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real choppy video recording?

Is this a known issue with the Tilt?
Video recording and playback is like a slidshow.
Slingbox mobile app plays back fine though.

I think it's due to the poor graphics chip driver that I keep hearing about.

I'm sorry, I will be leaving this forum after tonight. With great joy to the minority!!
I am amazed that a question (by a member that joined 4 days ago ) is answered so quickly (by a member that joined yesterday) with his first post with such a reply.
First you should ask, was your video done in daylight or indoors/nightime because virtually NO pda camera can do this in low-light conditions without supporting light.

Farsquidge said:
First you should ask, was your video done in daylight or indoors/nightime because virtually NO pda camera can do this in low-light conditions without supporting light.
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Yup, very few PDA/ phone cameras (for example, the Sony-Ericsson camera series phones; the newer Nokia models (N93(i), N95, E90, N82 etc) are able to record with 25(+) fps indoors.
Ordinary HTC phones / PDA's don't and have never been able to, in any model (I have several) - that is, this doesn't seem to be a driver issue. HTC still needs to learn a lot from the other mobile manufacturers...

Camera : Low quality sound recorded?

Hi,
Been 2 months now i have my TyTn II, looking at XDADev, i was able to answer all the questions i had but ... i still don't understand why when i record videos, sound quality is really low (8khz), and why when i use HTC sound recorder, i can go up to 44khz.
I have looked at all camera options, only found audio on/off, what im missing here?
Thx in advance.

Yes, I noticed that too, I tried to record a small video during in a classroom, and you can't understand what's being said through the video. The person was 15 meters away and speaking out loud.
Maybe there are some registry tweaks that can be changed?

ovkhan said:
Hi,
Been 2 months now i have my TyTn II, looking at XDADev, i was able to answer all the questions i had but ... i still don't understand why when i record videos, sound quality is really low (8khz), and why when i use HTC sound recorder, i can go up to 44khz.
I have looked at all camera options, only found audio on/off, what im missing here?
Thx in advance.
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HTC seems to use the same low-quality setting with all its models. It's the best to forget using it as a video camera altogether. Or, if you really need a phone with a decent, high-quality video camera, get the Nokia N95 or the N82.

Menneisyys said:
if you really need a phone with a decent, high-quality video camera, get the Nokia N95 or the N82.
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Can't agree more.. Every device has its +ve's and -ve's and you have to decide what you really want from it.
The day someone comes out with the 'Perfect' unit, all others will be out of business and nobody will be able to sell any new models!!
We could wish it as a New Year's resolution but I don't think it will happen from any company...
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all (and let's hope the New Year will bring us WM 6.1 with good Qualcomm drivers!!)

VGA (640*480) video-rec from Xpreia X1.

Since the diamond and Xperia X1 share the same Qualcomm platform and both have probably the same 3.2 AF camera module, can somebody manage how to make diamond record VGA (640*480 30 FPS) video, which Xperia can?
There's a firmware for X1 in X1 subforum, maybe somebody can use it's camera driver or whatever it is in Diamond firmware?

I think we pay a cheaper price for the diamond and as a result we obtain at the end a cheaper product.....the same happens with the Opera version without Flash Lite 3 support and many other things discussed on this forum.
But in some way will be nice to have the possibility to record videos with a bigger resolution.

No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.

pokevitek said:
No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.
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Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.

HTC made the Xpreia x1 so it has been rumored. designed by sony made by HTC????

qtek_metanol said:
Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.
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HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.

poedgirl said:
HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.
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Ok, if so, i'll never understand the kind of marketing strategy HTC is using for.....!!! but the crazy thing is, they have a big success as Smartphone and Pcket PC manufacturer...!!!

htc used to only make devices for other companys
think it's rare now though

I understand licensing the codec to do VGA 30fps recording cost more money, hence HTC never did it.
I think porting the driver is a good strategy that should be pursued
Surur

I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...

sensorama said:
I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...
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where did you download it?
UPS...sorry found it ;-)

Topaz video capturing,What's wrong with HTC

Hello everyone
Seriously whats wrong with HTC?
Same time when all companies try to give a better response to costumers with more improvements ,here we go again.... HTC is just making it worse.
The HTC diamond 2 ( Topaz) is Using the same Camera HTC HD Does. Touch Pro، Diamond and Touch HD all capture videos in CIF Resolution . The new VGA version cut the bit rates to the Half,now Instead of 30 frames per second we have 15.... Is it even funny?
I know its all related to the Software,they easily can solve the problem with an update so what we can do?Im sure they are not going to make such updates.
So any Idea how we can make it?How to tell them?

