I personally think it is damaging to Google/Android that so many people didn't get the Nexus 4. Perhaps not damaging right away, but this phone is a hot seller, demand has shown so, not to mention it's a Nexus. Finally even the not-techy users and people switching from iPhone will finally have access that is a Nexus device with a good spec and frequent updates. (Now I know that there have been previous Nexus devices but overall they were not nearly as attractive of an option as this device, I think we can all agree.)
This phone will allow people to see Android in its current most updated state, without even having to throw on a leaked or custom ROM, like you frequently have to do with a Non-Nexus device, in order to just stay current with Android.
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The funny thing is.. this device is great for DEV's, great for modding/custom ROM's etc... but it's ACTUALLY ALSO good for people who don't want to have to search for leaked updates/newer custom ROM's etc because it has OTA updates frequently/right away, so it's simple for them to stay current with Android, without having to think or research anything. So this phone has two overall target markets IMO.
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I can't tell you how many people I know personally, that bought into Android and ditched it for an iPhone because they bought a Non-Nexus device that never received updates and was stuck on an old version of Android for FAR TOO LONG.. (in other words, garbage..)
We all know stock Android has come a long way in the last year. Simply too many people have been discouraged from Android with the Non-Nexus experience/fragmentation/lack of updates on other devices.
http://cultofandroid.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com
If Google flooded this phone to the market (like they should have), because of the attractive price point, spec etc. I personally think that it would capture so many more potential users, who perhaps would not have taken the leap toward Android ordinarily, or maybe to Android but not Nexus - And that's what is important. Little do many know how good the Nexus experience is, until they experience it for themselves. It will change their perspective of Android IMO. The Nexus experience and frequent updates, is what will give Android a really good name. Especially with the features of an OS like Android 4.2 and everything since 4.0. (which have been nothing short of amazing)
Now of course people will still be able to buy this phone is due time, and it's not the end of the world, but time and technology move quick. People don't tend to wait, especially when there are so many other options. And how do we know when they next batches are going to be released? could be 2 weeks? 3 days? 1 month? more? Will it sell out again? Maybe.
Nexus phones come out every year. Therefore every week, or month that passes that these users don't have this phone in their hands, the perceived value of the device for the end user will drop, because it will simply be that much less time until the next Nexus is released.
What I'm really getting at here is that I think it would be in Google's best interest to release more Nexus 4 phones as soon as possible. Simply as a good marketing strategy/"seed for growth" for Android. Making it a reality that Nexus phones will go into the hands of many more users, will be the eye-opener for people to realize Android is the best mobile operating system currently. Especially when I can see on this board alone that many people are switching from Non-Nexus devices to this Nexus. Sadly, other Non-Nexus devices won't stand true to this name, because it's not up to Google to update them, it's mostly up to the manufacturers and service providers to release updates, which as we know doesn't always go ahead as planned.
If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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30 mil units lol.. buddy u clearly haven't understood possibly how little devices they had stocked.
talking about a later release date and a launch date that completely failed are two completely different things, you're clearly missing the point here
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
man, a lot of butt hurt people who didn't get the Nexus 4 are spewing rage threads left and right.
Demand > Supply.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claim "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
We all know Google had the power to release more units on launch date. Regardless of how many units they did or didn't release.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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Firstly, glad to see you agree that Nexus devices are the key to Androids success.
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to your comments on developers buying phones, being nothing but a small percent.. I agree. BUT I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they had understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out. And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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lol somebody didn't read the first post, AT ALL.
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I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to the comments on developers buying phones, I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.
And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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Not talking about stores. Was more of along the lines that if they take pre-orders in October with the release day being November 13th, they ship pre-orders with 2-day shipping on the 11th. Walk-up online sales begin on the 13th, as well as in-store sales where applicable. Sure, some people may get a phone a day early or a day late, but it's more exciting than nobody getting a phone.
Stores are entrusted to release inventory at certain times frequently, that's a whole different issue.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Well, to be fair, the iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 are in different leagues in terms of demand. And Google has a hardware partner with years of experience in manufacturing and delivering high-volume electronic goods.
And simple -- limit pre-orders to your actual supply or a fraction thereof.
It's honestly been one day since the release. If you don't get a product on launch day it doesn't mean that the company is failing >.>
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I had this thought the other day about how I used to long for an iPhone while on Sprint. I remember all these people rushing over to AT&T to get the iPhone and I really wanted the iPhone as well, but I had such a good SERO plan with Sprint that I couldn't make that switch. Plus I enjoyed being able to make a call here and there
But I'm thinking, if iPhone came to all carriers right out of the gate, most people would have had the iPhone already when Android came out and people wouldn't have been clamoring for an iPhone-like competitor.
