Hi everybody,
since one week, I'm the proud owner of a the great HTC Touch Pro.
In the meanwhile I tried nearly every day new software, new themes, new wallpapers and so on, to customize the HTC TP according to my needs.
After I tried various user-interfaces, I came always back to the Touch Flo 3D interface... it's the best for me (according to usability and design), even if there are 2 issues that are still frustrating since I were not able to solve them or find a proper workaround:
1. The home-screen shows only the next appointment and is not customizable to show more than 1 appointment at the same time - even if I scroll down (the clock is getting smaller), there's only 1 appointment shown.
This behaviour is not very satisfying - especially since I'm using my phone mostly for the business.
2. The is my biggest problem: I have a tool called "profiles" - with this tool, you can manage and create different profiles and you can also create a schedule that can switch profiles automatically (I was using this tool already on my old device with windows mobile 5 and it worked great). Especially the schedule-functionallity was very great and I'm looking for a solution that is also working under Touch Flo 3D.
As far as I noticed, profiles is not working with touch flo 3D - the scheduled tasks are not applying and the activation of a profile within the program is not working - I think this tool is only working if you install the plugin on the home screen (of the windows mobile interface).
Since I have no "home screen" in Touch Flo 3D, the tool is not usable for me.
Does anyone here have a comparable profile-tool which works under Touch Flo 3D (with the scheduling option)?
Thank you in advance and sorry for my bad english...
Hey!
As for profile switcher.
I have spent whole day searching i have try almost every single of them most are not free and they are as today plug-in so it sux because if you use TF3D you can't use anyother plugin unless you install Second today. So angry as hell i have pointless shuffle through XDA and...
MIRACLE
i found G-Profile! GREAT FREEWARE!
it can switch profiles according to many rules such as time, schedule, appointment etc. etc. and it have plenty of options.
i also found Phoneweaver but eventually because it's not free i didn't test it ( Had enough of payed software after PhoneAlarm and SPB Phone suite which are only today's plugins... )
WOW !!!!
G-Profile works fantastic!!!
Thank you very much!!!
Now, I just have to find out if there is any possibility to execute the profile-changer from the TF3D Home-Screen (without using one of the soft-keys for that)... that would be the best solution for me!... for example: If I touch on the clock, the profile-changer opens... or something comparable...
I try to find out if there is any possibility and will let you know if somebody is also interested...
I doubt it. Only soft/hard key remaping or program launcher tab.
ageye can do no wrong! Everything made by ageye is awesome. Try out g-light as well to tweak your backlight. I just tried this last night, and it is pretty cool. g-alarm is also a must have.
checker09 said:
... Now, I just have to find out if there is any possibility to execute the profile-changer from the TF3D Home-Screen (without using one of the soft-keys for that)... that would be the best solution for me!... for example: If I touch on the clock, the profile-changer opens... or something comparable... ...
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You could try SSMaPa http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407777
a manila patcher with which you can reassign other programs to manila programs - also to the clock on the home screen.
I use it for iContact and it works great
Yup ageye soft is great.
G-Profile is great!
Only downside for me: it really, really drains my battery...
aaswouw said:
G-Profile is great!
Only downside for me: it really, really drains my battery...
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That`s absolutely true!
My HTCTP never survived the whole night until the next morning!
Maybe you should also try to reduce the polling intervall that should reduce the battery consumption...
Now, I have only the QuickSwitch enabled and implemented it directly "behind" the clock on Manila 3D (with SSMaPa - see link above) - that means: When I click on the clock an the startpage, the quickswitch window opens and I can directly select my profile!
G-Profile + SSMaPa = The unbeatable solution for windows mobile !
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Really annoying bug from Microsoft Calendar
When you select option to display upcoming appointments and also checked to display all day events, it will not display the all day events !
http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsMobile/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2045397&SiteID=65
Anyone know which good and small application to replace this Calendar plugin?
PocketBreeze is nice, but it is too complicated just for showing several events in advance.
Calendar+ is nice and freeware, but I dont know if it is running fine on WM6 (there was a report said it wont run on WM6).
