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Since a lot of people is interested in the idea of running Linux on a Wizard and i started discussing it in a thread not with that subject (check page 3 HERE) i decided to start a new one to see how the concept can grow.
What am i talking about you might say.
Well, it's what the title says: Running Linux from the DOC chip instead from an SD card on top of WinCE.
Well, technically it would still run from RAM (as it happens with WinCE) but the OS image would always be preserved on the DOC chip and every boot would load Linux from it to RAM.
All in all, it's basically the action of replacing the Windows Mobile by Linux, except if any technical detail is escaping me; but that's what i think this thread should be for.
mestrini
I'll start with a little background info...
When the SPL starts it applies security restrictions and, above all, it initializes the hardware to be ready for the OS. After things go fine with the hardware the SPL jumps to a ROM (DOC chip) address where the OS image is stored and is copied/mirrored into RAM (+-40 seconds boot).
It is from RAM that all the magic you see happens. The only times WinCE accesses the DOC is when needs to store persistent data like registry values and user data (in User Area).
The way Linux OS is being ran on Wizards currently is via 'Haret jump' which requires a working device running WinCE.
HaRET is capable of replacing WinCE with a Linux kernel. In order for this to work, one musthave a Linux kernel customized for the device. (For example, an HTC Universal kernel will not boot on an HTC Magician phone.) When trying to boot a kernel downloaded from the internet, please try to also locate the device specific booting instructions - most developers that publish kernels will also publish instructions (or even "boot bundles" that automate the boot).
In the simplest case, one can launch Linux by running the HaRET command:
boot
The above will cause HaRET to load a kernel from the file "kernel" into memory, shutdown critical hardware, and then jump into the kernel. During the process, HaRET will write status messages to the LCD screen.
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If, as i believe, the Linux drivers are loaded after the OS has started (or while it starts) we can use same HTC boot loaders since "all" they do is initialize the hardware and give the order to copy the OS to RAM.
What i purpose here is to write the Linux over Windows Mobile (same address if possible) to avoid using Haret and to have it permanently stored on the DOC chip.
A question rises here which is how the Linux stores permanent data???
To write the Linux to the DOC chip i think the available options are via RUU with 'bogus' nk.nbf or via a RAPI tool like WST while WinCE is running. The changes would be noted only after rebooting the device
Another thing that i believe it's an issue is the way Haret loads the kernel. Does it do anything in particular? Something that can be patched in a SPL? From the Haret link above i believe it must use the instruction 'boot' (at least) to load the kernel from the file "kernel" and this is where it should complicate things since it would require to patch the SPL to do the same thing. Can it be done? Only guys like Olipro can answer that...
So here it is. What say you?
Cheers
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So here it is. What say you?
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I'm impressed by your imagination
Please read this wiki page first ->
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_DiskOnChip
You generally should not care about weird HTC things like SPL. Writing the driver to control G3/G4 chip is the key issue here.
olipro will strart porting Ubuntu for the Htc Wizard on the 1st of august...i will keep you updated...
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olipro will strart porting Ubuntu for the Htc Wizard on the 1st of august...i will keep you updated...
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Can you tell us the link too from where we can also get updates about Olipro porting Ubuntu to Wizard. THNX
from me) i'm the link...i have direct contact with olipro...so i'll keep you informed...all hail Oliprofessor
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from me) i'm the link...i have direct contact with olipro...so i'll keep you informed...all hail Oliprofessor
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If thats the case good then, but please update as early as possible and confirm everything before telling. THNX
I have a question will olipro be working with the LinWizard project?? or would he be doing something different?
Thing is ive been waiting for the linwizard project to be ready ever since ive gotten my wizard. So hopefully we get to try something new on our poor outdated wizards 3 cheers for olipro hip hip horray
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I have a question will olipro be working with the LinWizard project?? or would he be doing something different?
Thing is ive been waiting for the linwizard project to be ready ever since ive gotten my wizard. So hopefully we get to try something new on our poor outdated wizards 3 cheers for olipro hip hip horray
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As xardas_90 has mentioned above i dont think they'll be working with linwizard they will be porting the Ubuntu Linux to the Wizard and i hope they dont forget to add the phone and sms and other features tht Linwizard doesnt has.
no! we are not working with linwizard....and the first versions of ubuntu will not support sms and cellular radio....but they will be added shortly...i will update you asap after the project will be started
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no! we are not working with linwizard....and the first versions of ubuntu will not support sms and cellular radio....but they will be added shortly...i will update you asap after the project will be started
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There is no use of having Ubuntu without SMS or Cellular Radio so ill be waiting until the they be available.
no release date yet but it will develop very fast...i'll keep you updated....all the best....
Don't forget to tell olipro to add SMS and Cellular Radio features they are most important without them Ubuntu Linux for Wizard would be not of much use and ask him one more thing, he shuld make a software that would run on WM and Linux both so that Data from WM could be backed up and Restored on Linux. I just cant wait to see how it looks, and it would be a great surprise if they launch a beta or anything on 3rg August you know y? Cause its my Birth Day.
happy birthday hasseb...as i said we have no exact release date but i'm sure it will be released really soon....of course Ubuntu on your phone is a jewl but without cellular and sms you can't experiience it's real magic...cheers for Olipro and Mestrini
Thanks for the Happy Birthday, can you please solve my problem in my this threa http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2433749#post2433749 and when would i become a senior member after 100 posts?
I will be Keeping an eye on this thread with intrest to see where it goes my only wish is that the gsm radio would also be implemented .
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I will be Keeping an eye on this thread with intrest to see where it goes my only wish is that the gsm radio would also be implemented .
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GSM Radio will also be implemented but not at early stage i wouldsay after some time. and i hope tht some time is early. TC
People today is the lucky day when Olipro starts its Project. Lets hope for the best!!!! I'm really really excited.
Any news so far?
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Any news so far?
