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Hey guys I've never seen why sense or motoblur or other types of overlays of android get the more interactive widgets. I mean froyo gave us some tips And considering that the Gingerbread update expected later this year is supposed to be aimed toward the users interaction with the software (as in google music) do you think we will also be seeing new widgets, that at least scroll , aimed at the user or something to that effect?
As in a contact or bookmark type thing like sense ui or especially some sort of messaging widget or do you think google would just do this through the market like an app for a widget? considering their new idea of ota updates is supposedly coming through the market instead (or even leave it up to the market and developers?)
Just wondering if anyone else is thinking about this as well...I think it would be nifty.
I think gingerbread is going to completely change Android. Probably a combo of the Palm cards.
I'm seriously anticipating Gingerbread and hoping that it is a complete revamping however keeping the Android we know and love...I'm afraid to get too hype though, as I don't want to be let down at all.
Do you think the nexus will receive gingerbread 3.0?
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Do you think the nexus will receive gingerbread 3.0?
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Why wouldn't Google update their developer phone to the latest version? If you are worried over a N2 or something, Gingerbread is supposed to be out late this year, IF they release an N2 it will be in January at the earliest, and even then they will still support the N1 since it's nowhere close to being obsolete
Why are samsung leaking these to test, The FroYo FW must be into a good stage of development by now, I am unsure why we are 'beta testing' this and hoping for FroYo to be released working well straight off the bat,
Do you guys think we will get FroYo releases before it is officially released? I mean all these firmwares we are testing will be made into one that gets officially released.
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Of course we will get a leaked release.
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Of course we will get a leaked release.
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Is there a better community of beta testers than xda-developers?
I'm very happy with all my Samsung mobiles (...,blade, i780, Omnia2, ...) I hope Samsung STEP IN into this community and help us help them
Samsung: let us test your Beta please (We do it for free!)
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Why are samsung leaking these to test, The FroYo FW must be into a good stage of development by now, I am unsure why we are 'beta testing' this and hoping for FroYo to be released working well straight off the bat,
Do you guys think we will get FroYo releases before it is officially released? I mean all these firmwares we are testing will be made into one that gets officially released.
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Don't do that. You got the whole place jumping with excitement thinking that FroYo had been leaked. Your a cruel mean person.
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Don't do that. You got the whole place jumping with excitement thinking that FroYo had been leaked. Your a cruel mean person.
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Agreed you are mean
I nearly fell from chair.
IF they would release thier Froyo as beta to this forum - they could get beta feedback by reading about bugs posted by us AND does not have to deal with the consequences we know how to reflash - "normal" users dont.
So Win Win for both.
Yeah, you really should have titled the thread as a question. As worded, it makes folks think it's actually happened.
LOL at people's hopes being dashed.
there are already alpha versions out, if you check the Xda blogs
Samsung, your turn.
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FROYO
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there are already alpha versions out, if you check the Xda blogs
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Already Alpha versions out :|? What!? Where?
Really? No one as excited about thus as I am?
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Really? No one as excited about thus as I am?
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I fired up a google search and i found a lot of hits about a froyo alpha on a galaxy spica. Maybe some things got mixed up.
Yep, can't find anything about Froyo alphas or leaks for the Galaxy S, just for some of the older Galaxy phones.
I think we Android owners are a fairly impatient bunch.
In the time it's taken for the iPhone to go from 3.0 to 4.0, Android has had:
- 1.6 Donut
- 2.0 / 2.1 Eclair
- 2.2 Froyo
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
Luckily the Galaxy S is the flagship of Samsung which they intend to sell 10 million of, so chances are we'll be seeing good support and the stream of beta firmwares shows they're not sitting still.
Froyo has been confirmed for August in Korea, and most likely September in international markets.
We've got to be patient and remember the Nexus One is still the ONLY Android phone that has received an official Froyo update as of yet. Even the Desire, EVO 4G, Droid, Incredible and Droid X are still on the waiting list.
From the sounds of it August-October will be the time the various handset manufacturers will be rolling out their Froyo updates.
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Yep, can't find anything about Froyo alphas or leaks for the Galaxy S, just for some of the older Galaxy phones.
I think we Android owners are a fairly impatient bunch.
