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Do you think Android would be so big if iPhone wasn't exclusive to AT&T

I had this thought the other day about how I used to long for an iPhone while on Sprint. I remember all these people rushing over to AT&T to get the iPhone and I really wanted the iPhone as well, but I had such a good SERO plan with Sprint that I couldn't make that switch. Plus I enjoyed being able to make a call here and there
But I'm thinking, if iPhone came to all carriers right out of the gate, most people would have had the iPhone already when Android came out and people wouldn't have been clamoring for an iPhone-like competitor.
So my personal thought is that Apple screwed themselves royally by going exclusive with AT&T and if they had gone to all carriers, we would only have a single monopolistic smart phone instead of 2.
Not to say that android might not still have happened, but they pretty much did what iPhone didn't. They said.. screw exclusivity.. we will go everywhere.. and it has paid off, allowing them to grow very quickly while Apple had no choice but to sit idly by.
You'll have to ignore the intial reaction of being able to develop more with android because it is more open... . we may not have reached this potential of development if we never gave android the chance intially because we already had iphones

ive been with at&t 4ever and i never have an iphone and have had a few phones since it came out then android came and ill never look back

Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon? Verizon is THE largest cellular network in the US, at the moment. The Verizon iPhone may have put a dent into Android sales, but I've yet to see any articles saying that Android market share is doing anything but increasing. Sprint is a distant third. If the iPhone were available on Sprint, I'm sure it would sell well, but its dent to Android market share would be much less than Verizon.

I don't agree with your post. There are many people that I know of (even the poster above stated this) that are on AT&T and would not even look at an iDevice. When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either. Arguments about people stuck in contracts and family plans don't really count because if iDevices were the only real choice, people would do whatever it takes to get one. However, that is just not the case. Android is a viable competitor to Apple and in many ways superior IMHO.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.

GnatGoSplat said:
Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon?
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Babydoll25 said:
When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice back then are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. Because they had BB or just wanted a simple phone. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally. I guess my focus is more USA than others. I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Speak my man!
Well,first off,the iPhone isn't carrier exclusive everywhere.Here in Europe there are many many people who don't want to be bound to one carrier for their phone purchases and buy phones SIM-FREE.Plus,even those with contracts(I think Vodafone has the iPhone?It does here in Greece anyway)don't buy this many iPhones.
At first I thought that it was just because the smartphone market in Greece isn't all that grown.Then,I was on a trip to the UK,where all of a sudden I stopped seeing crap-phones that can only make calls and send texts(Some of them even have cameras though! ).Smartphones all around.But iPhones were MUCH less common than I thought.Many Blackberry's were wandering around(not on their own obviously! ),many HTCs(98% of which were Android phones),Samsungs etc(Android phones in General) and many iPhones.But not nearly as many as the other two.
That might have been my power of observation and things may be different,but that's what I saw.

I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.

I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Exactamundo

DssTrainer said:
You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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I still don't think so. People get bored. I owned an iPhone before I ever got an Android phone. I still like the iPhone, my wife is sick of it and prefers Android. Lots of Android owners came from iPhone. As long as Apple maintains the monopoly on iOS and keeps it closed, competitors would continue to assault it with a barrage of competition, some of which (like Android) are quite good and would have gained traction. So I think even if Apple supported more than one carrier back then, it would have little impact on how things would be today. I think it's the exclusivity to Apple that has allowed Android to be successful, not so much carrier exclusivity. There are many companies making mobile phones, such as HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. They would have continued to attempt to make an "iPhone killer" no matter what carriers carried the iPhone.
Long, long ago, there was a time when almost everyone who had a computer at home, had an Apple computer. Apple dominated the consumer market with their Apple II series, and made serious inroads into business and publishing with the Mac. However, it was Apple's brand exclusivity that allowed the IBM PC to dominate. IBM didn't fight the clones, and eventually, every company except Apple started making x86 PCs running Microsoft OS.