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guys, this has allready been done on a TI OMAP Cpu, for the linux SX1 a few years ago.
here are a few links of the project, including a youtube video. Hope it helps!
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SiemensSX1
http://linux-on-sx1.wiki.sourceforge.net/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCOV5cgQOo
the only thing i haven't done in my sx1. It was fully patched and overclocked from 120mhz to 192mhz. ohhh the good old days of symbian 6.1 and siemens!
I am trying to get the cool 4 shortcut buttons and was directed to something called Cookies Home Tab. I installed it but no program showed up.
I would then try and uninstall it an install it again with sense deactivated, but when choosing uninstall on the program (which shows up on the "remove program" menu, but not in the start menu) the "busy-cursor" is just rotating and nothing happens. I tried powering off and try again, and the same thing happens: It says its uninstalling, but it takes forever and nothing happends.
Can someone help? How do I get the program properly installed. I am running a danish original rom and assumed it would be compatible when directed there. I am not sure where to find my sense version. Can it be that its 2.16xxxxx or is that windows?
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I am trying to get the cool 4 shortcut buttons and was directed to something called Cookies Home Tab. I installed it but no program showed up.
I would then try and uninstall it an install it again with sense deactivated, but when choosing uninstall on the program (which shows up on the "remove program" menu, but not in the start menu) the "busy-cursor" is just rotating and nothing happens. I tried powering off and try again, and the same thing happens: It says its uninstalling, but it takes forever and nothing happends.
Can someone help? How do I get the program properly installed. I am running a danish original rom and assumed it would be compatible when directed there. I am not sure where to find my sense version. Can it be that its 2.16xxxxx or is that windows?
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If you cannot find your manila version, or at least search on how to find it, you really need to learn more before you mess up your phone.
I assume you did a hard reset after your registry issue. If not I suggest you do as you will probably have to do it a few times as you attempt to customize your device.
Your manila version can be found in Settings\Device Info\Software Info.
Read the thread on Cookies Home tab for compatable versions and install instructions. Post your questions there.
p.s. Thanks for implying...
I am really sorry for sounding like a total noob, but I DID read the post, installation instructions and whats not. I also read the "how to find your manila version" which also said to go to settings tab - device info - software info. The thing is that its danish on my phone and I cant find anything called device info on my tab, only "about" which leads me to a webpage with a lot of copyright and legal mumble jumble.
When going to settings - advanced - about the device I get a tab called version, where it says Rom Version 2.16.403.1 (67041) dan. But I dont know if thats it.
But lord, how many original stock roms can there be? Its a pretty new phone and I installed every HTC update available to me. I must say that configuring this little diamond seems to take a rocket scientist or above. I can use a computer pretty well, but getting a little modifications to the HTC UI seems to take a phd
You seem like a nice guy, and I would like to learn. Maybe you can help me out so I dont have to ask so many noobish questions. I really tried to learn by myself but it is a new world to me and it is quite overwhelming.
1) I read that installing a rom is ireversible. Does that really mean that I under no circumstances can replace the original software? Is a cooked rom really a whole other OS and replace windows mobile 6.5 completely? Or is it just a modified windows?
2) What is the distinction between HTC Sense, Touch Flo and Manila, if any? As far as I read the black and white icons is manila and the colored ones is sense... Is that true? And does that mean that I cant use any programs that needs manila to run if I have the HTC Ui with the colored icons?
I hope the above questions helps me to a basic understanding, so I further on dont have to ask so many questions.
PS) after installing TD2 tools my screen rotation line in my system registry came back, and I got rid of the landscape.. Thats one problem solved. Call recording aswell. If I find a way to get these 4 shortcut-buttons available and set one of them to my to-do list I think Im done.. No more tampering.. I promise.
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1) What exactly is the difference between installing Cookies Home tab and installing another rom? As I understand it, a rom is a whole other OS, where this software only is a skin? Correct?
Correct, The ROM is the whole OS, where CHT is a modification to the Sense (Manila) UI.
2) I read that installing a rom is ireversible. Does that really mean that I under no circumstances can replace the original software?
No, You must first install hard SPL to be able to flash a cooked(custom) ROM.
Once you install HSPL, your device is considered "out of warranty".
However you can reflash a Stock ROM and then reflash Stock SPL to return the phone to the factory state for warranty purposes. So it can be reverted.
3) What is the distinction between HTC Sense and Manila, if any?
They are one and the same, also referred to as Touch Flo 3D (TF3D)
4) The original question about getting Cookie to work, if someone feels like helping.
If you have installed Cookie's Home Tab and soft reset, when you are on your home screen you should see the flip clock (assuming that in Settings\System\Home\Items is set to HTC Sense), on top right of that is a little dash, this opens up additional panels for your shortcuts.
There should also be a new program possibly in settings or \Programs\Tools called CHTEditor to access your tab settings.
I suspect that it installed, you just didn't know how to access it.
Lemme know.
PS) after installing TD2 tools my screen rotation line in my system registry came back, and I got rid of the landscape.. Thats one problem solved. Call recording aswell. If I find a way to get these 4 shortcut-buttons available I think Im done.. No more tampering.. I promise.
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See above for answers. One quick word of advice; If the program interfaces with your today screen, phone functions, etc. install to device memory and never to Storage Card. Programs that just tweak the registry and settings can be installed to SD card.
Uhm, and I wouldn't be promising anything because its addicting. Once you pop, you can't stop!
Sorry.. I edited my post while you were answering. I found the preguide to roms which was just about basic enough to enlighten me. Your answers helped a lot to, and everything fell into place.
I do think that I will stay away from flashing as it seems like risky business.. The option to hard-reset without to much hassle seems like the emergency brake I like available to me
At the moment I am trying to reinstall Cookies Home Tab, but the installation just hangs.. Probably because it wasnt uninstalled correctly. Any tips other than Hard Resetting which means several hours of setup
Edit: Ahh f... it.. I may aswell do it.. All the tampering made my phone slow anyway.. Now I know what I need and can get it to work without too much experimenting..
