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WM5 & HTC are NOT taking the pi..!! Get best ROM avail..

I am totally sick of this crap. Microsoft should stick to PC's and stay out of pocket pc's as they can't develop one O/S that is stable.
Just when I thought I had a stable ROM, the thing displays all sorts of unwanted effects including:
1. Occasional Hard resetting of PPC (but not actually formatting the device; no...it installs duplicate programs and settings instead!!)
2. Soft Keys have a mind of their own (sometimes they appear as I defined their use, other times they appear according to its own desires!)
3. On occasion wifi doesn't work, but mostly it works perfectly.
4. Sometimes messaging application does not initiate (neither through soft keys activation or direct access through Programs)
I have a list that I cannot be bothered to type out, suffice to say I have a degree in Computing & Information systems (no big deal I know!) and over ten years experience in building, maintaining and upgrading PC's not to mention several years experience of owning Palm o/s, Symbian o/s and Win CE pocket pc's.
My opinion is valid!! I don't care what anyone else says to the contrary. Windows mobile 5 and it's predecessors are a load of crap and are robbing us of our hard earned cash!! And I've spent a fortune on them all!!
I am by no means an expert, but I am no fool and more than capable of learning, hence I've tried to no avail with these devices.
Just when you think your device is running near perfect (within reason), new issues pop up!
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
My last o/s phone (smartphone) was a SonyEriccson P910i. That was quite good with minimal crashes or lock-ups. I moved back to Windows based mobile phones because of more CPU power and compatibility.
MAIN GRIPES:
I miss calls....due to maintenance (upgrading ROM or soft resets or hard resets or lock-ups)
I miss text and MMS messages.....due to maintenance
I miss appointments due non-induced hard resets (only twice mind you)
I miss knowing that I can be reached or can make a call at any given moment!!
I'm not one of those people who needs a phone predominantly and a PDA secondly. I just need reliability.
I've swapped..yes swapped my Jasjar for the MDA Vario for the same reasons that I'm complaining about WM5 & HTC. The Wizard is just as unstable!!
Don't misunderstand me...when these devices are working, they are wonderful and I would prefer no other phone/PPC in the world, but reliability is of paramount importance, surely!!
Well...I'm done with this 'got to be a developer to use my phone' syndrome. I'm going back to SonyE. or someone else who know how to make devices with at least 90% reliability!! I wasn't expecting perfection from Man, merely my moneys worth!!
This is the bottom line:
I want a convergence device that I spend more time deriving its benefits than I do researching how to improve its instability and unreliability!!
And before anyone says it:
HTC are full of it just like Microsoft, as they were undoubtedly aware of this WM5 bug-ridden o/s before desinging hardware for it!
:evil: :evil: :evil:
Update: 27/2/06:
See my most recent posts. I was wrong and apologise for misleading you guys without having properly identified the cause of my device problems (very dangerous I know). The problem was definately buggy ROMs and this has now been fully rectified via Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM.

Give it up!!!
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0

Hmm.. I'm using MDA Compact 2, doesn't seems to have your problems.. the only problem I have is a dead loud speaker.
Anyway, you may want to try out Treo that runs Palm.

consumer electronics
Hi,
i just moved away from a palm treo 600: bad telephone reception and literally crappy headphone connector (it screwed up the telephone with a bug well known on internet, i had to use my solder to repair it...).
And now i am an happy user of an QTEK9100. Not perfect, but very near...except for the alarm!!! sometimes missed. no resets, SUPER voice command, 264 MHz and ROM 2.8....you get me.
I think there is a general problem in consumer electronic: support for example. Once you give the money for a buy, bye bye....

Re: READ THIS!!! WM5 & HTC are taking the pi..!!
mackaby007 said:
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
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i'm not a total noob. the cingular htc wizard is my first ppc/phone though. i do have a htc faraday/wm5 and htc typhoon/sp'03 but they are simple smartphones.
i must say that you have scared me a bit.

