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This question is directed to those who have taken apart their Kaiser, and specifically screen the screen assembly. I've got water issues and the screen is broke now. Here's the story. I might get some outrageous warranty charges.
I installed the InvisiShield (www.shieldzone.com) on my phone. Essentially it's a screen protector that is indestructible. It practically is, but unfortunately it destroyed my phone. To install it you have to spray this liquid on the back of the 'shield' and apply it to your phone, using a squeegee to get the bubbles out. It went pretty well, and I was happy with the results, but 3 days later my screen stopped working.
Everything is washed out, and it looks like water got inside the LCD somehow. For instance, colors streak across the LCD in fonts, etc.
I called ATT and they are mailing a replacement, and I'll be expected to send this phone back. They said if the return phone has damage that would void warranty (water damage, etc) I'll be prorated $400 on my next bill.
Over the phone the customer representative had me remove the battery and check one of the water damage pads to make sure it was white. It is.
For those who have seen internal phone assembly, is there any of these directly by the screen that will pick up moisture?
As far as ATT knows, the phone LCD suddenly stopped working. I'll get a replacement and /hopefully/ theres not a moisture pad right next to the LCD assembly. Anyone know?
Damn, hate those broken screen story's. Scars the **** out of me.
jon_k said:
This question is directed to those who have taken apart their Kaiser, and specifically screen the screen assembly. I've got water issues and the screen is broke now. Here's the story. I might get some outrageous warranty charges.
I installed the InvisiShield (www.shieldzone.com) on my phone. Essentially it's a screen protector that is indestructible. It practically is, but unfortunately it destroyed my phone. To install it you have to spray this liquid on the back of the 'shield' and apply it to your phone, using a squeegee to get the bubbles out. It went pretty well, and I was happy with the results, but 3 days later my screen stopped working.
Everything is washed out, and it looks like water got inside the LCD somehow. For instance, colors streak across the LCD in fonts, etc.
I called ATT and they are mailing a replacement, and I'll be expected to send this phone back. They said if the return phone has damage that would void warranty (water damage, etc) I'll be prorated $400 on my next bill.
Over the phone the customer representative had me remove the battery and check one of the water damage pads to make sure it was white. It is.
For those who have seen internal phone assembly, is there any of these directly by the screen that will pick up moisture?
As far as ATT knows, the phone LCD suddenly stopped working. I'll get a replacement and /hopefully/ theres not a moisture pad right next to the LCD assembly. Anyone know?
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I dont know but man I hope that there isn't. Have you tried contacting invisishield? Never mind, b/c they'll blame you. Most applicators like that use alcohol to evaporate the remaining moisture that's left. My friend applied it to his, and he used very little liquid(scared), so GOOD LUCK!! I MEAN IT
Tough break, sounds dangerous to pour liquid on the screen though !
On a related matter has anyone seen pics of a Kaiser pulled apart ? Still wondering where the GPS antenna is located !
Yeah, I hope I don't get shafted.
I love the invisibleshield, and I put one on my $1,500 DSLR camera screen, but since the Kaiser screen is recessed a bit, when you squeegee the solution out from under the screen, it cannot be wiped away. It just gets pushed out between the phone's body bezel, and the screen glass -- right in to the phone. With my DSLR camera, the screen is flush with the body, so when squeegee'd I could quickly wipe the water/alcohol away.
Contacting Invisibleshield got me:
Our liability does not extend beyond our product. The lifetime warranty only covers the replacement of the invisibleSHIELD and NOT a warranty for the device the shield is protecting.
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If ATT charges me the $400 if they find out, I guess I'll pay it. It's my fault, but by extension of invisibleshield. Guess I'll learn not to use that product on anything that has a recessed screen. I was thinking of buying an invisible shield for my laptop as well, but it's screen is slightly recessed like the kaiser, so you can forget me doing that!
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Damn, hate those broken screen story's. Scars the **** out of me.
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That was why I bought the 'best screen shield on the market' for scratches (invisibleshield). Coincidentally that was the demise of my phone. I also purchased a steel case that basically would let me sit on my phone (uncomfortably) if i wanted. The desire to protect my phone, did the opposite in my case.
Wow what a horror story. Thanks for sharing with us - may prevent another phone from dying.
Wondering if you remove the battery and not using for a few days until the water dries out before turning it on?
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Wow what a horror story. Thanks for sharing with us - may prevent another phone from dying.
Wondering if you remove the battery and not using for a few days until the water dries out before turning it on?
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Could be, zcink. The replacement phone is on it's way. I can remove the battery during this time it takes for the replacement to come and see what happens. Unfortunately, I think one of the following has happened:
1) Water seeped between the LCD protetcive glass, and the LCD itself, and somehow soaked in to the LCD causing mini shorts -- thus resulting in kludged text.
2) Water seeped to the phone's connecting cable where the screen input is, dried on the wires, thus creating a short -- destroying the signal.
Either way, when the liquid dry's, the mineral deposits causing the short will still exist, still causing a short. For both, repair requires disassembly, voiding my warranty. I could buy a new replacement screen from the China place for about $100, but if ATT /might/ replace it without screwing me, I'll take the chance. Just wanted to know what my chances /were/ them finding out it's got water in it.
I guess the moral is.
Don't buy from InvisibleShield, unless you use a SPARING amount of spray they they include. They include a huge bottle, and I used 2 sprays worth applied to my shield. This created enough excess to be squeegeed right into my phones body. The phone worked great for a few days, until one day at work, while I was using it -- BAM -- the screen was dead.
There isn't the water dectector there, but I'm pretty sure the technicians would notice the damaged screen.
