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I dont think I've ever seen anybody give such a biased review as this, this guy had my blood boiling for a moment.
Take a look if you dare and judge for yourself. Tell me if you can keep your composure...
Star Wars said:
Wow this guy is a dumbass!
I have seen lizards sunbathing give better reviews than this, then again this is the iphone blog so I guess I may have been expecting a little too much since peripheral vision with other electronic devices that aren’t Apple pretty much is non-existent, I guess he can be forgiven.
Great star wars theme impression tho!
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lol best comment ever!!!

who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.

jadephyre said:
who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.
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Neither do I give a rats a** but its astonishing how someone can put out that piece of junk (only going as deep as the main menu) and call it a review.
Then again if it's a calculated scheme to increase number of hits to their site, then i guess they have succeeded, can't say if it's the right attention though.

Cant see why the fuss - the review was pretty sh*t but the phone looks like a bloater, its way to thick for my taste and makes my Touch look like its super thin. And his comments about the interface are true - in its pursuit to make eye candy HTC keep making it slower and more error prone. I would never buy an Iphone as i love the customization of the HTC but for your average phone user who does not want to learn anything at all the iphone gives them all they need.

I just can't stand Apple and their Marketing Tactics... they make it sound like they were the first to bring a Smartphone (which the iPhone actually isn't) to the Market that has a touchscreen... and Millions of fanboys actually fall in line and buy that crap.
I'm not saying that Apple Computers are crap, they're good at a few things too, chief among which is "looking good" but did the world really need that overhyped Phone ?

well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!

I could care less if my Phone was the size of a frickin' cinder-block as long as it does everything I want it to do... it does not have to be slim enough to slide it through underneath a Door.
I'll probably get me an HTC Opal next year or so, with Manila 2D... that thing will make me happier than any iPhone that will ever see the light of day.

What a fool!!!!
Holy **** he makes HTC Fuze makes the most ****ing piece of crap ever made! jajajaja i will make a video review for my hermes and it will be much better than that stupidity useless preview.... Holy **** this makes me hunger!!!

That was actually rather ridiculous. He does make some valid points as to WM's lack of finesse in some departments, but he really seemed to go out of his way to be child-like and/or a douche bag with that phone.
Yes, I tend to use a stylus with my Tilt because the screen seems to be purposefully fighting me, but it's not nearly as bad as he's making it out to be.

"The era of hard keyboards is over"
whatever, I think this review is totaly refering to the guys inteligence. He complains that he dont know how to use the sliding of the pics and music. How is that silly.

LOL
The music of "star wars" is hilarious!!
Hahahaha

origins81 said:
well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!
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Which is funny, because the Samsung Instinct has the same features/layout as the iPhone.

orb3000 said:
Sorry to disagree with you but that´s not true, hard keyboards will never be substituted, just wait a few months and you´ll see what´s coming...
Respectfully,
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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.

Mikulec said:
That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.
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Ohh I´m sorry, my mistake
Cheers,

Wow, that is truly a slap on the neck. He just could be the most annoying thing ever with that introduction. It's a rather childish review if you ask me.

That idiot with his comments is one the biggest stupidities i've seen in my life. If his brain capacity is not high enough (or there at all) to manipulate a pocket pc, he should have never blame it on the device and get himself a Motorola Startak (with the Manual Book and Quick Reference Guide of course!!).

Haha! I bet he still uses it.

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he touches the screen like a cat scratching a tire

the guy is like woody allen reviewing a phone

well, he does have ONE point, the "smoothness" of the phone isnt all that great, coming(him, not me) from the iphone, you shouldn't have to wait for your touch to take effect, for example when he is trying to navigate in HTCalbum. stupid qualcomm CPU's. I'm not buying another htc phone until they use a different processor, I was ALMOST fooled with the TouchPRO, until I saw some videos and heard some input. in some ways its worse and slower than the kaiser.
We need an HTC phone that is as fast as the iphone or faster. I'm really surprised HTC hasn't tried to compete speed wise, it really amazes me...
o, but anyway, about the video.
Yeah he kinda sucks at reviewing. And it's obvious he is a noob to TouchFLO3d lol. he's not grabbing the current tab, he's just sliding on other tabs.

