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Kaiser TyTn II and Bluetooth Audio

i really hope its me............. i hope its something i am doing wrong
i have heard virtually all HTC products...........and everyone has paired up just fine with my car bluetooth kit (BMW 3 series, 06 plate)
i eagerly awaited the Kaiser as the complete utopic device.............and i still think it is..............except..............THE WEEDY, TINNY, LOW VOLUME audio when on Handsfree !!!!!!!!!!!!
my carkit allows upto 4 devices to be memorised, so i have paired my HTC Touch, my HTC S710 and the TyTn II to it.......... the first 2 are perfect, rich, bassy sound with good volume that is perfectly audible even on the motorway.................
the TyTn II is VERY low, just about audible in stationary traffic and not at all bassy........... you remember those weedy HiFi systems that had about 5w Total output and could be bought for £29.99 !!!!!
i have seen a few posts saying the same thing........... i wonder if it is HTC's ROM that has this??? what about the T-Mobile users or perhaps the Dopod users??
i guess it is objective........... if you have never had a HTC device, you would have nothing to judge it by and therefore you are probably satisfied......but i have had LOADS of different devices, HTC and Mobile carrier branded, and none are as pathetic as the TyTn II on Bluetooth audio........... it is seriously stopping me using it as my main phone device which is such a big shame
PLEASE......... if anyone has any reg tweaks, rom upgrades, suggestions, ideas let me know.............. this £450 device is nowhere near as good as my wife's £30 mobile phone when it comes to audio...............
cheers
Mark
PS have to say, the audio is fine when you listen into the internal speaker or on speakerphone, so not sure it is the audio chip ???

Hi. I have the AT&T tilt and I noticed the same thing when using the audio section for playing mp3's via my Jabra BT620's when I play music using the built in wmp I cant quite get the volume I like so I switched to using CorePlayer 1.1.1 which has a preamp option in it and I can tell you for a fact there is nothing wrong with bluetooth volume when you do that. So it is probably going to be an easy software fix or even a simple registry hack to fix the volume issue.

waremaster said:
Hi. I have the AT&T tilt and I noticed the same thing when using the audio section for playing mp3's via my Jabra BT620's when I play music using the built in wmp I cant quite get the volume I like so I switched to using CorePlayer 1.1.1 which has a preamp option in it and I can tell you for a fact there is nothing wrong with bluetooth volume when you do that. So it is probably going to be an easy software fix or even a simple registry hack to fix the volume issue.
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that sounds good.............but as well as the Bluetooth volume its also the quality of the audio that i find hard to explain, no bass, just really tinny
but....... i would be happy to even increase the volume only at this stage!

Something to try: when bluetooth connection is active, tap the speaker icon on the taskbar of your today screen and turn the left hand volume slider up for more A2DP volume and the right hand volume slider up for more handsfree volume. I've tested the left hand slider & it works like a charm for hifi audio. On my 5 series, the audio sounded fine if I just bumped the volume using the steering wheel controls so I haven't tested the effect of the right hand slider on handsfree audio.

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Something to try: when bluetooth connection is active, tap the speaker icon on the taskbar of your today screen and turn the left hand volume slider up for more A2DP volume and the right hand volume slider up for more handsfree volume. I've tested the left hand slider & it works like a charm for hifi audio. On my 5 series, the audio sounded fine if I just bumped the volume using the steering wheel controls so I haven't tested the effect of the right hand slider on handsfree audio.
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yep, bluetooth active, tap the icon, both sides up at maximum. place a call, turn 'in call' volume up to maximum, still really low and weedy !
tried the steering wheel volume and also the radio volume and still no joy!
as i said, all other devices are fine, just the tytn!
thanks for the suggestion though

maybe theres a problem with the bluetooth/wifi ariel as i have issues with my bluetooth totally failing when i turn on wifi

It works fine with the Lexus car kit. However the audio is mono and comes from the left channel only

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It works fine with the Lexus car kit. However the audio is mono and comes from the left channel only
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if you dont want it in mono try PocketPlayer it will more then likely fix your problem. I love audible books, and this is now my default program for listening to them over bluetooth.

Definitely something wrong with mine. I think we should keep communicating with HTC until they fix it. My Blueant Z9 is unusable. No bass, and when I had the volume turned all the way up [both phone and headset], it almost broke my ear drum. Yet, I hardly can make out the sound coming from the ear set. I had no problem with 8525. It definitely has something to do with the antenna or the driver.
I am hoping HTC will respond to this asap.

