledge about linux kernel (plus phenomenal programming skills of course) is probably the hardest thing in porting android. Besides, blackstone isn't as affordable as other devices are, so to have people who really are committed to porting android would probably be a big bless.
There was one time when I actually thought about selling my blackstone and get G1/Magic instead..
This will be great!
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVdcStE9po
This will be great!
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVdcStE9po
dosari666 said:
I'm not really interested in Android, but the TouchFlo3D "Sense" is astonishingly amazing and i really hope to see that feature ported to the Blackstone..
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I may be wrong but I think the Sense UI is android based...
sosojerk said:
No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.
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What are the hardware differences then? I guess that would be step one of porting... How can you write drivers or search for drivers if you do not know what your looking/programming for?
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There was one time when I actually thought about selling my blackstone and get G1/Magic instead..
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On this moment this thought is still in my head, a HTC Hero or even an Iphone.
checkeys said:
On this moment this thought is still in my head, a HTC Hero or even an Iphone.
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Though i fight for HTC's, last night a friend with a iphone 3gs came to me and started telling me how great it is etcetc. So i told him to make a small demonstration.
The first thing he did show me was the installer and cydia, where tons of people write apps and stuff and oh boy i was impressed.
Next thing he showed me was a app called shazam, it was a small app that could recognize every song that it could hear so i was impressed as well. ( installed a wm6 version of it on mine and didnt work nearly good as it did on iphone )
Scrolling is great, its ui is great, everything runs really smooth and i kinda miss that feeling.
Now if they do write a turn-by-turn gps app like destinator or igo, i am dumping my blackstone in like seconds.
Sorry but it feels that way
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Now if they do write a turn-by-turn gps app like destinator or igo, i am dumping my blackstone in like seconds.
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iGO will release soon their iGO My Way for iPhone.
But don't dump your backstone just yet. There are still fundamental limitations in iPhone that I couldn't live with.
Your are bound to iTunes, movies all need transcoding (iPhone lasks mass storage for USB apart from HD and for movies you need tools to convert them for iPhone), you are bound by apple accesories (like in house connectors while HD has mini USB). and if I dig more I can found many more things that are not so cool about iPhone (no ROM development like for Hd that gives you some real new things).
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Next thing he showed me was a app called shazam, it was a small app that could recognize every song that it could hear so i was impressed as well.
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Shazam MusicID is also available for WM, I have it om my MIRI 6.5 ROM and it works perfect.
You can find it on piratebay, in one of the threads, and it is also included in Dutty's ROMs.
checkeys said:
Shazam MusicID is also available for WM, I have it om my MIRI 6.5 ROM and it works perfect.
You can find it on piratebay, in one of the threads, and it is also included in Dutty's ROMs.
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Like i said, i installed musid id on my hd, and i had them next to the iphone trying to identify the same songs and it had a success rate of 50%
Very possibly the most useless reason to get an iPhone I have heard so far...
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Like i said, i installed musid id on my hd, and i had them next to the iphone trying to identify the same songs and it had a success rate of 50%
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Then I show you these things:
- You can ask your friend to watch a video clip on youtube and you'll be proud of your HD.( HD is high definition and larger screen, faster than Iphone, I'm sure)
- Ask your friend to take a photograph and compare
- Compare with your friend how many application he can get with Iphone?
- Try to utilize your GPS speed
- To me, HD is for high class man and Iphone is for women
- Moreover, Iphone has exclusive Multi-touch right? But you can zoom by double touch . Ask your friend how inconvenience in terms of exchanging files ( connect to cable, go to Iphone center.) How convenience when you have a bluetooth
How can you fight for HTC when you dont know what are the strengths of its??!!
Alright people, after some litle research, i have found out that Android currently boots on HTC Touch Cruise ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64LYnTxhj44 ). HTC Touch Cruise is using the same processor as the HTC Touch 3G, Qualcomm MSM7225. So is there a way we can port the version from Polaris to Jade ?
C'mon people, lets start a project, as i see many PDAs out there can now successfully boot Android, lets not leave out our wonderful Jade...
WE WANT ANDROID !
Unfortunately htc touch cruise (polaris) has the msm7200 processor like the kaiser. The newer one (iolite) has the msm7225.
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Unfortunately htc touch cruise (polaris) has the msm7200 processor like the kaiser. The newer one (iolite) has the msm7225.
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hhmmmm...i see, didnt realise that there was a previous version. But c'mon, no one knows how to port android to MSM7225 ?
HTC tattoo
I am also looking for ages for some android port to the MSM 7225. Now, finally, an android device similar to the Jade is coming out before october!!
And for all the people saying 320x240 is too small for android, well, the Tattoo seems to do fine with that..
