I had this thought the other day about how I used to long for an iPhone while on Sprint. I remember all these people rushing over to AT&T to get the iPhone and I really wanted the iPhone as well, but I had such a good SERO plan with Sprint that I couldn't make that switch. Plus I enjoyed being able to make a call here and there
But I'm thinking, if iPhone came to all carriers right out of the gate, most people would have had the iPhone already when Android came out and people wouldn't have been clamoring for an iPhone-like competitor.
So my personal thought is that Apple screwed themselves royally by going exclusive with AT&T and if they had gone to all carriers, we would only have a single monopolistic smart phone instead of 2.
Not to say that android might not still have happened, but they pretty much did what iPhone didn't. They said.. screw exclusivity.. we will go everywhere.. and it has paid off, allowing them to grow very quickly while Apple had no choice but to sit idly by.
You'll have to ignore the intial reaction of being able to develop more with android because it is more open... . we may not have reached this potential of development if we never gave android the chance intially because we already had iphones
ive been with at&t 4ever and i never have an iphone and have had a few phones since it came out then android came and ill never look back
Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon? Verizon is THE largest cellular network in the US, at the moment. The Verizon iPhone may have put a dent into Android sales, but I've yet to see any articles saying that Android market share is doing anything but increasing. Sprint is a distant third. If the iPhone were available on Sprint, I'm sure it would sell well, but its dent to Android market share would be much less than Verizon.
I don't agree with your post. There are many people that I know of (even the poster above stated this) that are on AT&T and would not even look at an iDevice. When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either. Arguments about people stuck in contracts and family plans don't really count because if iDevices were the only real choice, people would do whatever it takes to get one. However, that is just not the case. Android is a viable competitor to Apple and in many ways superior IMHO.
Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon?
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When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice back then are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. Because they had BB or just wanted a simple phone. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally. I guess my focus is more USA than others. I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Speak my man!
Well,first off,the iPhone isn't carrier exclusive everywhere.Here in Europe there are many many people who don't want to be bound to one carrier for their phone purchases and buy phones SIM-FREE.Plus,even those with contracts(I think Vodafone has the iPhone?It does here in Greece anyway)don't buy this many iPhones.
At first I thought that it was just because the smartphone market in Greece isn't all that grown.Then,I was on a trip to the UK,where all of a sudden I stopped seeing crap-phones that can only make calls and send texts(Some of them even have cameras though! ).Smartphones all around.But iPhones were MUCH less common than I thought.Many Blackberry's were wandering around(not on their own obviously! ),many HTCs(98% of which were Android phones),Samsungs etc(Android phones in General) and many iPhones.But not nearly as many as the other two.
That might have been my power of observation and things may be different,but that's what I saw.
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Exactamundo
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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I still don't think so. People get bored. I owned an iPhone before I ever got an Android phone. I still like the iPhone, my wife is sick of it and prefers Android. Lots of Android owners came from iPhone. As long as Apple maintains the monopoly on iOS and keeps it closed, competitors would continue to assault it with a barrage of competition, some of which (like Android) are quite good and would have gained traction. So I think even if Apple supported more than one carrier back then, it would have little impact on how things would be today. I think it's the exclusivity to Apple that has allowed Android to be successful, not so much carrier exclusivity. There are many companies making mobile phones, such as HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. They would have continued to attempt to make an "iPhone killer" no matter what carriers carried the iPhone.
Long, long ago, there was a time when almost everyone who had a computer at home, had an Apple computer. Apple dominated the consumer market with their Apple II series, and made serious inroads into business and publishing with the Mac. However, it was Apple's brand exclusivity that allowed the IBM PC to dominate. IBM didn't fight the clones, and eventually, every company except Apple started making x86 PCs running Microsoft OS.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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Well of course not..
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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+1...LOL
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I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Agreed, Verizon helped Android to get success in US, but Android is popular because its open source...and anybody with little programming knowledge and guts to ruin his phone can make android phone awesome and as they want...which you cant do with iphone...even if u jail break it...pure independence is what made android so popular...other factors like different hardware options and ability to port almost everything you see in other phones....Google's awesome work and innovative way to kill competitors....I can write an essay on android lol...
Also, IMO one of the major factor is HTC launching new phone every month...I cant believe how many phones HTC has launched in last 6 months...now every carrier is US has HTC phone with almost same hardware and software.....they just luanch it without thinking lol...
