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Guys,
I have been dealing with WM devices now since years, but one thing I still have not figured out is in regards to the Phone downlink volume.
Not talkking about system or ringer volume, but the volume that you hear from the internal speaker when you are on a call.
ATOM had horribly low volume, BREEZE was great, and TRINITY again is much too low volume to be able to carry a conversation in a noisy place. (and there are plenty of these in Asia... ;-)
Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine in a normal environment like office or home. i don't want to have to carry around a headset or use the speakerphone option all the time.
I wonder where the base volume is controlled in a ROM ?
Is it limited by hardware?
Is it something that is controlled in the driver DLL's?
How can it be influenced (upwards/louder)?
Registry settings are already at max so I am out of options.
Maybe it is just that i am getting old, but this really annoys me a lot to have a great phone and not being able to hear what the other party has to say.
Ollie.
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hmmmm
£20?
wow,
I am really happy with my HT 820 but this looks great and small!
I would really be interested in getting one......
Maybe PM me or email.>?
Or post?
Why does every body oohing and ahhing about this piece of junk? IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!!.... Let me repeat. IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!! So the only way for you to get call notification is to either wear the ear pieces all the time or turn on your Athena default ear shattering notification sound. Now, I understand that a lot of you think that no one will ever call you or the line of work that you're in will never ever require you to attend any meeting at work so the default loud Athena notification is not a problem. But think again!!!! On that rare occasion when the hooker you paid to go out on a date with you calls, you will find yourself looking like an IDIOT emitting that horrible stupid default call notification sound that came with the Athena. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY BUYING THIS PIECE OF SH*T.
The only stereo BT headset that also vibrates up until now is the Jabra BT8010.
sumtingwong said:
Why does every body oohing and ahhing about this piece of junk? IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!!.... Let me repeat. IT DOES NOT VIBRATE!!!! So the only way for you to get call notification is to either wear the ear pieces all the time or turn on your Athena default ear shattering notification sound. Now, I understand that a lot of you think that no one will ever call you or the line of work that you're in will never ever require you to attend any meeting at work so the default loud Athena notification is not a problem. But think again!!!! On that rare occasion when the hooker you paid to go out on a date with you calls, you will find yourself looking like an IDIOT emitting that horrible stupid default call notification sound that came with the Athena. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY BUYING THIS PIECE OF SH*T.
The only stereo BT headset that also vibrates up until now is the Jabra BT8010.
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We all got your point dude. Perhaps a bit nicer way could be a better way of informing and putting your point across. This is a forum to share information, where manners would be nice (other than info).
-Red-
Red_Toyol said:
We all got your point dude. Perhaps a bit nicer way could be a better way of informing and putting your point across. This is a forum to share information, where manners would be nice (other than info).
-Red-
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Manner would be spending a minute searching for more info (problems, etc...) about the item one is thinking of posting that have been reported time after time after time after time... up here before starting another thread tricking people into buying junks....
I'm with you Red_Toyol.
I bought this headset and the Jaba but took the Jaba back after a few days in favour of this one for two main reasons. First, the sound quality on the Sony-Ericsson is definitely better, both on Music and both ways on calls. Secondly, the wires for the earpieces act as the necklace so you wear it round your neck (and inside your shirt) and it only comes out when needed.
Now, since using it for some 4 months now, I can give you a couple of other pointers.
The DS970 has caller display so I can see who's calling before I answer. OK, it's number only (there's probebly a fix for names) but I'm good with that.
Also, I charge mine once every two weeks or so. That's as I use it only now and then for music but for phone calls all the time. However, I leave the BT on the Ameo ALL the time but switch off the headset when not using it. That's because, when the phone rings (and I only have 20seconds before switching to answer machine), I have time to power up the headset (about 5 secs including logon to Ameo) and answer. When call finished, I hang up and switch off.
If you do this, you get sooo much battery life for no convenience loss AND it means vibrate would be useless anyway.
Each to their own I suppose but I am so pleased with this bit of kit. IF you need vibrate, look elsewhere. If not, this is the best IMHO.
Oh, and as for the ringing, why would you use the default ringer anyway? I have my own ringtones for various purposes and when I get a call, my Ameo rings as if I didn't have a headset. The only difference is I can choose at that point which method to answer by.
Hope this is helpful to those searching. Cheers.
DS970 indeed looks like quite an ideal BT headset.