So my personal thought is that Apple screwed themselves royally by going exclusive with AT&T and if they had gone to all carriers, we would only have a single monopolistic smart phone instead of 2.
Not to say that android might not still have happened, but they pretty much did what iPhone didn't. They said.. screw exclusivity.. we will go everywhere.. and it has paid off, allowing them to grow very quickly while Apple had no choice but to sit idly by.
You'll have to ignore the intial reaction of being able to develop more with android because it is more open... . we may not have reached this potential of development if we never gave android the chance intially because we already had iphones
ive been with at&t 4ever and i never have an iphone and have had a few phones since it came out then android came and ill never look back
Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon? Verizon is THE largest cellular network in the US, at the moment. The Verizon iPhone may have put a dent into Android sales, but I've yet to see any articles saying that Android market share is doing anything but increasing. Sprint is a distant third. If the iPhone were available on Sprint, I'm sure it would sell well, but its dent to Android market share would be much less than Verizon.
I don't agree with your post. There are many people that I know of (even the poster above stated this) that are on AT&T and would not even look at an iDevice. When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either. Arguments about people stuck in contracts and family plans don't really count because if iDevices were the only real choice, people would do whatever it takes to get one. However, that is just not the case. Android is a viable competitor to Apple and in many ways superior IMHO.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon?
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When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice back then are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. Because they had BB or just wanted a simple phone. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally. I guess my focus is more USA than others. I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Speak my man!
Well,first off,the iPhone isn't carrier exclusive everywhere.Here in Europe there are many many people who don't want to be bound to one carrier for their phone purchases and buy phones SIM-FREE.Plus,even those with contracts(I think Vodafone has the iPhone?It does here in Greece anyway)don't buy this many iPhones.
At first I thought that it was just because the smartphone market in Greece isn't all that grown.Then,I was on a trip to the UK,where all of a sudden I stopped seeing crap-phones that can only make calls and send texts(Some of them even have cameras though! ).Smartphones all around.But iPhones were MUCH less common than I thought.Many Blackberry's were wandering around(not on their own obviously! ),many HTCs(98% of which were Android phones),Samsungs etc(Android phones in General) and many iPhones.But not nearly as many as the other two.
That might have been my power of observation and things may be different,but that's what I saw.
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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I still don't think so. People get bored. I owned an iPhone before I ever got an Android phone. I still like the iPhone, my wife is sick of it and prefers Android. Lots of Android owners came from iPhone. As long as Apple maintains the monopoly on iOS and keeps it closed, competitors would continue to assault it with a barrage of competition, some of which (like Android) are quite good and would have gained traction. So I think even if Apple supported more than one carrier back then, it would have little impact on how things would be today. I think it's the exclusivity to Apple that has allowed Android to be successful, not so much carrier exclusivity. There are many companies making mobile phones, such as HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. They would have continued to attempt to make an "iPhone killer" no matter what carriers carried the iPhone.
Long, long ago, there was a time when almost everyone who had a computer at home, had an Apple computer. Apple dominated the consumer market with their Apple II series, and made serious inroads into business and publishing with the Mac. However, it was Apple's brand exclusivity that allowed the IBM PC to dominate. IBM didn't fight the clones, and eventually, every company except Apple started making x86 PCs running Microsoft OS.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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Well of course not..
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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+1...LOL
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I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Agreed, Verizon helped Android to get success in US, but Android is popular because its open source...and anybody with little programming knowledge and guts to ruin his phone can make android phone awesome and as they want...which you cant do with iphone...even if u jail break it...pure independence is what made android so popular...other factors like different hardware options and ability to port almost everything you see in other phones....Google's awesome work and innovative way to kill competitors....I can write an essay on android lol...
Also, IMO one of the major factor is HTC launching new phone every month...I cant believe how many phones HTC has launched in last 6 months...now every carrier is US has HTC phone with almost same hardware and software.....they just luanch it without thinking lol...
Samsung has taken better way of promoting android with launching new devices with something new and specialty like SAMOLED screens etc...similarly Motorola is doing good....
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally.
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That statement falls somewhere between untrue and irrelevant.
At the very top end, Nokia have basically no market presence and things are only a wee bit better in the mid-range.
The only area Nokia is doing well in is the ultra-cheap range, not smartphones, so that has no bearing on a thread on the topic of the popularity of Android and the effect of iOS on that.
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I guess my focus is more USA than others.
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Well, you never said that and even if you had, the popularity of Android is not limited to the US - even within it's own bubble, the US market is not impervious to outside influences.