Samsung has taken better way of promoting android with launching new devices with something new and specialty like SAMOLED screens etc...similarly Motorola is doing good....
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally.
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That statement falls somewhere between untrue and irrelevant.
At the very top end, Nokia have basically no market presence and things are only a wee bit better in the mid-range.
The only area Nokia is doing well in is the ultra-cheap range, not smartphones, so that has no bearing on a thread on the topic of the popularity of Android and the effect of iOS on that.
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I guess my focus is more USA than others.
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Well, you never said that and even if you had, the popularity of Android is not limited to the US - even within it's own bubble, the US market is not impervious to outside influences.
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I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Nope, that would never have happened - unlike Symbian, Android is actually a very OS.
So even if it hadn't been given the initial push from Verizon, it would still have ended up just as popular, it just might've taken a bit longer is all.
But no matter how things had unfolded in the US, there's just too much innovation with Android for it to have ever been left behind.
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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Yeah but we have proper sports
Yeah but we have proper sports [/QUOTE]
NFL still the best takes a beast to play
All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
I believe that's the point of off-topic
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-
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All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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I believe that's the point of off-topic
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Hmm, it seems this thread has been moved then - it was in the 'General' section when I first posted...
fleurdelisxliv said:
lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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Fair dos.
I've tried watching American Football but I just can't stay interested in it, it seems to take so long...
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Devs and droid lovers alike, I have just been informed that the iphone has an automatic. Start for your car app. I was doing one of my regular "android is taking oover the world" text messages to all my friends and someone responded with that... now of course I went to into the android os and the fact that its an open os and all that but needless to say, I was rocked. This will be the iphones trump if we don't do something fast. So dev, the android community is depending on you guys to study the application in question and then crush it! I know you guys can do it! Charge just as much as they do and put it on the market.. everyone will buy!
Long live ANDROID!
im not sure if its the same one but if you look in the best buy flyer it shows the viper alarm system can be bought on the iphone for $500 instead of buying the piece for your keys
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
This is a stupid ****ing idea.
The Android OS isn't as clean or as slick as the Iphone or as responsive, and who cares.
I saw the commercial showcasing this, and it looks good, ON THE IPHONE.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
This is a stupid ****ing idea.
The Android OS isn't as clean or as slick as the Iphone or as responsive, and who cares.
I saw the commercial showcasing this, and it looks good, ON THE IPHONE.
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Haha I agree. Who gives a **** what the iPhone can do. We may not all like
the iPhone, but since when is this a competition?
First off you have to have something in your car for your phone to talk with. I don't plan on installing a Blue tooth gizmo so I can start my car when my car keys work just fine. Oh I do have remote start on my keys so it kinda defeats the need for an iPhone or Android version. Heck I don't even use the remote start half the time unless its really really cold outside.
As for the competition between iPhone and Android. I made my decision the day I bought my G1.
I wanna use my g1's poor accelerometer to steer my car!
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I wanna use my g1's poor accelerometer to steer my car!
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Yeah...and use the barcode scanner to scan the QR code on the cop's ticket so I don't need the paper copy. The ticket I got for mowing down the guy standing on the sidewalk, starting his car with his iPhone. Applesauce all over my metal-alloy valve stem caps.
wow
For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!
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For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!
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I thought our trump was the source code, let's see them come back at you with that. At&t's superior network?! All of my friends iPhones drop calls every day!
The point is that its a competition...not what the trump is...i just want to provoke anyone who up for the comp to step up!
I personally would never want to use my phone for this.. it provides too many possibilities of disaster. If you have a Bluetooth device in your car running someone will hack it sooner or later.
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I personally would never want to use my phone for this.. it provides too many possibilities of disaster. If you have a Bluetooth device in your car running someone will hack it sooner or later.
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totally it will be like the ability to crack WEP haha
This does NOT run off bluetooth for one. There is essentially another cellular phone in the vehicle that receives a handshake through the SMS system.
This is OLD OLD OLD OLD news and has been done before
http://www.sentinelcaralarms.com/
Go put that system in and you can control it from your Cell, your house, your aunt's brother's cousin's boyfriend's sister.
Seeing as that is run off DTMF, I am sure someone could toss an app together with a macro to do certain functions automatically through a GUI
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Yeah...and use the barcode scanner to scan the QR code on the cop's ticket so I don't need the paper copy. The ticket I got for mowing down the guy standing on the sidewalk, starting his car with his iPhone. Applesauce all over my metal-alloy valve stem caps.
