Microsoft next operating system for PC's will be Windows 8, something which I don't wanna go and use.
They use the metro interface and I don't see in anyway how this is suited for power users and pc in general, its looks more suited for an tablet.
So for me its an reason for not even wanna test Windows 8, I will skip it and if I didnt use Windows for playing CoD MW3 then I would switch for sure, because with Linux you have many choices in desktop inviroments, like KDE, GNOME, XFCE and others.
Where I do find KDE the best, there interface is modern and they keep improving and bug fixing.
Ofcourse we saw how Ubuntu suddenly introduced unity as standard user interface and dropped GNOME, but atleast you have choices. And not to forget Linux is lighter then Windows and does not need virus scanner.
You can turn off the metro interface in settings and go back to default windows style.
Then I have an Windows 7 look or what? But they still force the interface default onto you, as you say I need to switch to the default Windows style.
Yes, it'll look like Win7 with a couple of new features and such. You can download the Preview now and test it for yourself.
But Windows is an operating system you need pay for. Unless you buy an new notebook, why would you upgrade to Windows 8?
Yes I can test it? But like you say if I put off metro interface its Windows 7 with a couple more features, that is also reason why I consider to switch to Linux, if you have an Xbox 360 or PS3 for gaming then the gaming is not an problem.
I also feel performance with Linux is better, boot time is faster also, but I don't dare to switch because I have one app called QQ that I use to communicate and I already tested in an virtual machine how the video chat off webQQ 3.0 works, it will give receiver and link which you can see the person using webQQ.
I would switch if it wasnt for game part and this one app called QQ.
- QQ(Web)
- QQ for Linux
You can use WINE for gaming. You can check which games works with Wine here
Windows 8 has been written mainly with touchscreens in mind, hence the metro interface. If it's not a touchscreen device then you turn off metro and use it like standard Windows, but with new features. Personally, I don't see any difference between going from Windows 8 to Linux or going from Windows 7 to Linux. Basically, Windows to Linux is what we're talking about here and it's like asking if you prefer apples or oranges. I like both, but I don't have a favourite. I'd rather have both so I can pick and chose what suits at the time.
LordManhattan said:
- QQ(Web)
- QQ for Linux
You can use WINE for gaming. You can check which games works with Wine here
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Yes I check Wine database before I do something drastrical, because my GPU also needs https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee
So I know that wine can solve it, but in case off QQ and CoD MW3 it does not work. The Linux version off QQ only exists because the Chinese goverment putted pressure on Tecent to make an client for Linux.
Right now it doesn't even has an reason to exist, because using WebQQ 3.0 gives you more features then the Linux version, but I tested it and you can use video chat in WebQQ but your contact will get your video in an webbrowser, not in her or his QQ window.
So I tested it all before even installing Linux, because really I like KDE, but how are you going explain to your friends, sorry you need start using Skype with me because there is no good QQ client with proper video chat for Linux.
For OSX there is, so hackintosh is possible.
Both Windows and Linux are different platform and used for different purpose.
So its not like going to Linux, if Windows fails.
For something you need Linux, and for something you need Windows.
And for something you need Mac OSX too.
There you wrong in, all can be used as desktop operating system, the only difference is you probably use other apps for certain tasks.
So will you use iTunes for music on OSX, but in Linux you will use another app which offers same functionality.
Only thing what is still an fact is that Windows is better if you like use your pc for gaming, Linux does not have many games, osx is the same story but there are still more games for OSX then Linux.
I can name an list off app which you can use on all three.
Firefox
VMWare
Virtualbox
Skype
VLC
Chrome
Handbrake
Sabnzbd+
And for most Windows software you will find alternatives, but IM software can be sometimes an problem. Like Gimp is an alternative for photoshop and Gimp can also be used on Windows.
But its true that you will find some software not on Linux, but you can always use wine for trying the Windows software and wine is not an emulator.
DexterMorganNL said:
There you wrong in, all can be used as desktop operating system, the only difference is you probably use other apps for certain tasks.
So will you use iTunes for music on OSX, but in Linux you will use another app which offers same functionality.
Only thing what is still an fact is that Windows is better if you like use your pc for gaming, Linux does not have many games, osx is the same story but there are still more games for OSX then Linux.
I can name an list off app which you can use on all three.
Firefox
VMWare
Virtualbox
Skype
VLC
Chrome
Handbrake
Sabnzbd+
And for most Windows software you will find alternatives, but IM software can be sometimes an problem.
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The main things I use Windows for are:
Visual Studio
Sony Acid
Sony Sound Forge
Adobe Creative Suite
None of them have suitable alternatives on Linux - not even close. Some of them will partially function under Wine but that's not enough.
There is definitely the argument that you do need Windows for some things, but I can't think of any reason why I need Linux over it. (I do use both - I have my PC dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.)
In fact, you can't avoid any OS's
For .NET programmers, there is no other choice than to use Windows.
For Android ROM/Kernel compiling, then Linux is mandatory.
For iPhone app development (XCode?) then I guess Mac is mandatory.
I'm no fan off dual booting, because I have expensive GB's ( SSD's ). But yes sadly on video editing there is not any powerfull program for Linux.
But there are some opensource video editors which I think are not bad, maybe you never heard off the one I'm to name now.
http://www.kdenlive.org/
Video editor for Linux, I think its very good, don't know how far it is now but last time I used it was good for editing video.
I made this AMV with it in 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjgixJc-rE8
But it depends, sometime you really need Windows or OSX ( Just use osx86 ), but most times the average user does not need it.
Maybe i'll reinstall windows 7 or buy a mac. because i'm not the biggest linuxfan..