I know those screen protectors, used them for alot of things. Using one right now actully. Its the one you wash with soap and warm water, and just let it dry, it have a static adhesive to the the scree.
I see. yeah hopefully the ATT tech will be lazy and just grant you the warranty without investigating. just play dumb. If they charge you the $400 call them up and threaten to switch to T-Mobile.
My phone died and T-Mobile was going to do nothing until I threatened to switch to ATT, then they replaced it.
I seriously doubt that they will be able to tell unless you really soaked it, next time use a dry screen protector, they work just fine, no bubbles. The only moisture sensor is on the battery, and if it was a tiny amount of moisture, there's likely no signs in the screen assembly. AT&T isn't likely going to dissect the screen to check.
Kaiser disassembly howto
I have found this one somewhere here, can't remember where... Hope this helps.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ly2msnybhb
Hadn't heard of that screen protector before, guess it would work well on an HTC Touch, not sure how the "full body" version works though!
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I have found this one somewhere here, can't remember where... Hope this helps.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ly2msnybhb
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Amazing find. Thanks!
It appears to me that the screen itself is it's own modular unit. Meaning, after phone disassembly, you'd have to disassemble the actual screen itself. Further, there is no moisture indicators directly by the assembly it seems.
Knock on wood, but I'd hope a tech wouldn't go that far to determine the fault of the phone. I assume they would if theres telltale signs of water damage to the display (streaking might be a common sign.) But, maybe, just maybe, they won't.
http://www.gpspassion.com/download/HTC_Kaiser_disassembly.pdf
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The only moisture sensor is on the battery
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The service manual shows 4 of them, one under the battery that can be seen from the outside, one at the top and one at the bottom of the mainboard's other side, and.. one on the board that holds the bottom front panel switches, so very close to the LCD.
Personally I wouldn't have asked for a replacement phone, I'd have disassembled the phone and tried to clean it if made dirty by the liquid, bought a spare screen off ebay if it was definitely dead, and if ultimately it didn't work bought another phone off ebay for less than $400. But maybe I like risk
Here, Perfect for what you need, used it myself: http://www.mindsofwisemen.com/fileso/other/ReplacingTheLCDonaKaiser.pdf
Best wishes
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Not sure if the above noted guide is officially and with permission uploaded to that site, but to give credit to members here it is (SKDVR’s Adaption of Tony Chen’s guide)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2247685&postcount=19
i took mine apart to replace the screen; pics and info on what i did and where i got it. didn't see any water indicators near the screen when i did it, didn't think to look...
Keyboard membrane removal.
So, I've had trouble with my keyboard lately and wanted to just clean off the contacts on the membrane...but I can't seem to get the damned thing out of the plastic keyboard Middle Housing.
I have gotten everything apart so the housing is separated. Verified that I did it the way the service manual says...but i saw NOTHING about how to disassemble the keyboard from the housing.
PLZ! Pictures are good.
Try replacing digitizer screen
found that digitizer screen is above lcd and can be purcased for about $10 on ebay
hello guys,
my tytn II cant detect simcard saying the simcard is missing.
Any idea whats wrong???
Hey guys, I am sad to inform you that I now have a dead Tilt. It just goes haywire and presses all kinds of buttons when you turn it on. Randomly chose to do that one day. I bought it from someone else for $400 and now I am screwed. Possibly the worst day for me as I have only had it for like a month. And the water damage indicator is slightly pink, probably damaged when sold to me.
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Hey guys, I am sad to inform you that I now have a dead Tilt. It just goes haywire and presses all kinds of buttons when you turn it on. Randomly chose to do that one day. I bought it from someone else for $400 and now I am screwed. Possibly the worst day for me as I have only had it for like a month. And the water damage indicator is slightly pink, probably damaged when sold to me.
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why dont you contact the vendor and see if you can get a refund if you didnt state that the device had a problem with it before you sold it to me.
I tried but he said that the I bought the phone a month ago and that I have to take it up with ATT. Which I can't do because I am with Tmobile.
Really , 1 month is pretty late to claim anything. If its screwed up within a week , maybe.
well , To bad for you. Hopefully you can sell it on ebay for some money. Make sure you describe your phone has problem and sold as is.
Do you know anyone with AT&T? You could have them call AT&T's handset replacement department. If the moisture indicator is only slightly pink, as opposed to full on "1980's teenage girl pink", you should be able to exchange it.
I had a similar issue with the indicator on my 8125 getting turning slightly pink, but AT&T (Cingular at the time) replaced it for me.
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Do you know anyone with AT&T? You could have them call AT&T's handset replacement department. If the moisture indicator is only slightly pink, as opposed to full on "1980's teenage girl pink", you should be able to exchange it.
I had a similar issue with the indicator on my 8125 getting turning slightly pink, but AT&T (Cingular at the time) replaced it for me.
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..no good he's screwed, he's with TMobile
I'd take the battery out, put it in with dessicant...I think thats what those things are called that draw moisture outta things...and pray.
Good luck to you..that really bites
I have several friends who have AT&T. Could they go into a corporate store and get a replacementfor me even though they did not have that phone on their line initially? What if they say it is water damaged and charge the full amount of the phone? The phone works now after leaving it in rice overnight but it won't turn off completely, it will just immediately turn back on when shut down. I didn't get any water on the phone or anything but it is extremely humid where I live.
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I have several friends who have AT&T. Could they go into a corporate store and get a replacementfor me even though they did not have that phone on their line initially? What if they say it is water damaged and charge the full amount of the phone? The phone works now after leaving it in rice overnight but it won't turn off completely, it will just immediately turn back on when shut down. I didn't get any water on the phone or anything but it is extremely humid where I live.
