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All,
I was wondering if the built in WM6 Voip client can be activated or be put in if it does not yet exist in the WM6 builds.....
Currently I use Fring for my Voip calls, but I would really like to use the built in client for better native support.
Other WM Voip clients are also welcome....
Cheers,
HJ
Had the same problem i thought that the built-in VoIP client ships with WM6 but it didn't find it on my TyTN II, you can download it from here
ftp://xda:[email protected]/WM6VoIP.CAB
you can find the SipCofigTool very nice utility to config VoIP
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303493
mrabie said:
Had the same problem i thought that the built-in VoIP client ships with WM6 but it didn't find it on my TyTN II, you can download it from here
ftp://xda:[email protected]/WM6VoIP.CAB
you can find the SipCofigTool very nice utility to config VoIP
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303493
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Hi Mrabie,
Are you still using VOIP? Please confirm if it used the standard dial pad and if it also uses the front speaker?
Cheers!
There's nothing for the Kaiser that uses the front speaker yet.
Do we know what this is? I assume you mean Voice Over IP (WM6 Built in) currently uses the loud speaker.
One would assume the normal phone speaker could be used (since my old Hermes could).
Hi Guys
I am using my company's VoIP service though my TyTn II. Everything is great! And the voice is came out from the ear speaker.
I installed the SIP Config Tool v. 2.0.1 and WM6VoIP.cab
Thank you
lingalan said:
Hi Guys
I am using my company's VoIP service though my TyTn II. Everything is great! And the voice is came out from the ear speaker.
I installed the SIP Config Tool v. 2.0.1 and WM6VoIP.cab
Thank you
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Same here, works excellent!
has anyone managed to get the native voip client to work on the kaiser?
I can receive a call but not make one.
when trying to make a call ; I get the error "Network service is not available. Try again later."
sometimes it has worked....
Was working perfectly fine on my hermes (imate jasjam)
lingalan said:
Hi Guys
I am using my company's VoIP service though my TyTn II. Everything is great! And the voice is came out from the ear speaker.
I installed the SIP Config Tool v. 2.0.1 and WM6VoIP.cab
Thank you
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Great!
I have loaded the 2 cabs and have made some minor progress.
If i reboot the Tytn II is says connected for a moment then it goes to 'searching'. This is over the home wifi network.
When i first loaded the cabs and tried to initiate a call, it did show my voip provider in the dial pad, but now i cant replicate that to test it actually works.
What should i do?
Cheers
Edit: it now says 'available' om the today screen, but i cant get it to dial out using the voip connection. Note that i have not set up dial plans yet. but i think i have made good progress so far!
GLO said:
it now says 'available' om the today screen, but i cant get it to dial out using the voip connection. Note that i have not set up dial plans yet. but i think i have made good progress so far!
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tap on the name , it needs to show as "selected".
let us know if it works for you.
I can only receive calls.
interestingly, nothing ever arrive on the voip server when i try to make a call; i run my own voip server (asterisk) , and no packet ever make it to the server from the windows mobile device...
warning, numbers must be numeric only, no + or # etc...
Do you mean to select it from the 'Today screen'
If that is what you mean, then when i click on it it takes me to the phone settings tab for internet calling.
Mind you, in that tab it states:
Internet Calling
To set the calling network for your next call, select BBPglobal (my Voip account) on the Today screen.
options: whenever available
Only if cellular is not available
Never
I have it set to whenever available and have also enabled GRS/GSM calls as per SIP config 2.01.
Whilst it now always shows that it is available, i dont see how else i can select it.
if you move the cursor in the today screen to go on the voip plugin, press OK (the button, not using the touch screen) you can change the status to "selected"
Forgot to add: your SIP server must support g711 (ulaw or alaw) codec... none of the low-bandwidth codec work
jyavenard said:
if you move the cursor in the today screen to go on the voip plugin, press OK (the button, not using the touch screen) you can change the status to "selected"
Forgot to add: your SIP server must support g711 (ulaw or alaw) codec... none of the low-bandwidth codec work
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I move the today screen curser to highlight the voip plugin, but nothing happens when i hit OK or press the big silver button in the middle.