Re: READ THIS!!! WM5 & HTC are taking the pi..!!
lpasq said:
mackaby007 said:
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
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i'm not a total noob. the cingular htc wizard is my first ppc/phone though. i do have a htc faraday/wm5 and htc typhoon/sp'03 but they are simple smartphones.
i must say that you have scared me a bit.
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Sorry Ipasq.
Maybe my bad experience is clouding my judgement somewhat. All I'm saying is that if you find yourself tweaking and upgrading more than you use the device, ....somethings wrong and you should consider what you set out for when you bought it. if your experience is a good one with minor setbacks (which your happy to live with) then ignore my experiences.
I'm currently re-testing/evaluating my Device with just the minimum of software installed, that I cannot do without, maybe that will highlight problems with a specific application (but I doubt it!) To try and remain fair to the rest of HTC product owners, I will post my findings if they are positive and I will humbly retract my complaints but if they proove to remain negative, I'll keep it to myself so as to not deter anyone from indulging in WM5 PPC/phone!
Good luck either way. :wink:

Re: Give it up!!!
mackaby007 said:
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
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Hi,
I think you have got a very bad experience there. I've been using smartphones from motorola MPX200 to Sony Ericsson's P800, Motorola's E680, O2's Blue Angel and now Dopod 838. Let me tell you, I must admit that WM2003 was quite buggy, however, the new WM2005 is real neat. I wouldn't say Microsoft has done a bad job, cos I've used worse device. P800 running on symbian was really a horror. I've promised not to ever use a symbian phone again after my bad experience with P800. (am I sterotyping then?)
As far as I am concern, WM2005 runs almost perfectly, if not flawless. and I've not experienced what you have been through. So, lets not come to a conclusion just based on your bad experience, okie?
(Kinda makes me wonder if u work for Sony, the way you put things? ) No offence plz, just my 3 cents worth. ~.~!

Re: Give it up!!!
mackaby007 said:
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
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Hmn ok thanks for the heads up in advanced. However, I don't see how converged devices will improve if SE's the only one doing it somewhat correctly.
Sure, MS and HTC probably both suck in someway, but I don't get why you had to get 4 of the same devices to figure that out. I mean like, most people won't even go past changing the same device for the 3rd time.
While I'm sure your information is valid in someway, it's kinda obvious to me that not everyone is suited to use a pda phone, or pda for that matter.
If you have that experience as a developer, you should know that new stuff that MS comes up with usually comes with a truckload of problems, in my opinion, you should have stuck with a laptop or maybe some blackberry option, or even pen/paper.
In the first place, I highly doubt that the pda phone was designed to totally do away with the traditional pen/paper combo anyway.

In the first place, I highly doubt that the pda phone was designed to totally do away with the traditional pen/paper combo anyway.
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I'll agree with this line. There isn't really an OS that can run efficiently. If you want a phone to function as a full pledged PC, it won't happen. There are a lot of things we need to sacrifice. I would suggest the Nokia 9500 as the perfect business phone for you.
To me all phones are great...
great paper weight.

what a lot of people tend to do is as soon as they get a device they automatically think they should start tweaking and updateing things.....what some people dont' understand is that every tweak and every upgrade will be different for others....people need to try out thier devices for a few days, maybe weeks depended on how often you use the devices features, and see if your device really needs the tweaks or not....that's what i do, i use my device then as soon as i see that something can be changed or needs to be tweaked i'll see if there is one out there, i do it one at a time try it out for a while then move on to the next, so that way you'll know if that tweak is really stable or not, don't do all the tweaks at one time......for some people the device is perfect right out the box.....just something to think about....

i understand your frustration ... i myself having a plethora of smartphones / pda phones ... i personally happy with my xda exec ... why? because anybody who goes into this realm of pda phones should understand that the HTC products are always been PDAs first and Phones second ... with this premise, upgrading the ROM regularly is part of the whole experience... I also have all SE p800, p900, p910 which are all great Phones then having the great PDA functionality ... while the p900 and p910 have minimal differences, they are very good phones first and then very good PDAs to boot ... but you see even the more stable SE P series phones need to restarted and have their own version of hard reset (though not as frequent as their Windows counterparts)
ps i'm not even going to those Palm Treo 600 / 650 devices which are nothing but a last ditch effort of palm to try to get into the wireless phone realm ... they are just not as good as their windows / symbian counterparts ... and why get blackberries if you can get blackberry connect on your windows mobile / nokia / sony ericsson p9xx phones?

