As outlined by Droid dev Steven Bird: http://stevenbird.info/2010/07/10/the-droidx-security-and-discovery/
I know absolutely nothing about Android development, but here's hoping that another dev here can make sense of it.
I love the confidence.
Even worse news: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html
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Even worse news: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html
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An "efuse" hardware chip? Wow Motorola!
I like the screen of the droid x, I like the size, but there is no way I could in good conscience buy this phone. Motorola has just slapped the dev community in the face.
Even Iphone doesn't have this BS , i guess Motorola one upped apple by kicking customers twice in the balls.
couldn't they run into some legal issues with this efuse method?
what about women?
ghost77 said:
Even Iphone doesn't have this BS , i guess Motorola one upped apple by kicking customers twice in the balls.
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What we need to do is setup a site called "WeWant2RootDroidX.com" and make all tech blogs in the world link to it.
Well, just an idea.
zedomax said:
What we need to do is setup a site called "WeWant2RootDroidX.com" and make all tech blogs in the world link to it.
Well, just an idea.
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i like it. Lets really get people to notice that Motorola is really screwing with our "Open Source" phones
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What we need to do is setup a site called "WeWant2RootDroidX.com" and make all tech blogs in the world link to it.
Well, just an idea.
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Done deal. Give DNS a few hours to propagate and it's live!
The Droid X is already rooted though. The bootloader is what everyone is concerned about.
E30kid said:
The Droid X is already rooted though. The bootloader is what everyone is concerned about.
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Link to news of root?
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...-the-droid-x-may-not-lead-to-a-bricked-phone/
Apparently the original Droid has the same "eFuse". I think we need to reserve judgement until we find out if Moto is utilizing it or not. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's in use.
I was about to say the same thing, this chip is nothing new and doesn't stop you from rooting, get real, they even advertised the ability to root this phone in their ads
cyberhedz said:
I was about to say the same thing, this chip is nothing new and doesn't stop you from rooting, get real, they even advertised the ability to root this phone in their ads
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I don't know if I've seen an ad talking about root, but...
I talked to a device tester today and apparently there is something VERY different about the Droid X bootloader. They had VERY specific instructions from Moto that if the bootloader (MBM) didn't match exactly what they required to send the phone back to have the MBM updated. If it wasn't it would corrupt the phone.
Not sure if this is the same as the "eFuse", but should be interesting to see what happens the first time someone tries to mess with the bootloader.
Sorry for any misunderstanding. I dont have anything that works.
LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
I have an X and rooting files(I wont say what they are) ready to go, but you know what? Im not gonna be the first person to try this. Im sure someone out there will take the leap off of the proverbial cliff for us. Lets just hope moto didnt cut that persons parachute strings!
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Send them, I will help, i will be in irc, #DroidXRoot
Wow
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Done deal. Give DNS a few hours to propagate and it's live!
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Wow, that was quick!
i hear a lawsuit coming
Legion, Where are you?
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Here's how to get into bootloader for those of you who are trying to root it, will save you 10 minutes:
Press power WHILE holding down the camera button and volume down button.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r6q9Foom1o
Does this even matter if you can't get into Recovery from the Bootloader and can't write to system?
well
the problem is, we need to somehow get a rooted update.zip file into the Droid x, I am not such a big hacker on that but I have tried to get my Verizon rep to get me some contacts with Motorola, trying to persuade them this will sell more phones if people can "root" the phone. Seriously, I m trying my best here so hopefully we geet a rooted Droid x soon.
Yeah I want it rooted that's the only thing holding me back. I love the fast gpu it has.
well they have a podcast coming up and u can ask a question
since I'm a new user. can't post the link developer
motorola.com /eventstraining/ droidx/
AllDroid is holding a giveaway for developers who'll work on rooting/making custom roms for the Droid X: http://alldroid.org/tabid/62/g/post...e-a-Motorola-Droid-X-Developer-give-away.aspx
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AllDroid is holding a giveaway for developers who'll work on rooting/making custom roms for the Droid X: http://alldroid.org/tabid/62/g/post...e-a-Motorola-Droid-X-Developer-give-away.aspx
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it says you win a droid x, not develop for a droid x.
it's just voting for your favorite developer.
generic.imitation said:
it says you win a droid x, not develop for a droid x.
it's just voting for your favorite developer.