Regarding the SIP server sip2.BBPglobal.com does support g711. Well i was thinking that the phone simply makes a connection to the wireless router (Asus WL500gP running DD-WRT v23sp2) and that would be it. I could be wrong but i think this way simply because i replicated the SIP settings from my ATA (Linksys SPA2102).
Plus i would imaging that when using the VOIP over 3G that it connects with the same settings from the SipConfigTool1.02
Have i missed the boat somehow?
can you tell us which version of WM6VOIP.cab you are using - as in my version the sound comes out of the loudspeaker instead of the earspeaker?
any suggestions?
Would be also interresting for me.
I've tested 3 Types of VOIP software.
- Fring => Comes out of the loudspeaker
- Pocket Talk => Comes out of the loudspeaker
- Prop. WM6 => Could not connect.
Kind Regards
Seppl
I can use Fring/X-lite but the sound comes through the speaker. The WM6 native client can logon but not make any calls (same message as the poster above). I think I can receive calls though (but I have not tried).
mrabie said:
Had the same problem i thought that the built-in VoIP client ships with WM6 but it didn't find it on my TyTN II, you can download it from here
ftp://xda:[email protected]/WM6VoIP.CAB
you can find the SipCofigTool very nice utility to config VoIP
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303493
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Hi,
the first link is about Hermes?! I tried it, but it creates two today plugin...why?!
Is it possible that on the latest Kaiser native ROM some parts of WM&VoIP.CAP is already installed even if there is no Internet Tab under Pgone Settings?
Second: I had universal befor and a cooked rom, and when I clicked on the today plugin I could select or unselect voip for calling. With this cab instead, if I click on the today plugin, I enter into Start->Settings->Phone->Internet.
Third: I looked at ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Kaiser/VoIP/ and there is a SleuthKaiserVoIP.cab...what is it?? Maybe the WM6VoIP.cab versio for Kaiser?
monakh said:
I can use Fring/X-lite but the sound comes through the speaker. The WM6 native client can logon but not make any calls (same message as the poster above). I think I can receive calls though (but I have not tried).
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I get the same problem using PocketTalk!
Stefano
snyfer said:
can you tell us which version of WM6VOIP.cab you are using - as in my version the sound comes out of the loudspeaker instead of the earspeaker?
any suggestions?
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How many versions are there?
Codec ???
What codecs are supported by the built in VOIP? Maybe the issue of not able to make a call could be codec related like in any other VOIP softwares.
- TKN
I noticed that in the Diamond forum Dutty has embedded MSVC 1.6.19971 into his ROM.
Any ideas where I can find the installation CAB for this?
alanplum said:
I noticed that in the Diamond forum Dutty has embedded MSVC 1.6.19971 into his ROM.
Any ideas where I can find the installation CAB for this?
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I'm using MSVC_US_PPC_1.6.19214 which is working fine. You can find this in one of the threads in Kaiser but I believe it was taken down for an unknown reason (the thread still exists but the first 5 message and topic title was deleted). The title was something like "The Definitive Guide to MSVC". You can still get it in google cache though
pfcsabre said:
I'm using MSVC_US_PPC_1.6.19214 which is working fine. You can find this in one of the threads in Kaiser but I believe it was taken down for an unknown reason (the thread still exists but the first 5 message and topic title was deleted). The title was something like "The Definitive Guide to MSVC". You can still get it in google cache though
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We removed the MSVC cab because it is a retail sold program, YES it was put into some official ROMs but after a LONG debate we decided to not allow it in cooked ROMs etc... just such a grey area we didnt want M$ finding another reason to have a go at xda-devs.
i had a feeling it will be taken out eventually, curiously though i was thinking why the guy was banned
MS Voice Command 1.6 German
Hello Guys ...
I read much about MS VC 1.6 cause Cyberon Voice Speed Dial
doesn´t work well in German - and would like to test it now.
Could someone please provide a download link?!
Thanks!
mr.right67 said:
Hello Guys ...