Thanks dude.
I did some research on your stock ROM and it looks like you are running Manila 2.1 which is the older version so many tweaks you are attempting may be for 2.5.
You would be better off changing ROMs.
Here is a download of our stock ROM for warranty purposes, keep it just in case. You may have to register for the site, but you may also find a nice cooked ROM in your language on that site. Dutty is a great chef and I use his ROMs because of their stability.
I can attempt to walk you through HSPL, but there have been many issues lately. Almost seems like the only way to get it to work is to "donate" to the developer.
Okay Mr Dope Pusher.. i see where you are going.. Telling me to stay away from these sheningans and 1 hour later you got me hooked anyway
Jokes aside.. Yes.. I Do think I am gonna need some help here.. While the stock backup rom is downloading I will try and find out for myself, but I would very much like some confirmation on what to do before I take the leap.. Stay tuned and thank you very much.. Your help is very appriciated.
I have a question though.. Now I downloaded the stock rom, but what if my phone breaks when Duttys Rom is installed.. Then I wont be able to reinstall the original rom before sending it in for repair. And then Im screwed warranty wise, right?
..., in anticipation of your next question;
As long as you have over 50% battery and do not interupt the flash (unplug the USB) there are very few chances of it bricking.
I have never had it happen and most errors are correctable with a hard reset. It really sounds worse than it is.
Most devices get bricked because the user attempts to flash a cooked ROM w/o HSPL or a ROM or radio from another device.
I have attached 3 files.
Do the following after you download these files;
1. Remove your SIM and SD card.
2. Sync your device to your PC through Active Sync or WMDC depending on your windows version.
2. Copy the enablenewrapi.cab to your device through file explorer and install
to device memory.
3. Open both the SPL 1.83 and the RUU zip files and place contents of both into a new folder.
4. Run the RUU.exe and you should see a progress screen appear.
5. With any luck, you won't get stuck at 0% and the flash will complete.
As the screen states, it may take up to 10 minutes. You will see your device disconnect from active sync, which is normal. Let it run until it completes and do not open anything or let your PC go into standby. Also, you may want to disable your AV and any firewalls as these can mess with the installation.
Make sure you have greater than 50% battery before you attempt this as any interuption during the flashing process can brick your device.
If the steps above complete, you can go into bootloader mode by holding down both volume keys right after you hit the soft reset buton, but before the device begins to boot. You may have to try a couple of times if you are not fast enough. Or you can power off the device then hold both volume keys and press the power button. In bootloader mode which is a tri colored screen, you should see SPL: 1.83.Olinex, then you will know it has installed correctly.
From this point, you are able to flash any cooked Topaz ROM.
The ROM flashing process is the same as HSPL in regards to placing the ROM's .nbh file into the same folder as the custom RUU.exe, so keep that RUU.exe file for future use.
You need only flash HSPL once to continue to flash as many ROMS as you like.
If you ever have to revert to stock, you would install the ROM you downloaded, then find the StockSPL file from the HSPL thread and follow the instructions.
Always hard reset after you flash a new ROM.
**If you are not successful in flashing HSPL, you will need to go to the HSPL thread and read up on opening a ticket with HTC Support, which will give you an autoinstaller that will work once you donate through the program. I believe they are asking for 4gbp.
Ok.. And one of the above files is the Dutty Rom? Edit: Oh I se.. It isnt.. I will download it then..
Will it look and feel similar to Sense, just with more features and customisation options?
You write: Most devices get bricked because the user attempts to flash a cooked ROM w/o HSPL or a ROM or radio from another device.
Can you please elaborate? I understand it like you need to make sure I install the hspl first before cooking, but "radio" from another device. Please explain it for a dummy as me, so I dont attempt to do it by accident.
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Ok.. And one of the above files is the Dutty Rom? Is it available in danish as is, or do I have to do something.
Will it look and feel similar to Sense, just with more features and customization options?
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No, I have not provided you with a ROM, just the HSPL unlocker.
You can go to HTCPedia and search for a Danish ROM with manila 2.5, or take a look through the ROM development thread and find one from another chef. It should have Sense installed but 2.5 unless it states otherwise. 2.5 has more features and functions and is the most current.
Many ROMs are multilanguage so I believe you select your region language when the ROM first loads. Just look for one that supports DAN. I use WWE (World Wide English) so I am not experienced with multilanguage variations.
Just make sure your HSPL is successful before you attempt to flash a ROM.
If you search hard enough you may even find a ROM with CHT cooked in which will alleviate you from having to install it yourself, but I suspect that your previous install didn't work because your on Sense 2.1
I have never used CHT, but use Max Manila Themes which is just a different mod, but I am thinking about trying CHT.
I'll take a look and see what I can find.
Regarding Radios;
A stock ROM comes with the OS and Radio ROM.
Most cooked ROMs take just the OS and tweak it for best performance, adding programs, removing other useless programs and do not include the radio ROM, therefore you will still have your stock Radio unless you flash a cooked ROM that has included the radio (usually denoted in the title of the ROM by the radio#, i.e. 4.49.25.57 (which is a Topaz radio version)
The only time you can brick is you attempt to install a radio from another device (sometimes they work better) such as a Blackstone radio to a Topaz device unless your SIM is unlocked or attempting to flash a Topaz radio w/o HSPL.
Personally, there are enough Topaz radios posted in the radio thread that I don't need my SIM unlocked to try others.
Symptoms of a problem radio are poor signal strength, rapid battery loss and your device heating up.
I have switched my radio ROM a few times but honestly haven't noticed a difference from my stock radio.
The stock ROM you downloaded would replace your Stock Radio if you happen to flash to a different one.