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Point taken, but I'd hope that the dev who wins the phone will at least try to develop for it.
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Has anyone tried the update.zip method that has been done on the Nexus One, Droid Incredible, etc...?
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They will. No matter what, its a good situation for a DEV.
LOL it's going to take A LOT more then a simple udate.zip to root this phone. unless we do get a signed test ROM leaked. but right now i am more worried about getting an unlocked bootloader. who knows tho maybe we can use RSD also to get some access to it. i hope someone can whip up a sbf file with a unlocked bootloader on it.
The problem
The problem is that there's not even an option under bootloader to update the Droid X with an update.zip file.
But rest assured, I am sure someone will get it done, look at the Droid and Droid Incredible, they have both been rooted!
We need some kind of community team that can tell Verizon that they will actually make more money if they let people hack it. seriously, they will caz more people will buy the Droid X if they can hack it.
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We need some kind of community team that can tell Verizon that they will actually make more money if they let people hack it. seriously, they will caz more people will buy the Droid X if they can hack it.
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Except the signed bootloader was not Verizon's idea... This is coming from Motorola.
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Except the signed bootloader was not Verizon's idea... This is coming from Motorola.
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Yeah, no need to unnecessarily hate on Verizon, I don't think they had anything to do with this.
the way it sounds i wonder if you'll end having to solder a mod-chip in it.
bootloader ver. 27.01
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Except the signed bootloader was not Verizon's idea... This is coming from Motorola.
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Yeah, no need to unnecessarily hate on Verizon, I don't think they had anything to do with this.
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And how do you know this?
Like most things in life, I think the answer is in 'Follow the Money'. Motorola doesn't have as much to gain or lose by locking the phone up this tight.
VZW on the other hand is trying to generate this new revenue stream for Tethering/Wifi Access. A stream that gets obliterated by custom ROMs.
With VZW's history of requiring restrictions on phones (remember all the bluetooth restrictions they used to require on their phones? - hell they got sued over the Moto V710 stuff). I think its very naive to think VZW doesn't have a hand in this.
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Yeah, no need to unnecessarily hate on Verizon, I don't think they had anything to do with this.
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Yeah I don't think Verizon cares. Its T-mo and others that are anal about all this because of the way they get their bandwidth imo.
hmm did you not read the efuse article and what Moto had to say about the addition of the efuse and what it does... They made the hardware/software - verizon had zero say so in that matter - distributor vs retailer
just got off the phone with telus they said 2.2 froyo is in beta right now and that it will come around the same time the droid gets it or shortly after rep said in july
now maybe someone over there would be nice enough to let a leak find its way over here
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just got off the phone with telus they said 2.2 froyo is in beta right now and that it will come around the same time the droid gets it or shortly after rep said in july
now maybe someone over there would be nice enough to let a leak find its way over here
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Don't take their words with anything less than a big pile of salt.
I talked to my area telus rep in person today, he told me that he has no news on the milestone 2.2 update, and he had a LOT of news.
i spoke to tech support so they know more than the reps the reps only know of things through memos tech support test stuff big diff there
Well, i think we should just wait for it, i'm 99% sure it will eventually come... what i'm more worried about is the ginger3.0 update, it seems to be a much bigger deal, improving the UI.
My guess is we will have to hope for those kexec guys to be successful, since i doubt motorola will roll an official update...
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i spoke to tech support so they know more than the reps the reps only know of things through memos tech support test stuff big diff there
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That's what you think. Our rep quotes a 4 digit employee number and has the phone reps eating out of his hands. He's privy to a lot more info than a phone tech I'm sure
well i will see u here back in july and we will see
AND I HOPE SOMEONE CAN FIND A WAY TO BYPASS BOOTLOADER ah crap caps lol
kexec looks like it might do it they have made some progress but u its not stable stupid moto why did u lock it
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That's what you think. Our rep quotes a 4 digit employee number and has the phone reps eating out of his hands. He's privy to a lot more info than a phone tech I'm sure
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hmmm i stll say we get it in july ahhh this is when i miss my htc then i remember the keyboard on my milestone
hmmmm the leak is starting to look real good ..........to be continued
I imagine all the Milestone/Milestone XT7xx carriers got Froyo code drops from Motorola this week for testing, not just Telus. We already know that Verizon is testing it on the Droid.