Hi All!
Thank you very much for your candid replies. I appreciate that everyones experience will either vary somewhat or be totally different. However, I firmly believe 'If it ain't broke...don't fix it'!
I have only ever upgraded because of issues with these devices and only ever applied tweaks, because improvement was MUCH needed!
I hear you all the same though, if your not up for fight stay out of the arena. Sorry all, but I'm not a defeatest. I'm not giving up, merely venting my frustrations for becoming a free-tester for Microsoft and HTC.
It wouldn't be so bad if they offered us a 50% discount on purchasing these devices as we are the ones getting to the root of their buggy devices whilst they charge us for it and then charge us again (in FULL) when they implement our improvements into their next versions of Windows Mobile devices.
Just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it. :wink:
Old T-mobile Rom:
Rom Version: 1.3.2.2 ENU
Rom Date: 9/29/05
Radio version: 01.04.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.17
ExtRom: 1.3.2.102
Updated T-Mobile ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.2.4 WWE
Rom Date: 11/15/05
Radio version: 01.12.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.23
ExtRom: 1.6.2.105
Current ROM:
Custom ROM: O2 ROM
Rom Version: 1.5.4.2 WWE
Rom Date: 11/8/05
Radio version: 01.12.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.23
ExtRom: Removed by default (xtra 10 megs in extended ROM through total Commander)
They ALL suck (sooner or later).

HTC UNIVERSAL
Stay well clear of the XDA EXEC!
I am on number seven of the XDA Exec and finaly given up
so many faults.......
CASE MARKS>>>£600 phone and the keyboard hits the screen and rubs the letters off the keyboard AND MAKE SHINEY MARKS ON THE FACE OF THE PHONE...dont HTC test these before they sell them? EMAILED HTC ABOUT THIS ISSUE...THEY NEVER REPLIED...
SPEED.....THE FASTEST PROCESSOR AND ITS SLOWER THAN MY XDA2???
HANGS UP DURING CALLS BY ITSELF........JUST ABOUT THREW IT OUT MY CAR WINDOW....PEOPLE THINK YOUR TAKING THE PISS WITH THEM CAUSE IT HANGS UP SO OFTEN
ALARM PROGRAM IS A JOKE......SLEPT IN SO MANY TIMES CAUSE OF THIS PILE OF SH..I.T
SCREEN RES IS LOVELY BUT THE GLASS IS TOO THIN!! SO WHEN YOU WRITE ON IT THE LCD PANEL DISTORTS....ERR DOH! :evil:
Going to get it swapped, may go back to the XDA 2i or maybe the mini s but the CPU speed on that may be an issue for me :shock:

Re: HTC UNIVERSAL
kevin666 said:
Stay well clear of the XDA EXEC!
I am on number seven of the XDA Exec and finaly given up
so many faults.......
CASE MARKS>>>£600 phone and the keyboard hits the screen and rubs the letters off the keyboard AND MAKE SHINEY MARKS ON THE FACE OF THE PHONE...dont HTC test these before they sell them? EMAILED HTC ABOUT THIS ISSUE...THEY NEVER REPLIED...
SPEED.....THE FASTEST PROCESSOR AND ITS SLOWER THAN MY XDA2???
HANGS UP DURING CALLS BY ITSELF........JUST ABOUT THREW IT OUT MY CAR WINDOW....PEOPLE THINK YOUR TAKING THE PISS WITH THEM CAUSE IT HANGS UP SO OFTEN
ALARM PROGRAM IS A JOKE......SLEPT IN SO MANY TIMES CAUSE OF THIS PILE OF SH..I.T
SCREEN RES IS LOVELY BUT THE GLASS IS TOO THIN!! SO WHEN YOU WRITE ON IT THE LCD PANEL DISTORTS....ERR DOH! :evil:
Going to get it swapped, may go back to the XDA 2i or maybe the mini s but the CPU speed on that may be an issue for me :shock:
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We must be the only two dissatisfied customers left browsing these forums! :lol:
I'd advise you to go back to what works for you, cause the mini s is no better in my 'humble' opinion! :wink:

Let's hope I'm wrong!!
Just installed/updated to Qtek ROM 1.6.7.1
Will evaluate for a few days and post my experiences. Hope this prooves me wrong!!
mackaby007
Qtek ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.7.1 WWE
Rom Date: 11/28/05
Radio version: 01.13.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.24
ExtRom: 1.6.7.101

Why do you say the mini s is no better?

Qtek ROM stable!!??!! Maybe!!
kevin666 said:
Why do you say the mini s is no better?
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Well it would certainly SEEM that way until now. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I've had a Jasjar which with an updated i-mate ROM, was stable but in my opinion, underperformed (everyone says it's due to the way WM5 works - bug ridden I say). I then swapped my jasjar (at a loss of course) for a T-mobile vario (Wizard) or o2 mini s etc.
My experience is that, while no bugs are visible, these devices seem like the best thing since sliced bread, but when you've had them up and running a while, the worms come out of the woodwork.
All said and done though....I updated/changed my ROM last night to Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM and till now (about 20 hours later), not one crash, no loss of calls or uninitiated soft or hard resets! Aditionally, it SEEMS to be stable and reliable (with all my 3rd party software installed and with TI OMAP overclocking or not!).
Verdict?
Too soon to say. But I'm actually feeling rather optimistic if not just hopeful. I'm hoping that I've been wrong and that all my past experiences have been due too buggy ROMs and not WM5 & HTC. We'll see.
Another point of interest is that since I updated/changed my wifes T-mobiles MDA PRO to Qteks latest ROM, there have only been 2 lock-ups (we can live with that) and she's had that ROM for 9 days!
So it's looking like most of the instability issues we've had thus far are due to buggy ROMs.
Therefore I already feel it necessary to apologise for my negative comments and hope that anyone who has read this thread has taken the time to keep track of how things develop.
Kevin if you're interested in the mini s, don't be put of by my experiences, as there are many other factors that could have contributed to my experiences. Go for it, but be prepared for some headaches (just in case!).
Hope this helps (sorry bout the long post) :lol:
mackaby007
Qtek ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.7.1 WWE
Rom Date: 11/28/05
Radio version: 01.13.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.24
ExtRom: 1.6.7.101

I'm Wrong!!
I'm extremely happy to say, that I must be wrong, as I've not had one crash since Fridays upgrade to Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM.
So far I can complain about absolutely nothing, as I have even exceeded my normal usage of these devices to try and hasten a crash, but to no avail.
Long live Qteks ROM!!
apologies again for this whole thread, slating HTC and co.

I tend to agree with the OP. WM5 devices (or ppc and predecessors) and smartphones do a lot, but they tend to be a pain in the ass and finicky.
One simple example, when a WM device loses a GPRS connection, frequently you'll have to cycle the radio to get a usable connection again. Every time? No, but often enough, where you don't trust it. Compare this to a blackberry. With a bb, the connection is rock solid and robust. No, you don't get nearly as many features on a bb, but you can absolutely count on being able to receive a call and being able to obtain a data connection, period.
I currently use a smt5600, a wizard, and a 7290. When I'm traveling and I need to be sure that I'm communicating, I take the 7290.
I liken the comparison of WM to BB OSs to a comparison of firearms . The WM device to a Colt pistol: beatiful, but not as reliable as my spartan Glock. The blackberry is 100% Glock. MS needs to work on transitioning away from the finicky Colt towards a more reliable AND feature rich device...something Sig Sauerish, if you will.