Your region and carrier are also a factor in choosing a radio, so again, just stick to stock unless you have issues.
Dude.. That radio thingie made me EXTREMELY paranoid and I see that there is dozens of different roms from dutty and thousands of rom in general where many of them seems to come with radio-thingies... I am extremely afraid of choosing something that will brick my system, so please, please help me through this, even though you already have been extremely helpful.
If I were on my own, I would go with this:
http://htcpedia.com/duttys_topaz_wm_leo_r_rtm_e11d19c3e22de899a/soft/htc-topaz-rom.html
But to be honest I dont know if it will work on my device or if I will be able to get it with a danish language pack..
Please help me choose the right one.... I am ready to rock, so I hope for a quick reply, and I promise I will do a extra good deed tomorrow to repay the world for all the help you gave me tonight.
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Dude.. That radio thingie made me ETREMELY paranoid and I see that there is dozens of different roms from dutty and thousands of rom aswell where many of them seems to come with radio-thingies... I am extremely afraid of choosing something that will brick my system, so please, please help me through this, even though you already have been extremely helpful.
If I were on my own, I would go with this:
http://htcpedia.com/duttys_topaz_wm_leo_r_rtm_e11d19c3e22de899a/soft/htc-topaz-rom.html
But to be honest I dont know if it will work on my device or if I will be able to get it with a danish language pack..
Please help me choose the right one.... I am ready to rock, so I hope for a quick reply.
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Don't sweat it Bro, if its posted as a Topaz ROM then its got the Topaz Radio, the only thing you risk is not being able to connect to certain 3G bands.
I've used Dutty's R-8 and its not a bad ROM, but its a little outdated and I didn't see that it had multi language support.
I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????
"I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????"
Then it aint just me being total clueless.. I cant find any either..
Im bafled by this world.. I basically have two modest demands: To record calls in mp3 and get easy access to my to-do list.. preferably on my homescreen, but just as good by one of the nifty Hotbuttons Ive seen in pictures..
To get those two modest demands fulfilled I either:
- Need to give up on my danish interface and crack my phone beyond warranty and a chance of bricking it.
- Disable HTC sense and go with WM interface
I know how limited I would be with any other phone, but this road I got myself on is really amazing
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"I am really having a hard time locating a Danish language ROM.
I find FRE. GER, ITA, ESN, NLD, WWE, but no DAN????"
Then it aint just me being total clueless.. I cant find any either..
Im bafled by this world.. I basically have two modest demands: To record calls in mp3 and get easy access to my to-do list.. preferably on my homescreen, but just as good by one of the nifty Hotbuttons Ive seen in pictures..
To get those two modest demands fulfilled I either:
- Need to give up on my danish interface and crack my phone beyond warranty and a chance of bricking it.
- Disable HTC sense and go with WM interface
I know how limited I would be with any other phone, but this road I got myself on is really amazing
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I found some Danish support threads, just search Danish Topaz in XDA and you may find something to load over a WWE rom.
Personnaly I think you will be disappointed if you do not take the plunge.
I had a Rhodium before my Topaz and once I go tmy Topaz, I couldn't stand it. It wouldn't do half the **** my Rhodium did. Because I had my Rhodium flashed to custom.
Finally HSPL was released and I flashed it immediately and can't believe I ever liked that other brick of a phone.
Take your time, get comfy with the process first, and read lots on the language packs.
The brick warning is just a disclaimer and it is very difficult to achieve if you follow the steps correctly.
I know these are expensive toys to take a chance on, but they really are only at 50% capacity out of the box. What a waste....
Bruce, dude, you're a saint. This is why so many folks look to xda for help. You should be commended, but probably won't be! You got my vote.
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Bruce, dude, you're a saint. This is why so many folks look to xda for help. You should be commended, but probably won't be! You got my vote.
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Thanks JD!
Is that commended or condemed???
Just trying to give a little back.
Greetz from SoCal.
I agree.. The helpfulnes here has been overwhelming, and has given me the bravery to try this out. But I am still very nervous.
Let me sum up what I learned from tonight.
1) When following your instructions I will have a phone which I can modify with custom roms.
2) As long as I am 100 % sure the rom is for Topaz I dont have to worry about messing up and bricking my phone due to doing wrong stuff to the radio-thingie? (yes, I still dont understand what that is)
3) I will be able to get back to factory defaults and warranty by installing the official rom you linked and afterwards install the original spl thingie afterwards?
4) Should I mess up and brick my phone, there is a fair chance of being able to restore it by the help of another device and a micro SD-card? (See I DO try and learn myself.. (Its probably incorrect though ))
5) I need to give up on the danish interface, but I will without too much hassle be able to get a danish keyboard?
6) To be absolutely sure not choosing a wrong ROM, please confirm this one as a possible choice: "Duttys Topaz HG R10 [5.2.23541.5.5.0]"
It is downloading and I am ready to take the leap... Geronimoooo!
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I agree.. The helpfulnes here has been overwhelming, and has given me the bravery to try this out. But I am still very nervous.
Let me sum up what I learned from tonight.
1) When following your instructions I will have a phone which I can modify with custom roms.
Yes
2) As long as I am 100 % sure the rom is for Topaz I dont have to worry about messing up and bricking my phone due to doing wrong stuff to the radio-thingie? (yes, I still dont understand what that is)
Radio controls cell signal, GPS and WiFi connections.
3) I will be able to get back to factory defaults and warranty by installing the official rom you linked and afterwards install the original spl thingie afterwards?
Yes
4) Should I mess up and brick my phone, there is a fair chance of being able to restore it by the help of another device and a micro SD-card? (See I DO try and learn myself.. (Its probably incorrect though ))
Exactly.
5) I need to give up on the danish interface, but I will without too much hassle be able to get a danish keyboard?
Bingo!
6) To be absolutely sure not choosing a wrong ROM, please confirm this one as a possible choice: "Duttys Topaz HG R10 [5.2.23541.5.5.0]"
That's the one I am currently running. Great ROM!