I'm using a JawBone and what I notice, is when I use the headset to increase volume, the volume doesn't seem to actually be increasing, even tho the headset is giving acknowledgment beeps.
Seems I don't really have any control over the bluetooth headset volume. Nothing I can perceive anyway.
-James

I can say that the fidelity on the bluetooth stereo is absolutely awesome on mine. I just used Coreplayer so I could boost the volume a tad using the preamp settings.

maybe each profile in your car kit stores unique settings for bass etc - have you tried fiddling with its settings?

There are several threads running about this. I have Jawbones and it appears that it's mainly the phone BT audio that has issues. I can use BT audio toggle and divert Coreplayer or SlingBox or iGuidance Nav sounds out to the Jawbone and they sound loud, bassy and clear.
I then place a call and the sound is wimpy and low. It's not and antenna problem, I use BT internetsharing and BT headsets all day long with this Kaiser with good range. It's "hopefully" a software issue between the phone's audio output to bluetooth. The phone's audio quality on the naitive phone's earpiece and speaker are very good quality, better quality, than my 8525 had.
It's frustrating, it's the only major flaw in the phone and HTC seems clueless in all the responses I've seen to date.

just in case anyone is interested, i have found a small improvement by doing the following:-
using a registry editor
HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Bluetooth/A2DP/Settings
change USEJOINTSTEREO from 1 to 0
if nothing else, it just seems louder.....................
hope it helps
Mark

boyo69 said:
just in case anyone is interested, i have found a small improvement by doing the following:-
using a registry editor
HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Bluetooth/A2DP/Settings
change USEJOINTSTEREO from 1 to 0
if nothing else, it just seems louder.....................
hope it helps
Mark
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Perhaps this tweak could be included in Chainfire's utility?

Tytn II Audio Very Quiet With Bluetooth

Hi,
I have a Tytn II and I the volume when using it with my bluetooth headphones is very quiet.
I have tried to apply the following hacks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=269638
When I use TCPMP and increase the Preamp, it does get louder but the sound is distorted.
Any help will be appreciated.

I suppose you did already put the volume of your telephone to a max?
My Bluetooth stereo (Jabra BT 620s) works flawlessly (and LOUD!)

chezzorilla said:
I suppose you did already put the volume of your telephone to a max?
My Bluetooth stereo (Jabra BT 620s) works flawlessly (and LOUD!)
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AND one thing you have to remember, in the last (that I saw but may have changed since then) IEEE directive for BT audio, all devices have to start at a specific dB audio level for humanic safety. That is once connected, you have to turn the volume up on the device!! Should be in it's manual. Oh and it will revert to that default level on each connect. Anything else is against (the last but not the final!!) IEEE directive.

Man, do I feel stupid. This did the job guys. I turned the phone volume up. I thought by turnig the wheel on the phone that this did that, but I used my stylus to turn it up from the speaker icon and it worked!

Explode said:
Man, do I feel stupid. This did the job guys. I turned the phone volume up. I thought by turnig the wheel on the phone that this did that, but I used my stylus to turn it up from the speaker icon and it worked!
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Excellent pal... Join the "I have learned' clan.. we have all been there at one time or other.

What's the sound quality from the speaker like?

I currently have an XDA IIs and the sound through the speaker is kinda meh, I'm thinking of getting a Touch Pro which I assume will have the same speaker as the Diamond and I'm wondering if you who have one will give me the heads up.
What's the quality/dynamic range like?
Is it loud?
Does it distort too much at higher volume levels?
I know some may question what I can expect from a phone speaker, lol, but there can be differences.
Thanks.

Not good. The sound is thin, so as the phone.

That was honest and helpful.
Thanks.

kennykylechan said:
Not good. The sound is thin, so as the phone.
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the sound from mine is fine, works like a charm.
The external speaker is for voice, if you want it to play "decent" music get some headphones or plug it into a stereo.

Could you tell me which music player you are using??
I am using the default player in TouchFlo3D. Tried built in speaker, bundled headphone, and my own headphone with 35mm mini plug adapter...all sound like old AM radio. No bass and high pitch is a bit scratchy.
Bluetooth A2DP + my headphone is much better, though far from perfect.

kennykylechan said:
Could you tell me which music player you are using??
I am using the default player in TouchFlo3D. Tried built in speaker, bundled headphone, and my own headphone with 35mm mini plug adapter...all sound like old AM radio. No bass and high pitch is a bit scratchy.
Bluetooth A2DP + my headphone is much better, though far from perfect.
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im using the builtin one, what encoding are you're MP3's?