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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Well of course not..
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souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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+1...LOL
I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Agreed, Verizon helped Android to get success in US, but Android is popular because its open source...and anybody with little programming knowledge and guts to ruin his phone can make android phone awesome and as they want...which you cant do with iphone...even if u jail break it...pure independence is what made android so popular...other factors like different hardware options and ability to port almost everything you see in other phones....Google's awesome work and innovative way to kill competitors....I can write an essay on android lol...
Also, IMO one of the major factor is HTC launching new phone every month...I cant believe how many phones HTC has launched in last 6 months...now every carrier is US has HTC phone with almost same hardware and software.....they just luanch it without thinking lol...
Samsung has taken better way of promoting android with launching new devices with something new and specialty like SAMOLED screens etc...similarly Motorola is doing good....

DssTrainer said:
True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally.
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That statement falls somewhere between untrue and irrelevant.
At the very top end, Nokia have basically no market presence and things are only a wee bit better in the mid-range.
The only area Nokia is doing well in is the ultra-cheap range, not smartphones, so that has no bearing on a thread on the topic of the popularity of Android and the effect of iOS on that.
DssTrainer said:
I guess my focus is more USA than others.
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Well, you never said that and even if you had, the popularity of Android is not limited to the US - even within it's own bubble, the US market is not impervious to outside influences.
DssTrainer said:
I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Nope, that would never have happened - unlike Symbian, Android is actually a very OS.
So even if it hadn't been given the initial push from Verizon, it would still have ended up just as popular, it just might've taken a bit longer is all.
But no matter how things had unfolded in the US, there's just too much innovation with Android for it to have ever been left behind.
fleurdelisxliv said:
all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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Yeah but we have proper sports

Yeah but we have proper sports [/QUOTE]
NFL still the best takes a beast to play

All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...

I believe that's the point of off-topic
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-

Step666 said:
All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2

twitch153 said:
I believe that's the point of off-topic
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Hmm, it seems this thread has been moved then - it was in the 'General' section when I first posted...
fleurdelisxliv said:
lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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Fair dos.
I've tried watching American Football but I just can't stay interested in it, it seems to take so long...

China's HUGE "ghost cities"

http://goo.gl/3hse5
My dad showed me these pictures and stories this morning, I thought it was very interesting. Nobody knows why China is building these gigantic empty cities. They aren't just building them in China either, one in Africa is designed to hold up to a half million people and features 750 eight-story apartment buildings, 12 schools and more than 100 retail units. This one ghost city cost $3.5 billion and covers 12,355 acres. Apparently China is building 20 of these cities a year, and nobody really knows why.
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Some speculation that I have read is that China has always been known to be very patient, and that they dont plan by the year or decade but by the generation. Apparently they are told that if they work hard their grandchildren will reap the benefits of their labor. Could they be planning on lifting the one child ban? If so, speculation suggest their population could quadruple in one generation. But why cities in Africa? This is all new to me and very confusing. Anybody else seen this or want to speculate?

These cities are for Aliens, like these: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:
EDIT: And I have a feeling that this thread will be closed :trollface:

vaderx10minipro said:
These cities are for Aliens, like these: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops:
EDIT: And I have a feeling that this thread will be closed :trollface:
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Why would the thread be closed? This is an off topic discussion of the ghost cities with hopefully some critical thinking and speculation as to their purpose. Where I live people are so ethnocentric that nobody has even heard of them, I was hoping by asking a broad audience that maybe someone has heard something that I haven't. I think its very interesting. If threads about "rooting toasters" and "taking over Australia" can stay open I dont see why a serious thread with plenty of potential for discussion should be closed. Besides this IS off topic, I was told by mods that just about anything goes here with the exception of the F word.
Also those are Cyclopes, or mutants, but not aliens. Haven't you seen Futurama? lol.

WiredPirate said:
Why would the thread be closed? This is an off topic discussion of the ghost cities with hopefully some critical thinking and speculation as to their purpose. Where I live people are so ethnocentric that nobody has even heard of them, I was hoping by asking a broad audience that maybe someone has heard something that I haven't. I think its very interesting. If threads about "rooting toasters" and "taking over Australia" can stay open I dont see why a serious thread with plenty of potential for discussion should be closed. Besides this IS off topic, I was told by mods that just about anything goes here with the exception of the F word.
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I'm definately interested....I'm gonna do some reading before I comment though. Definatly intriguing.
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I'm definately interested....I'm gonna do some reading before I comment though. Definatly intriguing.
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This. ^^^
I will be back once I've done some research. This is extremely intriguing. Thanks to the OP for posting this.
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I'm thinking China wants to show to the world they have the workforce to build something great, and these cities would detract from the farm lands and poverty in China. One day some one might move in there.
this reminds me of a city built near the 38th parallel in North Korea. It was built to looks lik another city there, but its empty and they have speakers announcing "good" propaganda loud enough for the South Koreans to hear on the border.