It is downloading and I am ready to take the leap... Geronimoooo!
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I'm usually not on the forum as much on the weekends but if you get stuck, shoot me a PM which will notify my e-mail and I'll see if I can help.
I take it you were successful with HSPL? If so, thats most of the battle!
Peace!
"5. With any luck, you won't get stuck at 0% and the flash will complete."
Well... Guess what...
Can someone please help.. Im stucked here and having a stroke.
Edit: Tried on 2 different computers and its the same: Stuck on 0 %.. Antivirus disabled.
Ok first off I am really sorry for the stupidity and should have paid more attention. I was flashing the NBH on my Tilt 8925 and I got the wrong one! it was the KAISIMG-PANEL1-428.NBH that I downloaded and now the text is hard to read and it wont install and I cant change it. Right after I did that I found the forum that told you witch one to use. I wanted to cry!!! So what I'm asking is my phone done for? or is there a way to fix this? like through the andboot folder somehow?
Thank you for any help at all!!!
you learn from your mistakes though, I'm sure I wont do that again
Fixed it! :d
After I gave up I remembered someone said to hold the camera and the power button and reset buttons. I did that just to see what it would do and the colored screen came up with usb at the bottom. so I triad the right file and ran it again and it worked! Now I'll have to give it another go!
so this can be deleted now Thanks!
Just for future reference.
If you flash the wrong nbh with android, you should be able to flash the correct one using either the SD method, or the USB method.
Above all, do not panic, panic bricks more devices than bad flashes ever did
Since this is the Android area, I must say we are extremely lucky, since we are able to flash a new nbh without losing anything at all as far as the OS is concerned, your data and system files will remain intact, flashing an android nbh only replaces the zImage and the android bootloader files, unlike WM where you flash the whole OS and lose everything
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That's good to know because I thought I lost the phone for good. I didn't have any data on it that I needed, I was trying to install android to nand and just got the wrong NBH.
The only thing now that would keep me with WM 6.5 is cant get the wifi to work right. It connects to the router but the internet cuts out very bad, like it will work for 10 seconds then cant get it to work at all for 20min then it will load a web page then doesn't work again!
I did the same thing to my Tilt. I downloaded the Kaiser for Super Eclair and flashed it and did not not know I did not flashed the HardSPL.nbh.
I finally figured it out and flashed the HardSPL.nbh. It is at 3.29 right now. But I the phone keep getting error after the penguin screen with scrolling text. It said something about unable to read data. How do I fix this problem?
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I did the same thing to my Tilt. I downloaded the Kaiser for Super Eclair and flashed it and did not not know I did not flashed the HardSPL.nbh.
I finally figured it out and flashed the HardSPL.nbh. It is at 3.29 right now. But I the phone keep getting error after the penguin screen with scrolling text. It said something about unable to read data. How do I fix this problem?
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Jesus... the last post is more the 1year old.
I know you must search, but if the last post is that old, the probability that everything in it is outdated, is near 100%.
Well, that is the what I found. I hate digging up old post especially when it's that old.
ive done a lot of research and still cant find a solution. im sort of a newb, heres the problem my wifes TP2 when she turns it off and turns it back on the phone gets stuck on bootloadr screen, tried to hard reset but wont do anything. but when i plug it with usb to my laptop if i soft reset it will boot up.I read that alot of people had the same problem and just had to install a coocked rom, well i did i installed energys rom but it still had the same issue. Now its back to stock rom. any info on how to fix this is appreciated and thnx in advance.
Get it replaced under warranty
if you were able to flash a cooked rom, you must have installed hard-spl.
when did you do this, after the problem appeared to be able to flash the energy rom, or before? maybe this could be the problem...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606078
here is a thread on the subject already.
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if you were able to flash a cooked rom, you must have installed hard-spl.
when did you do this, after the problem appeared to be able to flash the energy rom, or before? maybe this could be the problem...
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well the first time her phone did it i googled the problem and it brought me here, a thread that said stuck at bootloader screen and their solution was flashin a cooked rom. well it got the phone to boot after i did that but every time if she turns it off and back on it gets sutck at the tri color screen. i installed hard spl when i was flashin rom.
here is a thread on the subject already.[/QUOTE]yea been at that thread also,but my problem is that when i turn the phone off and when i turn it back on it wont boot up it just gets stuck there, like i stated above i already flashed hard spl and flashed a energy rom but it still does the same thing. i flashed the phone back to the original rom but is still gets stuck, the phone works as long as she dont turn it off but after awhile her ram goes up to like 80 so i have to turn it off, and to turn it back on i have to use my laptop. and thanx for the help guys i really appreciate it. and phone dont have warranty i bought it on craigslist.
Since it's going to the tri-color bootloader screen, seeing as normally to get to that screen you would hold volume down on boot, have you checked inside the back of the case to make sure there isn't dirt/debris jamming the volume down button? If the volume adjusts normally once you do get it booted, that may not be it, or maybe it's just a short in the key.
Also, both the stock ROM and energy ROMs are bad about eating ram, and need to be rebooted regularly. Maybe try one of the ROMs that doesn't, like a Jackos rom, which you can leave running for days without a reset. Might not solve your problem, but might at least take some of the bother out of it.
FL5 said:
Since it's going to the tri-color bootloader screen, seeing as normally to get to that screen you would hold volume down on boot, have you checked inside the back of the case to make sure there isn't dirt/debris jamming the volume down button? If the volume adjusts normally once you do get it booted, that may not be it, or maybe it's just a short in the key.
Also, both the stock ROM and energy ROMs are bad about eating ram, and need to be rebooted regularly. Maybe try one of the ROMs that doesn't, like a Jackos rom, which you can leave running for days without a reset. Might not solve your problem, but might at least take some of the bother out of it.
