Hello there!
I want to ask all of you Kaiser owners for your experiences with the emulator FPSEce on this device. (I did use the search but couldn't find anything helpful)
The reason is that I am planning on buying a HTC Phone with the latest 400 Mhz Qualcomm CPU.
Especially the speed of Final Fantasy 7 would be interessting for me, because I own this game.
On my recent PDA with 624 Mhz and under WM 2003SE FF7 is running perfectly, so I would be really thankful if you could tell me about the speed of PS1-games on the kaiser. (maybe it is possible in the near future to overclock the CPU to about 500 Mhz for more power with FPSEce)
Best regards,
DL
I don't think we'll be running any ps games on our kaisers until HTC releases those drivers to fully support 3d acceleration. Heck, we can barely play snes games..
I was unable to get any games working with this emulator. It may have been user-error, but I gave up. So im not sure how the performance would be if it works.
o yea this was the first thing i launched on my kaiser when i got it back in october. the framerate was poor, only about 19-22+ fps. i mean yea it ran, but we would need some 3d acceleration, but im not sure if thatl even be at an acceptable speed.
that was in a game i played, when i was in the bios (the playstation menu) i got like 45-55fps.
I also used FPSEce on a 625Mhz device (Axim X50v) and it was running close to the original speed. But I was disapointed to see that FPSEce runs well on Kaiser but too slooooooow. I Tried Gran Turismo, again it worked fine, but was pretty unusable because of the low speed. I tried many tweaks on FPSEce (I also tweaked my device as much as I can), but still too slow.
I am not confident in the fact that one day we'll have the onboard 3D accelerator working , but I think we may have chance one day to get an overclock utility for the Qualcomm processor. Then, if we can overclock the processor upto 500 Mhz, I guess FPSEce would be usable ...
The other thing is that the more I play with my Kaiser, the more I can see that the buttons are not well made for that. Around the D-Pad, the buttons are too small and most of the time I press multiple buttons at the same time (and I have small fingers !). Also the shape of the D-Pad is not very good from my point of view : the horizontal size of it too big compared the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't keep you'r finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ...
But this time, that is maybe because my fingers are too small ! Maybe I am the only one to have this problem !
The D-pad of my HTC prophet is a lot better for gaming.
When I bought my Kaiser, I thought I could then sell my GameBoy Advanced, but now I know I will still have to keep it !
Thanks for your replies.
So you can say that it's no fun to play with 400 Mhz because it's too slow to play? Let's hope a programm for overclocking will be released soon.
The missing 3D drivers are not too crucial. CPU is the most important part for any emulation.
Again, be also carefull about the fact that the D-pad is not good for gaming ... I tried again tonight many emulators (Commodore 64, MorphGear and others ) and I could find some more problems with it :
I don't know why but I've find a little lag when pressing the pad. This is very annoying when playing fast action games. This lag only appears with some emulators (Commodore 64, Morphgear, Pocket Caprice) wich are unfortunatly my favorite ones ... For exemple, I didn't find any lag playing with the Spectrum emulator (Pocket Clive).
I also met another problem : in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard. It's also very annoying.
Definitly, this device is certainly a good device for internet/phone/business using. But it is very far to be the best one for gaming. If you know you will be playing with the Kaiser, you have to know it is not made for that, and from my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
What ever happen in the future, even if we can overclock the device, there will be no way to replace the existing D-pad and its (too small) buttons.
I just thought the D-pad needed some gettin used to, then it seemed fine to me. i experianced no problems with the screen moving or a lag. it really didnt seem that bad to me. im using the AT&T branded phone (with the htc rom of corse).
and yes, lest hope an overclocking utility will be released soon
Ok, so it is playable but not perfect. Thank you.
Regarding the button problem. If the hardware buttons are too close to the d-pad try using some onscreen buttons (you can customize them for each game). It's a really great feature.
DaveLeh said:
Ok, so it is playable but not perfect. Thank you.
Regarding the button problem. If the hardware buttons are too close to the d-pad try using some onscreen buttons (you can customize them for each game). It's a really great feature.
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I don't think using virtual buttons on the screen is a solution : you will have to take your kaiser on one hand, to use the d-pad with the same hand (wich may be a problem because the d-pad is too large) and use the stylus with the other hand. Absolutly not comfortable, and dangerous for the screen if in the action of the game you're going fast and press the screen too firmly.
Also, one other problem reported with this wonderfull Kaiser : many users reported that the Kaiser speed slows down when you press the screen. I can't confirm that because I never play with the screen, but you have to know this other issue.