Vibration is completely unnecessary for me also. Even if I have such a function, I won't use it. The reason is this. If I'm outdoor, I want normal ringtone to come through from the phone's speaker. If I'm in the meeting, I would just switch via profile into one of those "special ringtone". Special ringtone could be mosquitoe ringtone (ultrasonic frequency ringtone which I can hear but some others can't), sound of coughing, or even sound of a vibrating phone, etc. Something that sounds acceptable from etiqeutte standpoint. In addition, my profile would have set the ringing to go from soft to progressively loud. There is no need to actually vibrate.
I like the style of the phone where you can hide it in your shirt with only two wires hanging out. It is much better than hanging it on the ear, which looks really wierd in my own opinion.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Beware of fake HBH DS970 from ebay sellers.
I did a quick research on this, and noted that many have bought from Hong Kong sellers mainly, but some are out of US too.
If you have it very cheap, it's likely to be a fake.
Attached are some articles related to these fake items.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=137266&start=0
http://213.19.178.16/se/
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-counte...000003518644?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:3
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-SE-HBH...000003829178?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:4
Tritton - Another Option
Here is another option I came across while looking for a BT solution. The Tritton relies on the housing to clip on your pocket, shirt or coat but I have also used it with a lanyard when wearing a t-shirt. It also allows you the option of using any stereo headset with a 3.5 mm plug.
It is a very clean, mimimalist design (no blinking blue light) with an OLED display and Caller ID (number only) to conserve battery and relies on only 3 buttons for all the functions. So far it has worked very well with the Advantage and the range for both headset and stereo functions has been excellent with no static or popping at all. You can actually keep your device in your pocket, bag or briefcase without any degradation to audio quality. The only con is that there is not vibration feature.
I purchased mine at Tiger Direct for less than $100.
While trying to source for DS980, I came across DS220, which seems to be similar to DS980 except you're free to plug in your 3.5mm earphone of your choice if you wish.
Has anyone used this before? If so, how is the sound quality?
Anyone knows if there are other differences between DS980 and DS220?
bizarre this thread should appear as i bought some of these this very day for 40 quid from Cex, though they are brand new and CERTAINLY not fake. certainly if they are available for twenty quid il be gutted!! they seem to work fine. sound quality is great and i dont feel like a **** wearing them. all good then. the only thing i havent figured is whether i can get it to automatically open up media player when i press play. i also cant get it to work with my n95 - after pairing it just says 'unable to connect'. stupid n95.
eaglesteve said:
While trying to source for DS980, I came across DS220, which seems to be similar to DS980 except you're free to plug in your 3.5mm earphone of your choice if you wish.
Has anyone used this before? If so, how is the sound quality?
Anyone knows if there are other differences between DS980 and DS220?
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my main gripe with the sony units is that they have their own propriety charger connection, a kinda bastardised Sony phone charger.
IMHO the tritton unit is much better, recently upgraded to one from a hbh-ds970
i guess it all depends on each other's preferences. some like the headset to vibrate, some like it hanging via neckstrap, etc.
this is what i've been using for 2 years now:
http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02030
it's an r35 itech unit. i use the white one and i like it for the following:
- no need to hang it in your ear all the time
- minimalistic and you can hide it in your shirt collar...or clip it
- has a built in buzzer that i can hear even when outdoors. when a call comes there are 2 beeps that go off. they won't stop until i answer or the caller hangs up
- my x7500 is either in my laptop bag, the diaper bag or in a backpack. so this saves me the trouble of carrying it all the time
- during meetings, i can disable the buzzer and change the notification to rapid light mode. basically, i leave it on the table so when a call comes through the normal flashing light turns to 2 rapid flashes
- i can change the single earphone to dual for a2dp stereo use. the headset also allows me to skip to the next track or go back to the previous, etc
- and i can plug my nifty bose noise cancelers on it as well
cheers
I really cant understand why no one does the following:
a2dp
usb chrging
option for using your own headphones
vibrate
full caller id- not just number
sms viewing
full music controls
mp3 id tag display
lanyard or clip on option
equaliser controls
oled
wm and symbian compatitibilty
Surely it can't be that difficult- I just wanna be able to leave my Ameo in my pocket until I choose to take it out
I found this article and I told myself that a developer could find his happiness there
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/07/10/NoiseDetection/default.aspx?loc=en
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"You're sitting in the local coffee shop on a sunny afternoon, peacefully enjoying a quiet moment, when your phone starts to ring. It's set, of course, to full volume and the ring is so loud you nearly spill your coffee. So you turn it down.