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I have AT&T and they registered my IMEA into their system when I bought the phone. I cannot imagine the look I would get if I then walked in with a broken iPhone and asked them to replace it for free.
Caveat Emptor = Buyer beware
P.S. My GF's Samsung upstage was left in a puddle of water ( cold drink condensation right next to it ), and the only problem was the back screen was foggy. Held a blow dryer on it for a few minutes, and stuck it in the fridge overnight. Got rid of some of the moisture, and the rest dissipated over time. Are you sure this is moisture related? I had an old XDA II that did what you describe when the battery got below ~10%. Perhaps this is battery charge related?
Well battery was at about 93% when it happened. So I don't think it's the battery. What does sticking it in the fridge do for the condensation?
I am not a genius, but I would imagine putting it in the fridge could be a horrible thing. What happens to a beer when it begins to warm up after removed from the fridge? It sweats (condensation)
For the pink indicator, once it turns pink, it will never turn back white again. Thats what its for is to indicate "water damage" at some time, not indicating its wet right now. I'm going through this myself. My Tilt has NEVER been near water (haven't had it in the rain or anything). My USB port quit working but when they asked me the color of that indicator and I said Pink, I was out of luck. They told me just having the phone in the bathroom when you take a shower, if it gets steamy enough then the indicator will turn pink. Really sucks, but AT&T warranty looks at that and makes a decision on it form there.
HTC told me that they see the indicator, but the techs look at the copper to see if there is oxidation and all to determine water damage. So while AT&T won't do a replacement due to a pink indicator strip, HTC might still cover it with their warranty (but if they don't you'll have to pay for the fix, and if you opt not to pay, you still have to pay them like $30 plus shipping to and from them for looking at the phone).
I may look at sending my phone to http://pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~...lt+full+service+repairs~item~75H00465-00M.htm to have mine fixed for $80, but for now am using BT to activesync. You might call them to see if they will look at it and give you an estimate for repairs for your issue.
Best of luck with this.
Hello guys,
I'm new here so please be nice to me plus i apologize if my english is bad and please take your time to read. I REALLY NEED HELP
SO here it is
. i got my xperia z a month ago and updated the firmware version last week. But the problem is not there.
the Big problem is. me and my friends had a vacation and i am very confident to use my phone to use it on water but not totally submerged.... only on the surface of water where we can take some pictures.
I am very sure and 100% sure that I securely close the flaps ALL FLAPS. before taking it to the pool. we manage to use the phone to take pictures and take some video but NO ONE submerged it underwater. we use it like 10 - 15mins only.
After an hour not using it, i checked my phone to see if someone emailed me or sms me. and i found some problems in my phone. i saw the front and back camera including the led flash is moisted. YES moisted INSIDE. and found the screen not hanging, not lagging but glitching so then i turned off my phone because i was too worried it may die when i keep it open. BTW the battery level is somehow 50+% more. then after 4 hours when i saw the moist in both of the camera is gone.. i opened my phone and BOOM the battery level downed to 1% then after less than a minute my phone DIED. i tried to charge it for the first time and after an hour it turned on. and yes turned on directly to the lock screen. i know and as far as i know. when the battery is drained and charged you're not suppose to be on the lock screen in instance. you must be on the charging status where you can see the battery logo charging with the electric sign or the flash sign or whatever.
Then i tried to unlock my screen without a problem and still pretty smooth to use but after an hour or two the battery is still on 1% then i tried to run the camera and it DIED again. yes my Z died again.
We got home. after 4 hours of travel and within the 4 hours i didnt open or charge the phone. after that long hour when i got home. i charged the phone. Tried to charge it in a wall charger and tried it in usb connected to desktop charge but it only shows me a blinking red notification light.
i tried to turn it on but it wont. i tried to hard reset it with power button + volume up but nothing happen
So a while ago i brought my phone to the nearest Sony Service Center. Unluckily the phone is not yet available here in my country (philippines)
they said that the water went through inside and damage the processor, or something like the motherboard or something like the one that makes the phone alive. I ask them if they can fix my phone. they said there is no probability because the phone is not yet available in my country and so as the parts. he said if we try to repair it now it'll cost you like you bought a brand new one. so i was shocked and very sad.
I bought this phone on a Trusted online store but they can't help me. they have a 3days replacement warranty and a 1 year service warranty but as the rules follows. The Warranty is voided if a water proof or water resistance gadget is damaged by water or liquid device. my phone is 1 month old.
I am very depressed because here in the philippines its like gold to buy that phone. I'm a bit depressed about the Sony commercial boosting up my confidence to wet my phone. even if I / we didnt submerged it.
I need help! what do i do? i really love my xperia z and its my first flagship phone.
Take it to the service center and ask them to escalate this to area manager...
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Take it to the service center and ask them to escalate this to area manager...
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they did send it to area manager, but the manager said the same thing "Xperia Z is not yet available in the philippines and so the parts" but i saw some article and forums that the phone will be available by april.. its this month
Did you tried to dry the phone with hair dryer?And keep the phone on charger for hours.
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gm007 said:
Did you tried to dry the phone with hair dryer?And keep the phone on charger for hours.
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for the past 24 hours upto now. i dried my phone through the heat of sunlight and the use of fan. I'm charging the phone right now but its notification light is different from what i expect. instead of a consistent red light - turned to green when almost full or fully charged... for about 6 hours now its only a blinking red notification light with 3-5 seconds interval.
