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[Video]Froyo on nook color

WHO DID THIS??? and why isnt it here!!?
probably doesnt belong in dev section but this needs attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviopU8Ve-Y

wtf! I just got my nook color and was expecting to wait quite a while for a custom rom, but damn things are moving fast. Who did that? How? And why does no one here know about it?

Whoa. We have seen the future of the NC...and it shines! Now, how to get whoever did this on this board...

bobdude5 said:
WHO DID THIS??? and why isnt it here!!?
probably doesnt belong in dev section but this needs attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviopU8Ve-Y
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Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)

dark79 said:
Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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Ok, so I guess this doesn't apply to you then, right?
I, on the other hand, am very excited. Hopefully we can get the details of this soon. There was no proof that the android marketplace was functioning in the froyo build though, but I hope it is.

dark79 said:
Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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It's a step in a nice direction. Get the stock OS up and running and then figure out what's needed to perform upgrades to the Nook platform itself. If it is possible to upgrade the unit to Froyo that means that Bluetooth Keyboards should work and a number of other things. I would prefer not to lose the actual Nook look/feel of the device but I'm not going to ignore what is overall a positive step forward for the evolution of this device.
I'm really hoping the details on the WiFi controller chip were accurate, because the touch keyboard on this thing is REALLY getting annoying.

deeoh said:
Ok, so I guess this doesn't apply to you then, right?
I, on the other hand, am very excited. Hopefully we can get the details of this soon. There was no proof that the android marketplace was functioning in the froyo build though, but I hope it is.
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No, it still applies to me.
The BNN apps run over android 2.1. My point is that I'm hoping someone can pull the BNN apps to work OVER froyo so that I can still have the best of both worlds.
Shouldn't be too hard. After all, BNN already said they're releasing a froyo update early next year (rumors being January).

one question that comes to my mind that doesnt come up in the video, since the nook only has like 4 hardware buttons how do you control your back, home and menu controls? unless you Remap the volume buttons to do it

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one question that comes to my mind that doesnt come up in the video, since the nook only has like 4 hardware buttons how do you control your back, home and menu controls? unless you Remap the volume buttons to do it
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That's why you would use the SoftKeys APK that someone else on here has worked so diligently on. That way, the bottom bar of the nook becomes like a perma-softkey bar, that way you can pick between using the volume keys or the softkeys.
Anybody managed to talk to the guy who put up the video? Would love to know how he got that running, especially with Flash 10.1 on 2.2
EDIT: Here's the Softkey.APK and the thread I'm talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=860153&page=2

It's too bad that whomever did this didn't focus their camera very well.

Martimus said:
It's too bad that whomever did this didn't focus their camera very well.
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Agreed - you can only barely make out the 2.2.1. Wonder if it's real or a fake...

I saw some benchmarks of 2.1 vs 2.2 measured using linpack. 2.1 was about 7 while 2.2 was 30-40.
Will the nook enjoy this speed increase? Meaning because the nook is a little more lacking hardware wise, I'm wondering if this speed boost would be more noticeable on the nook (e..g smoothing scrolling, more responsive, etc)
Or is the graphics chip more responsible for these things?

sark666 said:
I saw some benchmarks of 2.1 vs 2.2 measured using linpack. 2.1 was about 7 while 2.2 was 30-40.
Will the nook enjoy this speed increase? Meaning because the nook is a little more lacking hardware wise, I'm wondering if this speed boost would be more noticeable on the nook (e..g smoothing scrolling, more responsive, etc)
Or is the graphics chip more responsible for these things?
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The nook's hardware is actually quite capable and with a proper clean froyo build, it should fly. The stock B&N build is garbage as far as optimizations and performance go. We have a cortex A8 (TI OMAP 3621) with a powerVR SGX 530, that should be plenty to have a nice android experience.
I'm sure linpack scores will improve with 2.2, but it seems snapdragon based devices get the best gains on linpack from going 2.1 to 2.2.