In the time it's taken for the iPhone to go from 3.0 to 4.0, Android has had:
- 1.6 Donut
- 2.0 / 2.1 Eclair
- 2.2 Froyo
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
Luckily the Galaxy S is the flagship of Samsung which they intend to sell 10 million of, so chances are we'll be seeing good support and the stream of beta firmwares shows they're not sitting still.
Froyo has been confirmed for August in Korea, and most likely September in international markets.
We've got to be patient and remember the Nexus One is still the ONLY Android phone that has received an official Froyo update as of yet. Even the Desire, EVO 4G, Droid, Incredible and Droid X are still on the waiting list.
From the sounds of it August-October will be the time the various handset manufacturers will be rolling out their Froyo updates.
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You're absolutely right. However i have a HTC Magic (very old android phone) and i'm running Froyo and it rocks =) hehehe, i know, i know, it's not official
Let's just hope Cyanogen gets one of these Galaxy S and starts porting CMmod to Galaxy S =)
I'm selling my HTC Magic right now to help buying this phone
Cheers,
Phk
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Yep we sure are
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
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Well they don't do themselves any favours by launching a new phone every couple of weeks and insisting on putting their own UI on top of Android.
Looking further afield: anyone think that Samsung will put Gingerbread on this baby?
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Yep we sure are
Well they don't do themselves any favours by launching a new phone every couple of weeks and insisting on putting their own UI on top of Android.
Looking further afield: anyone think that Samsung will put Gingerbread on this baby?
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Possibly but I think I have to go with the sceptic masses here that say samsung support isn't good in longterm and so I guess they won't do that. Unless ofc gingerbread is going to bring the massive UI update that vanilla android so desperately needs for usablity and samsung decides that touchwiy isnt necessary anymore.
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Let's just hope Cyanogen gets one of these Galaxy S and starts porting CMmod to Galaxy S =)
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There are developers assigned to port CyanogenMod to the Vibrant (T-Mobile US version):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Unfortunately, looking at Wes Garner's Twitter, he seems rather more keen on the Slide than the Vibrant:
I like the slide better
@wesgarner so does that mean your gonna keep developing for the slide?
@XJRodzx probably more for it than the vibrant
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So don't know how that's necessarily going to work out. The intention is there, though, anyway - hope it's still in progress!
I have doubts with Gingerbread...from what we know so far, it's supposed to have a (MUCH NEEDED!) UI overhaul based around the Gallery's sexy look.
If a phone is launched with a certain interface, chances are the manufacturer probably wouldn't be keen on releasing an update that changes everything because of the issue with it being different to what the buyer paid for. Basically, it changes the product, and the picture on the box is no longer what you've bought. It's all well and good with something like Eclair to Froyo since it's largely just performance improvements and some new features rather than an overhaul.
If anything, I think Samsung would be more likely to release a new version of the Galaxy S at Gingerbread's launch. Much like it's doubtful the HTC Desire / Evo 4G / Incredible will get Gingerbread updates. Instead, HTC will probably have new devices ready for the new interface.
The Nexus One is the only current device I believe has a chance of Gingerbread, mainly because it's the 'official' Google phone and has been promoted and sold as a developer phone.They'll be wanting some nice apps ready for Gingerbread when it launches which will obviously need to be in development before Gingerbread-equipped phones launch.
now the deisre phone is getting an update for 720 p recoring and such and why cant the nexus get an update with more features????? is this possible will we see such features coming out for our beloved nexus one??? cmon!!
i know we already got 720 with rooted phones but none rooted i mean??
I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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right? i actually might get the htc evo or some other phone because of this reason....dont get me wrong guys nexus is a nice phone but the lack of updates and now basically no one is really selling it means obsolete....sorry...
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I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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really?
the nexus one is still google's dev phone of choice and will be selling it through their dev page.
not to mention that it got froyo before any other device.
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really?
the nexus one is still google's dev phone of choice and will be selling it through their dev page.
not to mention that it got froyo before any other device.
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beside if any the os updates where are the manufacture updates?? htc??? adding radio and such and 720 p and much more??? not been rooted of course??
it is Google Nexus one, not HTC Nexus one. Google is responsible for updates.
Even though they have stopped the retail store, that doesn't mean they stopped supporting the phone.
It will be sold to devs and as far as we know Google will still update as, as it is their flagship device.