When you say "playable but not perfect", I can feel you decided to buy it. Really, if you want to play with it, you have to know that it's "sometimes playable, but in a bad way".
Why sometimes ? Because 3D games like Call Of Duty 2 are too slow to be playable, some other applications are not playable (FPSEce for exemple, the Playstation emulator).
And when the speed is good enough to play, then the pad/buttons problems show up.
Again, in you position, I just would not buy it ! In my case, if I could go back in time, I would not make this mistake twice.
mikeeey said:
o yea this was the first thing i launched on my kaiser when i got it back in october. the framerate was poor, only about 19-22+ fps. i mean yea it ran, but we would need some 3d acceleration, but im not sure if thatl even be at an acceptable speed.
that was in a game i played, when i was in the bios (the playstation menu) i got like 45-55fps.
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Ive had the same results and is why im pushing for the petition has anyone had games that play at near full speed. on ff 7 some scenes were good and some were just painfully slow
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Ive had the same results and is why im pushing for the petition has anyone had games that play at near full speed. on ff 7 some scenes were good and some were just painfully slow
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hey btw how big is the ff7 rom? just seeing if i should go look for it or if i wouldnt even be able to put it on my kaiser anyway.
dizzy33 said:
When you say "playable but not perfect", I can feel you decided to buy it. Really, if you want to play with it, you have to know that it's "sometimes playable, but in a bad way".
Why sometimes ? Because 3D games like Call Of Duty 2 are too slow to be playable, some other applications are not playable (FPSEce for exemple, the Playstation emulator).
And when the speed is good enough to play, then the pad/buttons problems show up.
Again, in you position, I just would not buy it ! In my case, if I could go back in time, I would not make this mistake twice.
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Well, I was actually aiming for the upcoming Polaris, which is Kaiser without Keyboard. Maybe the lack of many hardwarebuttons and the reportet bug with screen-pressing would be much worse there. But I can't find another PDA-Phone which looks so "complete" in its features and size. Anyway the only game I own is FF7, so other games don't really matter much to me. And it's no game where you have to press buttons fast. Moreover we can hope for an overclocking tool. More important for me would be GBA emulation, but I would asume 400 Mhz are more than enough to emulate GBA.
What phone would you get if you could go back? Wait for future models from HTC with CGA and more CPU?
@jaygriggs: Thanks for the infos on FF7
@mikeeey: Well there are 3 CDs but you don't have to always store all three on the card at the same time. Every CD is about 700 MB, but when you cut out the movies you get around 300 MB.
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Well, I was actually aiming for the upcoming Polaris, which is Kaiser without Keyboard. Maybe the lack of many hardwarebuttons and the reportet bug with screen-pressing would be much worse there. But I can't find another PDA-Phone which looks so "complete" in its features and size. Anyway the only game I own is FF7, so other games don't really matter much to me. And it's no game where you have to press buttons fast. Moreover we can hope for an overclocking tool. More important for me would be GBA emulation, but I would asume 400 Mhz are more than enough to emulate GBA.
What phone would you get if you could go back? Wait for future models from HTC with CGA and more CPU?
@jaygriggs: Thanks for the infos on FF7
@mikeeey: Well there are 3 CDs but you don't have to always store all three on the card at the same time. Every CD is about 700 MB, but when you cut out the movies you get around 300 MB.
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BTW, why don't you go for a cheapo Dell Axim x51v? It's the best machine for emulation because of the supported(!!!!!!) 2700G. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347096
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BTW, why don't you go for a cheapo Dell Axim x51v? It's the best machine for emulation because of the supported(!!!!!!) 2700G. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347096
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Well the most important thing for me is to have MP3/PocketPC/gaming device/phone in one device.
In the past I had an mp3 player and a mobile phone, then i bought one phone which could play mp3 in stereo, too (the siemens sx1). This device had a symbian (s60) OS, so it was kind of a smartphone. But because of that I got really interested in PPCs and Windows Mobile. So I bought a cheap x30 @ ebay. But again, it's just too uncomfortable to have two devices, so it has to be a pda-phone and those new HTC phones have a small size and most must-have features (like GPS, WiFi, etc.). So I think I could live without 3d hardware, even if that would mean bad PS1 emulation.
BTW: I really like your blog. Great work and always interesting. It really must take much time to write all that. My praises.
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Well the most important thing for me is to have MP3/PocketPC/gaming device/phone in one device.