Checked Media Properties by CorePlayer:
Audio: MPEG Layer-3
Codec: CoreMP3
Audio Format: 44100Hz 2Ch
Data Bit Rate: 320kbit/s
Duration ~4mins
FileSize ~10MB

Thanks walshieau. My problem with headphone is solved. It was due to buggy Audio Booster. More detail here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398872
Of course I agree with you that we can't expect too much from the built in speaker.

Sound from external speaker
I have Pocket Player for my TD and it has an equalizer built in that you can customize. I have the sound from my external speaker sounding very good, ( I think) with Bass. It doesnt rock my pocket...but...its much better than it was. I find it very acceptable.

not good for mp3 ringtone it like the speaker cant Handle it
the sound get crap when you turn up the volume

such a small speaker will never sounds that great no matter what

Rudegar said:
such a small speaker will never sounds that great no matter what
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yeah right

Rudegar said:
such a small speaker will never sounds that great no matter what
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Of course. This is the answer
HastaSSSS

I come from a nokia 7710 (first real touch screen in the world) and that speaker was LOUD, the one on Diamond is kindo bad. Forget about bassss.
gbye.

Yeah, I think the problem is not just the quality, but the loudness too.
If you use this with a Sat nav program (e.g., TomTom), at the maximum volume the audio commands are not loud enough when driving and with the car's radio on
Anybody knows of any trick/tweak to modify the volume range on Diamond, even if it gets distorted, as I really just need loudness for sat nav directions.

Headphones

Hi there,
the included headset has this nice small control element for the music player but sadly you cant unplug the headphones and use your own ones. I checked HTC's website for a small adapter, so i could use my own.
But sadly the adapter only offers a call accept/call end-button, no player controls.
Does anyone know a good headset/adapter with player controls like this, but for 3,5mm, working with the HD2?
Thanks!

wait a minute... you cant use your own 3.5mm headphones? that would blow. i hope you misunderstood you.

soulstice said:
wait a minute... you cant use your own 3.5mm headphones? that would blow. i hope you misunderstood you.
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Nono, you didnt get me right^^...you can use your own, but then you have no microphone and no music player control through this small control unit.
What i want is to disconnect the headphones near the control unit so that i can use the microphone/control unit from HTC with my own headphones! But there needs to be another 3,5mm jack on the control unit...but obviously there isnt...
The link ive included in my previous post shows what i mean, its a headset from HTC for the Hero.

Hi there,
Why don't you use Shure SE530? It may not have the controls you are looking for ... but the sound ... ... just makes you forget all the things you have "thought" you wanted =)

s161008 said:
Hi there,
Why don't you use Shure SE530? It may not have the controls you are looking for ... but the sound ... ... just makes you forget all the things you have "thought" you wanted =)
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Cause i dont want to spent half of the money the HD2 cost me for a pair of headphones God damnit, those things are expensive!
I wanna have the best of both worlds, thats why i would like to see this remote control with a separate 3,5mm jack for my own headphones...

I won Zagg headphones - good sound quality and it has a control button and hardware volume control. The button works with HD2 - you can stop/pause in the HTC Player. I did not check what it does during a call.

HTC <3's us..
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/cy/p_htc_item.aspx?i=188904
ah! no play / pause button :-(

rich_13 said:
HTC <3's us..
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/cy/p_htc_item.aspx?i=188904
ah! no play / pause button :-(
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Yeah, i found those ones too...but sadly no play/pause...