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beside if any the os updates where are the manufacture updates?? htc??? adding radio and such and 720 p and much more??? not been rooted of course??
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Google already added a new radio with FroYo. As mentioned, HTC is out of the picture
I believe he meant FM radio
We will get the regular os updates but apparently google wont add features like 720p video or fm radio even though the n1 supports it.
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If you bought a nexus one for support from google shame on you. Its about the developer community and 720p video for nexus one has been around for months on cyanogen's roms.
Not rooting your nexus one is wasting your devices potential. Get another phone if you don't want to root
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If you bought a nexus one for support from google shame on you. Its about the developer community and 720p video for nexus one has been around for months on cyanogen's roms.
Not rooting your nexus one is wasting your devices potential. Get another phone if you don't want to root
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i know it has but all tend to struggle like for example the fm radio still a failure if only we had drivers for such on the nexus one but still no realease and from who?? google??
I didnt buy the n1 for google's support but i atleast thought they would let the phone work at its full potential( fm radio , 720p video, wireless N) Even though google dosent want to support it why not give the developer community a break and atleast give them the drivers and let them implement it. as for not rooting my phone, i dont want to void my warranty with over 10 months remaining in it, I'm not saying i wont root i will root it later on but for now i'll keep it stock for atleast till my warranty is over.
Every loves to rave about how awesome it is to have "vanilla android" on the nexus one.
Well, here we are, this IS vanilla android......and it's not that exciting. Until you see native HD recording* support in AOSP you won't see it on the nexus.
*won't happen soon as it's hardware dependent and not ubiquitous yet, by the time HD video recording on camera phones because run of the mill, well the nexus will be sitting in the same position the g1 is right now.
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I didnt buy the n1 for google's support but i atleast thought they would let the phone work at its full potential( fm radio , 720p video, wireless N) Even though google dosent want to support it why not give the developer community a break and atleast give them the drivers and let them implement it. as for not rooting my phone, i dont want to void my warranty with over 10 months remaining in it, I'm not saying i wont root i will root it later on but for now i'll keep it stock for atleast till my warranty is over.
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There's nothing to "give" developers. Google Nexus team never looked into HD recording support, or FM radio support, that means there's not drivers, no nothing. They're not sitting on safe filled with magical files. The only reason the latest 2.2 update has N driver support is because qualcomm wrote the drivers for a chip that is in nearly every single handheld wifi device.
The desire is currently getting support for 720p video and it has support for fm radio, that technically means we have the necessary drivers to enable fm radio and 720p video recording on nexus one which should have the same quality as the desire. just wondering has anyone actually got the froyo update on the desire and has any dev been able to pull the drivers out the desire software?
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The desire is currently getting support for 720p video and it has support for fm radio, that technically means we have the necessary drivers to enable fm radio and 720p video recording on nexus one which should have the same quality as the desire. just wondering has anyone actually got the froyo update on the desire and has any dev been able to pull the drivers out the desire software?
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HTC manages that stuff for desire.
Googles manages that stuff for nexus.
Different companies, different priorities.
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HTC manages that stuff for desire.
Googles manages that stuff for nexus.
Different companies, different priorities.
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Yeah but hardware wise the devices are identical, so wouldnt the drivers be identical?
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Yeah but hardware wise the devices are identical, so wouldnt the drivers be identical?
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Yes and no, but that's not even the issue. Htc has no incentive to share it's work with google, unless google pays for it, which they have shown they are not interested in. They are competing companies when it comes to selling a retail phone.
Yeah I don’t understand the people that get a nexus one and don’t root.. I honestly feel that’s the whole point of the “dev phone”... If you don’t root, there are many other android phone out there that have superior stock features and hardware.... And froyo is only 1-2 months released earlier on the n1...
Im on a kb2 froyo bought from att are they going to release a GB update or did the S II release kill the initiative
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No one really knows. But Samsung has 2 version of GB that they have been working with. Nothing to do but wait. FYI ATT doesn't have to release it, samsung could release on their site (its a possibility)
In case you guys didn't see this, it's the official announcement from ATT that GB is indeed coming to Captivate. We just don't know exactly when...
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=20407&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32234&mapcode=mobile-devices
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In case you guys didn't see this, it's the official announcement from ATT that GB is indeed coming to Captivate. We just don't know exactly when...