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Ahahahahaha nice!
XP
Could you imagine
My g1 auto starting my 91 Toyota AWD 5 speed? hahahaha
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For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!
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Sorry to be off topic but this post is slightly ridiculous. Yes, I knew what I was getting into when I bought a G1. And I would say my decision was also slightly based on the fact that I was already in a contract with T-Mobile. BUT the reason I chose android was not because it was BETTER than the iPhone. In fact, I never even compared it to the iPhone. But that's kind of irrelevant.
The point I want to make is that devs aren't cooking ROMs to compete with the iPhone. In fact, I would go as far as to say that there's not a single dev on this forum that is trying to compete with iPhone. Sure, maybe some of them think android is superior in some way, and maybe they think android will triumph in the smartphone market eventually, but they aren't android devs because they want to be iPhone killers
I'm sure there are good things about apple. I sell Macs at work so I have to say good things about apple so I can get my $25 comission. This thread isn't about that however. This thread is a VENT thread. I want to hear all the things you hate, can't stand, dislike or are slightly irritated by - when it comes to anything apple.
Apple fanboys - with any luck there are sure to be a lot of baseless accusations, arguments without due grounds and all sorts of logical fallicies. There may even be embrassing pictures of Steve Jobs if we're lucky enough. However I just would like you to keep in mind we don't want any but's. No "But actually it doesn't", no "They fixed that in version 7" ect. The only butt allowed is if someone posts a picture of Steve Jobs mooning preschoolers.
If you want to, start a thread about why apple roxor your soxor, but please, give us space to vent!
I'll start:
I hate yuppies using an iPhone as a status symbol, and every single god damm person that sees my phone (HTC Touch Pro2) asking me either "Why didn't you get an iPhone" or "Is that some kind of iPhone knockoff?"
I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
Demon_man said:
I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F
Casshern said:
I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F
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well its true and FACT is there not!!!
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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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the people or the iphone? lol
LOL, BOTH!
I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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gullum = gullabul = sheep
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I hate this douche bag.
good day.
I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
gullum said:
I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?
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I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?
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What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?
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I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****..
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i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..
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What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?
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porn. naah just kidding
Youtube. Their Youtube player is crap.
raving_nanza said:
i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..
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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"
I hate the way apple purposely Design the phone so that features standard in every other phone, are not there or DO NOT WORK. Eg bluetooth: only works for other iphones. SD card slot has already been mentioned, Itunes is annoying to use, No USB ports, and this is only just a start on its flaws. Why Don't many reviewers mention these flaws? Impartiality seems to go out the window when apple is involved.
I also dislike the free adverising apple gets when major companies adveritse their new iphone apps, or iphone only promotions. It would be fine if they advertised it in conjunction with their apps for other phone brands, but they dont. This just contributes to the misconception that iphone is the only phone with any support.
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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"
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honestly though, he bought the iphone for a stupid amout of money.. he give me it to play with, after 10 mins i gave it him back and said it was sh*t..
* the look on his face was a picture for the funny pictures thread lol
A few years back my friend bought a Mac desktop for $5000... My $2500 pc runs circles around it .
How about such "innovative" features such as a front facing camera or multitasking (my G1 could multitask for Pete's sake). At least you get to hold yer iphone 4 in an "innovative" manner.
Crash Different
this says it all
http://members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html
I hate Apple because they...
1. Make up marketing terms to make it look like they invented stuff that they didn't.
a. "Retina display". WTF? I wasn't aware there was a limit on how dense pixels can be. If you listen to Steve, it's as if they made a huge technological breakthrough so that we can finally have a 326dpi screen.
Newsflash: The Toshiba G900 had a 313dpi screen. It was released in 2007.
b. "Face Time". WTF? It's called "video calling". And it's been around for as long as I can remember 3G being around. Plus, Apple's implementation doesn't even work over cellular network. When it finaly does, it'll be another new "feature".
2. Introduce rudimentary features that have been around for years and then make it sound like they're new and awesome.
a. These were not available until 2009. MMS, cut-copy-paste, video recording, camera autofocus.
b. These were not available until 2010. Wallpaper, camera flash, multitasking, folders.
1. Their PR lies; about stats, about innovation, about anything
2. Jobs is a psycho
3. They make products for the technologically retarded and I am not technologically retarded
4. They lie
5. They lie
6. They are fanned by 1000000 douche bags across the US
7. They lie
Apple blows. Steve Jobs needs to die already.