I thought about these and posted when I saw the pictures of the city in the images thread. But that turned out to be an old Russian Ghetto.
Speculation of these ghost cities is widespread. I do know one thing, the massive building campaign in the past has caused a shortage of both concrete and steel world wide.
A few winters ago, steel was so crazy in price that some factories would not take and order at a specified price. They would take the order and quote a price to the customer when the product was available to ship. This was in winter stoves.
Like I said there are several theories for these buildings. Places for people to move off the farms.
Personally I think they are for us Americans. China is going to call in the debt that we owe them and we citizens will have to go into indentured servitude. LOL J/K.... Really Obama has sold many citizens to China as part of the New World Order.
Actually, the most prevalent theory is that China has so much extra cash they are simply investing in infrastructure. They can always find occupants. There are billions of those little ****ers over there.
And it wouldn't be the first time a country built buildings without actual occupants. Saudi Arabia built the Khobar Towers complex for housing of the Bedouins. The tent people would not move in to them. Rumor has it they didn't like living below someone else. A whole cultural thing having to do with the unclenliness of the bottom of feet. May be bull****. Don't know. But they do have a feet thing in that part of the world. And the apartment complexes were gorgeous. Marble everywhere. I lived in one for several months when the complexes were used for housing the US military during Desert Storm.

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Interesting. But they sure ain't building 'em for nothing. Might have something to do with power plants(building cities for workers, just like Chernobyl), or just new cities that will be "opened" later.
E: 85Gallon made a good point. Maybe they are investing money in physical structures, since money's price is decreasing all the time, but estates prices aren't...
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I agree that the cities could be a good investment for them. I've also been reading that China is profiting by extracting natural resources from these lands and shipping them back home. And also that by building in these other countries, China is also nurturing better relationships with other governments and their citizens in the process and providing jobs. China looks to be stepping it up to (if they aren't already) become a/the world power.

Obviously they're for shelter after the aliens wipe out all inhabited cities. The Chinese knew all along... :silly:
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http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/07/huge_scale_mode.html
Hmmm this is strange. Probably totally unrelated.. China has a scale model of the mountain range they share with India.

prototype7 said:
Obviously they're for shelter after the aliens wipe out all inhabited cities. The Chinese knew all along... :silly:
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I was thinking it's a shelter for the time when The Virus is unleashed, and zombies are everywhere. Now there are "chosen ones" that will live on those cities all around China, and after every living person is dead, they will start reproducing, and China will conquer the earth, and become the real super power. Of course the Virus is created by Chinese government.
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I was thinking it's a shelter for the time when The Virus is unleashed, and zombies are everywhere. Now there are "chosen ones" that will live on those cities all around China, and after every living person is dead, they will start reproducing, and China will conquer the earth, and become the real super power. Of course the Virus is created by Chinese government.
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Also a possibility... *puts on tin foil hat*
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YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG!
china wants to unleash horror to the world through Apple's Sh*t
all ipads, iphones, ipods and all ish*ts will kill all humans!!!!
most of apple's products are produced by china, they knew it all along!
and the safest place on earth would be china

So, after reading up on the subject a little. I wonder if it's to create jobs and foreign (trade) relations since at least one of these "cities" has been built on the African Continent??
Whatever the reason, these "ghost cities" are fascinating.
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deathnotice01 said:
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG!
china wants to unleash horror to the world through Apple's Sh*t
all ipads, iphones, ipods and all ish*ts will kill all humans!!!!
most of apple's products are produced by china, they knew it all along!
and the safest place on earth would be china
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Most of the Android tablets are made in China too...
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m1l4droid said:
That news is ancient.
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I know the mountain is old news but I had never heard about it until talking to one of my friends about the cities and they mentioned it to me.. I thought it was kind of cool.
Babydoll25 said:
So, after reading up on the subject a little. I wonder if it's to create jobs (and foreign (trade) relations since at least one of these "cities" has been built on the African Continent??
Whatever the reason, these "ghost cities" are fascinating.
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That does kind of seem to be the case, at least partially. I think there are some great ideas here, thanks everybody. And agreed, very interesting.