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=20407&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32234&mapcode=mobile-devices
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Yea but took how long for froyo? And with new devices like Galaxy S2 Galaxy Note, so on and forth captivate isnt high on their list.
Is it possible to go into the att store and get the update
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Well, to my understanding, the thread was about IF they were releasing GB. We know that they are. And, yes, I too agree that they GSII is a priority for the company. But I am sure there is some group of people at Samsung and ATT that have the design and release of GB for Captivate a priority. The reason we won't get it for a while (I believe) is because they want us to go buy the new phones instead of getting free updates now.
Froyo took a long time, indeed. But again, I believe that OS upgrades are released at strategic times, not necessarily when they are ready.
I believe I read that Samsung said it will deliver the newest android os for 18 months after devices are sold. So yes they (samsung) will be giving us gingerbread. I would THINK it will be AFTER other phones like the SGS2 are available for a bit. So that also should mean that the SGS2 at least will also see IceCream Sandwich soon enough. Whether the Captivate gets icecream sandwich officially should be the bigger question. I know I read this somewhere on the net that Samsung said this is how they would be doing it from now on, they are trying to keep people happier in the future rather than the bad Rep they got over the froyo fiasco with our devices. I am sure if you did a search on the net you should be able to find those articles somewhere.
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Mid October and no gingerbread news? Anyone have anything new on it?
Yeah, what he said..
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They don't want us to have gb.
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Yes.
Yeah, I'm Homeless.
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Mid October and no gingerbread news? Anyone have anything new on it?
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Patience... It's coming. While I share your anticipation, I figure that it will be worth the wait since the boys here will take it and run with it. Just like the other roms that have been released so far, it's definitely been worth waiting for.
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Yea I'm trying to be patient about it. When I had my droid 2 I was being patient and it never happened. So my patience is running thin. Haha
This reminds me of when I had my HTC eris. It seemed to take forever for 2.1 to come out for it! Mainly because the sense UI had to be completely updated to be compatible. Not sure what the delay is in this case, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
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Clearly it's coming since it's on the esteem and the esteem is essentially the revolution. Should be coming.soon
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Take most rumor dates and add 4 to 6 weeks to them with VZW. I do not expect to see GB much before January or February which I find pointless as ICS could just as easily be configured for the Revo...
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Clearly it's coming since it's on the esteem and the esteem is essentially the revolution. Should be coming.soon
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Yes and no... Esteem built for MPCS and Revo for VZW. Verizon does not necessarily have, want, or need to push GB to this phone. I honestly expect to see the Revo to hit EOL list soon. [sarcasm] It is nearly 6 months old [/sarcasm]
Total speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for the delay
is so that they can find as many ways as possible to lock it down from being rooted. Considering VZW is in the business of CONTROLLING what you can and cannot do (unless you pay then more) with your open source based smart phone. I wouldn't put this past them. :-/
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Might also be that they are waiting until there is a release of the Revo 2 with stock GB (if the rumors are correct) and they dont want people to have reasons not to upgrade to a new product.
I am on MPCS and had the Ascend with stock 2.1 and even though there were rumors of a 2.2 update, it did not happen until after the Ascend 2 came out with 2.2 stock.
Dunno, just a thought....still hope it comes soon for all the Revo people in waiting.
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Might also be that they are waiting until there is a release of the Revo 2 with stock GB (if the rumors are correct) and they dont want people to have reasons not to upgrade to a new product.
I am on MPCS and had the Ascend with stock 2.1 and even though there were rumors of a 2.2 update, it did not happen until after the Ascend 2 came out with 2.2 stock.
Dunno, just a thought....still hope it comes soon for all the Revo people in waiting.
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I don't know about them holding the update until the revo 2 comes out... There's a lot of evidence telling us its coming soon like the posts on the LG site and the picture saying the revo is updateable to 2.3... But you could be right nobody really knows...
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Going to Verizon tomorrow...I will ask I have a goof friend there...maybe he will tell be a little something
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Going to Verizon tomorrow...I will ask I have a goof friend there...maybe he will tell be a little something
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If he works at a store... they are generally last to know anything.
I do not really care anymore at this point. I have decided to wait for February, upgrade one of my other lines and switch to the nexus prime. By February the prime should be out, and updated with fixes and running smooth. It also gives devs sometime to tweak and fiddle. I will then sell my revo.