Do you think Android would be so big if iPhone wasn't exclusive to AT&T

I had this thought the other day about how I used to long for an iPhone while on Sprint. I remember all these people rushing over to AT&T to get the iPhone and I really wanted the iPhone as well, but I had such a good SERO plan with Sprint that I couldn't make that switch. Plus I enjoyed being able to make a call here and there
But I'm thinking, if iPhone came to all carriers right out of the gate, most people would have had the iPhone already when Android came out and people wouldn't have been clamoring for an iPhone-like competitor.
So my personal thought is that Apple screwed themselves royally by going exclusive with AT&T and if they had gone to all carriers, we would only have a single monopolistic smart phone instead of 2.
Not to say that android might not still have happened, but they pretty much did what iPhone didn't. They said.. screw exclusivity.. we will go everywhere.. and it has paid off, allowing them to grow very quickly while Apple had no choice but to sit idly by.
You'll have to ignore the intial reaction of being able to develop more with android because it is more open... . we may not have reached this potential of development if we never gave android the chance intially because we already had iphones

ive been with at&t 4ever and i never have an iphone and have had a few phones since it came out then android came and ill never look back

Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon? Verizon is THE largest cellular network in the US, at the moment. The Verizon iPhone may have put a dent into Android sales, but I've yet to see any articles saying that Android market share is doing anything but increasing. Sprint is a distant third. If the iPhone were available on Sprint, I'm sure it would sell well, but its dent to Android market share would be much less than Verizon.

I don't agree with your post. There are many people that I know of (even the poster above stated this) that are on AT&T and would not even look at an iDevice. When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either. Arguments about people stuck in contracts and family plans don't really count because if iDevices were the only real choice, people would do whatever it takes to get one. However, that is just not the case. Android is a viable competitor to Apple and in many ways superior IMHO.
Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.

Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.

GnatGoSplat said:
Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon?
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Babydoll25 said:
When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice back then are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. Because they had BB or just wanted a simple phone. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally. I guess my focus is more USA than others. I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Speak my man!
Well,first off,the iPhone isn't carrier exclusive everywhere.Here in Europe there are many many people who don't want to be bound to one carrier for their phone purchases and buy phones SIM-FREE.Plus,even those with contracts(I think Vodafone has the iPhone?It does here in Greece anyway)don't buy this many iPhones.
At first I thought that it was just because the smartphone market in Greece isn't all that grown.Then,I was on a trip to the UK,where all of a sudden I stopped seeing crap-phones that can only make calls and send texts(Some of them even have cameras though! ).Smartphones all around.But iPhones were MUCH less common than I thought.Many Blackberry's were wandering around(not on their own obviously! ),many HTCs(98% of which were Android phones),Samsungs etc(Android phones in General) and many iPhones.But not nearly as many as the other two.
That might have been my power of observation and things may be different,but that's what I saw.

I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.

I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Exactamundo

DssTrainer said:
You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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I still don't think so. People get bored. I owned an iPhone before I ever got an Android phone. I still like the iPhone, my wife is sick of it and prefers Android. Lots of Android owners came from iPhone. As long as Apple maintains the monopoly on iOS and keeps it closed, competitors would continue to assault it with a barrage of competition, some of which (like Android) are quite good and would have gained traction. So I think even if Apple supported more than one carrier back then, it would have little impact on how things would be today. I think it's the exclusivity to Apple that has allowed Android to be successful, not so much carrier exclusivity. There are many companies making mobile phones, such as HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. They would have continued to attempt to make an "iPhone killer" no matter what carriers carried the iPhone.
Long, long ago, there was a time when almost everyone who had a computer at home, had an Apple computer. Apple dominated the consumer market with their Apple II series, and made serious inroads into business and publishing with the Mac. However, it was Apple's brand exclusivity that allowed the IBM PC to dominate. IBM didn't fight the clones, and eventually, every company except Apple started making x86 PCs running Microsoft OS.

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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Well of course not..
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souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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+1...LOL
I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Agreed, Verizon helped Android to get success in US, but Android is popular because its open source...and anybody with little programming knowledge and guts to ruin his phone can make android phone awesome and as they want...which you cant do with iphone...even if u jail break it...pure independence is what made android so popular...other factors like different hardware options and ability to port almost everything you see in other phones....Google's awesome work and innovative way to kill competitors....I can write an essay on android lol...
Also, IMO one of the major factor is HTC launching new phone every month...I cant believe how many phones HTC has launched in last 6 months...now every carrier is US has HTC phone with almost same hardware and software.....they just luanch it without thinking lol...
Samsung has taken better way of promoting android with launching new devices with something new and specialty like SAMOLED screens etc...similarly Motorola is doing good....

DssTrainer said:
True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally.
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That statement falls somewhere between untrue and irrelevant.
At the very top end, Nokia have basically no market presence and things are only a wee bit better in the mid-range.
The only area Nokia is doing well in is the ultra-cheap range, not smartphones, so that has no bearing on a thread on the topic of the popularity of Android and the effect of iOS on that.
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I guess my focus is more USA than others.
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Well, you never said that and even if you had, the popularity of Android is not limited to the US - even within it's own bubble, the US market is not impervious to outside influences.
DssTrainer said:
I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Nope, that would never have happened - unlike Symbian, Android is actually a very OS.
So even if it hadn't been given the initial push from Verizon, it would still have ended up just as popular, it just might've taken a bit longer is all.
But no matter how things had unfolded in the US, there's just too much innovation with Android for it to have ever been left behind.
fleurdelisxliv said:
all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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Yeah but we have proper sports

Yeah but we have proper sports [/QUOTE]
NFL still the best takes a beast to play

All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...