I agree that these newer devices are bug ridden and do not function as advertised. My original Pocket PC Phone Edition was more useful than my Wizard is. If I hadn't broke it, I would not have bought a new one.
That said I, too, first bought a different device, the PDA2K. It just worked. No problems at all. Send/receive faxes, instant messaging, email, internet, great phone signal, bluetooth handsfree...but the keyboard! I just couldn't get used to it. Why did I trade in and buy the Wizard? I was stooooopid! I wanted the keyboard and EDGE. But, mostly, the keyboard. When I first saw the photos of it, I fell in love. It was, I thought, perfect! So I called up the dealer and he agreed to send me a KJAM for $350.00 and my PDA2K.
Now, here's just how stupid I was...I didn't even read the specs thoroughly enough to know that the Wizard was smaller. When I rec'd it, I was shocked! I liked the bigger size screen. A lot. Doh! What an idiot.
But, hey, that has nothing to do with the fact that the Wizard is not fully functional as delivered. That it's slooooow. That the speakerphone is a useless piece of advertisement for HTC/Imate. That the sound quality is crap, at best. That the phone doesn't have the ability to power up to a signal that's only slightly weak. That the dual core proc. is divided to be used separately by the phone and pc. That sometimes it needs to be rebooted just to get a signal, or for the bluetooth to work, or because the screen is pixelated. That you need to buy a 3rd party app. just to back it up. That A/S 4.x is also junk.
Why, oh why, didn't they just make a PDA2K with a Wizard keyboard? LOL
HTC/iMate, you got my last dollar, hope you spent it wisely.

will touch diamond support Windows mobile 7?

seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks

will holland win the European championship.............
we do not know what will happen in the future.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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Interesting, but I'm positive instead of upgrading the diamond, most people will just buy the new HTC (Probably a Touch) with WM7.

WM7 will be released at the beginning of 2009. Porbably announced earlier.
It is very likely that the Touch Diamond can run wm7 without problems. But nobody can tell you now...
Since HTC is planning for a WM7 device, they will not offer WM7 as a free upgrade for the TouchDiamond. If enough people buy the touch diamond they might offer this update for some money. Else we have to hope for some good "cooking" from the developers here in the forum...

very likely based on what?
If it's as much of an overhaul as Microsoft are saying it will be, then I'd say not supported. Will probably need a better touch screen.
Rory

withouth support for hardware features like
accelorometer and multitouch it would prob
be a kinda poor experience if it does

rorydaredkign said:
very likely based on what?
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Good question
That's why I said: Very likely...
You might as well ask: What might WM7 change that makes it very unlikely that the Touch Diamond will not be albe to run it...

I asked HTC about the Diamond2 WM7 upgrade and they answered this:
"At the moment windows mobile 7 is unknown at this time. I can not give you the exact date when it will release. But I know that there will be a new upgrade will be available soon."
So is this good or bad?

Windows Mobile 7 has high requirements... check out http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html. The Diamond's 192MB ROM isn't even close to the 512MB required. Although, when it comes out, I have a feeling that our hackers will debloat it and make it run.
But it won't be official, that's for sure.
~codeslicer

i have see on youtube many videos with diamond and Winmo7 but its very slow at this time but its work!
You will have winmo7 on your Diamond than wait its nut funny at this time
Here are 2 Videos. The first Video i think thats real its slow but the last Video is so fast i think thats a fake :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cv85Z2O5jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm7UZ71uQHs&feature=related

the second video is an APP runs on WM6.5 it's name is THE HOST and it is in 1.5 version now. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685928

As mentioned earlier the requirements are not close enough to W7p, and if you have run xdandroid, the performance is okay but not there yet.
I have seen W7p theme for android, I have tried it and it seems pretty cool
Examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8119626#post8119626
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864034

That first video looks amazing. Although I didn't expect WP7 to run sooo slowly.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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I think we might be able to install a windows 7 rom on Diamond altough it might not function properly because WM7 needs a lot more RAM and processing speed compared to WM6.1 and 6.5.