Good to hear it's a capable piece of hardware.
This will be my first android device so I'll read more about rooting etc. But once say a froyo 2.2 is out, can you retain the b&n software somehow, or is it one or the other?
I've heard some of the apps/functionality it provides is good. I'm more interested in this as a cheap first tablet so with a choice for one or the other, I'd wipe it and put froyo on it, but I was curious if even their apps can be brought over, if a side by side (dual boot?) install isn't possible. Or maybe off the sd card...
Off topic, but is there anything to manage multiple users? I can see my gf wanting to use it, and I'd rather not have her bookmarks files etc in mine.
I get the vibe all these devices are made for one user, but I've read posts about say a parent wanting to let their kid play with the device without concern they'd change anything.

sark666 said:
Good to hear it's a capable piece of hardware.
This will be my first android device so I'll read more about rooting etc. But once say a froyo 2.2 is out, can you retain the b&n software somehow, or is it one or the other?
I've heard some of the apps/functionality it provides is good. I'm more interested in this as a cheap first tablet so with a choice for one or the other, I'd wipe it and put froyo on it, but I was curious if even their apps can be brought over, if a side by side (dual boot?) install isn't possible. Or maybe off the sd card...
Off topic, but is there anything to manage multiple users? I can see my gf wanting to use it, and I'd rather not have her bookmarks files etc in mine.
I get the vibe all these devices are made for one user, but I've read posts about say a parent wanting to let their kid play with the device without concern they'd change anything.
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if the root method is the same as we have done before, yes we will be able to do it, basically a custom recovery will be created which will allow nand (internal memory) to be backedup and restored

yea, the stock B&N software is pretty poorly optimized but it's got good management and reading features (shelves, different colors and margin settings, social networking for quotes etc...), much better than the Nook app on Android and most other reader apps, the store works pretty well and it does B&N magazines and kid books. Some of the non-readers out there might not notice the difference, but it's there.

sadly i dont think B&N understand the idea of optimization i got almost twice the performance on my original nook last year just by optimizing the .apks with zipalign and optiPNG havnt had a chance to test it on the NC because well im lazy and too busy actually using it

dark79 said:
Interesting. But I don't want to lose the original nookColor features as I bought the NC as an ereader primarily and I already have purchased books and magazines on the device. (And no, the nook android app isn't suitable as it doesn't have all the features of the NC such as magazines)
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Me too, I use it as a reader and media player next.
But I'm paying close attention to what this device can do...

Will the nook get some honey?

Here is a thread that will be all about speculation..
I saw the honeycomb and it was smoking!!! What are the chances that the guys here will get it on the nook? And if yes, how it will run? Given that it only have a 800Mhz processor (1Ghz overclocked).
Looking forward for any opinions

I hope so, but that's a good bit away. Honeycomb uses on screen buttons, so our hardware button deficiencies would go away, if it were possible.

IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.

10equals2 said:
IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.
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There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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paleh0rse said:
There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..

spikey911 said:
That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..
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why not......

elcape said:
why not......
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Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.

Is it bringing something amazing to the table? Haven't even bothered looking at honey just because the GUI stuff everyone likes looks ugly as hell.
Nook color was my first android device so I prefer the simple notification bar at the bottom, as well as using a taskmanager to kill/switch apps.
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spikey911 said:
Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.
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I hope you realize that the fine folks at Cyanogen are already working on a NC version of CyanogenMOD version 7 -- which is a Gingerbread (2.3) rom. Some of their best devs are on it, and they've even gotten it to boot already!
So, don't be surprised when you see 2.3 sooner, rather than later...
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The Honeycomb Conundrum