I believe that's the point of off-topic
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-

Step666 said:
All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2

twitch153 said:
I believe that's the point of off-topic
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Hmm, it seems this thread has been moved then - it was in the 'General' section when I first posted...
fleurdelisxliv said:
lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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Fair dos.
I've tried watching American Football but I just can't stay interested in it, it seems to take so long...

HTC Sensation XL General lounge

It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu

hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?

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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.

The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...

lowandbehold said:
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales

In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.

Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...

z33dev33l said:
In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...

I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4

Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.

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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.

Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.

Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.

z33dev33l said:
Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.

xaccers said:
Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.

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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.

Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.

Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!

BazookaAce said:
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there

Kill me, I don't think android is perfect

actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.

Well, I want to kill you for making a hard to read post.

In before the lock?

I don't see anything specifically lock-worthy, but, just in case ib4c since Archer told us not to post ib4l ....it will probably go on for a bit since Archer is likely asleep and I don't see vanessaem online.

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tldr
OP suffers death by paper cuts.

But there's one thing perfect about android. It is always better than apple products. No matter how **** the android or how good the apple product.
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jacobgong said:
actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.
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You make a thread titled "Android is not perfect" and don't give a single reason why it's not perfect. Instead you go insulting those who use the operating system (Which I would hardly call constructive criticism). Yes most of us realize that Android is not perfect. Software will never be perfect. There will always be better and more things to add. Now I agree with you in that some people take the specs of their phone way too seriously but that is not the majority of users.
P.S. It's not just Android people that will get mad if you start insulting. If you go to an Ubuntu forum and telling them that Linux is crap, they will yell at you. Same with an iPhone forum.
Oh and...

I'd rather kill the OP than read that wall of text. I don't think anyone would mind that..

I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?

063_XOBX said:
I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?
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Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).

063_XOBX said:
I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).
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Bless your heart, you made it that far.
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m1l4droid said:
I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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m1l4droid said:
I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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You must be a masochist.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.

Y...M...C...A...
Everybody!

mf2112 said:
A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.
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Did you just insult me? Too many 6+ letter words.
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Ethical question why are Closed systems wrong?

Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!

wingman4ever said:
Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!
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You know I was about to help with this. But I see it's your first post. It's early morning in US. And you probably have this paper due in the morning. Given all those, I will say this. You should have studied harder, great first post , and look up the advantages/disadvantages of open source. Much to learn you have young padawon.

Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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You hasz iCrap?!?! GTFO. NAO!
jk. No, but seriously..

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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then you haven't searched hard enough. What have you searched for and what have you found?

Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.

wingman4ever said:
Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.
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Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.

boborone said:
Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.
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I couldn't agree more. Not that this will help you in terms of your assignment but.... The mass media and social demographics are brainwashed by the term "iPhone." Look at Ziplock, Sharpie and other well-known names; It's common knowledge, per say. The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.

tallyforeman said:
The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.
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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".

Archer said:
But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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I'm thinking:
The sheep are better off behind the fence in the pasture

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.

I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
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Archer said:
Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.
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Oh ok. Yea, that was the whole reason she stayed with the iphone. She wanted to switch to android where she could easily put her own content on her phone. She found out that all the ringtones, songs, and books she bought would be lost and only available on i devices. That was her only reason to stay with them. I thought it was pretty corrupt of them to charge her again for the music she had already paid for, to release the drm so she could transfer it from her iphone to android.
It goes to the netscape debacle. Creating a monopoly without fully notifying the end user of what they are buying into. It's fine to release software/hardware that only works with specific software/hardware if you tell the customer of such. That becomes an anti-trust issue border-lining on a monopoly that you have created to hook people into without a way out.
When you buy an idevice, you inherently know you are buying into a "system". But the extent of that system is not made clear to the end user.
Just take a look at the term you are signing into when you buy an apple device.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html
I feel I need a law degree just to comprehend the preamble.
Now have a gander at this.
http://play.google.com/intl/en_us/about/play-terms.html
Hey I can understand that. Big difference.
You can't tell me people understand what they are getting themselves into when buying an idevice unless they are tech savvy.
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jRi0T68 said:
I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
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Yep, a loop. They try to hook you in to keep upgrading on their system on devices/hardware to keep access to what you bought in their system, not knowing that you have to stay there with them in order to keep what you have paid for.

My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.

I actually made it through all of this essay... good read....
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4371

wingman4ever said:
My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.
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Well good for you. We all like open source/systems, which is why we use it. You can't debate a subject without seeing both sides. And you don't see both sides.
And btw, there have been numerous court cases involving tos of companies that even though you click that you have read them, have been overturned becuase they have been ruled for some reason or another unfitting. So just because you say you read them, doesn't mean that's a good deal. tos can change after you buy a product. Which itunes does regularly. So you buy into something only to have it change, totally not right. And no backing out. But you bought into it. Are happy with it. So go argue for it.
Run along now.
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