the ghost citys are crazy i have been reading about them for awhile i feel wierd just looking at them lol!
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Interesting find. Would be awesome if like one guy owned and lived in the city by himself lol.

Another reason to love Google!

Check it out guys...
Google Launches Gay Rights Campaign ‘Legalize Love’
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Google wants to further gay rights across the world, launching a new campaign called “Legalize Love” on Saturday.
The tech giant hopes to advance marriage rights for gay, lesbian and bisexual people in countries where it has offices, beginning in Poland and Singapore.
Google exec Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe introduced the campaign at the Global LGBT Workplace Summit in London, reports dot429.
“We want our employees who are gay or lesbian or transgender to have the same experience outside the office as they do in the office,” Palmer-Edgecumbe said. “It is obviously a very ambitious piece of work.”
Google plans to develop relationships between companies and support grass-roots campaigning. Legalize Love will focus primarily on countries with homophobic laws and cultures.
“‘Legalize Love’ is a campaign to promote safer conditions for gay and lesbian people inside and outside the office in countries with anti-gay laws on the books,” Google wrote in a statement.
Palmer-Edgecumbe says Google is beginning the push in Singapore because the country is striving to be a global financial leader.
This is hardly Google’s first step toward advancing gay rights. Last month, during international Gay Pride celebrations, the search tool released a charming Easter egg. In a 2008 blog post written by co-founder Sergey Brin, Google also publicly expressed its opposition to California’s Prop. 8, the state constitutional amendment that took away the right of same-sex couples to marry.​
The story is from here: http://mashable.com/2012/07/08/google-gay-legalize-love/

I like this much better than their "It gets better" campaign geared towards gay teenagers and/or high schoolers. I think it would have been better for that campaign if they would have focused on ALL teenagers or high schoolers and not just the gay ones. A good portion of high schoolers have depression and suicide issues, my teenage cousin hung herself a few years back, and I have had other acquaintances kill themselves. Everybody needs the "it gets better" message, they should have included all teenagers regardless of sexual preference. As far as this campaign I support it. Legalize love!

I can't wait for the inevitable "BOYCOTT GOOGLE!!!!!11!!!1!" posts. Have using yahoo or whatever janky search engine.

I honestly don't think that I could care less. Personally I say just let them do what they want. I am so sick of having this gay rights crap shoved down my throat. Mostly because I'm straight and don't like things shoved down my throat. So just legalize it so that they will shut the hell up.

Mod edit: Offensive and childish comment removed. Post something like that again and I'll have words in private with you.

063_XOBX said:
I can't wait for the inevitable "BOYCOTT GOOGLE!!!!!11!!!1!" posts. Have using yahoo or whatever janky search engine.
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Those people will also have to boycott these companies:
Allstate
Amazon
American Airlines
Apple
Applebee's
Best Buy
Clorox
Coca-Cola
Costco
Delta Airlines
Ford
Gap
General Motors
Gerber Baby Products
Hilton Hotels
Home Depot
IMB
Levi's
Marriot International
McDonald's
Microsoft
Nationwide
Nike
Olive Garden
Pepsico
Proctor and Gamble
Red Lobster
Rite Aid
Sears
Southwest Airlines
Starbucks
State Farm
Target
United Airlines
UPS
Walgreens
Walt Disney Company