Let me preface this by saying that I have nothing but the utmost respect for the dev community (NC and otherwise) and I really don't mean to step on any toes with this. I'm fairly new at all this and I've got some questions.
Alright, so as we've all heard by now, Google (whether their reasons are benevolent or not) are withholding the AOSP release of Honeycomb and that kind of rains on everyone's nook color parade. We've got a mostly working port of HC that kind of sags in the performance area. Its almost been enough to make me flash Gingerbread but there are a few things - namely the browser, email app, soft keys and notification system - that I'd miss. The new + screen is nice, but I've been using launcher pro as it runs seemingly faster than the stock launcher, so I'm already missing out on that.
Now, from what I understand, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, deeperblue's HC port uses parts of Gingerbread to make everything all hunky dory.
My question is this; would a viable solution to slow HC performance be to make a new rom and pump MORE Gingerbread in? i.e. Take HC's notification system replace GB's phone-style notification pane. Make it mostly gingerbread with some tablet friendly nip/tucks here and there.
I realize there are things like softkeys and the bottom taskbar mod, but HC's handling of the android buttons and the new notification system is just so appealing. Its making the choice of which rom to run unduly difficult. And while I can't cook a rom, I'm hoping someone who can sees this and runs with it, if it is feasible, that is.

Truthfully... It's up in the air like everything else, unless a DEV directly comes out of the shadows and saids, hey i'm going to do it... Then we just won't know. Honestly, I'm sad that we won't see HC right around the corner, but CM7 is pretty awesome. And the Xoom is scheduled to drop down to $599 (Wifi only) today, making it a lot more competitive than the 3g.
That's not to say that I personally have $599 to drop and go buy a new tablet, but it does mean that you'll probably see them on craigslist or ebay in a few months for a bit cheaper. =\

The honey comb preview is awsome but to many apps don't work.

Tyfighter said:
My question is this; would a viable solution to slow HC performance be to make a new rom and pump MORE Gingerbread in?
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That was kinda the plan. CM7 development was going in a way that all the improvements (Bluetooth, partially working DSP, an accelerated interface) were going to be directly ported to Honeycomb once the source released. But without the source, that can't happen.
Basically Google has completely screwed any Nook Color fans wanting Honeycomb.
The only improvement that can be made is that a ROM could be made from the final SDK. That would be just as laggy, and will lack new features (Bluetooth, DSP, etc.), but it would be able to use Android tablet apps.
From the conversation about Google's move on the net, many are saying there won't be a Honeycomb source at all, and the next source dump will come with Ice Cream months from now.
So Honeycomb fans have a choice- either try out the CM7 modification that you talked about to make CM7 more Honeycomb-like, or start saving up for that Xoom...

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The honey comb preview is awsome but to many apps don't work.
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what apps dont work? most of the major ones have worked for me so far...
im finding that the hc rom is very usable for a daily driver...although bluetooth and dsp support would be very nice...

nolook said:
what apps dont work? most of the major ones have worked for me so far...
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Any Tablet app that requires the final SDK version (aka all those Xoom apps) won't work on our preview build.

poofyhairguy said:
Any Tablet app that requires the final SDK version (aka all those Xoom apps) won't work on our preview build.
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Thank you for your informative reply.
It seems now that my best bet is going to be t see what the cm7 guys cook up. Hopefully this aosp business will spark some of the innovation that the android community is known for. I'd love to help, but its not exactly my forte
With regards to what apps aren't working, my marketplace only seems to intall apps when the stars are right. I often have to attempt an install upwards of five times to have it succeed, if it even does. Otherwise i get insufficient storage errors or indeterminate error 18

sorry if i am hijacking this a bit, but i had thought that android was 'open source'. why the change in the plans to not release hc? is this to protect the hw manufacturers like mot who have hc on the xoom, and freeze out users who want it ported non supported platforms? Otherwise, I can't understand the logic.
I got the nc cause i had thought it had the best $/performance of any android based tablet. For half the price of others, it had great screen, and forgetting bt, etc., nice hw specs. With hc, it would be fantastic!
How else to counter ipads if not to get hc on as many tablets as possible?

I wonder if the fact that the playbook is running our apps has anything to do with it. If so, I don't mind anything that makes it rough for RIM.
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jbinbi said:
sorry if i am hijacking this a bit, but i had thought that android was 'open source'. why the change in the plans to not release hc? is this to protect the hw manufacturers like mot who have hc on the xoom, and freeze out users who want it ported non supported platforms? Otherwise, I can't understand the logic.
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It is open source and it WILL be released however at this time they don't think it's ready for final release (I've heard of various tweaks they need to make in the xoom) and are working those out prior to releasing it to devs

Is Nook Color in Limbo, or are we at the cusp?