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I take it you haven't used the latest NRG ROM. Mine runs for several days.
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I take it you haven't used the latest NRG ROM. Mine runs for several days.
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You've got me, there. The last energy rom I tried was a little bit ago, and was a Maxsense version at that. Even still, it soundly failed my Opera Mobile 10 test on a clean flash off of a fresh boot (it would autokill OM 10 to free up ram without any other apps open). Any rom that does that goes straight into the bin as far as I'm concerned.
I have been meaning to drop one of the more recent builds on to see if that was just a bad experience. Maybe try one of the titanium versions, just to make sure I'm giving it a fair shake. Either way, this has now gotten at least a bit off topic. =P
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I take it you haven't used the latest NRG ROM. Mine runs for several days.
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yea i have the sep 18 nrg rom on mine wich now runs very good. well after a couple reboots with the phone plugged to my laptop, i unplluged it and tried a soft reset and thank god it booted normal, i then powered the phone off and turnd it back on and it worked. dont know what the problem was but i appreciate everyones help.
There is different things that you can do to try and resolve your problem. Start by finding a rom that you would like to install on your phone and save the file to your SD Card. FL5 Mentioned Jacko's rom and I swear by it as well. I run the showlite version modified to my liking and still have on average about 80 mbs of ram open.
2nd thing to do would be a Task 29 which will pretty much formats your phone. This is important to do because if there is any "debris' left over from any of the roms you have installed, this will take care of that. "Debris" at times cause issues that you cannot pinpoint and interfere with the rom that is currently installed. It is also important that you do this step second because once you do a Task 29 you will not be able to flash through USB. At least, I have not been able to do so. I flash from my SD Card. You can get Task 29 here-->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649191
Once you do that, flash your rom from your SD Card by following the directions here-->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
Hopefully this fixes your problem. If it doesn't, you don't have to soft reset to free up ram. I use software called "cleanram" and usually run it on level 3 which means that it thoroughly finds processes taking up ram and reclaims it. You can also schedule a daily, weekly, hourly clean under the settings menu. You can find that here-->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=514333
Best of luck.
Oooooooooooo yeah! Task 29 is absolute magic. Completely wipes your NAND before a flash to remove the chance of old ghost files from past ROMs jacking up your system. If you've followed any of the flashing tutorials on the board then you've definitely been doing this step, and thus this shouldn't have been your problem. Not everyone has problems if they skip it, but all sorts of seeminly otherwise random problems can pop up otherwise.
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2nd thing to do would be a Task 29 which will pretty much formats your phone. This is important to do because if there is any "debris' left over from any of the roms you have installed, this will take care of that. "Debris" at times cause issues that you cannot pinpoint and interfere with the rom that is currently installed. It is also important that you do this step second because once you do a Task 29 you will not be able to flash through USB. At least, I have not been able to do so.
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Eh ? I don't know what's going wrong for you, but that's completely untrue. After running task29, you need to unplug the phone from the PC, put the phone into the bootloader (e.g. press reset while holding down the Volume Down button), wait for it to come up and say "Serial" at the bottom, then plug it back in and it should say "USB". Then you can flash via USB (which is safer than flashing from SD card, since it does more checking).
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You've got me, there. The last energy rom I tried was a little bit ago, and was a Maxsense version at that. Even still, it soundly failed my Opera Mobile 10 test on a clean flash off of a fresh boot (it would autokill OM 10 to free up ram without any other apps open). Any rom that does that goes straight into the bin as far as I'm concerned.
I have been meaning to drop one of the more recent builds on to see if that was just a bad experience. Maybe try one of the titanium versions, just to make sure I'm giving it a fair shake. Either way, this has now gotten at least a bit off topic. =P
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The 20 Sep ROMs have the option of using quick menu. With that option, even with Sense 2.5 and CHT (a RAM hog), I have 88 Mb available on a normal basis. I don't use Opera 10 (also a RAM hog), but I think it would work with the new ROM.
You have to manually select the Quickmenu option.
well the problem with her phone is fixed. but now my hardware keys stay on dim but they stay on, im gonna try doin task 29 and reflashing a rom see if that takes care of my issue.
Well just for future references, I had all of the above problems and tried all of them. Issue did not go away until I did the following steps..:
Run Task 29
Flash new ROM (Issue still exist)
Flash New Radio (Issue still exist)
Reflashed Hard-SPL (This somehow fixed the issue....)
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Well just for future references, I had all of the above problems and tried all of them. Issue did not go away until I did the following steps..:
Run Task 29
Flash new ROM (Issue still exist)
Flash New Radio (Issue still exist)
Reflashed Hard-SPL (This somehow fixed the issue....)
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well i just did all of it and the freakin keys wont go off, n e one have any other suggestions? and thanks to every one for their help.
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This Process will NOT be quick, but it’s easy and runs great!
Takes about 1/2 hr to set up the first time. It's an All-In-One Flash - Includes Stripped WM, Android, and Compatible Radio.
Includes an AWESOME Android build, Desire Sense - BlueTopia v0.6, by cmylxgo.
FAST, STABLE, COOL as Heck! It is installed on top of my Super Ultra Lite ROM.
Booting into Android is controlled by My Android MortScript.
ROM is based on latest T-Mobile 3.14 with almost everything removed. Not really worth booting into this ROM as it's just used to load Haret to get Android going.
If you want to Flash this ROM then change the Android build to another, you may by replacing the Android Folders on your SD Card with your desired Build.
Please read all below before starting.
Download all files listed:
AutoFlash SuperSport Android BlueTopia 6.exe Grab All 4 Parts (MediaFire Link) Sorry so LARGE!! Only way to include everything. MediaFire allows Multiple downloads at a time. If you have a fast Connection, grab all 4 pieces at once.
Task29 provided by doloop.zip (Attached) If needed
HardSPL3 (Attached) If needed
Unzip Task 29 and HardSPL3.