I read much about MS VC 1.6 cause Cyberon Voice Speed Dial
doesn´t work well in German - and would like to test it now.
Could someone please provide a download link?!
Thanks!
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Have you read post #3? MSVC is a retail sold program, if you want it please buy it.
Hey guys, on my fuze with the at&t rom, MSVC was included, now that i've upgraded to romeos rom and it's not included on his rom! i know that you guys are saying its a pay program, but i paid for it when i bought the fuze (as its included in the price).... and i really dont wanna pay for it again...
Does MSVC integrate and work with the fuze over bluetooth? I know that it needed several mods to work with both the 8525 and the Tilt.
Thanks
it worked perfectly with the at&t rom without any mods at all. and actually after i posted, i realized that i still had the copy that i had download from this site for my tilt. i installed it and it works perfectly once again
omaralt said:
it worked perfectly with the at&t rom without any mods at all. and actually after i posted, i realized that i still had the copy that i had download from this site for my tilt. i installed it and it works perfectly once again
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Does it announce incoming calls over the bluetooth headset? I can't get it to do that. My Tilt did it just fine and I have the Fuze VC set up exactly the same way as my Tilt, but all I get is my ringtone and no announcement.
Any ideas?
jglev said:
Does it announce incoming calls over the bluetooth headset? I can't get it to do that. My Tilt did it just fine and I have the Fuze VC set up exactly the same way as my Tilt, but all I get is my ringtone and no announcement.
Any ideas?
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I'm sure this is a dumb question but did you double-check the settings? (Start -> Settings -> Personal -> Voice Command -> [Highlight Phone] -> Options -> Announce Incoming calls) and (Start -> Settings -> Personal -> Voice Command -> Notifications Button)
ITNV said:
I'm sure this is a dumb question but did you double-check the settings? (Start -> Settings -> Personal -> Voice Command -> [Highlight Phone] -> Options -> Announce Incoming calls) and (Start -> Settings -> Personal -> Voice Command -> Notifications Button)
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Yes. I wish it were that easy. As I said, all parameters are set up exactly like my Tilt which worked perfectly. With the Fuze, I only get my ringtone. Now, I know that the Fuze has a newer version of VC, so I may try to downgrade to the version that is on my Tilt.
omaralt said:
Hey guys, on my fuze with the at&t rom, MSVC was included, now that i've upgraded to romeos rom and it's not included on his rom! i know that you guys are saying its a pay program, but i paid for it when i bought the fuze (as its included in the price).... and i really dont wanna pay for it again...
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I'm wondering the same thing. Stock Fuze had MSVC, and I flashed to the Elite ROM, and would like MSVC back. Is there any way to flash my Fuze back to stock rom, and pull the cab file out of it??
Unless you can tell me otherwise, the one that comes with the FUZE is defective. Partly... A few of us can't get it to say the incoming caller name or number. All you hear is a bell sound. I've gotten everything else to work like dialing from the headset, even where it says I have an appointment on my BT headset. Just for the announcement of whos calling doesnt work.
Do you have to have the handsset connect to juse VOice C`?
I pulled VC 1.6.19971 out of the AT&T Fuze ROM and included it in my personal ROM and I was able to enable "Announce incoming calls".
On my Nokia BH-501 headset, it begins to announce the call, but gets cut off by the built in headset ringtone. (I only use this stereo headset for music)
On my Oakley Razrwire it works just fine. With 'announce' turned off, the headset uses it's normal built-in ringtone. With 'announce' turned on, I get the VM announcement with my WM ringtone playing in the background (it opens an audio stream from the phone). I use this headset while driving, so it's all good.
Well well... depends on your MSVC-version. 1.6.4622 DOES NOT announce any incoming call regardless of the setting.
1.6.17913 does, 19209, 19213, 19214 does...
By the way: the ultimate FAQ was named The Definitive Guide for Microsoft Voice Command - I posted a backup in another thread.
anyhow, does anyone know the advantages of 1.6.19971 ? Does it report anonymous callers correctly (which none of the above does?)
