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Root apps in market

Ok so I don't have root access because I accidentally hit yes one day but oh well. I'm seeing all these apps coming out for users with root access when i started thinking why if google doesn't want us to have root access do they allow apps in the market specifically for root access users? It makes no sense and is a complete contradiction!

google doesn't mind us having root access, t-mobile minds it, so together with google, they prevent it on the G1... dont link google android with the g1 like that.. google wants us to have root on android to make things better (thats what linux is all about) tmobile wants to block that access.

Not allowing root access prevents people who don't understand linux commands from entering the wrong command thus rendering their phone unusable. These are the people that have the potential to create a nightmare for Tmobile. If you have root access and you know how to use it, then it is not a problem.

We are screwed if we patched our phones basically.
Hopefully these programs will come soon for non-root phones.

driz said:
google doesn't mind us having root access, t-mobile minds it, so together with google, they prevent it on the G1... dont link google android with the g1 like that.. google wants us to have root on android to make things better (thats what linux is all about) tmobile wants to block that access.
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Just putting this out there, when i first got my G1 i rooted it. When t-mobiles app "MyAccount" came out i installed it but it would not load it said this android ver not supported. so i called up tmo for basic support thinking maybe its my account or something. So the rep asked me if i was rooted, i figured what the hell, so i said yes i was rooted and running a hacked rom, they said "ok we would like to support rooted phones as well" they also asked where i got the rom or which one was it, i played dumb on this i just said some made up rom name. so long story short, sure enough a couple weeks later there was an update and the myaccount app worked. I gotta give them credit for that. I was tempted to ask how they feel about wifi tether for root users, lol. i didn't wanna rock the boat.

Root is meant for people who know what they are doing and for developers.

[Q] Crazy thought: going to IOS

I was thinking of taking a year off from Android development and see what IOS is like. I doubt it would be permanent, but am curious as to people's opinions. A developer mentor is switching to an IPad and this got me thinking.

have fun dealing with crApple :silly:

I wouldn`t change to an iPhone even if i got it for free tbh. No root, no costumisation and no app drawer.

Im one of the biggest android nut swingers around (talking **** about apple when the opportunity presents itself.)
That being said, let me be the first to say....
GO FOR IT.
You dont know how much greener the grass is over here until your looking back at it.
As far as something simple that works out of the box as it should, its a great device. your never going to have "facebook crashed" or launcher redraws. Simple and amazingly fluid UI, especially since they come with a single gb of ddr3 ram. (Amazing right?)
Kind of like hondas. every one talks crap about them, but that efficent little 4 cyl will ride on some v8's

The iTunes store was nice when it first came out, but it really draws back on the phone. The google play store is great being able to browse apps and then install them right from the web. Backing up is easier and you aren't tied to one computer. I had the original iPhone then got the iPhone 4 before switching to the Galaxy SIII

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The iTunes store was nice when it first came out, but it really draws back on the phone. The google play store is great being able to browse apps and then install them right from the web. Backing up is easier and you aren't tied to one computer. I had the original iPhone then got the iPhone 4 before switching to the Galaxy SIII
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You can not install apps directly from the ITunes store?

ronaldheld said:
I was thinking of taking a year off from Android development and see what IOS is like.
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When you like the white-ui design iOS is a good choice, because Apple does not use amoled displays. That means less battery drain and better reading.
Google refuses to give users the option of a dark ui, but with root and layers it is customizable and cheaper.

iOS is nice if you can jailbreak but you still cant modify CPU and GPU or under the hood stuff like you can with Android. You can install unofficial apps from cydia like tweaks but its a different ball park. Android lets you do basic things that you cant do on an Iphone.

Just get an iPad and keep your Android. iPads are still a lot better IMO and you can test iOS throughly.