Clean old Android and any Android helper folders OFF SD Card ie: Android, Media, FilesToBeDeleted, etc. For best results, backup your card, then re-format FAT32.
Be sure your SD Card is re-installed in your HD2.
Flash HardSPL3: Run HSPL3_PKG.exe, or be sure you’ve already done it in the past. Follow the instructions found HERE if you don’t know how. This will take about 3 mins.
Task29: Run Task29 provided by doloop.exe. This should be done before ANY Flash. If running Windows Vista or 7, you must Right Click and Run as Administrator. Be sure your phone is connected by USB before running and follow the instructions. It’s just like flashing a ROM. When it reaches 95%, press and HOLD the Volume Down button until it reboots into Bootloader Mode (Red, Green, Blue Screen). This will take about 2 mins.
Flash My ROM: Be sure your SD Card is installed in your HD2, then Flash your phone with my ROM. Be sure your phone is connected by USB then enter Bootloader Mode (Red, Green, Blue Screen) by Holding Down the Volume Down button while turning on phone. Run the file "AutoFlash_SuperSport_Android_BlueTopia_6.part1.exe". Follow the Instructions until your phone Reboots. This will take about 7 mins.
Allow windows to start up first time. This will take about 1 mins. DO NOT PRESS YES when prompted if you want to Boot into Android. That will come later. WARNING!!! DO NOT PRESS 'YES' YET! This will cause Android to NOT INSTALL! (If this happens, use the File Explorer to browse to the Windows Directory and Run the Cab "SuperSportAndroidBlueTopia6.cab". Be Sure to install it to your Storage Card, NOT Main Memory. Delete this CAB after installation completes.)
Android will now Silently Install to your SD Card. This will take about 4 minutes. Wait for the XDA UC Service End message and tap OK. YOU MUST WAIT FOR THIS. If it does not come up within about 5 mins, then something might have gone wrong. Flash Task29 again and start the ROM Flash over.
You can now Select Yes to the Window asking if you want to Boot into Android. (Future boots will ask this again. Just select YES to boot Android, or NO to stay in Windows.)
Android will now start up. You will see the Green hTC logo. Allow Android to set up the Data Space. This takes a LONG time! Be VERY Patient. Up to 10 mins the first time (Mine was 8 mins, Future boots after the first time boot quickly). It will sit on HTC logo for a LONG time, then blank screen, then final boot.
Future boots will now give you a prompt to allow Auto Boot into Android, or you can select to go into Windows if you are so inclined. You can also use Android-Ubuntu to change the Auto Boot settings to be quicker or slower, or boot into Windows if you prefer, although, there's not much there.
To boot back into Windows, Remove your SD Card and Reboot. To Flash another ROM, enter Bootloader - Hold down the Volume Down button while powering on your phone.
For my ROM WITH Android, Download above.
For those who just want the WM ROM Without Android Built in, Download Below.
This ROM has the following:
-Free RAM: 373.90MB WOW!!!
-Free Storage: 705.06 WOW
-Very Little left of Windows. It really is not usefull for anything except starting Android.
4 Flavors:
NO Radio NO BootScript - Best for those who already have an Android Compatible Radio and want to use their own Boot Program.
AutoFlash SuperSport Android Ready SuperUltraLite NO Radio NO BootScript.exe
With Radio NO BootScript - Best for those who still need the Radio, but want to use their own Boot Program.
AutoFlash SuperSport Android Ready SuperUltraLite w Radio NO BootScript.exe
NO Radio With BootScript - Best for those who have have an Android Compatible Radio but want to use my Simple "Yes/No" BootScript.
AutoFlash SuperSport Android Ready SuperUltraLite NO Radio w BootScript.exe
With Radio With BootScript - Best for those who need the Radio and Want to use my Simple "Yes/No" BootScript.
AutoFlash SuperSport Android Ready SuperUltraLite w Radio w BootScript.exe
To Do:
Create Cabs of future Android Updates that can easily be installed on top of old builds, or on top of my Android WM ROM.
Looking forward to it
BlueTopia is a nice choice.. Do you think you can post the winmo build?
And have you thought about using UC_NET instead? As you can see the progress bar during setup, might make it easier for some people that arent familiar with UC.. just a thought
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Looking forward to it
BlueTopia is a nice choice.. Do you think you can post the winmo build?
And have you thought about using UC_NET instead? As you can see the progress bar during setup, might make it easier for some people that arent familiar with UC.. just a thought
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I will look into it. Any idea if it can force install to SD Card? That's the trouble I have with XDA_UC, I don't understand it enough to know how to silent install to the SD Card. I'd love to have a progress bar too.
I will post the WinMo build when I have it working properly. There's an issue with the AutoBoot function that I think might be due to the ROM being SO Stripped.
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I will look into it. Any idea if it can force install to SD Card? That's the trouble I have with XDA_UC, I don't understand it enough to know how to silent install to the SD Card. I'd love to have a progress bar too.
I will post the WinMo build when I have it working properly. There's an issue with the AutoBoot function that I think might be due to the ROM being SO Stripped.
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Hmm.. I'm not sure actually, here's the thread for it. Maybe take a look at post 3 (portable commands) in that thread.
Here's a post from him on that topic, from a while ago though (July).
Really Dumb Noob Android Question
I have to use Outlook (corporate environment kind of thing...not Exchange). What is the best way to be able to synch Contacts and Appts. between Outlook and Android?
That is, so far, the only thing holding me back from giving Android a try. And this ROM appears to be a great way to try it out.
Thanks for any advice.
Can you please make a release of JUST the winmo rom? That way we can simply apply whatever android distro we wish to our SD card, and the download is smaller : D
BJohnM said:
I have to use Outlook (corporate environment kind of thing...not Exchange). What is the best way to be able to synch Contacts and Appts. between Outlook and Android?