And why is it that anyone wants to use newer versions without even knowing changes? Maybe it's a beta version, maybe it's buggy... but it's a newer release... using legal german retail (bought it) .4622 with 19209 exe for announcing reasons. Works brilliant on raphael.
But maybe someone knows a list of changes or fixes, advantages or disadvantages in 19971?
I would really like cyberon voice dial 1.2 to work on the fuze but when i press the bluetooth headset it does not work, i have searched but can't find what the reg edits need to be. thanks for any help one can provide me
irus said:
I would really like cyberon voice dial 1.2 to work on the fuze but when i press the bluetooth headset it does not work, i have searched but can't find what the reg edits need to be. thanks for any help one can provide me
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Before or after installing cyberon? - After: Unpairing headset, repair and watch out having it set as default handsfree headset
HTH
MSVC in Dutch?
Hello all:
Is MSVC available in the Dutch language? Its kind of weird hearing my Dutch contacts' names pronounced in English. Funny, but still weird...
I made a simple cab from the registry settings that you install to device memory, then soft reset and use any voice recorder (HTC Voice Recorder, VITOAudio Notes, Resco Audio Recorder) to record both sides of the conversation. I have tried it with several Roms, dialers and skins too and it works fine with all these and no adverse affect on normal conversation
Might be worth cooking into a Rom to give 2 side recording as standard.
Tested and working on the following Roms:
SimpleOS Xtralite v2.1, HyperDragon 4th Feb, PDA Corner Ultimate v17, v19 & v20, Anryl's 15/3 6.S rom, AthineOS WWE, WM6.5 betas (HyperDragon and PDA Corner works with HTC Voice Recorder and VITO Audio Notes, rest confirmed with VITO Audio Notes).
Download the 2_Way_Recording cab (rapidshare) *HERE*
EDIT: Made a new cab combining my 2 way recording plus the incall enable edit from pocketnow.com to enable BOTH sides to be recorded clearly from the dialer menu after a call has been established. It does not affect the ability to use a 3rd party app if you want, just gives you extra ease so you dont have to load any new programs up when you are in a call. Install the following cab to device memory, then once a call has been established just goto the dialer menu and select record. It will record in .wav format and save the recording to the Device\My Documents\Notes folder.
Download the 2_Way_Plus_InCall_Recording cab (rapidshare) *HERE*
mskip said:
First thanks to nick_martin for originally posting this in the ICR for Kaiser (2 side call recording software) thread.
I just made a simple cab from the registry settings that you install to device memory, then soft reset and use any voice recorder (HTC Voice Recorder, VITOAudio Notes, Resco Audio Recorder) to record both sides of the conversation. I have tried it with several Roms, dialers and skins too and it works fine with all these and no adverse affect on normal conversation
Might be worth cooking into a Rom to give 2 side recording as standard.
Download the cab *HERE*
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so sweet ty skip
Thank you for this contribution.
Thanks bruv gotta try this out
If it works for you then report back what phone, rom and radio you are using it on please
mskip said:
First thanks to nick_martin for originally posting this in the ICR for Kaiser (2 side call recording software) thread.
I just made a simple cab from the registry settings that you install to device memory, then soft reset and use any voice recorder (HTC Voice Recorder, VITOAudio Notes, Resco Audio Recorder) to record both sides of the conversation. I have tried it with several Roms, dialers and skins too and it works fine with all these and no adverse affect on normal conversation
Might be worth cooking into a Rom to give 2 side recording as standard.
Download the cab *HERE*
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I tested on two different roms. The first rom from Anryl's 6.S rom 21179 didn't work. Tried two radios (didn't take note since it didn't work). Was using Resco audio recorder and when in record mode, call comes in, message popped up saying cpu overload.
This morning, I tried on SimpleOS Xtralite v2.1 and with the radio recommended (1.70.18.02), it works. The audio from far end is rather soft during playback.
Congratulations!
Works great for me, ty for sharing this, as i'm sure most of us wouldn't have seen it in the original thread.