I think you cannot change it on warranty, take a look at this link (it is from Sony Mobile) where it says ``Do not use your device in the following conditions:`` : http://userguide.sonymobile.com/ref...ter-resistance---For-extended-Guide-only.html
P.S. That IPX7 think means : Temporary Immersion, Protected against the effects of temporary immersion in water. So it is not that fun to play in the swimming pool
damn man...I washing my phone everyday because is getting dirty.
So they declined to repair by warranty ?
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I think you cannot change it on warranty, take a look at this link (it is from Sony Mobile) where it says ``Do not use your device in the following conditions:``
P.S. That IPX7 think means : Temporary Immersion, Protected against the effects of temporary immersion in water. So it is not that fun to play in the swimming pool
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yes i've seen this link before. but the fact that i / we didnt submerge it underwater. the phone itself got wet from splashes of water from the swimming pool which is not too hot or too cold. its in average temperature. after an hour or less. i saw some moisture on the front and rear camera including the led flash light.
so does this mean i have no other choice but to buy a new one? ( but i can't, the phone's price is like gold here in Philippines )
is there no / any other solution?
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damn man...I washing my phone everyday because is getting dirty.
So they declined to repair by warranty ?
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the 3 days replacement warranty is over. the fact that i have this phone for a month now
1 year service warranty is voided as the rule said :
"*Service warranty only includes :
Free of charge on installation of parts needed to replace, price of parts is charge.(Wet damage"even if it waterproof", Drop damage is warranty void)"
You got warranty form sony. (1Year)
OPEN DAMN FLAPS and check there is white indicators. If it's still white it was NO WATER DAMAGE !!!
So take this garbadge to sony and say it's suddenly shut down.
This is it. Do not tell is water damage or something liker this. You woke up and saw your phone is died.
good luck.
So True!!! have you checked the white indicators? I they are all white and they should replace your phone, if they are red-ish then you gotta argue with them and tell them to examine the phone because you didn't do anything wrong.
FiyiK said:
you got 1 year warranty from Sony.
Go to a Sony Store and tell them your phone has died without your own knowledge.
If they ask you something about "did u put the phone in water?" you can say I washed my phone 1 day before with water.. and all the flaps were closed.. (if you think it's damaged by water, open the flaps and check the white indicator.. Every flap contains a white indicator) If there is nothing wrong with that, it's damaged by something else.. So check that first, and after go with "a" story to Sony Store for your 1 year warranty.. And it should be ok
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sorry for my late response.. i forgot to mention that the white indicator has turned red...
- the micro SD and the micro USB flap are slightly red
- the headphones flap is totally red.
anyway. i bought this ONLINE, not from a sony store, The Store said it has a 3days replacement warranty and a 1 year service warranty.... is the one year service warranty is the Sony Warranty? or is different?
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sorry for my late response.. i forgot to mention that the white indicator has turned red...
- the micro SD and the micro USB flap are slightly red
- the headphones flap is totally red.
anyway. i bought this ONLINE, not from a sony store, The Store said it has a 3days replacement warranty and a 1 year service warranty.... is the one year service warranty is the Sony Warranty? or is different?
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You should check the law about replacement, in Slovenia we said that "Law on Consumer Protection". We have unofficial 8 days replacement, btu by the law, we are protected for 2 months from the day we bought an article.
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You should check the law about replacement, in Slovenia we said that "Law on Consumer Protection". We have unofficial 8 days replacement, btu by the law, we are protected for 2 months from the day we bought an article.
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here is the link of the Warranty Agreement of the shop where i bought the phone:
http://www.widgetcity.com.ph/warranty-agreement
when i bought the phone it's really in its perfect condition so service warranty will remain but the fact that they said :
*Service warranty only includes :
Free of charge on installation of parts needed to replace, price of parts is charge.(Wet damage"even if it waterproof", Drop damage is warranty void)
it means i have to spend another bucks to repair it but as of now they said that the parts of this model is not yet available in my country.
regardless of the country, the COMPANY of SONY gives a 1 year warranty.
if you are unsure about philipines, send it to someone in a different country like japan or usa and they should send it in for warranty.
it isn't even available in the phils like you said, so why bother.
if the indicators are red, water MUST HAVE gotten to the inside, and this is very bad. maybe the flaps were not really secured tightly but only loosely. nobody knows how water got through 3 different flaps and sony may check the flaps.
if they are closed and no water comes through, then it's pretty obvious, that they were not closed "correctly" / pushed in very hard all the way down.
even if it's that much worth like a ball of gold in the phils, it "may be" your fault that it got damaged.
i don't know how that happened, but the indicators are there for a good reason.
if you had it with you in the pool, maybe water could have gotten from ONE loose flap to the others. but if you only had it get some drops of water on the front and back, that possibility should not be there.
so ask yourself once again how water could have gotten to all the indicators or did you open them with wet fingers to connect cables ?
digitalray said:
regardless of the country, the COMPANY of SONY gives a 1 year warranty.
if you are unsure about philipines, send it to someone in a different country like japan or usa and they should send it in for warranty.
it isn't even available in the phils like you said, so why bother.
if the indicators are red, water MUST HAVE gotten to the inside, and this is very bad. maybe the flaps were not really secured tightly but only loosely. nobody knows how water got through 3 different flaps and sony may check the flaps.
if they are closed and no water comes through, then it's pretty obvious, that they were not closed "correctly" / pushed in very hard all the way down.
even if it's that much worth like a ball of gold in the phils, it "may be" your fault that it got damaged.
i don't know how that happened, but the indicators are there for a good reason.
if you had it with you in the pool, maybe water could have gotten from ONE loose flap to the others. but if you only had it get some drops of water on the front and back, that possibility should not be there.
so ask yourself once again how water could have gotten to all the indicators or did you open them with wet fingers to connect cables ?