Loving the contributions guys, keep em comming.
I hate how people always assume that there are more apps on an iphone - the Windows Mobile platform has been around for 10years, is completely open and anyone can install any software on their phone. There is no way apple ever will have an edge when they strange their software developers.
I hate how people will spend more money on a mac product that does exactly the same (if not less) as a similar product, because its 'apple'.
The iphone is like McDonalds. It tastes good (to they majority), its always the same (dependable) you have a great range (of whats on the menu) and anyone can hand over money and enjoy their food.
Windows Mobile is like cooking. If you don't know what your doing, you're going to be boiling 2minute noodles and not be that impressed compared to a happy meal. However if you're willing to learn about cooking, to put the time and effort into finding out what you can do with different ingrediants, how to put them together - then you can make an absolutely amazingly delicious meal for a fraction of the cost of takeaway food
Sure you can't just get delicious food if you're not willing to put the time in, but if you are? You can get something that meets your every craving and satisfies all your tastes!
It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu
hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?
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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
lowandbehold said:
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales
In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...
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In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4
Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.
Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.
Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
xaccers said:
Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.
Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395315,00.asp#fbid=46CYcVkiOEC
Ultimately, though, Fadell's point of view won out. Apple acquired a couple of chip companies, PA Semi and Intrinsity, and created its own chips, the A4 and later A5. Jobs explains why he didn't go with Intel for the iPad and iPhone in the book.
"There were two reasons we did not go with them" he said. "One was that they are just really slow. They are like a steamship, not very flexible. We are used to going pretty fast. Second is that we just did not want to teach them everything, which they could go and sell to our competitors,"
Jobs also voiced other criticisms. He said Intel's "graphics suck" and that its processors don't have the same system-on-a-chip efficiencies of the A4/A5.
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Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
Illicit Hero said:
Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
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Not to mention, it behooves Samsung to get along well with Apple to keep their lucrative business. No way would samsung disrupt that flow of money from Apple. Apple could smack Samsung around all day long, every day, and Sammy would overlook it just to keep the extreme Apple revenue coming.
Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Glad you said it because I was going to. I know and knew more intelligent and inventive people who never had a modern education than anyone who did have. The only thing a paper gives a person is an ego.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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I'm not saying he wasn't smart, just uneducated in that he always acted in ways that were more consumer-like than professional. Definitely not in any way downplaying the role he had on shaping the industry to what it is today nor any of his achievements.
People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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Are you saying Apple owned ARM? If so, I learn something new every day.
See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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Wow! Samsung basically is using Apple technology in their chips. Not only Samsung, but also a great many other companies use Apple tech in their products. Samsung owes a lot to Apple and they repay them by ripping them off.
It has always been said the Asians do a good job of copying the hard work of Western civilized nations. Much of the technology in the world came from the USA.
Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well, for one thing, your talking about what the governments do and politics. No politics allowed. I had a thread that wasn't about politics, but because someone decided it was, the thread was closed. So if you want this thread to remain open, keep the politics out.
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
Kailkti said:
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
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ARM existed long before Apple's involvement.
They were one of the major RISC cpu developers.
All that happened was Apple needed a cpu for the Newton (remember that? Many people don't), ARM's RISC processor was nearly up to the job but they didn't have the financial resources to get it there, so Apple invested in them and they created a new company.
Apple provided money and the requirements, ARM and VLSI continued to design and create the CPUs.
For instance, many Brits will remember the BBC Master (first to use an ARM processor in certain models in 86, I miss those orange function keys) and Archimedes/A series, and the horrible RiscPC (powerful computer with very little software support that with "a flick of a switch" could be turned into a P60 dog with lots of software but not the grunt to run it, so basically the worst of both worlds).
I grew up with the BBC B with a sideways ROM/RAM board giving 48KB rather than the standard 32KB
Apple had been unsuccessful at getting into the UK Education market so attempted to ride on the back of Acron and set up Xemplar Software. It failed and they relocated to Eire after Acron sold their shares. I know several people who worked for Xemplar at the time.
By then ARM had long realised that it needed to expand the use of it's processors as schools were moving on to PCs, hence why they branched out into set top boxes for satelite and cable, and mobile devices.
fact trivia
1st ARM CPU = MOS 6502
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502
ARM = Acorn RISC Machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM
6502 is truly going back. Not sure I really want to remember the Vic 20/C64 days.
Ahhh oki. Thanks for clearing that up.