Later that day, you're waiting at a bar for a friend, but he's nowhere to be seen. He'd forgotten which bar you were meeting at and called to see where you were. Unfortunately, you missed the call because you didn't hear your phone ring. The problem: the ring volume was still turned down and wasn't loud enough to hear in the noisy bar.
This is fairly ridiculous when you consider that current mobile phones have as much processing power as the first PC I used for multi-channel audio recording. It would seem that with today's intelligent mobile devices, which are capable of doing so many things and accessing so much information, this problem should not exist. However, everyone who has a mobile phone has experienced this problem in one form or another.
The obvious way to solve the problem is to remember to change your volume settings. The option to change the ring volume is presumably to deal with the acoustic differences in various environments, but the functionality does not really do that. Devices should be able to act with a little more common sense. It's simple: I just want my mobile phone not to ring too loudly in a quiet environment and to ring audibly in a loud place.
This article addresses the possibilities and practicality of a Windows Mobile® application that automatically adjusts the Pocket PC's ring level based on the ambient noise in its current environment. The functionality of this app prevents the phone from ringing too loudly or softly, saving me from embarrassment and missed calls. In this article, I'll use this problem as an introduction to Windows Mobile development using Visual Studio® 2005 and C#."
WOW! This would really be a great solution!
No more dicking about with profiles and Volumes hehe!
Sadly, despite the immense processing power of today's phones, they are slower than the cell phones 10 years ago. Why? Fine, we're doing a lot more with them, but still, if i can put linux on my P400 and surf the net and play 3d games and even change the screen orientation within less than a quarter second... then why can't my phone do that... and maybe even do it better?
Is it too much to ask to have a zippy menu interface and nearly instant screen orientation changes?
Sorry, this rant is a bit off topic. You are entirely correct. Our phones could have been doing this for at least a decade... but sadly, only companies like apple seem to want to invest in innovative products (I own a kaiser, not an iphone... so dont get on my case with an apple rant, ok?)
How will this help when the phone is in your pocket and it either hears nothing so rings very quietly, or hears a thunderstorm of noise from the keys and change it is rattling around with?
while(!(linux)){wm} said:
Sadly, despite the immense processing power of today's phones, they are slower than the cell phones 10 years ago. Why? Fine, we're doing a lot more with them, but still, if i can put linux on my P400 and surf the net and play 3d games and even change the screen orientation within less than a quarter second... then why can't my phone do that... and maybe even do it better?
Is it too much to ask to have a zippy menu interface and nearly instant screen orientation changes?
Sorry, this rant is a bit off topic. You are entirely correct. Our phones could have been doing this for at least a decade... but sadly, only companies like apple seem to want to invest in innovative products (I own a kaiser, not an iphone... so dont get on my case with an apple rant, ok?)
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My,,, haven't we grown impatient over the years. I can remember when a dial up modem and a 9600 connection were killer.
I can barely play a podcast or song without it skipping around and sounding terrible. I’ve looked around for possible a2dp fixes, but cant seem to find anything that works. I tried the cab fix floating around, and it seemed to make it worse...
Anyone else having this issue, or know of a fix?
Ill even try a new ROM if need be. I’m current running the latest stock AT&T ROM at the moment.... haven’t tried any homebrew stuff on the tilt yet. I just broke open my old 8125 and installed WM6.1 with the touch flow cube... that was cool!
Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.
DarkDvr said:
Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.
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Wow... Dont use one... Great idea... Thanks for the advice.
Im gunna go return my Tilt and grab one of those bag phones off eBay today. Screw technology....
I haven't had an issue streaming internet radio over my S9's, on the old or new ROM. There are some BT tweaks in advanced config though...
-Jay
You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20
pittaman said:
You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20
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Advanced config is a similar program to Kaiser Tweak. It is made by Shapp's. You mentioned that you saw it in your Dutty ROM. Dutty may have baked that Shapp's goodness right in...
-Jay
Bull****...Here's your problem
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
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I agree. I wear mine to the gym. I stream internet radio over an HSDPA connection on my Tilt to the S9's. I can't stand when I forget to bring my S9's and I have to use a wired headset with an mp3 player. The wires really annoy me.
-Jay
mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
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I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?
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I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?
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I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.
nomarhits400 said:
I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.
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Huh... didnt think about that.... although i usually have wifi off anyway.... ill double check
At least its more widespread than i thought.... is it just an A2DP issuie? it didnt seem to do it with a regular BT headset for talking.... and using the s9 for a conversation didnt seem to suffer the same issuie either... just sterio audio...