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I am very sure that the flaps (ALL FLAPS) of my XZ are secured tightly. I'm pretty sure too that before i open the flaps after several hour i dried it using a towel and pretty sure that my hands and fingers are dry before i charge it.
can you provide a link where i can message them and investigate my phone? i'm really missing my XZ right now
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I am very sure that the flaps (ALL FLAPS) of my XZ are secured tightly. I'm pretty sure too that before i open the flaps after several hour i dried it using a towel and pretty sure that my hands and fingers are dry before i charge it.
can you provide a link where i can message them and investigate my phone? i'm really missing my XZ right now
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Hi I'm just wondering on what happened to your XZ? does sony resolve this issue without spending a centavo on the repair? Thank you
hey.. I'm from Philippines too and i have the same problem, but there are some differences. like , i let my friend use my phone to take picture under the pool, so he submerged my phone but not deep, like just 4 inches. then he returned it to me. and i set the timer then gave it to him again and he took picture, by the third time.. i was checking my phone the camera didnt work i exit, then touch the camera icon and it says "camera error", so 1st. i submerged my phone and you didnt
2nd i could still use it, the camera is the only problem. i listened to 3-4 songs then, i stopped and played minion rush. for like 3 runs, after 2hrs, i let my friend play my phone (take note my front and back camera also moistened) then it suddenly just turned off. not shutdown. just off, turned black..
3rd the moist on my main camera is still there
then i perform an inspection. i open each flaps, and there are no traces of water except in the flap cover of my memory card, i was shocked because i also made sure that the flaps are all closed before using it in the pool. i dont know how the water managed to enter the closed flap then i took my memory card out its not that wet but you can see very little water. then i brought immediately to nearest sony (just an FYI. i bought my phone in Sony store in SM Bacoor) then they said they have this white water indicator, if it turned red or pink means a water really entered the device. my indicators (for each flap) is all white (even the flap cover of my memory card) so they cant say what was really the problem, and they said. the moistening of the camera is natural.. then they charged my phone thinking that the battery was just drained but i said no, the battery was 65 when it happened, but after a 1-2 minutes of charge. my phone OPENED !! then i told them i just updated my software. you know the 4.3 jelly bean and they said the update might have something to do with what happened to my phone. so the water isnt only the responsible for my problem
and also my phone glitches while on lockscreen.. after it opened :'( im bringing my phone again in PASIG . SONY at megamall recommended me to take my phone to pasig branch. (i thought in MOA) so if you live nearby these places. you should bring it to PASIG branch. coz they said "only" pasig branch do the fixing thing
Thanks in advance for any advice offered...
Some orange juice spilled on my S6 Edge and caused liquid damage to PBA (motherboard) components. (By the way, thanks to all that called for a "cooler" looking phone...now it can't withstand a splash of liquid, but that's another post in another thread)
In my naïve nature, I assumed that Samsung would be able to repair the phone for me, albeit at a significant cost, so I sent it off to their repair center.
The ticket notes were updated after a Samsung tech looked at the phone and deemed it Beyond Economic Repair (BER) due to liquid damage to PBA components and send the broken phone in the mail without even giving me the option to pay to replace the damaged internals. After all, replacing parts of the phone should not be as expensive as purchasing the phone at full cost right?
I've done some reading online to see what options I have available to me at this point, but all seem to point to the damaged phone being a really expensive paper weight.
I just wanted to check in to see if anyone has had experience with a situation like this...or if anyone had advice on what options I have at this point.
Can the phone be repaired for less than the full retail cost of a replacement phone (approx. $900 for the model I have)?
If not, do liquid damaged phones sell for spare parts? (Screen & body of the phone are in mint condition)
You can go to Swappa.com and look in the boneyard to see if anyone is selling a busted s6 for parts. You can also sell your damaged phone in the boneyard.
It was likely more than a splash, I'm guessing a spill or full dunk if it migrated all the way through to the motherboard?
I've dropped my phone in a full sink of water (twice) and immediately grabbed it out and it was completely unharmed.
If a splash had the ability to damage it, then how did it manage to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBKmIlk52Q
Is there any life in the phone at all? Orange juice is very corrosive and a electrical conductor due to the ions in the juice, so it doesn't take much to short things out and reek havoc. I don't know how good you are at taking things apart and fixing them but if it were me I would tear into it and completely disassemble it. Wash all the boards thoroughly with distilled water then give it a soaking in 100% isopropal alcohol. Let it dry thoroughly, check the battery for voltage and try and fire it up. Don't wash or soak the battery by the way. I've fixed a few phone this way that had coke or dirty water in them. Had an iPhone my wife dropped in a toilet last an additional two years after doing this. I had a phone myself I dropped in a glass of diet coke go back to working after a thorough cleaning. Still works to this day and that's been years ago. Those technicians aren't going to spend the time doing this due to the cost of the labor and the off chance it may quite on you down the rd. Anyhow, hope you can revive it. Good luck!
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Thanks in advance for any advice offered...
Some orange juice spilled on my S6 Edge and caused liquid damage to PBA (motherboard) components. (By the way, thanks to all that called for a "cooler" looking phone...now it can't withstand a splash of liquid, but that's another post in another thread)
In my naïve nature, I assumed that Samsung would be able to repair the phone for me, albeit at a significant cost, so I sent it off to their repair center.