IMHO, PocketBreeze and SPB Diary (I think that's the name), is the best plugin for calendar events. While they can be a bit complicated to set up (so does your PPC compared to a cheap model of Nokia), it can work pretty much to the way you want it to. E.g., I'm using PBreeze, I can have the top tab row remove, just showing the schedule, for 7 days. Everything is in 1 place, colour coded. Yes, you REALLY need to dig in to make it works for you.
Anyway, you can perhaps try the freeware, TodayAgenda. Not sure if it works on WM6, but it is *like* a much lighter version of Pocket Breeze, with easy settings.
gogol said:
Really annoying bug from Microsoft Calendar
When you select option to display upcoming appointments and also checked to display all day events, it will not display the all day events !
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Or you might wanna fidle with the regisrty a bit.... Numerous WM5 hacks work perfectly on a WM6 device... Check out the wiki's
I recommend Calendar+, it is an excellent replacement for the normal
Calendar plugin, highly customizable and looks great. Best of all,
it's free.
http://www.mohairsofa.com/Default.aspx/document/10
Kim
TodayAgenda
TodayAgenda is really the best!
Highly configurable
Free
Click here for the todayagenda website
gogol said:
Really annoying bug from Microsoft Calendar
When you select option to display upcoming appointments and also checked to display all day events, it will not display the all day events !
http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsMobile/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2045397&SiteID=65
Anyone know which good and small application to replace this Calendar plugin?
PocketBreeze is nice, but it is too complicated just for showing several events in advance.
Calendar+ is nice and freeware, but I dont know if it is running fine on WM6 (there was a report said it wont run on WM6).
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Try it and see! Works fine on my TyTN II
Thanks guys, I will give it (calplus) a go later today.
One bug down, still another one :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330224
Although the Calendar+ is working fine, it has small annoying bug
In the Today screen, I only have 3 items:
- HTC Home
- Calendar+
- TomTom 6
After soft-reset, the TomTom 6 is gone from the Today screen!
However, the setting is still there in the Today setting.
I must uncheck then check again to make the TomTom 6 appear.
Well, I think, I will move the TomTom 6 to the program launcher tab.
Just use TodayAgenda, it's free and it works like a charm....i use the 1.0 Beta with no problems what so ever....
I am now considering to use TodayAgenda, but the display looks complicated (cluttered)
With Calendar+ , I can resize the text as small as possible and display each appointment as compact as possible (single line). So, it is very clean without much of icons.
is anyoen else having issues with ultimatelaunch? i ahve to constantly soft reset. is it because i have a trial version as opposed to the paid for version?
closet410 said:
is anyoen else having issues with ultimatelaunch? i ahve to constantly soft reset. is it because i have a trial version as opposed to the paid for version?
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I've been running Ultimatelaunch for about a month (unregistered) with no stability issues.
Try searching here. They have answered a lot of questions. If you don't find it then post. They are pretty good about getting you an answer.
no issue for me I use it with SPB mobile shell , pocket plus, pocket weather, rltoday
Do not put today plugins inside UL and on the today screen at the same time .... that causes me problems
starfish_001 said:
no issue for me I use it with SPB mobile shell , pocket plus, pocket weather, rltoday
Do not put today plugins inside UL and on the today screen at the same time .... that causes me problems
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thanks! that is what i've been doing. so what do you do? i want teh htc home plugin to start up and incorporated in ultimatelaunch
Yeah, make sure all today plugins that you want INSIDE the Ultimate Launch are UNCHECKED to be on your Today Screen.
met3ora said:
Yeah, make sure all today plugins that you want INSIDE the Ultimate Launch are UNCHECKED to be on your Today Screen.
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I am using PhoneAlarm on the Today Screen and the following inside of Ultimate Launch
Weather Panel
Battery Status
Today Agenda
Seems to work with one exception.