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/htc-tattoo-aka-click-brings-android-sense-ui-to-all/
Now we just have to wait for someone porting that android ROM to Jade..
help?
EDIT
oh and here's already the HTC official site! http://www.htc.com/www/product/tattoo/specification.html
At least android for msm7225
now it seems almost sure that at some time we will have the opportunity to run android in our phones.
oooh I CANT WAIT !
Definitely count me in as a tester !
Yeah, it will run on 320x240. But as far as I know most apps are designed for higher resolutions. So it won't be really useful.
It seems that HTC is releasing a new device based on the same processor as our jade, with Android and 2.8 screen, HTC Tattoo. Maybe there is still a hope on seeing a port to Jade
Hello ,
Have You news of this possibility "Android for HTC Jade"?
I think our phone isn't popular enough for developers to work on a port for our phone, I can't find any signs that someone is working on a port. Let's hope this changes fast!
i really hope so too, cant wait to play around with android on it !
@StewieTux
hi
u really have a point here yes our phone isnt popular and for ur info
ppc geek does not have a forum for us and it has every other HTC phone old and new but not ours even after me asking so many time now i days i don't visit the site
so i really dought if well get android unless one of our great cooks decides to do some thing regarding the same
but count me in to test any ROM for our great jade i love this phone man
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I think our phone isn't popular enough for developers to work on a port for our phone, I can't find any signs that someone is working on a port. Let's hope this changes fast!
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Yeah I'm afraid we just have to wait till the release of the tattoo , I lost hope for a quicker solution...
if it can work on gene why not jade
hi
see below link android is working on gene(my last phone was a gene it has 200Mhz proc) which is a much less powerful phone than the jade so i dont see why not for us so dont lose hope maybe wer just waiting for a smart cook to put his time and do it for us
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496692
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hi
see below link android is working on gene(my last phone was a gene it has 200Mhz proc) which is a much less powerful phone than the jade so i dont see why not for us so dont lose hope maybe wer just waiting for a smart cook to put his time and do it for us
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The problem isn't the power of the phone, it's the type of the processor and the screen resolution. However there is still hope, Android 1.6 SDK is released and supports different screen resolutions! =>> http://developer.android.com/index.html
Hi,
I was browsing around and found a new HTC phone with Andriod 1.5 (yet to be launched). The phone is called HTC Tattoo. Refer to the following link:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_tattoo-2932.php
The hardware of this phone is almost similar to Jade ..... Same processor and screen resolution.
Look at the comparison below:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2526&idPhone1=2932
If Andriod 1.5 is possible in that phone, I am sure it can be ported to Jade. I am just wondering about the few more hardware buttons and higher ROM.
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The problem isn't the power of the phone, it's the type of the processor and the screen resolution. However there is still hope, Android 1.6 SDK is released and supports different screen resolutions! =>> http://developer.android.com/index.html
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Looking forward to test this and share my feeback
With pleasure, kindly count me on your testers list
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genes resolution is same as our jade and we have a better proc 2wice the speed is why i said if gene can run it so can our jade all we need is a cook willing to spend his time in creating one and yes im willing to test if any one makes a ROM for jade
StewieTux said:
The problem isn't the power of the phone, it's the type of the processor and the screen resolution. However there is still hope, Android 1.6 SDK is released and supports different screen resolutions! =>> http://developer.android.com/index.html
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haree said:
hi
genes resolution is same as our jade and we have a better proc 2wice the speed is why i said if gene can run it so can our jade all we need is a cook willing to spend his time in creating one and yes im willing to test if any one makes a ROM for jade
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We have an unsupported processor, msm7275 (or something like that) and that's different from the gene with has an already supported model.
hi
buddy ur breaking my heart i really did think their will be a time when we will get to use Android now if the info u give is right them our chances look very very bleek
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We have an unsupported processor, msm7275 (or something like that) and that's different from the gene with has an already supported model.
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Did you guys check the HTC site lately?
They have released the specs of HTC Touch HD2
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hd2/specification.html
which seem pretty impressive...
I for one, will make the change to Snapdragon (MUAHAHAHA)...what about you guys?
What's your take on this?
Cheers
Looks really good. The problem may be wm6.5. Hopefully it is going to come with a guaranted upgrade to wm7.
X3 of course has a chance against it imo. Android is improving consequently and the phone will be build directly by SE (or not?). Specs are fantastic.
Well, they still have a chance for one simple reason - the HD2 doesn't have a HW keyboard. That aside the HD2 owns them in every aspect.