Thanks alot mskip
Oh and I'm using an AT&T Tilt with Hyperdragons 02/04/2009 IOLITE Rom with Kaiser 1.65.21.18 Radio. Worked just fine using builtin htc audio recorder and Vito Audio Notes Touch
zard said:
I tested on two different roms. The first rom from Anryl's 6.S rom 21179 didn't work. Tried two radios (didn't take note since it didn't work). Was using Resco audio recorder and when in record mode, call comes in, message popped up saying cpu overload.
This morning, I tried on SimpleOS Xtralite v2.1 and with the radio recommended (1.70.18.02), it works. The audio from far end is rather soft during playback.
Congratulations!
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Tested on Anryl's 15/3 6.S rom after fresh flashing. Works with 1.70.18.02 radio. I only have SMS restored, Resco Explorer, PCMKeyboard and Resco Audio Recorder installed. Didn't get the cpu overload problem. Need to complete my Exchange 2007 Sync and finish installing the rest of the apps again before I test again.
Recording volume is rather soft though, even though volume had been set to maximum, same as for my TyTN II volume.
It seems not work in Diamond..
eastwoodwang said:
It seems not work in Diamond..
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Phone or Rom?
Great job mskip ! Finally working for me !
ROM AthineOS WWE, RADIO 1.71.09.01 and VITO AUDIO NOTES 1.37
Thanks
Finally got this to work with stock AT&T Tilt
Thanks to everyone involved.
Vito Audio Notes was tricky to figure out. I uninstalled and reinstalled it several times before I got the settings right.
Move the yellow equalizer all the way to the left when recording. Set the microphone gain to high.
If you move the yellow equalizer all the way to the right, it will only record very loud sounds, which doesn't work for recording phone calls. If you set the microphone gain to low, the recording will be hard to hear when you play it back. You'll have to hold the speaker up to your ear.
Thanks mskip & OP
Runs perfect with PDA v.19 & VITO AUDIO NOTES 1.37
Can't believe that after all this time 2 way works wonder if it would on Dash?
stylez.
Thanks Sir mskip,
Could it be mirrored?
Thank You
This is so sweet, now we have 2 solutions on a issue that I've been trying to solve for about 1,5 year...
What happens if you install this fix with the ICR driver installed??? Let's try! I'll report back later for those of you who allready use ICR but want a louder recording.
stylez said:
Thanks mskip & OP
Runs perfect with PDA v.19 & VITO AUDIO NOTES 1.37
Can't believe that after all this time 2 way works wonder if it would on Dash?
stylez.
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I dont know you should try it lol its only a registry edit rather than overwriting drivers and if it doesnt work you can uninstall it
Yeah I know what you mean I have been looking for some way to record both sides of a conversation for about 3 years when I got my old Hermes. Even tried going through bluetooth to my pc and recording that way lol. All it took was a few simple registry changes to allow this. I was always told it was a hardware problem and would never be possible lol. Im happy now
When I went into my registry to test this method my values was already set as the original post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3463124&postcount=75)...
I wonder if this is what ICR does, is it the same solution??? Have anybody done a deep analysis of the ICR cab?
I was hoping for a louder recording...
jorra said:
This is so sweet, now we have 2 solutions on a issue that I've been trying to solve for about 1,5 year...
What happens if you install this fix with the ICR driver installed??? Let's try! I'll report back later for those of you who allready use ICR but want a louder recording.
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Ok let me know what happens
After you install ICR the only way to get rid of it is a Hard Reset. Not sure how they will work together maybe the registry edit will bump up the volume with icr.
I think the registry changes are more compatable then using ICR as alot of people seem to have problems getting it working.
Report back
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When I went into my registry to test this method my values was already set as the original post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3463124&postcount=75)...
I wonder if this is what ICR does, is it the same solution??? Have anybody done a deep analysis of the ICR cab?
I was hoping for a louder recording...