Absolutely lovely to hear!
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Im still pissed off at google for sensoring searches for firearms related items.
Im also not happy with apple but i run android on my tablet and use an iphone, both rooted/jailbroken of course.
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WiredPirate said:
I like this much better than their "It gets better" campaign geared towards gay teenagers and/or high schoolers. I think it would have been better for that campaign if they would have focused on ALL teenagers or high schoolers and not just the gay ones. A good portion of high schoolers have depression and suicide issues, my teenage cousin hung herself a few years back, and I have had other acquaintances kill themselves. Everybody needs the "it gets better" message, they should have included all teenagers regardless of sexual preference. As far as this campaign I support it. Legalize love!
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It Gets Better works very closely with STOP Teen Suicide and while they don't directly associate their campaigns and products with them, the two pretty much go hand in hand.
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deerhurst said:
Im still pissed off at google for sensoring searches for firearms related items.
Im also not happy with apple but i run android on my tablet and use an iphone, both rooted/jailbroken of course.
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I had not heard about that, that doesn't make me happy at all, I am very pro-firearm.
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It Gets Better works very closely with STOP Teen Suicide and while they don't directly associate their campaigns and products with them, the two pretty much go hand in hand.
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I was not aware of that, I wish they would have directly associated the two campaigns.

StormMcCloud said:
I honestly don't think that I could care less. Personally I say just let them do what they want. I am so sick of having this gay rights crap shoved down my throat. Mostly because I'm straight and don't like things shoved down my throat. So just legalize it so that they will shut the hell up.
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StormMcCloud said:
I honestly don't think that I could care less. Personally I say just let them do what they want. I am so sick of having this gay rights crap shoved down my throat. Mostly because I'm straight and don't like things shoved down my throat. So just legalize it so that they will shut the hell up.
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+1
No one cares which way you swing and all this nonsense about pro-gay societies/groups is getting really old...
Pin it to Win it.

deerhurst said:
Im still pissed off at google for sensoring searches for firearms related items.
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I am still extremely mad at Google for that as well....just not mad enough to use bing or yahoo...lol.

StormMcCloud said:
I am still extremely mad at Google for that as well....just not mad enough to use bing or yahoo...lol.
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They only censored them in their shopping results.
From google on things not allowed in shopping results (ie Google Shopping).....
Affiliates, cataloged drop-shipping programs, and multi-level marketing
The promotion of affiliate or pay-per-click links, products sold through a commission-based relationship, or sites that bulk list products fulfilled through drop-ship consolidators is not allowed. This includes item pages that are made up almost entirely of advertisements, or pages where advertisements obstruct the view of the submitted product. The promotion of multi-level marketing (MLM) business products is also not permitted, such as businesses that recruit members and offer them rewards for recruiting others and/or selling services
Services
Services are not allowed on Google Shopping.
Examples of listings disallowed:
•Event tickets
•Subscriptions, such as magazine subscriptions or any kind of service subscription.
•Online courses
Other prohibited categories
The following products are not allowed on Google Shopping:
•Vehicles
•Guns, ammunition and knives
•Tobacco and cigarettes
•Traffic devices (Learn more)
•Products related to casino and gambling
•Products or digital goods that require additional software installation in order to be purchased.
•Products bundled with service plans. (Note: The only products that are allowed to be submitted with a service plan are mobile devices.)
Marketplaces, Marketplace sellers and Aggregators
EDIT: Left this out by mistake.....
Family status
Google assigns a family status to all products to make sure that content is shown to an appropriate audience. All products must be "family safe". All products in the "non-family safe" or "adult" categories are not allowed on Google Shopping.
For example, the following products are non-family safe or adult:
•Adult sexual products and content (including product images and/or landing pages containing nudity or adult sexual content)
•Alcohol
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Hmm...Well at least Google is very open.

Apple Won :(

I can't believe this...
Apple has WON BIG in the Apple/Samsung IP lawsuit. The judge basically gave everything Apple wanted. Samsung was found to be infringing several of Apple's patents and designs. In addition, Samsung now has to pay Apple over $1 Billion. Samsung lost completely. Apple was found to be infringing ZERO ZERO ZERO patents of Samsung which is quite surprising.
It gets worse though.. Samsung (and probally every Android maker soon) will now have to pay Licensing Fees to Apple which would result in higher prices for Android. However, Apple could decide not to License their technology which would mean that Android would have to be stripped of many of its best features.
Source:
Apple won Big

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The U.S really needs some better judges and EYES TOO.
Samsung's phone look NOTHING like Apple's iPhone.

without prejudice and bias samsung SGS2 does look like a larger iphone,
i'm an android fan and will never have a apple device except my former iphone 2g,
but just look at it

Yup, just look at this:
But the main problem here is the patent system. Not Apple's or Samsung's. Why on earth did they grant Apple these obvious patents like bounce and pinch to zoom? It's a [email protected] joke.