I dont think it's related to software..
30fps vga movie recording is (640*480)*30fps burst image recording with compression.. So, it's limited by hardware imho..

definitely a hardware issue, not software

DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!

Zinnix said:
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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Thats not completly true, my old N95 8GB had a very good video capture

I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.

Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................

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Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................
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I already have one
The problem is they could do it better when previous versions have a better one,anyway leave it because Topaz image capturing satisfies me and that's enough.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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mine too

Zinnix said:
DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.

P996 said:
This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.
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I Second that,but The phone definitions are available on Net before we get a handy so we all knew its nothing new. We are talking about Pocket pcs but As for Multimedia you could wait for Omnia HD which is the king.
I was going to buy Omnia HD but well Its not going to come with windows mobile ,For now Topaz was the best choice for me because i couldn't wait anymore.
For those who can Wait ,We are going to see new generation of pocket pcs within 2 or 3 month so you can wait.

PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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Common boys,Doesn't matter where you get it but they are all same. Please read various reviews of Topaz every where and you will see this problem is not just about me.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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How do you tell? I've got it set for VGA but it only records at about 16-19fps.

I've just switched from a N95 to a D2 and the video looks great on the D2 compared to the N95.
I just got my D2 last week so could it be a newer ROM?

WMguy said:
Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps

peterbonge said:
I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps
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It has 5 kind of Resolution:
1- S(128x96)
2-M(176x144)
3-L(320x240)
4-CIF(352x288)
5-VGA(640x480)

payameno said:
It has 5 kind of Resolution:
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What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.

peterbonge said:
What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.
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Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps

payameno said:
Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps
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Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.

peterbonge said:
Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.
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Not actually,Im just saying that as its what GSMArena reviews says.
I think there is something strange here.
How a same VGA Resolution does the recording with such various Frame rates? There is no option to change Rates so basically it just records with an invariable rate which it seems to be 15 fps for the VGA resolution.

Mono sound on video HD recording, why?

I don't know why but any video I make with my i9000 has an ac2 mono sound. No matter what resolution I pick for the video. Isn't there a workaround for this? To make it at least stereo if not better?
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The phone does not have 2 microphones in the first place. Hence recorded audio is mono.
Video resolution should not be affecting its audio.

Ok but before sgs I owned an iphone and guess what it recorded video with stereo and only one mic. It is software related. Must be...
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But do you hear difference in the left and right channel?
If it doesn't, SGS encodes it in a more bandwdth efficient manner.

catanzaro27 said:
Ok but before sgs I owned an iphone and guess what it recorded video with stereo and only one mic.
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Then it wasn't stereo. It may have been twin mono. But, as said, why waste space recording twin mono.

As far as I know stereo sounds better as mono, that's why I prefer the more non efficient way of encoding. And let's not talk about having a very good quality video stream beside a poor audio one.
It's like being married to miss univers and not having the posibility to see her (you know how) cuz your blind...
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As far as I know stereo means absolutely nothing if the device doesn't have the hardware to capture in stereo. Mono does not necessarily indicate inferior quality. Your iPhone has recorded in mono but just replicated the channels to appear as stereo. Samsung Galaxy S rather honestly reported mono and let the playback device (eg. computer) replicate the channels whenever necessary. The audio quality boils down to the bit rate and sampling rate used; and these should be considered in development of improving SGS's audio recording quality.

the SGS has no option to select the recording level, and bandwidth/bit rate to begin with
so you get what you get.
we are waiting for an App or a Hack to allow uses to change the recording bit rate so it can get better sound

True, so the development has to focus on hacking the bit rate and sampling rate, rather than producing fake stereo.

True but you gotta admit, the video is in hd for christ sake and the sound is not even close to the quality of video...c'mon. A bigger bitrate would be helpfull, at least AC3.
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that is what every one is complaining about, including myself
we need an App to control which recording sound frecuency we want to use instead of whatever it's the default, which sounds like something on the 11Hz or 22 Hz at best guestimate