BIG BRAINS Reply
The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
- 2 Bunny

I will work like crap.
A HTC Diamond barely manages to run a W6.5...It does run , but very slow and annoying.
Would`nt recommend going W7 on a Diamond , unless you have nerves of steel ^^

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The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
I might also add that it has not been done. Probably won't either, because nobody wants to downgrade their handheld.
- 2 Bunny

Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?

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Torres 9 said:
Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?
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Nope. Nobody bothered to port it over because it would be completely pointless. Whats in it for you to downgrade anyway?
- 2 Bunny

S740

Hello,
would there be a possibility to port the rom from the upcoming s740 to the s730?
In order to get hardware accelleration, for example.
I don't understand much from rom porting. So I ask here!
gr. Rob

Instead of creating S740, HTC should improve S730. Now I feel conned by HTC - if you want good working phone, buy new one! Next smartphone or PDA, which I buy will not be from HTC as they treat their clients like this...

rob205gti said:
Hello,
would there be a possibility to port the rom from the upcoming s740 to the s730?
In order to get hardware accelleration, for example.
I don't understand much from rom porting. So I ask here!
gr. Rob
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I am going to hazard a guess that it will be possible to port out the rom from the phone, overall the phone is the same, and has GPS enabled so if you can get whatever the end result of the GPS thread here said was missing from our phone the new rom might add the software support for that to make it work.
The video exceleration might work, but the added issue is the new interface is going to be even more memory intensive and the new phone has tripple the memory. I am sure you could cut that out of the import and see about just porting the driver's for the acelleration but that driver might not support our hardware and might not work properly.
Will have to wait and see what happens when people get their hands on it and start tinkering.

All I can say is that they lost me as a customer for a long time (in these days you never say never)
The only way my phone became usable is by installing 6.1 from here.
I am still waiting for an update on the S730 that will make memory use logical.
There is no way in hell I am giving these guys any more of my money for the "improved version" of my already expensive phone.
I am going back to Palm for the Palm Treo Pro and at least suffer a little bit from faults of another company
J

We Touch Cruise owners felt the same way about the release of the Diamond. Our device is 6 months old. Instead of any fixes or updates, they release the Diamond. Furthermore, they tell us that better multimedia support will be in the form of newer devices (as opposed to much needed product updates).
Our official WM6.1 release isn't even here yet, but both the older TyTn II and the newer Diamond owners have seen ROM updates, with the Diamond having full 3D driver support and the TyTn II getting some support.

Sounds familiar indeed. Seems HTC priors the release of new mass sellers like the Diamond and the Touch pro and therefore won't work on any software updates or anything on other devices like the Touch cruise or the S730. This should be more balanced in my opinion.
They might lose a lot of customers that own HTC devices with shortages like the RAM memory leakage issue of the S730. The fact that the S740 has 256 (!!) MB RAM shows they do admit this RAM shortage of the S730. I think a 140 grams smartphone with just a 2,4 inch screen is still a bit too heavy/small these days.

All I can say is that I am very curious about a ported rom from the s740 for our s730's.
I it evident that a lot of s730 owners are very frustrated and dissappointed in HTC, as it is hard to keep ONTOPIC. Most posts are overloaded by negativity (which is justified).
For me the s730 is as close to perfect in terms of form factor as you can get. So I am not looking for a new device with more features. I want better usability and stability of my s730. And, also very important, getting the performance out of the hardware that is in it.
gr. Rob

the s740 spec wise is almost identical to our s730. hopefully some chefs can pick apart the s740 ROM and get the good parts [maybe GPS and new weather sliding panel and other stuffs].