Is Nook Color in Limbo, or are we at the cusp of something new?
I hope development for the Nook Color has not stagnated. Are we waiting for the new kernel or is there just nothing new on the horizon?
I am just wondering because I have been watching and waiting and it appears development has slowed up for the time being. Not implying anything, just looking to see if something new and wonderful is on the horizon???
I was so looking forward to Honeycomb and it seems Google has pulled the rug out from under us in some back room deal.
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What are you talking about? In limbo? Bluetooth, recent video fixes, new overclocked kernels, work on the next coming edition of kernel to prevent SOD. Man, you must be out of the loop or really impatient.

The Release Candidate of CM7 came out recently. That means a final release is eminent. That final release should include all these awesome tablet tweaks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002000
I don't know why you say development is slowing down. I have been flashing a new ROM everyday thanks to mad-murdock!

Im sorry, but what ARE you talking about? In the last month, both hardware accelleration for video and bluetooth were turned on. CM7 has reached release candidate stage, and our devs have said that work is progressing on both a newer kernel version, as well as fixes to the few remaining bugs. Maybe you should actually read some of those nifty development threads around here...
If i am coming off as rude... perhaps that is the intent. There are so many needless threads like this, where some reading and critcal thinking could answer alot of questions. I mean.. developent stopped? As it is, things are ramping up, and a quick read of the forum would show that. Add in the constant misleading talk about what the nook can and can't do, and it is rather frustrating. So yeah, I am venting, but i think it is well deserved.

On the contrary, I think that things are happening real fast. CM7 is heading for a stable release, Mad Murdock's tablet tweaks are a real innovation, as are brianf21's froyo status bar improvements, and real progress is being made in the kernel area - blue tooth, hardware acceleration, etc.
What more can we ask for?

only HC is at a minor hump, the rest are busy, and b&n update is dropping soon. you crazy!

had to chime in to see what the op is smoking...
cm7: hardware video acceleration, tablet tweaks, bluetooth, kernel mods.
froyo: status bar tweaks, 'nookie-comb' looks nice, new official rom coming soon
honeycomb: who cares. google screwed that one up so we wait for IC.

Honestly, right now I'm in limbo about WHICH custom, daily updated, feature rich build to use !
Rooted Stock is good enough for what I do, but then a few games didn't work... so i went to froyo... then tried CM7... then a custom froyo, then another CM7... (and a few hardlocks and flash to stocks in between)..
At this point i just want a "1.0" release of CM7, or for HC to become available... although i'm sure the weeks following HC will be daily build after daily build.
p.s. kinda jealous about the $300 Tegra2 tablet floating around.

Divine_Madcat said:
Im sorry, but what ARE you talking about? In the last month, both hardware accelleration for video and bluetooth were turned on. CM7 has reached release candidate stage, and our devs have said that work is progressing on both a newer kernel version, as well as fixes to the few remaining bugs. Maybe you should actually read some of those nifty development threads around here...
If i am coming off as rude... perhaps that is the intent. There are so many needless threads like this, where some reading and critcal thinking could answer alot of questions. I mean.. developent stopped? As it is, things are ramping up, and a quick read of the forum would show that. Add in the constant misleading talk about what the nook can and can't do, and it is rather frustrating. So yeah, I am venting, but i think it is well deserved.
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What madcat said
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roflmao
You want limbo?
My new Droid 2 Global has just one rom which works with global sim capability- flashed it shortly after I got it and no updates since.
Another crew did get D2 roms working on the D2G but no sim card use.
Nothing for months now...
My original DROID has more development work going on than THAT!
The NC has been fairly exciting as far as dev work since Christmas and the last month has been incredible...
I even saw a post fairly recently that leads me to think some folks are working on USB host.... Crossing my fingers on that one.
The last two weeks we have even had a guy working on tweaks for tablets that pretty much makes Honeycomb's issues irrelevant as far as I am concerned.
I'd say that is pretty good.