The ticket notes were updated after a Samsung tech looked at the phone and deemed it Beyond Economic Repair (BER) due to liquid damage to PBA components and send the broken phone in the mail without even giving me the option to pay to replace the damaged internals. After all, replacing parts of the phone should not be as expensive as purchasing the phone at full cost right?
I've done some reading online to see what options I have available to me at this point, but all seem to point to the damaged phone being a really expensive paper weight.
I just wanted to check in to see if anyone has had experience with a situation like this...or if anyone had advice on what options I have at this point.
Can the phone be repaired for less than the full retail cost of a replacement phone (approx. $900 for the model I have)?
If not, do liquid damaged phones sell for spare parts? (Screen & body of the phone are in mint condition)
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You picked the phone! you could have gotten the less flashy seemingly more durable sibling if you had wanted.
Otherwise though yeah, you could see how much Samsung would charge you to fix it, and or start looking for replacement parts.
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It was likely more than a splash, I'm guessing a spill or full dunk if it migrated all the way through to the motherboard?
I've dropped my phone in a full sink of water (twice) and immediately grabbed it out and it was completely unharmed.
If a splash had the ability to damage it, then how did it manage to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBKmIlk52Q
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It was in a bag with a unsealed bottle of orange juice. When the bag was picked up, the bottle of orange juice spilled and wet the phone. It wasn't fully submerged, and was in contact with the juice for 30 seconds max.
The phone was a little wet on the outside, but was still functional. I wiped it off and the phone operated with no problem.
Few hours later it started acting up. I restarted it and could never get it to boot back up, while not plugged in, since.
As a matter of fact, I didn't shut the phone down and immediately start remediation because I assumed (from watching the videos like you linked) the phone was capable of withstanding brief exposure to liquid.
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Is there any life in the phone at all? Orange juice is very corrosive and a electrical conductor due to the ions in the juice, so it doesn't take much to short things out and reek havoc. I don't know how good you are at taking things apart and fixing them but if it were me I would tear into it and completely disassemble it. Wash all the boards thoroughly with distilled water then give it a soaking in 100% isopropal alcohol. Let it dry thoroughly, check the battery for voltage and try and fire it up. Don't wash or soak the battery by the way. I've fixed a few phone this way that had coke or dirty water in them. Had an iPhone my wife dropped in a toilet last an additional two years after doing this. I had a phone myself I dropped in a glass of diet coke go back to working after a thorough cleaning. Still works to this day and that's been years ago. Those technicians aren't going to spend the time doing this due to the cost of the labor and the off chance it may quite on you down the rd. Anyhow, hope you can revive it. Good luck!
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It has *some* life. If I plug the phone in to a generic USB power brick, the Samsung logo will pop up & start the AT&T music and then immediately goes into a reboot loop where it starts the process over again. If I plug it into the Samsung USB brick it came with, I was able to get it to fully boot into the operating system, but crashed the first time I tried to access my pictures in the gallery, and then allowed me to pull up the pictures after a second try.
If there is no power going to the phone (via USB or wireless charging) the phone does not respond at all.
I watched a video of a S6 Edge teardown and it's MUCH more difficult than the previous models (which had removable back panels). I think iFixit rated it a reparability score of 3 out of 10.
They had to use special equipment to lift the back glass up enough (just short of breaking it) to get a guitar looking pick underneath to remove the glue. Once the back glass is off, they had to also unglue the battery to get it out.
Not having much to loose at this point, I submerged it in 91% iso-rubbing alchohol for 3hrs and will let it set in a bag of rice for 2-3 days.
I think the damage has already been done though. Will removing corrosion after there's been a short on the circuit board do anything?
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You picked the phone! you could have gotten the less flashy seemingly more durable sibling if you had wanted.
Otherwise though yeah, you could see how much Samsung would charge you to fix it, and or start looking for replacement parts.
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Yea, I did pick it. IR blaster is an important feature for me, so my options were HTC or Samsung. I've owned 2 galaxy phones & like the synergy with my Samsung TV so I went for the Galaxy....despite my concerns with the step backwards (in terms of water resistance & utility) from the S5.
I've talked to Samsung and they will not give me an option to repair. They say that the parts + labor to fix the phone exceeds the cost of a new phone.
When a phone with possible water damage is sent to Samsung for repair....do they actually open up the phone to verify it's liquid damage, or do they just look for the liquid indicator and call it liquid damage if it's red?
My regular S6 survived a massive downpour yesterday while hiking I have no idea how I got so lucky. I opened it up to check it too and everything was okay internally. I guess they weren't kidding when they said it can withstand some liquid damage so long as it isn't submerged.
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To all in this thread ........... Water damage, liquid damage .....etc
To answer a couple of these questions .......... If water infiltrates inside the back of the phone ...... there is a strip that will change properties that indicates water got in the phone. Newer devices (not just phones, cameras lenses...etc) uses more exotic materials that you cannot easily detect ..... they will show up under UV .......... so to answer that Yes the manufacturer usually can tell..... if it is not obvious, often they do not check ......
To all the Physics ..... comments .......... Water infiltrates based on the seal of the back or the front depending on how the phone is constructed air resistance within the device if sealed ...we could assume it is 14.7 psi or Sea level average atmospheric pressure. As soon as you drop something into say a pool, if it were to sink to 5-feet under the psi would increase to about 17 psi outside force pushing against the interior 14.7 psi....... Without getting into partial pressure laws and more math and physics.........
Greater Out side force is exerting against a lesser force inside the phone........ this precipitates faster infiltration ......... All aforesaid is great academics ......... The Bottom line is this
If you drop your phone into water or any water based fluid then...... Remove as quickly as possible, remove the power source (this is why I prefer a removable battery) the power source is the thing that Really speeds up the water damage.