Whatevs, apple is supposed to be the Hallmark of capitalism in America, yet apple tries to hamper it's competition by throwing random lawsuits about what should be basic smart phone functions, and yes the iPhone is a smart phone, and Mac computers are computers, Cuz I know all lot of Mac owners think their electronic devices are some ordained object thrown down by God from the heavens and their device cannot be categorized under the names of other electronic devices, silly
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I like what one of Samsung's lawyers said as some point during the case...
"How can you hold a patent on a rectangular device with rounded corners?"
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From a patent attorney on another forum.
"This case will absolutely be tossed out on appeal. in their infinite wisdom, samsung's attorneys didn't bother to challenge apple's patents on the basis of not being directed to statutory subject matter. (oh, hi, forgot to mention, most simple software patents, the kind you hate, are now actually no longer patentable due to some recent cases).
The CAFC (patent appeal court) will raise the issue, toss out apple's patents."
This case is far from over. This will continue for many years to come. Nothing is decided yet, even with this verdict.
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Adauth said:
From a patent attorney on another forum.
"This case will absolutely be tossed out on appeal. in their infinite wisdom, samsung's attorneys didn't bother to challenge apple's patents on the basis of not being directed to statutory subject matter. (oh, hi, forgot to mention, most simple software patents, the kind you hate, are now actually no longer patentable due to some recent cases).
The CAFC (patent appeal court) will raise the issue, toss out apple's patents."
This case is far from over. This will continue for many years to come. Nothing is decided yet, even with this verdict.
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Please post the source.
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Actually, its not over yet..
Apple and Samsung are due in court again in 2014.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I like what one of Samsung's lawyers said as some point during the case...
"How can you hold a patent on a rectangular device with rounded corners?"
Sent from your mom.
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The thing is though, the Jury isn't there to judge the merit of the patents in question, just whether they have been infringed. These kinds of arguments come up a lot in "Jury Nullification" but for the most part the Jury was almost certainly told not to judge anything but whether the "patents" have been infringed upon.

Ok, but there is also the same court case in Korea, in which Samsung won, and Apple has to pay them for patent infringement. It really rises the question if this is really important or are they (both) trying to prove a stupid point?
Of course everyone uses ideas from other people but change it and imporve upon it (just like most of our ROMs are actually stock ROMs and we build upon them). I am against blatant copies but there has to be drawn a line beacuse what next? I won't be able buy a phone that isn't Apple's, because no one can use a candybar form of a phone?

063_XOBX said:
The thing is though, the Jury isn't there to judge the merit of the patents in question, just whether they have been infringed. These kinds of arguments come up a lot in "Jury Nullification" but for the most part the Jury was almost certainly told not to judge anything but whether the "patents" have been infringed upon.
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Ive read that they were to judge if the patents were legitimate, and if so, were they willingly infringed.

major_stitch said:
Ok, but there is also the same court case in Korea, in which Samsung won, and Apple has to pay them for patent infringement. It really rises the question if this is really important or are they (both) trying to prove a stupid point?
Of course everyone uses ideas from other people but change it and imporve upon it (just like most of our ROMs are actually stock ROMs and we build upon them). I am against blatant copies but there has to be drawn a line beacuse what next? I won't be able buy a phone that isn't Apple's, because no one can use a candybar form of a phone?
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Funny how Apple isn't going after counterfeiters but rather an innovative company..
Oh wait... thats because Samsung can actually take away Apple's thunder... !!

So...... if apple won Sammy get banned from specific countries, right? Or around the world? and my galaxy tab I'm using to send this thing will........
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Well according to crApple
'It took us 5 years to design the iPhone and Samsung stole it in just 5 minutes..'
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Article Quote: A huge chunk of Samsung's Android devices have been illegally copying Apple's bounce back scrolling and gestures.
HOLY PEWP! VANILLA IS IN DANGER, just like.... MOST OF ANDROID DEVICES!
Didnt HTC get sued by Apple because Their Messaging app converted links so that you can click them? Apple is probably bribing judges.