In the past I had an mp3 player and a mobile phone, then i bought one phone which could play mp3 in stereo, too (the siemens sx1). This device had a symbian (s60) OS, so it was kind of a smartphone. But because of that I got really interested in PPCs and Windows Mobile. So I bought a cheap x30 @ ebay. But again, it's just too uncomfortable to have two devices, so it has to be a pda-phone and those new HTC phones have a small size and most must-have features (like GPS, WiFi, etc.). So I think I could live without 3d hardware, even if that would mean bad PS1 emulation.
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It's not just 3D hardware support and not only PS1 emulation:
1. the 2700g is explicitly used in several other emus (SNES, GBA, FireBurn - to mention the three most important)
2. the x51v doesn't have any touchscreen CPU usage bug - this is a godsend with emulators with on-screen tap areas (on the long run, it's much more conventient than a hard-to-press button)
BTW: I really like your blog. Great work and always interesting. It really must take much time to write all that. My praises.
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Thanks
Menneisyys said:
It's not just 3D hardware support and not only PS1 emulation:
1. the 2700g is explicitly used in several other emus (SNES, GBA, FireBurn - to mention the three most important)
2. the x51v doesn't have any touchscreen CPU usage bug - this is a godsend with emulators with on-screen tap areas (on the long run, it's much more conventient than a hard-to-press button)
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as i was sayign with trying to find the touchscreen driver from teh 6700, could this also be possible to find in the X51v?
does anyone know how to manually adjust frame skip? on the website it says there are many different levels but i cant figure out how to do it
Hey guys, I just found the weirdest thing.
You know HTCs piss poor touchscreen performance. (Ie using the touchscreen pegs the CPU at 100%).
From my experience so far this is true in all applications. Full screen,
windowed, Software, D3DM OpenGL, GAPI, GDI. In all areas this bug IS present.
But then I installed Astrawares Broken Sword today and while playing it I found that there's no trace whatsoever of the touchscreen bug in this game.
I'm not sure what APIs they use etc. but I figure it must have something to do with it.
Not really sure what to do with this info just thought I'd put it out there.
(BTW Broken Sword is a great game, if you haven't already you should try it right now! )
when it's running, have you tried seeing how other things operate?
hmm, i use the touchscreen to scroll in opera mini and it's as fast as could be.
we should look more into this, later i may install broken sword and see..
is it a game that you touch to make your character move or constantly hold down the stylus to play?
I have a Touch currently and I’m thinking of getting the Diamond. One of the many things I didn’t like about the Touch is how hard you have to press the screen. Does the Diamond screen have the same issue? Or is it more like the iPhone screen.
I have the 200mhz version of the Touch and I find it a bit sluggish sometimes. Although the Diamond has a 582mhz I’ve read a couple of reviews that state it’s sluggish at times, have you guys experienced this?
Thank you.
The screen is very responsive to my touch.
However, I have ran the application "Diamond Tweaks".
It allows you to change the sensitivity, and also has an option for TouchFlo3D speed.
Overall I barely notice any sluggishness unless I'm running many programs.
Either search the forum or google it, it's readily available.
intx said:
The screen is very responsive to my touch.
However, I have ran the application "Diamond Tweaks".
It allows you to change the sensitivity, and also has an option for TouchFlo3D speed.
Overall I barely notice any sluggishness unless I'm running many programs.
Either search the forum or google it, it's readily available.
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Do you know if the Diamond screen is as hard to press as the Touch screen?
I have them both. Diamond is a little more responsive to the touch but nothing earth shattering. Speed is about the same if you're running 6.1 on your Touch.
The resolution is where the upgrade comes in. If you put the Diamond side by side with the Touch, it's like comparing a standard TV with rabbit ears to a High Definition LCD...
Now, if all you're looking for is a fast phone and don't care too much about the screen resolution, go for a Touch 3G as this has been described as one of the fastest and most responsive WM phones ever.
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Do you know if the Diamond screen is as hard to press as the Touch screen?
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Have them both too, and too answer your question: NO, you dont have to press at all on the diamond, screen is much better then the touch, hope it helps.
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Do you know if the Diamond screen is as hard to press as the Touch screen?
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I actually think the difference is quite noticecable between the two.
On the diamond I can actually press very very lightly using my finger while on the Touch I found myself having to poke at it sometimes with the finger nail - but as compared to the iphone it's definitely not as sensitive as they are two different beasts in that regards.
I feel I should mention I have the US 3G Diamond from sprint, and yes it is extremely responsive, quite amazing actually.
Jamolah said:
I have a Touch currently and I’m thinking of getting the Diamond. One of the many things I didn’t like about the Touch is how hard you have to press the screen. Does the Diamond screen have the same issue? Or is it more like the iPhone screen.