So here is how to deal with water intrusions
1. Dry it off
2. Remove the power source asap
3. Dry it again .....
4. Immerse is Rubbing alcohol 91% (preferably Denatured reagent) if possible, the Alcohol bonds the water molecules to it for a minute or 2........ then remove and dry off with paper towels
5. Then put in Millet, Rice, Desiccant... etc
I have had to do this a number of times in my life with underwater cameras when the housing leaks ........ a real pain being 100-120 feet under and have to stop the shoot because of a housing leaks
But considering my average lens is 1000 bucks and saltwater will destroy the coatings (not to mention electronics) I have only lost 1 lens and one camera in 25 years and no phone ever due to water infiltration occurrences. But being careful and immediate response is the key ....... be Vigilant ( in this case, that means know how to open the phone and remove the power source)
Hope that helps clear some things up ..........
In South Africa we get ADH (accident and damage handling) on Samsung flagships, but they have been tightening the strings since the S5.
ADH covers screen / body damage with a free repair as part of the warranty.
Water damage on the S6 AFAIK isn't covered anymore like it was on previous Galaxy devices.
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RajCaj said:
Thanks in advance for any advice offered...
Some orange juice spilled on my S6 Edge and caused liquid damage to PBA (motherboard) components. (By the way, thanks to all that called for a "cooler" looking phone...now it can't withstand a splash of liquid, but that's another post in another thread)
In my naïve nature, I assumed that Samsung would be able to repair the phone for me, albeit at a significant cost, so I sent it off to their repair center.
The ticket notes were updated after a Samsung tech looked at the phone and deemed it Beyond Economic Repair (BER) due to liquid damage to PBA components and send the broken phone in the mail without even giving me the option to pay to replace the damaged internals. After all, replacing parts of the phone should not be as expensive as purchasing the phone at full cost right?
I've done some reading online to see what options I have available to me at this point, but all seem to point to the damaged phone being a really expensive paper weight.
I just wanted to check in to see if anyone has had experience with a situation like this...or if anyone had advice on what options I have at this point.
Can the phone be repaired for less than the full retail cost of a replacement phone (approx. $900 for the model I have)?
If not, do liquid damaged phones sell for spare parts? (Screen & body of the phone are in mint condition)
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Purchase an s6 active
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Beyond Economic repair means the cost of fixing it is more than the phones cost.
Yes, the phone that just released in the US last Friday, on AT&T only.
Had I known what I know now about the S6 Edge's ability to stand up to liquid exposure & the cost to repair liquid damaged phones, I would have foregone the Edge pre-order and waited the 2 months for Samsung to offer a waterproof version of the phone. Also, prior Active models had lesser hardware profiles and wouldn't have seemed like a good alternative for me when I was in the market for a new phone.
I really wish more manufactures built their phone with IR ports....then I wouldn't be beholden to Samsung's BS.
oka1 said:
So here is how to deal with water intrusions
1. Dry it off
2. Remove the power source asap
3. Dry it again .....
4. Immerse is Rubbing alcohol 91% (preferably Denatured reagent) if possible, the Alcohol bonds the water molecules to it for a minute or 2........ then remove and dry off with paper towels
5. Then put in Millet, Rice, Desiccant... etc
I have had to do this a number of times in my life with underwater cameras when the housing leaks ........ a real pain being 100-120 feet under and have to stop the shoot because of a housing leaks
But considering my average lens is 1000 bucks and saltwater will destroy the coatings (not to mention electronics) I have only lost 1 lens and one camera in 25 years and no phone ever due to water infiltration occurrences. But being careful and immediate response is the key ....... be Vigilant ( in this case, that means know how to open the phone and remove the power source)
Hope that helps clear some things up .........
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Thanks for the advise....I will certainly handle things differently if this ever happens again.
Couple of quick questions, since you have experience with this stuff....
Is it possible for the 91% alcohol to further damage the device? Are there specific components that do okay in an alcohol bath vs others? IE battery, speakers, camera, etc?
Also, how long should you dry the phone in absorbent material before attempting to power it up again?
Before I sent the phone off to Samsung, I could at least get the phone to power up while plugged in.
Since I've received the phone back from Samsung, and have given it the alcohol / rice treatment, the phone won't power up at all...even plugged in.
Either way, the phone is dead I'm afraid. Since I'm not certain which components are working, and are not, I can't even sell the thing for spare parts. Most expensive paperweight I've ever owned!
RajCaj said:
Thanks for the advise....I will certainly handle things differently if this ever happens again.
Couple of quick questions, since you have experience with this stuff....
Is it possible for the 91% alcohol to further damage the device? Are there specific components that do okay in an alcohol bath vs others? IE battery, speakers, camera, etc?
Also, how long should you dry the phone in absorbent material before attempting to power it up again?
Before I sent the phone off to Samsung, I could at least get the phone to power up while plugged in.
Since I've received the phone back from Samsung, and have given it the alcohol / rice treatment, the phone won't power up at all...even plugged in.
Either way, the phone is dead I'm afraid. Since I'm not certain which components are working, and are not, I can't even sell the thing for spare parts. Most expensive paperweight I've ever owned!