And yeah, I expect a leaked ROM to come out soon, though the first will probably be for the EMEA phones if I were a betting man.
Well. But. We need to root it!
Apart from the jokes... I'm hoping for a Froyo leak...
suppose to get the leak tonite will keep u posted
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suppose to get the leak tonite will keep u posted
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Get us a leak tonight and I'll change my religion to Gemini002ese.
Nice... will be following the thread until tomorrow
WHERE IS THE LEAK??????
It is tomorrow already. Ha ha, please keep us posted
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crap still waiting gunna go see person later on.....lets just leave it at that for now will post when and if i get it...hate depending on ppl...it is out there though
gemini002 said:
suppose to get the leak tonite will keep u posted
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No offense and I really hope this is true , but honestly one shouldnt post about this unless he is posting the link to the file itself .
gemini002 said:
crap still waiting gunna go see person later on.....lets just leave it at that for now will post when and if i get it...hate depending on ppl...it is out there though
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Well yea
Any news ?
relax, in Ottawa is already 5 AM, maybe all modders are sleepping yet
beju69 said:
relax, in Ottawa is already 5 AM, maybe all modders are sleepping yet
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haha, nice one
Manila is waiting for a leak! Halfway around the world and banking on Gemini here!
I'm putting this out there...regardless of the propsed "will brick itself if rooted" thing floating around...I will personally test any root method, regardless of risk.
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I'm putting this out there...regardless of the propsed "will brick itself if rooted" thing floating around...I will personally test any root method, regardless of risk.
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That is good to know! I think the whole self-destruction thing is blown out of proportion...but I could be wrong.
I'm with you. Anything I can do to help.
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That is good to know! I think the whole self-destruction thing is blown out of proportion...but I could be wrong.
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I agree, but you never know I guess. Anyway, I'm not worried about something happening to my phone..lol.
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I agree, but you never know I guess. Anyway, I'm not worried about something happening to my phone..lol.
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Lol good. It's good to know we have brave devs willing to take on the challenge..not just ranting about how dumb they think the bootloader issue is or how angry they are with it. I would be as voluntary as you if I had the money to risk bricking and replacing my droid x.
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Lol good. It's good to know we have brave devs willing to take on the challenge..not just ranting about how dumb they think the bootloader issue is or how angry they are with it. I would be as voluntary as you if I had the money to risk bricking and replacing my droid x.
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It's all good man..I don't think anyone expects anyone to risk bricking their phone if they can't replace it.
Even if you did brick it, just take it back to Big Red. They will replace it without question within 30 days and just call it DOA. More than half of the people at the stores don't care.... Trust me on this one.
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Aciddrag0n said:
Even if you did brick it, just take it back to Big Red. They will replace it without question within 30 days and just call it DOA. More than half of the people at the stores don't care.... Trust me on this one.
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Also good to know! Thanks!
Efuse will not brick your phone
Motorola says eFuse will not brick your phone, if an alternate unsighed bootloader is loaded, the phone will reboot into recovery until a signed bootloader is loaded.
engadget.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-droid-x-bootloader-controversy-says-efuse/
throwing my name in the hat
I plan on picking up the x this weekend...and more than likely sending it back in 30 days either way. I also have insurance that covers just about anything, so i'm not too worried about them turning me away. Feel free to shoot me a PM or i'll follow this thread if anyone wants to test it out!
Good luck dev's!
Well since installing a custom rom will only send you back to recovery, why not root (when possible of course) and install a custom recovery? Might help get past some of the issue...idk just trying to help.
My phone will be here monday, and we better have custom roms by then or else lol
Meh, you guys realize how many phones Milestone users bricked trying to hack it right? It's not so much there's a self destruct thing as there is that the modding you do could potentially screw up the phone because you ARE messing with a bootloader and trying to get it to sign properly...