Quick hoard all dem android before apple taxes em!
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this is why apple should be ashamed of themselves..
it looks like Samsung released rectangular phones with round edges BEFORE crApple released their iSh*t.. i mean iPhone. sorry, damn auto correct!

saywhatt said:
this is why apple should be ashamed of themselves..
it looks like Samsung released rectangular phones with round edges BEFORE crApple released their iSh*t.. i mean iPhone. sorry, damn auto correct!
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*SHOCK* make a petition to apple :what:
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Samsung is Evil

I stood behind Samsung when Apple bringing unjust charges on against them. I thought Samsung was the defender of Android and the truth but I was WRONG.
Recently, I learned that Samsung promised to take a blogger to the IFA as an independent reporter. This means that the blogger could basically cover whatever he wanted. However, Samsung LIED to him. He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
They even told him that if he doesn't do what he is told then Samsung will leave him in this foreign country. EVIL!!!
Don't believe me? Take a look at the source:
Samsung is Evil

Scratch that. It's definitely true, however,
Behavior such as Samsung’s is not uncommon in the world of tech coverage. It’s perhaps considered more normal in some parts of the world, but even we here at TNW are regularly offered to have our travel and accommodations covered in hopes that we’ll write about a specific brand during our overall coverage of an event.
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And that's from the site the blogger is from.
Article here.

Nothing true about that noy a single facts pretty sure it was written by some isheep in hopes that it would make appke look less of a monster.
Use some common sense next time please though i suspect we both knew this was bs lol dumb isheep.
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That article is posted by you. Nobody is going to believe you until you provide a link to a reputable source.

063_XOBX said:
Since your source is an article written by somebody called Super2cool (sounds familiar?) I'm gonna just call this trolling.
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Its not trolling.. its posted all over the web.
Don't be in blind trust of a corporation... They are not humans.
Take a look here if you don't believe me:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/

Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]

MissionImprobable said:
Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]
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Ok I guess did exaggerate a bit!
However, it is still unacceptable for Samsung to lie to him and then threaten him to leave him in Berlin where the IFA was hosted.

Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.

063_XOBX said:
Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.
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It seemed too good to be true.. but still Samsung should have been more clear of what they expected from the blogger.

This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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LordManhattan said:
This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)

Super2cool said:
Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)
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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.

063_XOBX said:
What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.
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Well.. its cause its not what he was expecting. He did not get to review the IFA. He was just showing Samsung products to the press... under a threat.
What I am asking is that...
Is it wrong to expect Samsung to tell him straight up.."we want you to show off our products..not review the IFA"?
Instead..Samsung lied to him.

I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying
You can either be a part of this and wear the uniform, or you’ll have to get your own tickets back home and handle your hotel stay from the moment this call ends
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It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.

063_XOBX said:
I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying .
It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.
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He actually wasn't able to review what happened that day..
“None of this should leave Berlin. Or Reach India”
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Super2cool said:
He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
EVIL!!!
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Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..

King ACE said:
Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..
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lol @ Apple is very honest
How does Samsung lying help customers?
I am sorry but you guys need to realize what Samsung did was evil and they should be punished (I doubt this will happen)

Why would Samsung even fly bloggers for free? They're a company, a business. Of course it will benefit them, they will make it benefit them in some ways even if it is a little unethical. So in this way, all mobile phone manufacturers are evil? :/

I'm not sure what you thought it would be like. Vacation with free alcohol and prostitutes? No, you were brought in to do a job, and you failed big time. I would fire you on the spot.
Let's break it down:
- Samsung offers you a job as a promoter
- You accept it
- They cover the hotel and travel costs, which is a lot of money
- You refuse to do the job
- You want them to cover the flight home, which is a lot of money
I'm not sure you know what a promoter is or does. A promoter promotes a company's products. NOT reviewing and promoting the competitors' products. Also, Samsung took its time to hire you and on top of that spend money on you. Then you quit. You're the jerk here, not Samsung.
Not sure what part of Narnia you're from, but this is the real world. Welcome.