Sorry, not the intended result.
I guess I am waiting for BN to come out with Android 2.2, I wasn't denegrating all the hard work that has gone on here. A couple of developments have kinda skewed my perceptions, one of which is Honeycomb source being yanked, and the other is of course the expected update from BN not materializing yet... I guess I am getting a little impatient. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I am using Nookie Froyo at the moment and it is working, however I really liked Stock 1.1.0. but with the NC using Android 2.1 I can't do some things I'd like to do. It just seems to me that BN is dragging their feet. Hence my concerns.

As I understood your original post you are waiting for the official 2.2, not a developer build.
The last rumor that I heard (from these forums) was that it was to go out this month. (but that was a rumor)

Not really sure why people are flaming the OP so hard. Besides CM7 nook color development has practically stopped dead in its tracks. HC is stuck, froyo has been dead for a while.
So i can see how it seems that way unless you watch CM7 development it does look very dead. CM7 is usable enough that froyo is not really relevant and with googles decision to not open source HC means its pretty much dead in the water.

Actually with Tablet Tweaks, CM7 is still seeing updates almost every day. And there's I believe an Experimental Kernel hiding in the CM7 User Thread which seems to have cleaned up the Battery Life on CM7.
As far as the official 2.2 update... Who needs it when you've got CM7? I mean, even if it does come out and we nooter it, it's still not going to do everything that CM7's custom rom can.
HoneyComb, yeah it sucks that it's not coming out right away. And I was pretty upset myself, but with tablets coming out (with similar prices to the nook) that have HC already... I can wait.

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Not really sure why people are flaming the OP so hard. Besides CM7 nook color development has practically stopped dead in its tracks. HC is stuck, froyo has been dead for a while.
So i can see how it seems that way unless you watch CM7 development it does look very dead. CM7 is usable enough that froyo is not really relevant and with googles decision to not open source HC means its pretty much dead in the water.
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Why waste any more time (right now) on anything BUT CM7? I mean, yes, Froyo and Eclair are dead in the water, but that is good; it just means all the devs are working on the best system we have. When HC source drops, i expect most work on CM7 to dry up, and again move to the better OS.
So yes, dev is on one OS right now, but my oh my, what sweet dev it is. If you call that stagnation, you are crazy..

I'm eager for the bn update just because I like to actually us my nook as an ereader rather than just a tablet. I'm a big fan of the mags and the kid books. Besides, I get my cm7 fix on my dinc.
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Gin1212 said:
Actually with Tablet Tweaks, CM7 is still seeing updates almost every day. And there's I believe an Experimental Kernel hiding in the CM7 User Thread which seems to have cleaned up the Battery Life on CM7.
As far as the official 2.2 update... Who needs it when you've got CM7? I mean, even if it does come out and we nooter it, it's still not going to do everything that CM7's custom rom can.
HoneyComb, yeah it sucks that it's not coming out right away. And I was pretty upset myself, but with tablets coming out (with similar prices to the nook) that have HC already... I can wait.
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if you know of such a kernel can you link to it?
Also if stock goes to 2.2 and gives us all ability to play flash and the extr speed improvements of a JIT compiler ad can then be nootered and overclocked, why would one need CM7? This way you also get the ui from B&N which includes built in back and menu buttons. It also includes the full B&N experience for reading magazines subscriptions books......You los that on custom Roms.
So while I laud the Devs work, getting nook color to froyo might make much of their work unnecessary, unless it gives them a better platform to make the NC even better.

Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..

Divine_Madcat said:
Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..
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I really hope someone manages to port over the slick reader app from stock to CM7.
I like reading on my nook but not at the cost of such horrible performance in everything else.

Divine_Madcat said:
Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..
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Bluetooth works awful at best.
Regular headset doesn't work and range is a foot.
So far most people have keyboard trouble. Seems ext. bluettoh gps seems to be the best bet. So for me a stock rom with all the current missing goodies fixed with nooter and o/c?
I'd be happy.
Outside of bluetooth, if you had fully supported 2.2 on your device so hardware accel video and flash worked perfectly and yet you still had the B&N experience when you wanted it for free instore reading and subscriptions .....what else would you really want?

What's next for stock rooted development?

I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.