It's a tricky thing. As a Milestone user watching this board I have to say.... welcome to our world. It's one thing to say that the DROID and Incredible got hacked and what not, but this is something Milestone fans have been struggling with for like 9 months or so. It's not easy and we still haven't killed it yet. Don't come on here with too much faith as this is pretty much the same encryption scheme. I welcome the help, and perhaps one of you guys will figure it out as it is now a joint battle... but don't be surprised if it doesn't work out because none of us are holding that much hope.
The kexec vulnerability has the best chance and it's not by cracking the bootloader.
What is he kexec vulnerability? And also do you think there would any way we can bruteforce the encryption by doing some sort of a [email protected] type of ordeal?
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evulhotdog said:
What is he kexec vulnerability? And also do you think there would any way we can bruteforce the encryption by doing some sort of a [email protected] type of ordeal?
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Check out www.and-developers.com/motorola_milestone
Why cant someone get the original rom just like the Droid? That way it makes it impossible to brick.
I will offer up mine to testing. If in 30 days I will tell them it just died. After that I will spend the insurance and tell them I dropped in a pool I was surveying.
I as well would risk the recovery menu for testing. its worth it
Just saw this and it looks like a work around to paying $20 but was curious if its legit?
http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/motorola-droid-turbo-6727.html
I wouldn't touch it man. It's even more sketchy that there is a 5.0 rom underneath it when our device doesn't have one. I think this may be labeled turbo but intended for the international version. I'm no dev, but I would not touch this until someone tears apart the apk and gives the green light that it's not bs.
Yea, thats what I was afraid of. Thanks for responding.
we've talked about this before, its a scam site.
look i put nokia 1100 on the site
http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/nokia-1100-6727.html
This thread shouldn't be here. It belongs to Q&A.
This is why developers stop or do not work on making LOCKED PHONES UNLOCKED OR ROOTED. PAY THE $20.00 that is cheap for what you are getting also the work and hours one puts into this. WOW this makes me so mad. This is why I walked away from XDA years ago when I made ROMs for eris,razer and other phones. There is users out there that still try to rip off the only ones willing to help you unlock or root your phone. WOW "I saved $20.0 " man oh man.
Jaocagomez said:
we've talked about this before, its a scam site.
look i put nokia 1100 on the site
http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/nokia-1100-6727.html
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http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/Samsung Omnia-6727.html
adrynalyne said:
http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/Samsung Omnia-6727.html
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Damn, I can rock me some lollipop on my old omnia i9000. This is the best thing evar! I though verizon was going to make me stay on windows 6.1 forever! Thanks soooo much for posting this!
(i actually still have the omnia somewhere lol)
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Damn, I can rock me some lollipop on my old omnia i9000. This is the best thing evar! I though verizon was going to make me stay on windows 6.1 forever! Thanks soooo much for posting this!
(i actually still have the omnia somewhere lol)
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My i910 is in a drawer. I don't have a compatible charger anymore.
adrynalyne said:
My i910 is in a drawer. I don't have a compatible charger anymore.
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i have my omnia too. cracked screen, no battery, and beaten. cant wait for lollipop on it. that could be your best project yet, Adrynalyne!. ba ha ha ha. omnia- the iphone killer. i do miss the mouse pointer/track button, though.
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This is why developers stop or do not work on making LOCKED PHONES UNLOCKED OR ROOTED. PAY THE $20.00 that is cheap for what you are getting also the work and hours one puts into this. WOW this makes me so mad. This is why I walked away from XDA years ago when I made ROMs for eris,razer and other phones. There is users out there that still try to rip off the only ones willing to help you unlock or root your phone. WOW "I saved $20.0 " man oh man.
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Did you even bother looking at the website? He was curious about the legitimacy of the website, not whether it was worth $20 to root your device.
You know what makes me mad? When people jump to conclusions. This is why I rarely us XDA nowadays... so much emotion for a such a small thing.
I want to root at some point but wondering if this security system update will make it more difficult. Most likley since it's a new update nobody might know. Maybe it's been rolling out for a few weeks and someone knows something. Thanks
Edit: I see it's a security patch that I think started rolling out in January or it's a new February one. I still wonder if it will make root more difficult
no, root is still easy. its always the same method
You'll still be able to root after Feb. security update.
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ok thanks =).