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iOS is nice if you can jailbreak but you still cant modify CPU and GPU or under the hood stuff like you can with Android. You can install unofficial apps from cydia like tweaks but its a different ball park. Android lets you do basic things that you cant do on an Iphone.
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Jailbreak is carrier unlock not root or bootloader unlock?

ronaldheld said:
Jailbreak is carrier unlock not root or bootloader unlock?
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A jailbreak is modifying the system with a custom OS that's been changed. Carrier unlock requires you to be jailbroken. Most LTE phones are unlocked by carrier anyway. Root and jailbreak are similar but not the same. It's like running with administrator privileges on a Windows based system.
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biggiesmalls657 said:
A jailbreak is modifying the system with a custom OS that's been changed. Carrier unlock requires you to be jailbroken. Most LTE phones are unlocked by carrier anyway. Root and jailbreak are similar but not the same. It's like running with administrator privileges on a Windows based system.
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There's a lot of f-u-c-k-e-r-y in that post.
First of, both of you need to go here and read up some.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking.
If you're to lazy, then I'll just tell you. Jailbreaking is VERY similar to root. It allows access and modification to the system. With this you change basic or advance features. You CANT and never will be able to install a "custom OS" on an iPhone. There is maybe 1 semi working Android port. Everything else is all iOS.
Also carrier unlocked does not require you to be jail broken. You can have your carrier unlock it, or pay and give someone your imei for a network unlock code.
And another thing, most LTE phones are NOT carrier unlocked. For example, look at almost everyone of Verizon's phone. Sprint also likes to carrier lock things. But just like an iPhone, the carrier can unlock, or you can pay and give your imei code to get an unlock code.
Please do not try to pass off your assumptions as facts.

I been thinking the same thing, something different. Why not ???

lamplighter13 said:
I been thinking the same thing, something different. Why not ???
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That is my current idea, maybe for a year. Might depend on the fall Nexus models.
Also depends on what jailbreak tools exist here for IOS 9.

Read about jsilbreaking, so there is some potential for modding. Anyone else with suggestions or advice?

Both of my older kids (college age) have iPhones, but I don't think I could ever go that route. That being said, if you just want a phone that works, has unparalleled 3rd party support with an excellent warranty, then an iPhone is the phone for you. I wouldn't recommend buying one if you plan on dinking around with it like we all do with our Android phones. Jailbreaking is sketchy and honestly doesn't get you that much. Most people go to Apple for the excellent ecosystem (and not to mention the warranty that jailbreaking will void), but jailbreaking pops you right out of that and basically puts you completely on your own, sort of defeating the purpose for an iPhone. A lot of carriers have really nice "iPhone for Life" type programs where every year you automatically get the latest iPhone. It's actually all a pretty sweet deal, but it's just not what I want from a phone. I'm a 20 year career network engineer, so anything and everything Apple has been the bane of my professional existence for a really long time, so I don't really care for anything Apple. But opinions vary!

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There's a lot of f-u-c-k-e-r-y in that post.
First of, both of you need to go here and read up some.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking.
If you're to lazy, then I'll just tell you. Jailbreaking is VERY similar to root. It allows access and modification to the system. With this you change basic or advance features. You CANT and never will be able to install a "custom OS" on an iPhone. There is maybe 1 semi working Android port. Everything else is all iOS.
Also carrier unlocked does not require you to be jail broken. You can have your carrier unlock it, or pay and give someone your imei for a network unlock code.
And another thing, most LTE phones are NOT carrier unlocked. For example, look at almost everyone of Verizon's phone. Sprint also likes to carrier lock things. But just like an iPhone, the carrier can unlock, or you can pay and give your imei code to get an unlock code.
Please do not try to pass off your assumptions as facts.
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Notice I said changed not installing a custom OS. By jailbreaking and modifying with tweaks and other tools, it's definitely not stock once you change it. I also stated that you cannot do any under the hood changes like CPU or GPU in an IPhone. Jailbreaking is similar to root by gaining access but not the same. I have Verizon and I have always been able to take the phones I bought with them to any carrier with the exception of Sprint because they suck. The att iPhone I had once only had GSM chip in so not CDMA carriers for it. I was told when I had my iPhone that I could unlock it from my carrier (which is hell) or do the other way, but was also told that I need to jailbroken for anything. I have modified the ipcc file before and when you backup your stuff, its a custom ipsw file. This is why I have an Android again.
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Moving to iOS ? Sounds more like a punishment than a benefit.
The nice thing about iOS is that they pre-determine everything in advance for you like icon layout, interface, etc, etc without giving you option b/c obviously they know what's best for you. Being told what's good for you.....reminds me of the Federal Government actually.