That is, so far, the only thing holding me back from giving Android a try. And this ROM appears to be a great way to try it out.
Thanks for any advice.
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As far as I know, there is not a way to sync using WMDC. It needs to be done using HTC Sync, or using your google account. To use Google, you can set up an email account as an Exchange Account. Set the Server as m.google.com and tell it to sync your email, contacts, and calendar. For some reason, tasks do not work, so don't check them. If you set up Outlook AND your Phone to use the same Google Exchange account, then things will sync wirelessly WITHOUT having to connect to USB. Be aware this will likely use a little more battery if you allow it to sync often.
To use HTC Sync, download it from HERE and install it on your PC. Your phone will need to be set to HTC sync when you connect it to USB.
hereric said:
Can you please make a release of JUST the winmo rom? That way we can simply apply whatever android distro we wish to our SD card, and the download is smaller : D
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Yes, when it is working properly, I'll post JUST the WinMo ROM. Currently, it's running just fine, I'm just having trouble getting it to AutoBoot when started.
Ok, I just added to the First Post a link for the WM ONLY ROM. This ROM does NOT include Android.
ROM Specs:
Free Ram - 373.90 MB WOW!!
Free Storage - 705.06 MB WOW
Includes Radio: 2.15.50.14
Download Size: 53.1 MB
Link Below also:
DOWNLOAD SuperUltraLite Android Ready ROM
Still touching up my All Inclusive Android ROM, Sorry for the Delay.
NOW AVAILABLE!!!
Please see First Post for Details.
Out of curiousity, is it still possible to run a winmo program since the android os is just an overlay? If so, how?
Also, I tried youtube and the video is horribly choppy. audio is fine but video is stop and go ... stop and go... is this a known issue?
Any soft reset shortcut?
other note: tried running angry birds and it doesnt work.
marscandybars said:
Out of curiousity, is it still possible to run a winmo program since the android os is just an overlay? If so, how?
Also, I tried youtube and the video is horribly choppy. audio is fine but video is stop and go ... stop and go... is this a known issue?
Any soft reset shortcut?
other note: tried running angry birds and it doesnt work.
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Actually Android is not overlay on top of Windows. Windows starts haret, then shuts down completely, only leaving Android running. The only way is to reboot, and not boot into Android.
My YouTube is really smooth, but that's over WiFi. Haven't tried over gprs.
No soft reset that I know of. Only holding power button and shutting down.
After trying to run AngryBirds the first time, you must reboot back into Android and run it again. It will run second time around.
PS: one thing I've noticed is that after a couple reboot, things seem to get smoother.
Unfortunately, Android isn't perfect on the HD2 yet, but it's getting better every day...
I had to format the card twice and it started working ... yay
Holding the end button with this android OS gives the option to reboot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780525
I very much appreciate your hard work
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I had to format the card twice and it started working ... yay
Holding the end button with this android OS gives the option to reboot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780525
I very much appreciate your hard work
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That brings up a good point. If anyone wants, you can delete the Android off the SD Card and replace it with your favorite flavor. The Boot Script should still work, as long as you place the Android build into the folder Android with CLRCAD.exe and haret.exe in that same Android folder, not a sub folder.
awesome rom thank you,...runs very smoothley and first one where everything has worked!! as soon as funds come in you will be my first donation..
only problem is batterylife life and data speed i live in socal what radio will u reccomend im on tmobil network . and 2 youtube is very choppy unless i use wifi.
blink 182 said:
awesome rom thank you,...runs very smoothley and first one where everything has worked!! as soon as funds come in you will be my first donation..
only problem is batterylife life and data speed i live in socal what radio will u reccomend im on tmobil network . and 2 youtube is very choppy unless i use wifi.
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Please keep in mind that the Android Build is NOT mine. Please donate to cmylxgo as he is the one who put the Android build together. I cooked the WM ROM, added the Radio, added his Android ROM, and created the BootScript. I just wanted to come up with a way for people to try it that just worked, so I put it all together in one easy to flash package.
Yes, there are still some issues with running Android on WM, but it's slowly getting better. cmylxgo has mentioned a new Android Build coming up shortly. I'll see if I can add it to this thread when it's released.
I've heard about YouTube by a couple of you now. I don't know yet what that is. Not sure if it's My ROM, or the Android Build, but when I find out, I'll try to create a fix.
EDIT: The radio on the first post is the only one I've tried with Android. I'm on ATT, so not sure how that compares to you.
thanks for this simple guide.. *so simple, even a caveman can do it* noob question, how do i restore the phone to factory settings incase I need to send it in?
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thanks for this simple guide.. *so simple, even a caveman can do it* noob question, how do i restore the phone to factory settings incase I need to send it in?
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Hehe, I like that. To revert, you would need to flash the HardSPL back to 2.08 (Use HardSPL 3 and select the 2.08 version), then flash the Stock ROM back on. As far as Android goes, just delete it off the SD Card. My ROM simply copies Android from the ROM to the SD Card and sets up links.
Does the camera work in this one? I really want to ditch WinMo and go to Android, but I want to first be sure everything works. I have read in some other threads that camera support is not working, which seems like it would be a deal breaker for many people.
jasonatr0n said:
Does the camera work in this one? I really want to ditch WinMo and go to Android, but I want to first be sure everything works. I have read in some other threads that camera support is not working, which seems like it would be a deal breaker for many people.
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Yes, it does. That's a deal breaker for me too. I do have occasional data connection problems, but I'm almost always on WiFi, so it has not been a huge deal for me yet. It sounds like cmylxgo is working on the data issue along with other fixes with his Android Build. I will likely update this ROM when that happens. I'll also post instructions for those who do not want to flash the ROM again and just want to update their Android Build.
everything works perfectly, I just flashed it 3 days ago and I'm very pleased so far..... and belive me I've almost tried everything around here.... Thank you Super Sport to put all this togheter.