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I want to root at some point but wondering if this security system update will make it more difficult. Most likley since it's a new update nobody might know. Maybe it's been rolling out for a few weeks and someone knows something. Thanks
Edit: I see it's a security patch that I think started rolling out in January or it's a new February one. I still wonder if it will make root more difficult
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WTH? This isn't a SAMSUCK phone. This is a NEXUS.
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WTH? This isn't a SAMSUCK phone. This is a NEXUS.
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Yeah, from what I read they will put out monthly security patches or at least that's what the article said. There were some vulnerabilities in Android, all Android
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Yeah, from what I read they will put out monthly security patches or at least that's what the article said. There were some vulnerabilities in Android, all Android
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Do I need to spell it out for you?
NEXUS IS A DEVELOPER'S PHONE. NOT A LOCKED OUT PHONE FOR RETARDS.
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Do I need to spell it out for you?
NEXUS IS A DEVELOPER'S PHONE. NOT A LOCKED OUT PHONE FOR RETARDS.
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I'm with you, we should protest and have a sit in in front of Nexus hehehe. The article was specifically addressing Nexus phones. Or did you not believe there was a patch for our phones? I guess the Nexus is still mildly retarded hehe
hxxp://www.techtimes.com/articles/121547/20160106/january-android-security-patch-for-android-6-0-1-marshmallow-now-live-factory-images-also-available.htm
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Do I need to spell it out for you?
NEXUS IS A DEVELOPER'S PHONE. NOT A LOCKED OUT PHONE FOR RETARDS.
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If a locked out phone is for retards, then who uses an iPhone
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I'm with you, we should protest and have a sit in in front of Nexus hehehe. The article was specifically addressing Nexus phones. Or did you not believe there was a patch for our phones? I guess the Nexus is still mildly retarded hehe
hxxp://www.techtimes.com/articles/121547/20160106/january-android-security-patch-for-android-6-0-1-marshmallow-now-live-factory-images-also-available.htm
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Go buy a samsuck or apple. Better fit for you.
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Go buy a samsuck or apple. Better fit for you.
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hahahahhahahahaha funny cool guy . Considering I've been rooting android for years and never used a iphone or samsuck it's probably not the case but please feel free to mail me yours, sank u buddy. Did the article not spell it out for you that Nexus 6 will be getting patches?? But I don't trust the sytem either man, lets go find that server hosting that site and push it over heheh
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hahahahhahahahaha funny cool guy . Considering I've been rooting android for years and never used a iphone or samsuck it's probably not the case but please feel free to mail me yours, sank u buddy. Did the article not spell it out for you that Nexus 6 will be getting patches?? But I don't trust the sytem either man, lets go find that server hosting that site and push it over heheh
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to answer your question a little better.. why is it easy to unlock the bootloader and root any nexus? its because google decided to give us a gift with the nexus one.. the gift, fastboot oem unlock. google has made any nexus easy to root, for no other reason except its much easier. do you think google will take it away from us? i dont, as thats part of the magic that makes a nexus. actually, they did it because of all the app developers AND modders/rom developrs, so they could use their nexus to make us apps and to improve the whole nexus experience(yes, on occassion google picks code written by our xda developers and adds it into nexus devices). so leaving it easy to root also gives google more coding options. yea, i really dont think googles gonna change that.
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Go buy a samsuck or apple. Better fit for you.
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to answer your question a little better.. why is it easy to unlock the bootloader and root any nexus? its because google decided to give us a gift with the nexus one.. the gift, fastboot oem unlock. google has made any nexus easy to root, for no other reason except its much easier. do you think google will take it away from us? i dont, as thats part of the magic that makes a nexus. actually, they did it because of all the app developers AND modders/rom developrs, so they could use their nexus to make us apps and to improve the whole nexus experience(yes, on occassion google picks code written by our xda developers and adds it into nexus devices). so leaving it easy to root also gives google more coding options. yea, i really dont think googles gonna change that.
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Thanks, yeah I was wondering if it would make it more difficult but knew they would never eliminate it. No point in updating if it's gonna even cause a small extra step but glad it was nothing. I just put on a different rom that took out most of the apps I don't need and says will have better battery life and that seems to be the case. Thanks again
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If a locked out phone is for retards, then who uses an iPhone
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the beauty of open source.