Windows Mobile 6.5 on Touch Diamond

Hi guys,
today I talked to an HTC guy on the CeBIT convention in Hannover. I asked him about the release of Windows Mobile 6.5 for the Diamond 1 and he said that he is sure it will come as an update for the Diamond aswell. Diamond 2 will get the update, too. I tested the Diamond 2 today and I must say: AWESOME!!! That thing is so extremely fast in TouchFlo 3D. I had my Diamond 1 in one hand and the Diamond 2 in the other and now I could throw away my Diamond The new Menu for programs is nice, too. All together the Diamond 2 is much better than the Diamond and I think I will sell my Diamond 1 and buy the Diamond 2.
Greetz Frozen-GPU

did you tell him about the release date of diamond2 ?
is it on march or april ?

In fact he couldn't give me a final answer on this I guess he was not the right one to answer the question Only a salesman i think. But in my opinion it's worth waiting for Touch Diamond 2, no matter if it'll be released this or next month. There was another guy buggin' him with stupid questions about connecting HTC devices over bluetooth to his car hands free, so I left without asking more questions...

I mean no disrespect to you, but I really hope that you found the only (IMHO) honest and knowledgeable telephone company salesperson.
That in itself would be an awesome discovery, much more incredible than the 6.5 upgrade for the Diamond

That could be true...
Maybe I better wrote another title for this topic: "Diamond 2 - WOW! Windows Mobile 6.5 on Diamond 1: Very possible!"
Salesmen are really clever, but not in giving technical information

i hope this is true because there are rumors poping up that wm6.5 will only be avaiable for phones with a hardware windows start button

WIMO 6.5 on Diamond 1 not likely
The word from Microsoft is that ONLY the phones with Windows button will ever be supported as a Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. I'd say that minimizes the chance that HTC will take the time and money to develop a 6.5 rom for an old device that will probably be end of life soon.

yet tested our beloved device with a pre wm6.5 and it's too much sloooow and crappy too
I think wm6.5 needs more ram, perhaps could be sane on diamond2 but right now isn't ready to be used on diamond1

Start button?
i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use

Jazebbi said:
i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use
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I totally agree with that Put a Windows Logo sticker over the "Home" Hardwarebutton and voila ^^

I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled as to why this is a stumbling block. WinMo 6.5 will presumably be a whole new ROM and I imagine would have a few chefs cooking with it. We've seen that it will work on Diamond, it should be simple enough to map a single button to make it work.
Shouldn't it?

Winmo 6.5 on Diamond...
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!

mark14 said:
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!
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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.

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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.
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I think it is unlikely: no windows start key (which is not needed of course, but it is an advertising trick from microsoft, which imho is fearing the lack of image associated to WinMo compared to the new kids in town (android, OSX, WebOS), and is trying to get smartphone manufacturer to provide some free advertising - equivalent to "Windows Vista compatible" on the PC peripherals for example), so probably HTC will not get the OK from Microsoft on this one. Morerover, it is not sure HTC would do it even if they could (except maybe for the touch HD): Diamond2 and Pro2 will be out before WinMo6.5, so upgrading only the latest model is a way to force the previous ones (TD1/TP1) into obsolescence...especially as the specs are not so different, so any differentiation is good to get...
TouchHD successor seems further away, possibly after the release of the first 6.5 devices, or the 6.5 upgrade for TD2/TP2...so I guess official touch HD upgrade is maybe possible...

There's not going to be an update for "old Ht'c like de Touch Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD...

WinMo 6.5

So, now 6.5 is officially released, when are we going to get a proper base 6.5 ROM for our Jades? Come on, there's got to be a genius out there.

I guess all the chefs are waiting for an official HTC 6.5 final ROM dump. I mean that's what i would do, if i were a chef.

Really excited about it.Hope something will come up soon.