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If he works at a store... they are generally last to know anything.
I do not really care anymore at this point. I have decided to wait for February, upgrade one of my other lines and switch to the nexus prime. By February the prime should be out, and updated with fixes and running smooth. It also gives devs sometime to tweak and fiddle. I will then sell my revo.
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I love my Android and it's customizing abilities, so don't get me wrong on this statement, but WP7 has been starting to catch my interest. Of course, I have at least another year before I have to think about upgrading, but since I am a MS programmer, the thought of owning one intrigues me.
I have been with Android for years, but the more I read about the troubles developers have with this platform, the less I believe it will ever be a unified architecture. The problem is that they are developing on a Linux base with fragmented (if not non-existent) standards, with several "one off" branches.
What this means for the gaming industry and high end graphics capabilities is that this platform has a strong likelihood of never reaching it's full hardware potential. Reading comments from large institutions like Electronic Arts on the difficulty in developing for the platform and seeing the Android market further sink into mini-walled gardens due to "perceived" compatibility issues, my hopes for this platform are slowly starting to come into question.
That's unfortunate, because I love the idea, I love the freedom, and I think I would hate living in a design chosen for me, but at the end of the day, it's going to be the quality of apps, and how well the device runs with the operating system, as well as the compatibility of apps that's going to make a difference.
Maybe my mind will change over the next year or so with the release of ICS (hate that name), but right now, I don't have much hope of seeing this OS going in a direction any different than the current state of Linux.
It's functional, it's powerful, but I want EVERYTHING Android has the capability of doing, not just the bits and pieces they deem worthy of my branded device. My video chip is every bit as powerful as the competing OS devices, so I want to actual see the potential realized!
The Amazon store, the NVidia store, the restrictions with the Market, it's all contributing to putting gated communities up around every subsection of Android. Honestly, I grow tired of it...
Not sure if anyone caught this news back in the spring or remembers... but the update is more than likely coming. Google is "encouraging" manufacturers to keep their phones up to date for 18 months after release. LG and Verizon are supposedly on board. Course, this doesn't mean much, but it is hope.
http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/
I agree with majorpay. So much potential yet so much pussyfooting around in an attempt to squeeze money out of people. I mean that's the whole point of marketing but I think its kind of ridiculous that when an update comes out everyone running the os has no real guarantee of getting it. And if they did promise it. They don't have to promise when. Android is a tank of an os. Wish we could have the current version when its available and not have to wait till our carrier or manufacturer is ready to release it.
what happens first Revo getting GB or ICS launching?
then how long before people start wanting ICS.
Me i have 1 upgrade on my account left and just waiting for either the Prime and or see whats coming out early next yer.
don't take this the wrong way i LOVE the Rev over any other phone on verizon right now BUT it seems like LG is holding back..this phone should have launched with GB there was no reason for it not to. now it sounds like there waiting for the Revo 2 to launch before updating it.
rant done for now
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I love my Android and it's customizing abilities, so don't get me wrong on this statement, but WP7 has been starting to catch my interest. Of course, I have at least another year before I have to think about upgrading, but since I am a MS programmer, the thought of owning one intrigues me.
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don't feel bad. I was at an ATT store with a friend and was checking out the HD7s and was highly impressed with it. It was super smooth and fast, had decent specs. Overall a really nice phone. If Verizon had a comparable phone (trophy is not near the level of the hd7s) I would have considered it.
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don't feel bad. I was at an ATT store with a friend and was checking out the HD7s and was highly impressed with it. It was super smooth and fast, had decent specs. Overall a really nice phone. If Verizon had a comparable phone (trophy is not near the level of the hd7s) I would have considered it.
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I would *suspect* WP7 is going to start bringing REAL phones to the table within the next year or so (they kind of have to if they want to stay in the game). It will be interesting to see what impact on those of us in the Android world it will have. Unless Android can unify their architecture and make dev friendly APIs and standards, they are going to lose this game as quickly as they started winning it. On that note, I'll never purchase an Apple. Put a gun to my head, and it's still likely not going to happen.
Another interesting point you make there, that I've never understood, is that Verizon, one of the largest providers in the nation, always seems to be the last to get the greatest hardware.