I personally think it is damaging to Google/Android that so many people didn't get the Nexus 4. Perhaps not damaging right away, but this phone is a hot seller, demand has shown so, not to mention it's a Nexus. Finally even the not-techy users and people switching from iPhone will finally have access that is a Nexus device with a good spec and frequent updates. (Now I know that there have been previous Nexus devices but overall they were not nearly as attractive of an option as this device, I think we can all agree.)
This phone will allow people to see Android in its current most updated state, without even having to throw on a leaked or custom ROM, like you frequently have to do with a Non-Nexus device, in order to just stay current with Android.
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The funny thing is.. this device is great for DEV's, great for modding/custom ROM's etc... but it's ACTUALLY ALSO good for people who don't want to have to search for leaked updates/newer custom ROM's etc because it has OTA updates frequently/right away, so it's simple for them to stay current with Android, without having to think or research anything. So this phone has two overall target markets IMO.
http://www.talkandroid.com
I can't tell you how many people I know personally, that bought into Android and ditched it for an iPhone because they bought a Non-Nexus device that never received updates and was stuck on an old version of Android for FAR TOO LONG.. (in other words, garbage..)
We all know stock Android has come a long way in the last year. Simply too many people have been discouraged from Android with the Non-Nexus experience/fragmentation/lack of updates on other devices.
http://cultofandroid.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com
If Google flooded this phone to the market (like they should have), because of the attractive price point, spec etc. I personally think that it would capture so many more potential users, who perhaps would not have taken the leap toward Android ordinarily, or maybe to Android but not Nexus - And that's what is important. Little do many know how good the Nexus experience is, until they experience it for themselves. It will change their perspective of Android IMO. The Nexus experience and frequent updates, is what will give Android a really good name. Especially with the features of an OS like Android 4.2 and everything since 4.0. (which have been nothing short of amazing)
Now of course people will still be able to buy this phone is due time, and it's not the end of the world, but time and technology move quick. People don't tend to wait, especially when there are so many other options. And how do we know when they next batches are going to be released? could be 2 weeks? 3 days? 1 month? more? Will it sell out again? Maybe.
Nexus phones come out every year. Therefore every week, or month that passes that these users don't have this phone in their hands, the perceived value of the device for the end user will drop, because it will simply be that much less time until the next Nexus is released.
What I'm really getting at here is that I think it would be in Google's best interest to release more Nexus 4 phones as soon as possible. Simply as a good marketing strategy/"seed for growth" for Android. Making it a reality that Nexus phones will go into the hands of many more users, will be the eye-opener for people to realize Android is the best mobile operating system currently. Especially when I can see on this board alone that many people are switching from Non-Nexus devices to this Nexus. Sadly, other Non-Nexus devices won't stand true to this name, because it's not up to Google to update them, it's mostly up to the manufacturers and service providers to release updates, which as we know doesn't always go ahead as planned.
If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
MatAuc12 said:
Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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30 mil units lol.. buddy u clearly haven't understood possibly how little devices they had stocked.
talking about a later release date and a launch date that completely failed are two completely different things, you're clearly missing the point here
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If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
man, a lot of butt hurt people who didn't get the Nexus 4 are spewing rage threads left and right.
Demand > Supply.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claim "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
We all know Google had the power to release more units on launch date. Regardless of how many units they did or didn't release.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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Firstly, glad to see you agree that Nexus devices are the key to Androids success.
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to your comments on developers buying phones, being nothing but a small percent.. I agree. BUT I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they had understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out. And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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lol somebody didn't read the first post, AT ALL.
UKROB86 said:
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to the comments on developers buying phones, I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.
And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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Not talking about stores. Was more of along the lines that if they take pre-orders in October with the release day being November 13th, they ship pre-orders with 2-day shipping on the 11th. Walk-up online sales begin on the 13th, as well as in-store sales where applicable. Sure, some people may get a phone a day early or a day late, but it's more exciting than nobody getting a phone.
Stores are entrusted to release inventory at certain times frequently, that's a whole different issue.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
UKROB86 said:
oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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UKROB86 said:
Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Well, to be fair, the iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 are in different leagues in terms of demand. And Google has a hardware partner with years of experience in manufacturing and delivering high-volume electronic goods.
And simple -- limit pre-orders to your actual supply or a fraction thereof.
It's honestly been one day since the release. If you don't get a product on launch day it doesn't mean that the company is failing >.>