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Cannot put in Alcohol if the battery is connected ....... Battery and any fluid = not good .... The other items really will not do anything ........ either way Go to Pandawill.com, Aliexpress.com, Dynamism.com or Chinawholesale.com one of those websites sells motherboards and other cell phone parts I think I saw them for like 80 bucks ......... worth looking into ..... Sorry the phone died...... good luck
You can buy it from aliexpress,amazon or HCQS
Just wanted to share my negative experience and may be get a piece of advise. I dropped my Galaxy S6 (not edge) into the water after which home button stopped working. Couple weeks later as home button were still not functioning I soaked my phone in 99.9% of isopropyl alcohol. Couple hours later half of screen stopped reacting to fingers, and a few hours screen become black. There were also significant damage to frond and back panel plastic base behind the glass - see photos. I still hear some notifications which gives me a hope that there are still some life in it. I also left phone in rise for 4 days with no improvement. Does anyone had such a negative experience with Alcohol soaking and what could be a solution if any?
zipper3 said:
Just wanted to share my negative experience and may be get a piece of advise. I dropped my Galaxy S6 (not edge) into the water after which home button stopped working. Couple weeks later as home button were still not functioning I soaked my phone in 99.9% of isopropyl alcohol. Couple hours later half of screen stopped reacting to fingers, and a few hours screen become black. There were also significant damage to frond and back panel plastic base behind the glass - see photos. I still hear some notifications which gives me a hope that there are still some life in it. I also left phone in rise for 4 days with no improvement. Does anyone had such a negative experience with Alcohol soaking and what could be a solution if any?
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If your phone is still acting like that or even died, you can open it up ( check youtube vids for dissasembly )
Take any clean alcohol..95%+ and ESD brush ( or toothbrush if you dont have any ) Take off any modules from your motherboard like microphones, cameras, usb board etc. Then gently clean everything with brush and alkohol. When you're finished - put it in electric oven if u have any for 1-2 hours in max 90 degrees temp. If not - use a hairdryer. Do same thing with usb board. Then put it back togheter and try.
My Z3 compact used to be waterproof and I used it several times under water, but it went back for a replacement button a while back and recently I dunked it to take a photo and within hours a dead strip appeared on the touch screen, and when plugging a jack into the headphone port results in the volume control fluctuating and music randomly pausing/starting etc.
There is a tiny, tiny chip on the rear screen which I assumed would mean Sony would reject any warranty claim, but having opened the phone, the chip was so tiny it was still outside/on the adhesive. Inside the phone there is no sign of water ingress, but for good measure its left open and sealed in a bag with large desiccant sachets for 72 hours, no improvement.
So, my dilemma is, if I reclose the phone with the replacement back cover I have from ReplaceBase, will Sony be any the wiser that its been cracked open?
(I could buy the LCD and digitiser for £70 but as the headphone port is a different component, I'm wary that this will not resolve the issues Also looking at 'spares or repair' phones on eBay, it seems plenty of them have replacement screens that have lifted or remain proud of the chassis...perhaps this is just lack of care during the replacement but its put me off...)
Spooky_b329 said:
My Z3 compact used to be waterproof and I used it several times under water, but it went back for a replacement button a while back and recently I dunked it to take a photo and within hours a dead strip appeared on the touch screen, and when plugging a jack into the headphone port results in the volume control fluctuating and music randomly pausing/starting etc.
There is a tiny, tiny chip on the rear screen which I assumed would mean Sony would reject any warranty claim, but having opened the phone, the chip was so tiny it was still outside/on the adhesive. Inside the phone there is no sign of water ingress, but for good measure its left open and sealed in a bag with large desiccant sachets for 72 hours, no improvement.
So, my dilemma is, if I reclose the phone with the replacement back cover I have from ReplaceBase, will Sony be any the wiser that its been cracked open?
(I could buy the LCD and digitiser for £70 but as the headphone port is a different component, I'm wary that this will not resolve the issues Also looking at 'spares or repair' phones on eBay, it seems plenty of them have replacement screens that have lifted or remain proud of the chassis...perhaps this is just lack of care during the replacement but its put me off...)
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I think you could probably have got away with sending it back with the screen chipped, it's just wear and tear, the issue was the waterproof feature had failed.
Now you've opened it I think it seems unlikely that you'll get it into a service centre unnoticed, but you won't know until you try. The obvious thing to do would be to put a genuine Sony back cover on the phone rather than a clone. If the service centre spot it then the worst thing that will happen is that they'll ask you for some horrendous amount of money to fix it, to which you'll decline, then they'll send it back.
It will cost you the postage to find out.
Otherwise there's dozens of how to videos on youtube and support from the threads here
Edit: a genuine Sony screen is expensive, but it comes with the double sided gasket that sticks the screen in place. This is the important part of the kit that makes sure it won't lift out. Sometimes it's worth paying the extra for original parts.
Very late update, tried it, it got repaired free and back very quickly, they even refitted the aftermarket rear cover!!
Sony's may be fragile, but my experience for two returns is very positive! Lesson - don't bother trying to fix it yourself until Sony have taken a look!
Spooky_b329 said:
Very late update, tried it, it got repaired free and back very quickly, they even refitted the aftermarket rear cover!!
Sony's may be fragile, but my experience for two returns is very positive! Lesson - don't bother trying to fix it yourself until Sony have taken a look!
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What country?
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What country?
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Yes, would be helpful to know which country... as I am having a hard time with the UK repair people.
They received my phone on 16th Sept. Week later get notified its delayed due to awaiting part. And yet they keep saying the same story everytime I ask and that it is escalated to know why the delay. 5 days since escalation but their support yet gives the sad response of awaiting part.
It was the UK...in my case the fix was prompt. Got be honest, I'd be getting frustrated at that length of delay...
It went back in June so maybe things have changed
It finally left the repair centre on 10th Oct. Says screen and case replaced. Seems fine. KK or Marshmallow is the decision to make now