This sounds like good advice. Is the claim that even with jail breaking, I will not be satisfied?

ronaldheld said:
This sounds like good advice. Is the claim that even with jail breaking, I will not be satisfied?
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Why do you want to modify in the first place?
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This sounds like good advice. Is the claim that even with jail breaking, I will not be satisfied?
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Why do you want to alter the system to start with?
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To Root or Not To Root.. (that is the question)

So I've been going back and forth with myself about about whether or not to update to the (Green Battery) or not. I mean I'm aware that if i do I will lose the capability to root, but then again I also wonder what exactly is there to root for? This is such a great device out the gate, and really there has been great development for supporting app/mod that do not require root nowadays. I use Samsung Wallet very often and have found It very "every day, real life" useful. And given I workout daily, SHealth is of great Usage to me too. And i'd like to have the most up to date and current versions when possible..
Although on the flip slide, I don't like the fact that I cant root my phone in the future if I choose to. But i also feel like it would run so much smoother if i just did the "Green Battery update".. smh... #firstworldproblems #diaryofaspoiledrootjunkiebutalsosatisfiedcustomer lol
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This is the exact dilemma I was in and hence gave in and got an Exysos S7 edge
I say root it while you can !

I wouldn't have kept it without root. Every time i turn around, I need root. Today it was for a Kodi mod. Yesterday I needed access to a Dolphin db. The day before I needed Titanium Backup. OTOH, my wife is happy without root. We really can't judge for you how to balance things. Get two?

is it worth rooting?

I have the S10 for a month now and really happy with performance and battery. Although I've been a power user of android for too long I didn't feel the need to root my s10 yet, so is it still worth the hassle of rooting for you?

Have a look here and have wonderful day https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/root-s10-wait-t3926831
edit: no problem :good: <--
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romanB_SK said:
Have a look here and have wonderful day https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/root-s10-wait-t3926831
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This is the first time I don't root a phone since 2010 with android, and to be honest I don't see the benefits of rooting anymore especially that One UI is great out the box.
As they mentioned in the thread there are some caveats but I can live without the couple of things gained from root.
Thanks for sharing.

I used ADB to be able to debloat entirely what I want. So don't need to root for me.

I rooted mine because I needed to enable the call recorder, other than that you get already have pretty much everything you need without root access.
Adaway dns to block ads, ADB to remove unwanted apps.

Fredzvw said:
I used ADB to be able to debloat entirely what I want. So don't need to root for me.
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I used package disabler for that and it works very well for me.
Lebrun213 said:
I rooted mine because I needed to enable the call recorder, other than that you get already have pretty much everything you need without root access.
Adaway dns to block ads, ADB to remove unwanted apps.
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Well the only thing that irritates me having no root is that I have to deal with vpn ad blockers, other than that everything works just fine.

zaidshb said:
I used package disabler for that and it works very well for me.
Well the only thing that irritates me having no root is that I have to deal with vpn ad blockers, other than that everything works just fine.
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Use dns instead, you don't lose any bandwidth

Lebrun213 said:
Use dns instead, you don't lose any bandwidth
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I tried DNS66 but didn't work for me. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Update: I found a way to use ad guard dns as a private vpn and it works, thanks.

hell yes .. better sound with viperfx .. debloating and changing cpu settings for better battery (since battery life on s10 is shi*) .. greenify, lspeed, naptime and all of that ..
rooting is always worth it

I don't think you should root now...

I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
-No need to uninstall apps with Titanium backup anymore, I can just disable them.
-Don't need Viper4Android. I bought the Creative Super X-Fi AMP and the sound of my mobile is way better than V4A.
-Adaway was great, but Block this! is good enough and it doesn't require rooting.
-Black and dark themes are everywhere these days, Android Q will support it natively.
I used to love Cyanogenmod and other roms, but Flagships these days have so many exclusive features, that a custom rom cannot support properly, like modern camera systems. S10 is my second unrooted phone and I do not intend to root it.

Melissakis said:
I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
-No need to uninstall apps with Titanium backup anymore, I can just disable them.
-Don't need Viper4Android. I bought the Creative Super X-Fi AMP and the sound of my mobile is way better than V4A.
-Adaway was great, but Block this! is good enough and it doesn't require rooting.
-Black and dark themes are everywhere these days, Android Q will support it natively.
I used to love Cyanogenmod and other roms, but Flagships these days have so many exclusive features, that a custom rom cannot support properly, like modern camera systems. S10 is my second unrooted phone and I do not intend to root it.
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You've covered almost all the reasons why I used to root phones. It just feels weird using a phone without root for me lol but I'm getting used to it pretty well.