Still Having issues
Wireless is off and bit pool is down to 64 but I still have the "skipping" issue about 3 or 4 times a song
Hmmm
Yeah i have the settings set like suggested, but still have the issue when the device is obstructed.... I suppose thats just the nature of the beast. Not sure what else to do...
Will a different radio version provide different bluetooth performance?
Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!
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Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!
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I found some posts saying to delete the reg keys involving min and max bitpool, and that seemed to help somewhat... and it seem slike after the first bit of skippage, it seems to be fine.... all this and I havent had time to hit the gym to really try it out yet lol... Ill report back when I know more real world testing... on my desk seemed fine...
S9's are just crap. I have a set, and I hate mine, due to the constant interruptions unless there is direct line of sight between the transmitter and the receiver, and the pressure they put on my ears while still being very loose at the same time.
Not recommended.
Surur
Well, here is the report back! I'm still pleased. Tonight I gave them a real work out streaming audio through WMP since it's the biggest memory hog, surfing the net using Opera Mobile via a WiFi connection, logged into Skype and MSN and occasionally sending/receiving SMS. There was one heck of a lag whilst sliding the keyboard out. i could type SMS, but it took a few seconds for the screen to catch up. Im not dissapointed since all the other apps were running in the background at the time and would have all been reformatting for the switch to landscape mode. However, the S9's were perfect. No jumping, skipping, or lagging at any point, and I could use the headset audio controls without delay no matter what else was being done to the phone.
All in all, a great set of headphones and I reckon will give me 5 days of use based on around 4hours a day of music use. However the Kaiser is only just lasting a day now I'm using approx 5hours of the screen being constantly on, with 3 hours being WiFi use, and 4 being streaming music. Bigger battery time and larger memory card me thinks! (Larger card, cos I want to store more music than a 2GB card will let me!)
Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.
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Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.
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That's all I've ever used the S9's for is going to the gym. I usually either have the Tilt in the cupholder of the treadmill, or otherwise I have it on the floor at my feet while I'm using another piece of equipment. Never had any problems with it.
-Jay
For what it's worth, I own both a pair of S9's and a pair of Motorola HT820's. As much as I love the size and styling of the S9's, they do not hold a candle to the HT820's.
As mentioned in previous posts, I believe that the BT antenna on the S9's is extremely weak, and perhaps they lack a large buffer for streamed audio? What leads me to suspect this is that when using my HT820's, I can go a long distance from my device without skipping or interruption, even having music play on for a few seconds after going outside of what I would reasonably think their range would be.
With my S9's, all I need to do is turn my head the wrong way to have skipping.
If I was buying again, I would never spend money on the S9 headset again. Try as you might, tweaking out out device settings won't really fix your reception.
Anyhow, that's my $0.02
I am really trying to like this phone even after the mango update..
But I can not understand a few things..
The Volume on this phone is crap There is no way in hell it will ever wake me up using the alarm, My droid I was able to set whatever I wanted to any ringtone or alarm ( my own music) and I was able to make the volume loud enough to actually hear it..
Microphone input why can we not use the microphone anywhere there is a input field? why can we only long press the windows logo or use it for sms? evidently it is built into the OS just fine for voice to txt why not use it across the whole os on any text input field?
No flash?
GPS navigation is piss poor unless you dump 35$ on the Garmin suite.. believe me i have tried every trial and free app this week and they all do not compare to Google maps free on the android..
Also again SOUND unless you drive with NO fan on in the car, no music, and windows rolled up and on a quiet street you will not hear the GPS telling you where to turn.
Battery life:
wow all you have to do is send a few messages and browse the web for less then 5 minutes and you are at a 1/4 power loss ...
Think it is time to head back over to android land where i was able to use the microphone for a lot more voice input...
was able to set ringtone to music I liked and was ABLE TO HEAR IT
was able to HEAR MY alarm clock
was able to HEAR the gps software that was superior and FREE
You could have saved yourself a lot of time, stress and possibly money by reading the posts in this forum which have discussed the points you mentioned about dozens of times.
I feel your pain, I bought a HD7 on launch day and sold it a week later. There weren't any reviews available back then but now, almost a year after launch, all the issues in your post at widely known.
When did you get your HD7?
re: Volume - I've never had an issue with this
re: Nav - GPS Tuner.com's "Turn By Turn" is great and cheap ($5.49 Aussie - Less everywhere else in the world)
re: Battery life - I find it the same as every power hungry smartphone I've owned... I'm used to charging once a day
A lot of the other issues you state will likely be resolved soon... But most you list are WP7 issues rather than HD7 issues...
Perhaps android is more suitable...