If I go to Mail, open the keyboard (Rotate Screen) then go to the today screen and close the keyboard, INSTANT LOCKUP. If I stay in mail, and go back to the closed position, I am fine.... Otherwise seems to be working.
i have been having problems too... since i installed UL my user interface has been extremely lagging. and i have tried all kinds of ways to get it working perfectly like how everyone says it works.
a lot of people says it works perfectly with out anything, but wheni have it installed it laggs up unbelievably...
i even have to put a back up until the latest time in order to get everything working.
hi,
i´m using ul for 2 month now and everything works fine! i use todayagenda and htc home inside ul and the wireless today plugin above and my mailprogram (tobit david) among ul.
cu
pomfiedel said:
hi,
wireless today plugin
cu
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What program is this? Is this for WIFI?
i was forced to remove it and back up at the same time. i am very hesitant at trying it again.
but just a question, where did you guys install it in, device or storage card?
ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
i was forced to remove it and back up at the same time. i am very hesitant at trying it again.
but just a question, where did you guys install it in, device or storage card?
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To device memory of course!
Never install Today Plugins to your Storage Card, that can cause problems!
Hi there guys,
been searching if anybody had the following problem, then i stumbled on this thread, where somebody might be able to help me.
I had a qtek 9100 before with ultimatelaunch, with today plugins in ultimatelaunch. This worked perfectly, nothing wrong.
Recently, i purchased a Kaiser (to be precise, a T-mobile MDA Vario 3), on which i tried to run Ultimatelaunch. Everything works fine, except after i launched an application & go back to the today screen. When i run tomtom for example, and i go back to the today screen, the ultimatelaunch part is not automatically refreshed. If i just press in the area once, its redrawn. Does anybody have the same issue, or even better, a suggestion on how to solve it?
thnx in advance,
greetings hawkeye
out of curiosity what did you guys put in your UL, app wise?
My system backs up nightly and I soft reset after every backup. I believe this eliminates many issues with my system.
After 3 weeks of testing, I do not have lockups with this combination.
Icons: XP
Registration: Demo
Main Tab:
Device lock
Messaging plug In
Clock
Today
Tab 2:
Outlook / Word / Excel / PPoint
Contacts / Calendar / Checklist / Notes
Olivetree bible / Notepad (similar to desktop Notepad)
Tab 3:
Weather / Microsoft Live Search/ Garmin
Weather To Go
Tab 4:
PIE link to XM Radio
PIE link to Shoutcast
WMP
MobiTV
MobiReader
TCPMP
Photos
Camera
Playslist Manager
Voice Recorder
Adobe Reader
Paint
Tab 5
Outlook
PIE link to Google Reader
PIE
Skype
Comm Manager
Remote Desktop
Tab 6:
Total Commander
Ultimate Launch config
Calculator
File Explorer
SBP Backup
Activesynch
HTC Home Plug (9 Icon)
What program is this? Is this for WIFI?
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this is a today plugin which is activated by the kaiser tweak and it shows if wifi and bt is dis-/enabled.
to switch wifi on, i have a button in ul.
cu
does anyone find that activating the htc home screen on start up cause problems? or better yet does anyone have any tabs that they activate on start up?
also having problems when using home customizer. it seems to freeze ultimatelaunch for some reason
HTC Home works fine for me.
All my tabs (just three), have activate on startup enabled.
Tab1
PocketBreeze
Tab2
PocketPlus
Tab3
HTC Home (only weather tab is shown)
closet410 said:
also having problems when using home customizer. it seems to freeze ultimatelaunch for some reason
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Problem is that HHC check if HTC Home Plugin is enabled at startup.
Because it thinks it's not, it starts HHC. After making changes, it will try to copy changed file's to HTC Home directory. Because HTC Home is loaded into Ultimate Launch that will fail, and make Ultimate Launch crash!
Best for you to do is, disable Ultimate Launch on your today screen, start HHC and make changes to plugin, then after applying re-enable Ultimate Launch. (Uncheck HTC Home, it's auto enabled trough HHC.)
That should work for you.
johanromijn said:
Best for you to do is, disable Ultimate Launch on your today screen, start HHC and make changes to plugin, then after applying re-enable Ultimate Launch. (Uncheck HTC Home, it's auto enabled trough HHC.)
That should work for you.
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When I was testing HTC Home with UL, that's the same thing I did.
The touch 3D works great for me, BUT it removes all my other today plugins, which I most definitely need.
Is there any way to combine the touch 3D, and still having access to the std today plugins?