If you want to believe that a bunch of mostly useless apps while rooted will enrich your life and make you the cool guy, then by all means root. If you want a phone that will most likely be free of problems and will be worth something if you ever want to trade up or sell then don't root.

It's mainly that by rooting your device you also introduce all kinds of potential security risks to your device. It's also a big hassle, requires you to manually update your phone when there's an update available (vs just installing an OTA update which is so much easier). The main reason why I used to root my phone was for ad blocking, but now there are many non-root ways of doing so, such as Blokada.
My past 2 phones I haven't rooted and I don't miss it at all. Life is much simpler now. I guess also the newness of smartphones has worn off now. I now just want a phone that works reliably without too much hassle.

Tel864 said:
If you want to believe that a bunch of mostly useless apps while rooted will enrich your life and make you the cool guy, then by all means root. If you want a phone that will most likely be free of problems and will be worth something if you ever want to trade up or sell then don't root.
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When you put it this way it makes sense not to root lol
Sakete said:
It's mainly that by rooting your device you also introduce all kinds of potential security risks to your device. It's also a big hassle, requires you to manually update your phone when there's an update available (vs just installing an OTA update which is so much easier). The main reason why I used to root my phone was for ad blocking, but now there are many non-root ways of doing so, such as Blokada.
My past 2 phones I haven't rooted and I don't miss it at all. Life is much simpler now. I guess also the newness of smartphones has worn off now. I now just want a phone that works reliably without too much hassle.
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I do agree with you.

I think it's how you use the phone and what you like! I like viper, the record function while calling...
I have my s8 rooted for a year now and it's still better then my s10 cuz of the lack of features....for me that is plus...if you know for a fact your phone is solid...do it!! I'm gonna?

Nope, not worth it, but the kiddies say differently.

Melissakis said:
I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
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You covered exactly my usage points that justified rooting in the past.
I will also add that Android native backup, and the job samsung is doing for monthly security updates in flagships helped a lot in my decision to not root.
For adblocking I'm satisfied with blokada and for now and I only see the chance to change my mind if I'm still using this phone when samsung drop the monthly updates for it, so then i will probably move to lineage if support is good enough and a descent gcam port is working.

Lifelong iPhone user jumped ship

Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it

skiptowncat said:
Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it
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Glad you changed to Android!
Welcome to XDA

skiptowncat said:
Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it
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best decision you ever made, is what youll be thinking once your rooted and customized

gav83collins said:
best decision you ever made, is what youll be thinking once your rooted and customized
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What is the need to root? Any mistbhave apps/tweaks that require it? I need to research

skiptowncat said:
What is the need to root? Any mistbhave apps/tweaks that require it? I need to research
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you only need root, if you want to alter system files, wether it be, ui, kernel rom etc..............drawbacks are some finance apps detect root and wont work

gav83collins said:
you only need root, if you want to alter system files, wether it be, ui, kernel rom etc..............drawbacks are some finance apps detect root and wont work
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Same as jailbreak. What tweaks that need root should I look at to decide if it's worth it

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Same as jailbreak. What tweaks that need root should I look at to decide if it's worth it
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its been a few years since i last jailbroke some thing, i was into it for quite a few years, but in comparison to what i remember, development is much more advanced in terms of capabilities of rw, you can modify the sample, bit rate and db levels of audio, bluetooth, speaker, headphone, same for mic input, you can increase camera quality, bluetooth power usage and hang time, over clock the processor under volt it, the same for the gpu remap keys and lights of soft buttons wear available, as well as all the ui tweaks available on jb ios devices, there is more of course but they are the basics

gav83collins said:
its been a few years since i last jailbroke some thing, i was into it for quite a few years, but in comparison to what i remember, development is much more advanced in terms of capabilities of rw, you can modify the sample, bit rate and db levels of audio, bluetooth, speaker, headphone, same for mic input, you can increase camera quality, bluetooth power usage and hang time, over clock the processor under volt it, the same for the gpu remap keys and lights of soft buttons wear available, as well as all the ui tweaks available on jb ios devices, there is more of course but they are the basics
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Is there an app store like cydia or are they all on the play store?

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Is there an app store like cydia or are they all on the play store?
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some kernel setting change apps are on playstore but most features are useless without a custom kernel or root, you would have to find your device specific thread and do some reading