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Since when do people pay for windows!! :O looololololololol
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Since when do people pay for windows!! :O looololololololol
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I do indirect because you get an license for Windows 7 home premium if you buy an notebook. An notebook without Windows on it would be more expensive for sure.
Linux die hards would want it without this license and apply for a refund, but honestly this time I choose not to do that and keep the license because I use Windows 7 now.
I got an refund from dell for Windows 7 home premium, but I could use the license afterwards still.
I think I would switch back to Win 7 instead.
W7 is most likely going to be the next XP, as in there are likely to be companies demanding it's availability in 10 years time.
I support several companies which insist on XP.
Every few years I dabble with Linux and I've yet to be impressed.
I dual boot with Ubuntu 11.10 and it has many failings over Windows.
Take support for Exchange, previous versions used Evolution but 11.10 comes with Thunderbird. Evolution is only good if you're not running anything newer than Exchange 2003, so while I can use it to access my personal email on my 2003 server, I can't connect to work as they use Exchange 2010.
Just been round a friend's house today and he's moved onto Ubuntu at home because he has to deal with Windows all day at work. Discovered that even though the screen had timed out (PC hadn't been touched for a couple of hours) he was able to open a terminal session before the screen then dimmed and locked, so great security there.
The title of this thread shouldn't be a question, it should be a statement aimed to persuade.
xaccers said:
W7 is most likely going to be the next XP, as in there are likely to be companies demanding it's availability in 10 years time.
I support several companies which insist on XP.
Every few years I dabble with Linux and I've yet to be impressed.
I dual boot with Ubuntu 11.10 and it has many failings over Windows.
Take support for Exchange, previous versions used Evolution but 11.10 comes with Thunderbird. Evolution is only good if you're not running anything newer than Exchange 2003, so while I can use it to access my personal email on my 2003 server, I can't connect to work as they use Exchange 2010.
Just been round a friend's house today and he's moved onto Ubuntu at home because he has to deal with Windows all day at work. Discovered that even though the screen had timed out (PC hadn't been touched for a couple of hours) he was able to open a terminal session before the screen then dimmed and locked, so great security there.
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Exchange is something from Windows, ofcourse you have an chance with trouble if you use exchange on an non windows operating system.
Tho I'm a PC guy, I am still the family techie. So when my uncle called me and asked me to help him run windows programs, which he hasily defined as "work stuff", onto his Mac ( 15" 4:3 core 2 duo MacBook Pro w/ Lion) I said I'd help.
I knew of a couple different ways to do it - bootcamp, parallels, wine, vmware, ect- and after a little Googling, I called him back and asked him about dual booting Windows 7. He would really rather avoid having to power down his computer and boot it back up whenever he needed to run his software, but he wouldn't mind having to buy a seat of W7 if it would make it work hassle free after I set it up.
So, of the avalible options, what would give the best overall system performance? I may end up doing this on his i7 iMac as well, if he likes whatever I do.
I know there are Mac users here, so I hope you can help.
wine http://www.winehq.org/
Or parallels. It will run a windows environment on top of Mac OSX
thanks for the answers guys, but i know what the options are. I was wondering, from someone who has experience, which works best? Surely there's one that works easier or faster than the others?
So i watched the Windows Phone 8 Summit Video and the "Havok" spokesman mentioned "PC Emulator" as being one of the features of WP8 along with DirectX etc.
I assume it's for the Windows 8 to WP8 app porting simplicity, but that begs the question what else could that allow?
If for example the community were to lift any limitation MS could and will put in place. What would that unleash? Sure your only limited to the phones hardware, but still a lot of things can be made with built in PC emulator.
Out of curiosity and speculation.
I fear you misunderstood what they meant by that. They were talking about the Windows Phone 8 Emulator running on the PC as part of the Windows Phone SDK (the same as today - the SDK Emulator runs Windows Phone in an x86 Build). Although it seems they changed the way it works as they mentioned the virtualized phone os running in HyperV.
StevieBallz said:
I fear you misunderstood what they meant by that. They were talking about the Windows Phone 8 Emulator running on the PC as part of the Windows Phone SDK (the same as today - the SDK Emulator runs Windows Phone in an x86 Build). Although it seems they changed the way it works as they mentioned the virtualized phone os running in HyperV.
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I guess i got lost in the moment. Wasn't Hyper-V introduced with the 7.5 emulator.. Anyways thanks for corrected me. lol
Ok i was not sure where to place this thread, so with luck this is the right spot.
for the past 2 months i have been using a lumia 735 on windows 8.1, and i taught myself to code with c# and visual studio, i have even released an app (technically 2 apps as the 2nd one was a complete re-write to be a windows universal app) the thread for them is here http://forums.windowscentral.com/app-spotlight/353188-rpg-app-mr-g-reaper-thread.html
Now here is the issue, my windows phone is cool to program for but completly impractacal as well an everyday phone, tons of apps i used on my s4 are missing on it, the os is not as user friendly as android....its just not the right phone for me. So on tuesday my phone company is sending a courier to pick up my lumia and give me a xperia m2 (i didnt have much say in what android i got) naturally i want to adapt my app to work on the android os... only i have tried once before to write an android app and there is one thing that drives me crazy.....screen control, on visual studio you drag and drop the buttons to where you want them on the screen, and thats where they will be, on android you have to calculate the weights of the buttons to get them to share a certain amount of real-estate of the screen and well it never felt intuitive....guess im more a wysiwyg programmer. But i may of just been doing it wrong so here goes:
1) is there a way to create the gui in a wysiwyg manner? (like windows phone development in visual studio)
2) is there a way to code in c# instead of java? (for free, i have seen a service that allows you to do it for about $99 a month..... my apps are free, no adverts, a hobby, i cant pay out for that kind of thing
3) any tips for a newbie ?