Amir.
I have the same question- does anyone have any answers to this ? For example , I want to have the RSS feeds in my home screen along with TFLO3D ? is it possible?
use ultimate launch to place touchflo3d on first page and the other plugins on the next page. you can size one page to fit the whole screen so that you can switch between whole pages with your thumb or with a click, like you want
greets, pucki
ps: if you prefer freeware you can use battery status, it can include today plugins as well but you have to create a personal theme on a xml-base. i made it for nike and elf, it should work on diamond also. i'm going to use batterystatus too on the diamond, but we germans has to wait until t-mobile sells the device on july 14th. if you can wait so long i will give you my theme
Can't get ultimate launch to work. When I activate the first screen, my todayscreen stays blanc.
The Ultimate launch is than removed from the todayscreen.
Can you explain what I have to do to make my own xml file fot batterystatus?
Thanx
look here http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_ext_cust_im_cs.htm
Puckmeister said:
use ultimate launch to place touchflo3d on first page and the other plugins on the next page. you can size one page to fit the whole screen so that you can switch between whole pages with your thumb or with a click, like you want
greets, pucki
ps: if you prefer freeware you can use battery status, it can include today plugins as well but you have to create a personal theme on a xml-base. i made it for nike and elf, it should work on diamond also. i'm going to use batterystatus too on the diamond, but we germans has to wait until t-mobile sells the device on july 14th. if you can wait so long i will give you my theme
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offtopic ...
you don't have to wait if you are o2 customer
johnkorver said:
Can't get ultimate launch to work. When I activate the first screen, my todayscreen stays blanc.
The Ultimate launch is than removed from the todayscreen.
Can you explain what I have to do to make my own xml file fot batterystatus?
Thanx
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just had the same idea, ul didn't work at all
hopefully there will be a new ul version with diamond support
tf3d is so nice, i wish i could remove the internet tab and replace it with batterystatus instead!
Guys try this program http://www.chi-tai.info/download/SecondToday.zip and do this:
Copy SecondToday.exe to your desired location, e.g. \Program Files\SecondTody\SecondToday.exe and start the application
and then just copy the program again to windows start menu, and then add it to program list in the htc touch flo. then when ever you want it just click it.
Until now this is the best way to fix it
I went to their site I didn't understand anything. What does SecondToday do? I can get something from its name, but how does it actually work?
Direct download is impossible: go here: http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_wm_tools_im_cs.htm
basically what it does is that it is a program that opens the today screen without touch flo
fataldeath44 said:
basically what it does is that it is a program that opens the today screen without touch flo
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Thank you for making that clear. Can you return to TouchFlo afterwards?
is it possible to run this second today - thing in autostart without interfering with touch3d?sometimes it does not open when i execute it...
i need to keep an eye on my calltimes and umts-data because both is limited due my contract and the only tool that handles both is (as far as i know) battery status...correct me if i'm wrong. gprs counter is bundled with my diamond but it isn't able to count call times...
edit: just tested it and second today always gets closed (or crashes) when touchflo3d is enabled...i can add plugins to 2nd today but when i switch back to touchflo3d second today not listed in taskmanager anymore after a couple of seconds.
Hi,
did anyone find a solution to make BatteryStatus run in Background in combination with TF3D or TF2D??
I also need that app but just for the dynamically OC-Freature....
Regards
touch-it said:
Hi,
did anyone find a solution to make BatteryStatus run in Background in combination with TF3D or TF2D??
I also need that app but just for the dynamically OC-Freature....
Regards
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I use a program called Ariel Battery and disabled the default battery icon. Put Ariel Battery in your startup folder, you can modify color schemes, it's small and even shows you the %.
amir77a said:
The touch 3D works great for me, BUT it removes all my other today plugins, which I most definitely need.
Is there any way to combine the touch 3D, and still having access to the std today plugins?
Amir.
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You will find the answer in that thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401907
Hi,
I've read a lot of pros to deactivate TF3D and install Mobile Shell because of the performance, and i was hoping to hear from people theirs pros and cons and i DON'T mean "i like TF3D bla bla" but an explanation too!!