-Vulture- said:
Yeah, i found those ones too...but sadly no play/pause...
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On the headphones that are included the answer/hangup button also performs the play/pause function. So I think they should work for you. Just no Fast Frorward/Rewind/Skip function.

maybe you can try bluetooth headset. I have Samsung SBH-500, sound quality is brilliant, and it have controls exactly what you need... (plus volume controls )

Edje said:
On the headphones that are included the answer/hangup button also performs the play/pause function. So I think they should work for you. Just no Fast Frorward/Rewind/Skip function.
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Yeah, i know that...but doesnt matter if the headphones on this headset are crap (no in ears -> crap for me )

-Vulture- said:
Yeah, i know that...but doesnt matter if the headphones on this headset are crap (no in ears -> crap for me )
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I agree! That's why I took out the soldering iron (and looking glass) and mounted my Sennheiser CX400-II's on the control unit of the standard headphones.
What I meant to say was that the HS U350 set may work for you because the one button should probably have the same double function as the middle one on the standard headphones

Edje said:
I agree! That's why I took out the soldering iron (and looking glass) and mounted my Sennheiser CX400-II's on the control unit of the standard headphones.
What I meant to say was that the HS U350 set may work for you because the one button should probably have the same double function as the middle one on the standard headphones
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Great tip!
So you don't even lose microphone, because it's in this button housing right? First time, that you can do something with this equipment

Donald24 said:
Great tip!
So you don't even lose microphone, because it's in this button housing right? First time, that you can do something with this equipment
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Yeah, maybe thats the only choice we have left, if HTC is not able to get another type of headset out in the next weeks...

wont chopping and soldering headphones create massive oxidisation of the lead. Not to mention the increases resistance for the signal to go through poor quality copper cable then suddenly in to good quality OFC copper.
You'd probably lose 50% of the quality the Sennheiser are supposed to punch out.

If controlling music is the problem then you will either need to solder an existing control pad onto your headphones or use something like the rce100 that lets you use your own headphones.
If it's just the mic you need then you will probably be able to use your headphones as I've currently got the westone um3x (which has no inbuilt) mic attached to the hd2 and the phone automatically routes calls to the hd2's inbuilt mic when i'm listening to music with mortplayer. So provided your hd2 isn't out of reach you will be able to listen through your headphones and talk through the handset like on Nokias.

Does anyone know of anyone who creates mic/music controls that take your own headphones that might work? Doesn't the iFone support this? If I have to settle for play/pause only I will, but I'd like to keep the track skip if at all possible.
I have a pair of Bose earphones which are really nice, but it's much easier to hit the pause on the HTC 'phones when someone wants to distract me in work than turn the screen on, go back to the music screen, then hit pause.

I have one of these from MobileFun:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/apple-iphone-stereo-handsfree-adapter-p15226.htm
Less than £12. It has vol slider and call/answer, you plug in your own phones. The call button works as play/pause in WMP, Sense and PocketPlayer, but haven't been able to get it working in MortPlayer. If anyone has any tips for getting it working in MortPlayer I'd appreciate it!

i have this combo, that work very nice
http://www.amazon.de/Shure-iPhone-Music-Adapter-Mikrofon/dp/B000UD205K
http://www.ciao.de/Denon_AH_C_551__7747938
and this ^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502881&highlight=audio

MadBastard said:
and this ^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502881&highlight=audio
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with this cab you can use an iphone cable right??? that was what i was looking for!! thanks a lot!
but it also takes calls etc too right?

[Q] Headset sound quality

Hello Everyone,
I have a Moto Milestone. I would like to use Milestone as MP3 player. I plugged the original Milestone headset and the sound quality was awful. There was no sub bass at all!) From that time, I used my previous phone (Nokia N73) as MP3 player (it's sound is extremely good compare to Milestone.)
Today I got a Nokia headset with a voice call button on it. I plugged it to my Milestone and the sound was awful, BUT if I push the button on the Headset the sound of the Milestone become extremely beautiful, I hear sub basses and higher sounds too.
Can anyone has idea for this? Can someone tell me, how will such a good voice come from Milestone's original headset?
Thanks.

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Hi There,
There is no one, who has this problem?

I just use DSP Manager and poweramp's EQ to adjust the audio. Now I get really good audio from it after massive tweaking.
Still not as good as my old Archos Gmini400.
Also I re-read your post and that thing with the headset button is weird as hell.
I just use fairly high end headphones. (AKG K518LE)

max_3000 said:
I just use DSP Manager and poweramp's EQ to adjust the audio. Now I get really good audio from it after massive tweaking.
Still not as good as my old Archos Gmini400.
Also I re-read your post and that thing with the headset button is weird as hell.
I just use fairly high end headphones. (AKG K518LE)
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Thanks for the answer. But it is true. I use a Sony-Ericsson X10 mini's headset and if I push the button in the headset, the sound quality became as same as my Sennheiser HD435.
I'm thinking about short-circuited the headset's button ...