When is HTC likely to release an official 6.5 rom for this device?

hi
to my knowledge not now we need to wait for one of ur cooks to use one of the released Roms and cook a good bug free one for us
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When is HTC likely to release an official 6.5 rom for this device?
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I asked HTC support a few weeks ago and they replied to me that they won't release a official 6.5 ROM for the Touch 3G. I guess they prefer to sell the Touch2 instead.

olly2009 said:
I asked HTC support a few weeks ago and they replied to me that they won't release a official 6.5 ROM for the Touch 3G. I guess they prefer to sell the Touch2 instead.
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Apparently, the Touch 2 will be quite cheap in SEAsia, somewhere between the Opal and Jade. This with increased memory but same processor and same camera as Jade.

yeah i looked at a touch2 ...however the battery is only 1000amh....compared to our Touch 3G's 1100amh

Asked in HTC
I too asked in HTC support.
They told it would take some time for them to release the upgrade for our wonderful jade.
They told to visit HTC site regularly to know about the release.
Waiting for the upgrade.

forall.sri said:
I too asked in HTC support.
They told it would take some time for them to release the upgrade for our wonderful jade.
They told to visit HTC site regularly to know about the release.
Waiting for the upgrade.
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Means that WinMo 6.5 will be officialy released for our Jade !?
OMG, can't believe it !

I very much doubt there will be an official 6.5 update. Look at it from HTC's point of view, there's just no financial reason to do it.

hi
u nailed it buddy im 100% with u but then we have great cooks so im sure well get a good clean bug free ROM soon
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I very much doubt there will be an official 6.5 update. Look at it from HTC's point of view, there's just no financial reason to do it.
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xtremez said:
yeah i looked at a touch2 ...however the battery is only 1000amh....compared to our Touch 3G's 1100amh
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It's hard to figure out HTC's marketing strategy. They introduce a newer version of a product with the same or sometimes inferior features. Take the Touch cruise 2, for instance. The older one had a better camera. The screen of the Opal is lowered and that makes it hard to reach the close button. As for the official upgrade, the word out is it will only be for the diamond 2 and touch pro 2. But when it comes to hotfixes, jade comes in first with practically none= no major issues to fix.

I too have asked HTC support about WM6.5 and have gotten the same answer - no WM6.5 for the Jade. But i asked them some 3 weeks ago, or more. Things may have changed in the mean time.

digsf said:
I too have asked HTC support about WM6.5 and have gotten the same answer - no WM6.5 for the Jade. But i asked them some 3 weeks ago, or more. Things may have changed in the mean time.
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I thought 21854 is the official release. My future release features 21859 so is a bit newer than the official . I solved a problem it had with office, my mistake after all. So the in the new megade wm 6.5 will have as much bugs as the official release. (maybe a bit less/more)

If u look at the specs of the Touch2, it's very clear it's just an upgrade on Jade. Apart from the improbable stuff like RAM and ROM. the rest are nearly a match. some of the features that jade lacks, just a couple of registry tweaks and shortcut assigned keys..and you're on the GO! Save $$$...and a prettier phone. LOL

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I thought 21854 is the official release. My future release features 21859 so is a bit newer than the official . I solved a problem it had with office, my mistake after all. So the in the new megade wm 6.5 will have as much bugs as the official release. (maybe a bit less/more)
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Looking forward to it, Tommy!

Has anyone got hold old a full release WinMo6.5 and started cooking for the jade yet?????

From HTC Europe support:
Dear valued HTC customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center. We are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and answering all of your questions and concerns.
You recently wrote us about an issue that you have encountered with your Device
6.5 is available on our website for the Touch Pro 2 and the SNAP.
HTC touch diamond 2 will be uploaded shortly
this will be a free download as far as we know.
We have no information of any other devices that will be updated, but when we hear anything it will be uploaded on the website.
if the device is branded please contact the network for further updates.
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So, official 6.5 may be a long shot.

digsf said:
From HTC Europe support:
So, official 6.5 may be a long shot.
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More than a long shot I would say, since allowing Jade owners to update 6.5 would mean they would not have an incentive to upgrade to Touch 2. Phones like ours requires a lot of thought at the beginning and more user friendly phones like Nokia are hard to beat. Believe me, I've tried to convert quite a few people!