I thinks it's a lot of storage to be used, or can it be installed on the internal memory?!
TF3D lasted about 20 minutes for me, it looks great but didnt really give me what I needed, when I needed it.
I found it dreadfully slow and fairly clumsy ...yes, I know you can tweak it to the N`th degree now, but still seems to be more cosmetic than funtional. Just a thin flash skin over WM6, and it resorts back to WM6 when you have to do more in depth things with the phone.
I guess I was biased towards SPB Mobile Shell though, as I`ve used it on my last 2 phones (Tytn and Tytn II) and love the way it simplifies and speeds up using the phones. It is not just an improvement over the TF3D but also Windows Mobile. Far more user friendly!! (finger friendly)
I have the latest version on my diamond and love the ability to thumb/finger scroll through the options/section just as well as the TF3D, it`s still layed out well, although I don`t like the way they`ve done the frequently used/favourite programs bits... I liked having the start square infact I prefer the layout of the previous version (9 squares rather than the 6 squares and the messy favourites bar at top.)
It doesnt look as lovely and unified as the TF3D but I realise that you can change the theme. It can look a bit garrish with the multicoloured icons .
The now (today) screen is far more useful on SPB as you can add/remove options.. still not as customisable as real today screen (I probably haven`t found all the plugins tho ?)
I would download the trial as see what you think.
I give TF3D a big thumbs down and SPB Mobile Shell a big thumbs up
Hope this all makes some sense / is of some use, as am slightly sloshed *h*i*c* !
Where have you installed the progam files? In the internal storage or RAM (i guess it's called?!))
I installed it on the phone rather than the internal storage, seemed to be plenty of space. Never normally install to the phone area but feel (rightly or wrongly) that it helps running from phone memory ?? Still loads of room and phone flies along. Doesnt seem to as big an issue as it once was.
hi bro,
being an experience user with spb shell, can you kindly share with us with some skins that you are using?
I have the latest version of SPB Shell (though not installed at the moment as just flashed with a new ROM.
I prefer the SPB Shell as it is alot smoother and faster switching between the menus and the main today screen can be configured to give alot more info than the TF3D one.
For those that like to know the weather it gives you a breakdown of what the weather is going to be like at various times of the day rather than just now (I can look out of the window for that) and even the 5 day forecast can be viewed to see the expected weather at various times of the day.
As for skins the default ones that come with it are only different colours but having a choice of colours from scratch is better than the plain TF3D.
SPB Shell is very configurable compaired to TF3D but still not as configurable as some other Today screens unless like th eother poster said it comes in the form of other plugins.
I have it installed to normal phone memory and everythings fine. I haven't tried installing it to the internal memory but figure if I have to reinstall it if I flash a new ROM anyway I may as well make sure that it's cleared for a fresh reinstall.
Deffo one to give a try if you want something other than TF3D - smoother, more configurable, more skin options, ability to add more plugins.
I have to agree that TF3D is not something that is usable. As a matter of fact, I am very close to labeling it as a piece of crap. All the bad points of TF3D has been posted in this forums countless times and I do not want to repeat it. I am sticking with TF3D is because of one reason only. That is because it's the Diamond's identity. If I were to use other today plugins I would not have gotten the Diamond. Diamond and TF3D is like coffee and sugar/milk (depending on how you like it). Without it, the Diamond loses it's identity.
How about battery usage? Any difference there?
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I have to agree that TF3D is not something that is usable. As a matter of fact, I am very close to labeling it as a piece of crap. All the bad points of TF3D has been posted in this forums countless times and I do not want to repeat it. I am sticking with TF3D is because of one reason only. That is because it's the Diamond's identity. If I were to use other today plugins I would not have gotten the Diamond. Diamond and TF3D is like coffee and sugar/milk (depending on how you like it). Without it, the Diamond loses it's identity.
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I agree with you. But where can TF3d Themes be found?
I have found two .theme files that works and easy to set up. O2 Blue and Orange Lite. But it would be nice to get something like the White Diamond
I think its better explained this way:
SPB can house many more functions. If you need your phones apps the whole day long an need to navigate your small system every minute, TF3D is really not the thing. SPB is very good, and takes care of every single corner on your phone. Highly skinnable, and fast.