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I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Nope, that would never have happened - unlike Symbian, Android is actually a very OS.
So even if it hadn't been given the initial push from Verizon, it would still have ended up just as popular, it just might've taken a bit longer is all.
But no matter how things had unfolded in the US, there's just too much innovation with Android for it to have ever been left behind.
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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Yeah but we have proper sports
Yeah but we have proper sports [/QUOTE]
NFL still the best takes a beast to play
All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
I believe that's the point of off-topic
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-
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All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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I believe that's the point of off-topic
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Hmm, it seems this thread has been moved then - it was in the 'General' section when I first posted...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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Fair dos.
I've tried watching American Football but I just can't stay interested in it, it seems to take so long...
It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu
hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?
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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales
In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...
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In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4
Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.
Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.
Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.
Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there
Hi everyone, first than nothing, English its not my native language so please try to understand what I want to focus on this threat...
As we now, the Nexus 4 will be available this 13th/nov. and tons of people are getting ready to buy this beauty and powerful device having on mind the sweet price of it.
However, many developers already has the preview release version in their hands, and they share with us in videos their experience with this device, but something its getting me nervous, many of them are saying that the battery isn't enough, the black crystal its too fragile, no LTE (IDK), a washed-out screen, etc etc, we all know the "issues" with this device but, you guys think that when the official release version get available this "issues" will disappear?
I really like this device, but I can't understand why the hell so many bad reviews...
I'm counting the seconds for the moment that I can buy this thing... and I really hope that Google kick the asses of The Verge/Engadget etc...
NOTE: Look at this video and let me know what do you think about this "new leak" of PhotoSphere...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeF7QSeENHU
Thanks and sorry for my bad english.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1970593
Make sure to read that thread before you buy!
Pretty much with the reviews coming in about the battery life, overheating, poor benchmarks those could all be explained by the fact that those review units aren't the final versions we will get.
But either way... wait to purchase the phone if you're unsure you could live with the issues above and let the early adopters either confirm or deny the issues before purchasing so you don't wind up with a restocking fee if you're in the U.S.
I don't think all the issues will just magically disappear, but I think they'll definitely be smoothed out, given time
first than nothing.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1970593
Make sure to read that thread before you buy!
Pretty much with the reviews coming in about the battery life, overheating, poor benchmarks those could all be explained by the fact that those review units aren't the final versions we will get.
But either way... wait to purchase the phone if you're unsure you could live with the issues above and let the early adopters either confirm or deny the issues before purchasing so you don't wind up with a restocking fee if you're in the U.S.
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lol... of course, I too hope that the issues were caused by buggy software, but just because that's what I want doesn't mean it's the answer. Seems like most people on this forum have forgotten that.
Yeah as I noticed that there seems to a be a lot of glithces and due the fact that I needed a phone quickly (my old SGS3 got stolen). I decided to go for Note 2 for now and wait to see what happens to Nexus 4 in the following months.
As for now Note 2 has been surprisingly good. I was ready for okeish SGS3 experience with bigger screen but this has been so much better than expected
You are right, might we need to wait a few weeks to determinate if we can buy this or not, however, I have a lot of respect for engineers and I don't think the come to blast the market (299$) with a crappy phone if we have on mind, Google select the hardware very carefully..
Please post in one of the existing review threads.
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"Hey, Google! What the hell??!?! Honestly, I'm not upset that that the phone is in huge demand. I'm not upset that they sold out far faster than expected or that they just didn't have enough supply. That's great for Google, great for Android, and great for wireless in the US where carriers have a stranglehold on the market. I'm freaking thrilled, in fact, that the market is embracing a new model for buying phones and sticking it to the carriers who have been totally ubstructionist to updates and have, in many ways, crippled Android over and over on phone after phone.
I'm angry because this is bloody Google - You'd think they could figure out how to handle peak loads and ecommerce at least as well as Apple. Google locates their datacenters near hydroelectric dams for God's sake so that they can access enough power to keep the world searching, to process the 72 hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute, and to crunch enough data to automatically give me directions to my various destinations as I hop into my car for an appointment.
And yet Google couldn't switch from "Ships in 3-5 days" in the Play Store to "Sold Out" several hours after their stock had been depleted. Google didn't know the difference between "Coming soon" and "Sold Out" and actually let people continue buying phones long after they had all been gobbled up.
Google didn't have the sense to limit numbers of purchases to one or two per household and the situation was exacerbated because the miserable excuse for a storefront that they call the Play Store was such a disaster at peak load that people were buying two or three phones accidentally.