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I guess if your recorded volume didnt increase then ICR is taking control of rerouting the incoming sound. With JUST the registry changes the volume is very loud. I had a 30 minute phone call yesterday and VITO Audio Notes recorded both sides perfectly. Maybe you could try a hard reset sometime to get rid of ICR and then try a comparison with just the registry cab
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I dont know you should try it lol its only a registry edit rather than overwriting drivers and if it doesnt work you can uninstall it
Yeah I know what you mean I have been looking for some way to record both sides of a conversation for about 3 years when I got my old Hermes. Even tried going through bluetooth to my pc and recording that way lol. All it took was a few simple registry changes to allow this. I was always told it was a hardware problem and would never be possible lol. Im happy now
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Never guess what it works
Going to do a bit more testing as not sure if the RoseROM worked without as never tested it will also test Kavana's "as know that didn't", will link to you if all fine.
Hi all,
do you know the movie "Desparate HTC Touch Pro Owner"... ? It's the movie of which I am the heroe. I have tried many solutions, in vain...
I have chosen the HTC Houch Pro among other models specially for its wonderful French integral keyboard. I am an information officer, I send tens and tens of SMSs / emails a day, and the HTC Touch Pro has the best French integral keyboard among competitors (Xperia X1...).
And I am also in a dire need for recording calls, as I often deal with sensitive issues.
Unfortunately, none of the softwares I have used or even purchased (NCH TRx Phone Recorder which I bought; Auto Call recorder 1.2.1; Vito Audio Notes Touch - wonderful user itnerface) works on my HTC Touch Pro. It only records my voice, but not that of my correspondent.
Any assistance / solution would be really appreciated.
Best,
Chawki
here you go:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/auto-call-recorder-12-released/
works like a charm. my experience with the tp1 is that the caller side is a little soft, but everything can be heard properly.
I have installed ACR 1.2.1, but no sound from the caller side, or so weak that I think it is routed through the device's mike.
Chawki _ HTC Touch Pro said:
I have installed ACR 1.2.1, but no sound from the caller side, or so weak that I think it is routed through the device's mike.
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Chawki, I have just installed ACR 1.2.1 for the first time, and tested it out. It seems to work flawlessly (albeit quality was a bit low).
According to the ACR thread on XDA, if you're having issue hearing the other party, then it's because it's not setup to record both incoming and outgoing calls. According to the thread, it may not be working correctly due to an outdated ROM.
Here, you can find more information here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536472
A million thanks.
Could you please assist me:
-- a suitable ROM for my FRENCH HTC Touch Pro
-- step by step instructions, I have never done so.
Once again, a million thanks
Chawki,
You do not have to get a custom ROM in order to get ACR to work. According to the thread, you simply need an updated stock ROM.
Here is the link to HTC France's support page for the Touch Pro: http://www.htc.com/fr/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=140&act=sd&cat=all
You can find the ROM update there and ACR should work fine afterwards. Best wishes.
Somebody know a soft for record incoming call pushing one button in time speaking ...for wm6.1 Thanks a lot. !
mirkomircea said:
Somebody know a soft for record incoming call pushing one button in time speaking ...for wm6.1 Thanks a lot. ![/QUOTE}
Have you tried searching for it?
What type of phone are you using?
Have you checked to see if it is legal for you to do so?
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mirkomircea said:
Somebody know a soft for record incoming call pushing one button in time speaking ...for wm6.1 Thanks a lot. !
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536472
freaknormel said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536472
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you have to read before you recommend...
Devices that don’t work
HTC Snap
HTC Vogue
HTC TyTN
HTC Gene
HP iPAQ 614c
It works on the tilt, BUT the recoding of the other person is so low you can hardly make out what was said.
I use Vito Audio Notes. It could record automatically or by push of a button.
if u could not hear other side well, try this cab.
I've got ACR on my tilt with TPCElite v11 Mega and it works flawlessly, when you hang up it asks if you'd like to save the call, the incall audio comes over perfectly (note it comes with TPCElite v11 rom)
acr
+1 for ACR.
Resco audio recorder
mirkomircea said:
Somebody know a soft for record incoming call pushing one button in time speaking ...for wm6.1 Thanks a lot. !
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I am using Resco Audio Recorder, works fine,
automatically records phone calls, also full options of
normal, usual recording.
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