I'm going for the first WM6.5 based HTC phone which has both keyboard and Snapdragon - it'll be a blast!
its the hw keyboard that will help the x2 to sale, also it looks a lot better than the current snapdragon devices (htc hd2 and toshiba tg01)
i am keeping ma X1 till new device pup up with:
hw keyboard+snapdragon or tegra+4 way direction pad(why the hell there are taking out 4 way directonpad from new devices?)+5 mpx or more and at least 1500 mAh battery.
i will pass leo too
All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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I agree, I'm ready to give up my Omnia and get a phone w/ a real sliding KB. Unfortunately, there aren't many that are ATT 3G! I've even thought of the Nokia N97!!! shudder...
Yes, HD2 owns over x2, x3 and even x4 and x5. why??? XDA Support, that's why.
but not having a hardware keyboard is indeed a miss, since i got used to the kb of tp2 wich feels so much better and so is making typing fun again..... but....
I'll wait for tp3, wich hopefully comes with same specs as HD2, maybe with only 4"screen, whatever.
I doubt that wm7 will be out untill q4 next year
judging how many of the devices from last year got
wm6.5 updates I would not hold my breath for a wm7 update
for any wm6.5 device you buy now
doministry said:
That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
Indeed....the X1 was my choice over the HD because it had a keyboard and over TP2 because it looked better in my opinion.
On the other hand I sorta have stopped typing much on my X1 (Maybe because of X1's poor quality keyboard. I remember typing WAY faster on my old P1i) and this is why I'd be tempted to go towards the HD2. I can just imagine watching normal xvids with no skips on that beautiful 4.3" screen...
unfortunately.. X1 was my reason why i left for touch hd.
my h/w keyboard had double tapping... no one at service centre cares .. etc etc etc..
can someone give me a summary what the X2 is all about?
orelsi said:
I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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i too agree. no point in upgrading because its not really an upgrade other than having a slightly bigger screen
orelsi said:
I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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Sure, everyones choice.
I will be really happy with even better keyb, much better camera,
WM 6.5 and improved UI/Panels.
These things are not minor for me....
And that also matters - I find X2 better looking than X1.....
Finally still nothing on market what would really convince me!
orelsi said:
I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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its only worth getting the x2 if i can get it as a free replacement as its got the same or better hardware so there is no lose in getting a x2.
but u are right in the sense that its not worth buying if u own a x1.
It's screen so big..
How to use without d-pad huh? Many games need it!
foxcheng said:
It's screen so big..
How to use without d-pad huh? Many games need it!
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i have noticed that the newer games from spb and astraware are more touchscreen friendly games (iphone like games) and i think most phone companies see that as the future and dont think many of the newer games will be made with stylus or dpad in mind.
but it does not help with games already out that need the dpad.
Ganondolf said:
i have noticed that the newer games from spb and astraware are more touchscreen friendly games (iphone like games) and i think most phone companies see that as the future and dont think many of the newer games will be made with stylus or dpad in mind.
but it does not help with games already out that need the dpad.
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I have noticed that as well and it is pathetic. Everyone knows that mobile gaming without a d-pad is impossible and annoying at best. You either need to tilt you head along with the phone or have half the screen obscured by controls and your fingers.
Let's hope they will come to their senses...
I will never buy a phone without a hw keyboard or wiothout a d-pad...
orelsi said:
All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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Personal opinion. I have both on the X1 and use neither.
For the minority who need a keyboard then sure, the X2 might do alright particularly for business users. but would business users, like me, need a d-pad? Especially for gaming? I doubt it.
DFT team has released a video of Android running on nand pro2
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
youtube.com/watch?v=yOGnQ3D5IDk
wow
hey , sound good,
i hope working an topaz,too
i think they both phones have similar technical data.
i dont understand why cpu is to slow, lenin reds built with sense
run much more faster from sdcard than this nand built ????
btw good work from the DFT Team , thx
hello there. let's hope topaz, aka touch diamond2, wont be forgotten.
I'll be willing to pay for good working rom
sounds promising
waiting for more updates
Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
loadstone007 said:
Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
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Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
ReWind402 said:
Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
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Thanks!
It's indeed outdated, perhaps I should just wait.
thijsdgier said:
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
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Well, i don't know if this will be the same decision for topaz. But if yes then it's a bad bad info for me
I just hate pure android and sense in android rocks!!
I also don't understand this because i have lenin build and it's fasttt from sdcard!!!
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
Anyway thanks for all who make this possible even if it no feet my needs!!
Thank you
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Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
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AFAIK nand is not faster than sd-method. But it would allow you too get rid off winmo.
actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
Airpil said:
1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
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you misunderstood my post, i'm just tryin to say how thing are and hd2 was best example i could think of. i like my diamonds very much. first gen was really awesome on looks, but low on hardware(slow and small ram..etc).
i wish there will be some goodies from dft soon
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actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
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quited d2 and joined moto defy~~~
What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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I am very much upset with that you are right!