Kayak83 said:
I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.

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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*

Kayak83 said:
Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
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Sorry, but that is crazy. The bluetooth is incredibly useful. It allows me to use the Nook as a standalone nav device (and let me tell you, nav on a 7" rocks), or use my bluetooth speaker set. The battery life is fine for what it is. even overclocked, i have never run out of battery in a heavy days use. Charge at night, and i am good to go. I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
Kayak83 said:
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
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I am talking as a consumer as well. I hated the changes B&N made to the Android look and feel. I understand it was done with the goal of making it an eReader, but given an alternative, i had no desire to keep it. Even benchmarks aside, Ginerbread has always felt faster (and has better app and memory management).
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*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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I have no problems with discussion.

Divine_Madcat said:
I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.

dsf3g said:
Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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The reader is the only reason I can justify having a tablet. The Transformer is REALLY tempting but I can't really find a specific use aside from the "because I can," attitude.

Hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Madcat on this one. CM7 is a constantly growing project with lots of development support. Stock is... Well stock... You may never see another update for it and I don't feel it comes with anywhere near as much customization.
If you're truly happy with an "eReader" than updates are silly past Manualnooter. It's overclocked and you can read just fine. If you want a "tablet" that's why there's CM7.
That said, had I just wanted an eReader, I would have just bought a Nook or Kindle, battery life is far better for those, and you can easily read your books. Like Madcat said, it's very easy to use the Nook Color heavily (overclocked to 1.3ghz on .29 kernel/Debateable on .32 till PBD is fixed) for a whole day and charge at night. I don't think you're going to see much better even on Stock...
Bluetooth... Silly? LOL, the only thing missing from the Nook color is video out, and I would have a highly portable video game system for vacations, family get togethers, etc.. As Madcat also mentioned, bluetooth gps is pretty awesome on this screen, makes me regret recently buying a TomTom.
But you're also forgetting USB host support that will soon be baked in, allowing the nook to use external usb keybords, mouses, webcams(possibly?), video game controllers and hard drives!
Something goes wrong with CM7 you have a lot of dev support and other user support. Something breaks in Stock and you have the manual spoken to you in verbatim, with an Indian Accent and an American name.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Not sure why it hasn't ended for video... Overclock it and use Moboplayer and you can easily watch videos. That or learn to encode videos with handbrake to the specs of the nook color for hardware acceleration.
As far as the Nook App goes... I don't really read books outside of pdfs, so correct me if I'm wrong... But couldn't you use other programs like Kindle? or Moon Reader or Aikido?

I'm a little confused about the Bluetooth usability comments. Has the extremely short range issue been resolved and I missed it?
Personally I did want a device that was mostly an eReader with added capability. A rooted/over-clocked Nook Color running Smart Taskbar, Button Savior and a few other goodies fits that bill. Sure the user interface is not Android but that wasn't my intent from the start.
If the Bluetooth range can be/has been resolved, that would be icing on the cake if it gets ported to the rooted NC.If Bluetooth range while using WiFi is still sub par, I wouldn't describe it as very useful even if I were running CM7.
Even though we're on XDA, not all of us are interested in constantly tinkering with our toys all the time. If that is your thing, I say more power to you but there is no call to ridicule others who are looking for something different. Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe

PuterGeek said:
Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Who's being rude? Seems pretty civil so far.

I just nooted last night with the lastest MN and Dalingrin's 2.6.32 OC kernel and let me tell you I am as happy as I can be. I did consider CM7 or Phiremod which I think are great but then I realized I am using this baby more for ereading than anything else.
I do like the BN reader launcher and I want to enjoy it a little bit more, the OC brings new life to it (is laggy as hell out of the box). I have now installed around 50 apps including ADW EX, customized it to my taste and to be frank regarding UI I have it to the level CM7 or Phiremod is. I can't imagine it faster than it is (it actually beats my Cognition 4 Samsung Galaxy S in feel and in Quadrant 1800 vs 2300 for the nook).
So I might change later but my needs are fulfilled for now, same situation with my Galaxy S, until CM7 is stable over there I'm sticking with stable froyo Cog goodness.