Google has enough information from the nation's aggregated searches to track influenza outbreaks faster and more accurately than the CDC and yet they didn't anticipate demand for a $300 unlocked superphone running the latest version of Android. Gee, Google, do you think a few people might want one of those? They certainly knew I did based on the search and social data I happily and consensually share with them every day through my Google account.
Google can track the movement of illegal weapons worldwide better than our own government who should really be in a position to know about the weapons trade. And yet, when I sent an email today checking on the status of my order, just moments before I received that backorder email, the automated response cheerily told me that my phone should ship today and that I would have a UPS tracking number by tomorrow.
Why is this so damned hard for a company that is probably better than any other at processing data? Why, for a company that pioneered large-scale failover and redundancy and can shift literally petaflops of processing power among its various datacenters worldwide, could it not handle demand for a phone? Have you ever gotten an email from Apple saying, "Gosh, so sorry, we didn't think many of you would actually want a freaking iPhone so we didn't bother scaling our ecommerce systems or building a kajillion phones, so even though we told you that you got one, we were wrong so now you'll have to wait a while"? No, probably not.
Google finally discovers the secret sauce for Android and turning the wireless industry on its ears only to be derailed because its online store choked. Really? Seriously? Because Google didn't have the scalability or computing muscle to handle a spike on a few of their several hundred thousand servers? Because there weren't any Google engineers smart enough to figure out a better way to do ecommerce? Despite being able to auction millions of ads in real time? Really?
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. Google, if you're listening (and I know you are, since you already know virtually every move I make), please go buy a company that knows how to sell things on the Internet. There's one or two (or 100) that do it fairly well." Christopher Dawson ZDNet
http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-4-play-store-debacle-gives-buyers-the-backorder-blues-7000007482/
AmesCell said:
http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-4-play-store-debacle-gives-buyers-the-backorder-blues-7000007482/
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yes - hence I quoted him.
Its good that a writer from one of the tech sites finally wrote this - it feels like the others are letting Google off the hook.
Google made an excellent choice by hiring Matias Duarte to head up UI creation they urgently need to hire logistical experts.
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It's not even the demand that was the issue. If they knew they would have (say) 100 phones that would be ready to be shipped on Nov 15th. HOW is it possible for them to take more than a 100 orders?
It's really put a bad taste in my mouth for Google. It may be true, all they care about it the data they need from all of us. Everything else (experience, consistency, etc) comes second, at best.
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Its good that a writer from one of the tech sites finally wrote this - it feels like the others are letting Google off the hook.
Google made an excellent choice by hiring Matias Duarte to head up UI creation they urgently need to hire logistical experts.
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They should ask Tim Cook for recommendations. That man is a genius when it comes to this.
Google deserves bad publicity for their launch failure!
glenroebuck said:
"Hey, Google! What the hell??!?! Honestly, I'm not upset that that the phone is in huge demand. I'm not upset that they sold out far faster than expected or that they just didn't have enough supply. That's great for Google, great for Android, and great for wireless in the US where carriers have a stranglehold on the market. I'm freaking thrilled, in fact, that the market is embracing a new model for buying phones and sticking it to the carriers who have been totally ubstructionist to updates and have, in many ways, crippled Android over and over on phone after phone.
I'm angry because this is bloody Google - You'd think they could figure out how to handle peak loads and ecommerce at least as well as Apple. Google locates their datacenters near hydroelectric dams for God's sake so that they can access enough power to keep the world searching, to process the 72 hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute, and to crunch enough data to automatically give me directions to my various destinations as I hop into my car for an appointment.
And yet Google couldn't switch from "Ships in 3-5 days" in the Play Store to "Sold Out" several hours after their stock had been depleted. Google didn't know the difference between "Coming soon" and "Sold Out" and actually let people continue buying phones long after they had all been gobbled up.
Google didn't have the sense to limit numbers of purchases to one or two per household and the situation was exacerbated because the miserable excuse for a storefront that they call the Play Store was such a disaster at peak load that people were buying two or three phones accidentally.
Google has enough information from the nation's aggregated searches to track influenza outbreaks faster and more accurately than the CDC and yet they didn't anticipate demand for a $300 unlocked superphone running the latest version of Android. Gee, Google, do you think a few people might want one of those? They certainly knew I did based on the search and social data I happily and consensually share with them every day through my Google account.
Google can track the movement of illegal weapons worldwide better than our own government who should really be in a position to know about the weapons trade. And yet, when I sent an email today checking on the status of my order, just moments before I received that backorder email, the automated response cheerily told me that my phone should ship today and that I would have a UPS tracking number by tomorrow.