I tried it, but you know, it's too much for me.
I like a lot of apps, but I don't use em every day. So I want to fast check Email, SMS, or weather, or make a call. For those basic functions I think TF3D is the best. Just grab phone, Thumb-thingy to the right tab and off you go.
I don't need something TF3D cant do. Well, some minor things, like agenda and tasks, but I guess that'll be fixed in a few weeks
I'll vote for the Shell too: I tried Flo, really tried as it looks so good, but found it was just unworkable!
Shell is clean and simple, and fast. Also, I use a P3600i in some situations (such as when I really want to hear incoming call rings) - using Shell keeps me to a common interface.
These are the setting that I use:
TABS Home TODAY Date
Time SPB Shell
Weather Owner
Dial Tab Messaging
Calendar
Fring
SPB Menu Internet IE/Opera + Favorites
No Data
Fring
Internet Sharing
Comm Mgr
Multimedia Media Player
Camera
Pictures
Voice recorder
Album
Tools Task Mgr
File Browser
Rotate
Lock
Profiles
SPB Backup
MemMaid
App to Date
Programmes (auto)
My Menu 1Calc
TomTom
Ozi
Stock Mgr
Best Crypto
FM Radio
Settings (auto)
I run TLR v3 - clean and stable.
Unrelated to SPB Mobile Shell, my final 'make it perfect' was to get rid of the ring delay by:
Diamond Phonepad skin: HKLM -> Security -> Phone -> Skin -> Enable (set 1 to 0), then reset
It all depends on what you do with your phone. I tried SPB Mobile Shell and it worked nicely. Quite happy with it. It's faster and more user friendly compared to TF3D. The homescreen also looks nice and it has a nice feature where you can move your finger in a downward movement from the taskbar to choose between the 3 pages of the shell. Although the Now screen is not very customizable (maybe it is with correct plugins?), the other page u can change every shortcut to programs and such. It's nice, but I don't tweak my Diamond anymore as I used to. I saw the Orange Theme with TF3D and I liked it alot. The analog clock looks great. If you're new with the Diamond and ur tweaking and changing and everything, I suggest you get SPB Shell (or just disable TF3D). But TF3D still looks better (orange theme that is)..
I just need to find a white .tsk theme for wm6.1.. All I see is grey/red/purple/whatever... Goodluck with this..
Can anyone point me to other frontents for Windows Mobile like for example
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshel
PointUI Home was another one that I tried on my previous WinMob phone, it's very responsive and smooth but it's not the most attractive front end in the world. Also, not being able to see the clock and upcoming appointments at the same time got right on my tits. To be honest I've yet to come across a front end with a Today style screen that shows everything the default WinMob one does (i.e. date/time, tasks, appointments and count of unread emails/messages) which annoys the hell out of me, I don't understand how these various companies have spent time writing front ends intended to replace WinMob yet can't give us a Today screen that even has the functionality of the default one. Is it really that hard to do?
thanks, i tried and installes 1.51a of it, but nothing happens, still standard winmob frontend... how must i intall it properly?
bravemenrun333 said:
thanks, i tried and installes 1.51a of it, but nothing happens, still standard winmob frontend... how must i intall it properly?
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If it's installed properly you should now have an entry for it in your Programs list, you can just launch it from there like any other application and I think it then remains resident.
On a related note I found this Wizbar app that seems to allow the customisation of WinMob though I haven't tried this one out. There are some themes for it here.
I'm very happy with SPB software though obviously it's quite expensive to buy. I think it has a free trial.
SPB pocket plus is a genius bit of software because it allows you to quickly select from up to 7 today screens each containing various today plugins and shortcuts. You get up to 6 tabs plus your regular today screen (when the tabs are set to auto-hide).
Other today plugins I'm using are Pocket Player, DevState 1.5 (as a task manager) and SPB Time, Diary, Weather and Mobile Suite (another great program). (Not cheap )
Here are some screens - the photo is a holiday shot from Turkey:
there is also vito winterface which is iphone clone...quite nice but nothing new. i still with manila