Why is this so damned hard for a company that is probably better than any other at processing data? Why, for a company that pioneered large-scale failover and redundancy and can shift literally petaflops of processing power among its various datacenters worldwide, could it not handle demand for a phone? Have you ever gotten an email from Apple saying, "Gosh, so sorry, we didn't think many of you would actually want a freaking iPhone so we didn't bother scaling our ecommerce systems or building a kajillion phones, so even though we told you that you got one, we were wrong so now you'll have to wait a while"? No, probably not.
Google finally discovers the secret sauce for Android and turning the wireless industry on its ears only to be derailed because its online store choked. Really? Seriously? Because Google didn't have the scalability or computing muscle to handle a spike on a few of their several hundred thousand servers? Because there weren't any Google engineers smart enough to figure out a better way to do ecommerce? Despite being able to auction millions of ads in real time? Really?
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. Google, if you're listening (and I know you are, since you already know virtually every move I make), please go buy a company that knows how to sell things on the Internet. There's one or two (or 100) that do it fairly well." Christopher Dawson ZDNet
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If the person who wrote this were on XDA, I would have made a thousand accounts just to Thank him as many times. I am bloody tired of the whole Play Store debacle. Not usually the one to whine and *****, but this is beyond words!
Only those who got no phone care. /small violin playing.
I clicked buy and it worked for me. But then again, even if I had missed getting one. Its a phone. I just would have waited for the next batch. Or maybe I would piss and moan about something so small, write a 5 paragraph statement on a Non Google Site and then burned down an orphanage. /Waaaaaaaa
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
justibasa said:
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Better send devices to reviewers
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As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
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Too bad there are not many choices out there compared to a few years ago.
I hope I'm wrong here,but, I could see this creeping towards locked bootloaders if OnePlus' data indicates the overwhelming majority of users run a stock/unrooted phone.
Certainly,the partnership with T-Mobile is paying off, I could see this expanding to more carriers & if the price is right,OnePlus would drop aftermarket development like a bad habit....
This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising revenues.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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I specifically use OP because I can mess with it, root it, change things. A month after the Galaxy phones come out, they drop to nearly what OP sells them for new. If I can't root my phone, why would I settle for the corners that OP cuts over a better - mostly everything - on a Samsung or Pixel? No reason in my mind.
hartleyshc said:
They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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Fair enough, good post.
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This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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No point to waste your time man it's just another entitled user that thinks XDA is a place to make your phone cool not a developer forum.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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That's a lot nicer than I would have put it. Just didn't want to get banned. ??
Give it a year or so and the bootloaders will be unlockable.
I think a good amount of the posting is to "ruffle the feathers."
It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
If you want development on a phone that has flagship-like specs (good screen, latest snapdragon, above average camera) there isn't much selection in the USA. It's this or a Pixel or buy something abroad (e.g. Exynos based Galaxy). Otherwise your out of luck. As long as the bootloader remains easily unlocked and their devices are easily rooted I could care less.
Typical click-bait type of article with the expected response.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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The majority of their customers won't even understand what this means let alone care that OP stopped doing it. The impact it will have on their sales will be a rounding error. Yes, as a percentage of total units sold, OP likely has more customers that root/ROM vs companies like Samsung. However, it looks like they're trying to focus on the main part of the business and not deal with small things that don't drive significant sales. That puts a program like this on the chopping block.
I get why they might do this, however, the only reason I buy OnePlus devices is the development support. So if development dies, I don't buy anymore phones. We have multiple OP phones in the house. I bought the 5T and now the 6T before Lineage was out, sounds like I won't buy anymore devices until ROMs are available just to be certain. The problem with that is with the short development cycle by the time that happens OP maybe onto the next device...
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It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
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This is a very valid point.
threatening to not buy devices because of lack of development is like spitting into a hurricane; no one will notice, and it wont matter one bit..
once any of the enthusiast companies start to get large sales volume, and smell corporate business, their willingness to help enthusiasts of any sort diminishes greatly..If google thought they could land more giant corporate accounts by locking down the pixel phones like samsung did, they would do it in a minute..follow the money is what all my friends tell me now a days, and they are right..
You can be as outraged as you want to over OP deciding to drop "free" anything to developers; its not going to effect any change of any sort, so you might as well save your outrage for something else..sooner or later, all bootloaders will be locked, and you wont have any better choices..
Did everyone see the update from OnePlus?
“Apologies, we weren’t as clear as we could have been. We’ve temporarily scaled back our developer program while we work out how to make it even better in the future. We’ll be updating the selection criteria and communication channels with developers in our seeding program for better co-operation. We will restart the program and select Devs based on the new criteria and will work on providing the best possible support to community development efforts for OnePlus devices.” – OnePlus Spokesperson
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