I have the 200mhz version of the Touch and I find it a bit sluggish sometimes. Although the Diamond has a 582mhz I’ve read a couple of reviews that state it’s sluggish at times, have you guys experienced this?
Thank you.
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I played with the touch(for a month) and own the Diamond for almost 6 month now.
They are on a totally different level. Everything is better on the Diamond, except the batts.
The screen is double in resolution compared to most phones out there, once you go Diamond VGA screen you cant go back.
Screen is very responsive and I must say after some quick tweaks under da hood you are looking at a very responsive screen and device.
You wont regret it for a second if you switch.
Greets.
Sergio PC said:
The screen is double in resolution compared to most phones out there, once you go Diamond VGA screen you cant go back..
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Not entirely true, I'd gladly turn in VGA for QVGA to speed things up really. And the new HTC Touch phones seem to be way more responsive than the first/older models.
That being said, I went from a HTC Touch (one of the first) to a HTC Diamond. The difference was indeed almost day and night (so to speak).
I've played with some newer Touch models, and it has improved quite a bit (or I just had a 'lucky' model which was very responsive). Still, the Diamond has a really nice Touchscreen.
Also the VGA is/was very nice (especially at the beginning), but now the lack of speed starts to annoy me.
Reason for me to start looking at the Touch 3G and the Asus P552w. Where the Asus is the preferred one at the moment since benchmarks (see here and here) show that little thing rocks.
And I've kinda lost faith in HTC and their Qualcomm drivers. That Asus phone really looks like it could be one of the fastest and smallest wm6.1 devices out there. But I can only tell you for sure once I've given it a testrun myself .
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To come back to the HTC Touch 3G speed compared to the Asus P552w, it could be nice to compare the following two benchmarks made by the same site:
HTC Touch 3G Benchmark (half way down)
Asus P552w Benchmark
As you can see in my profile my ROM version, so I don't know if I have one of the good HTC touch or not.
The screen on my Touch has weird colors on it and I'm wondering to get it fixed (my warranty runs out on Jan 7, 2009 so in 1 week) or should I do a hardware upgrade to the Diamond.
Why not get it fixed in warranty ánd perhaps get a Diamond? That way you at least have a good Touch you could sell or something.
Unless they give you a Diamond in exchange, but I very much doubt that.
I have experimented with both RemixOS for PC and Remix Player on my Intel z8700 tablet over the last 9 months. I have seen noteworthy improvement in the development of both.
I am still unable to boot RemixOS for PC on my tablet (I think due to some issue with my UEFI boot loader), but RemixOS Player now starts up OK. That being said, it is pretty much unusable with input from the touchscreen on the tablet. The RemixOS Player tries to use the touchscreen input to emulate mouse/touchpad input. That doesn't work well at all.
If RemixOS Player is running on a Windows 8.x or Windows 10 system with a touchscreen (like a tablet), it should detected that and map the relevant portion of the touchscreen as it it was a touchscreen tablet running Android.
This is shocking to me. It's like touchscreen support was removed. Thought I had found a good emulator for my surface pro 3, now the search continues.
Yeah, completely insane. No fullscreenmode available either. It's work in progress. Should be declared pre-alpha.
I have posted the same some weeks ago here
I am using AmiDuOS so far. Works way better. Or maybe I should say 'it works'.
Remixos just don't. Hoping for a solid version of it though, later next year.
It's killing me too
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It's killing me too
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almost dead...
I think I got your fix!
Hopefully you guys are still subscribed, I came across this thread looking for help with my touchscreen because just like you I found it pretty much sucked to use. After reading above the statement regarding touchscreen working like a mouse I remembered one of the experimental features. I'm not sure about Player, but in settings of Remix OS, Enable trackpad is in the settings under Experimental features. The description is a little misleading "Enabling this setting allows you to use your trackpad as a mouse" well WTF else would you use it as lol. When I first booted I was docked and thought everything worked awesome as I used the keyboard with trackpad and only a tap on the screen here and there, so when I came across this setting I recalled a past experience with x86 (or was it my motorola Lapdock) and the trackpad working like a touchscreen digitizer and me guesstimating where on the trackpad I had to touch to hit the exact spot needed on screen. Anyway I did not want a repeat of that fond memory of fun and thought it best to leave enabled.
Long story short I revisited said setting, disabled it, and after a reboot the touchscreen now works like it's supposed to! Haven't found out if it stops working still after waking up from a deepsleep, but that's likely a seperate issue anyway. It's nice doing the helping for once, hope it works for you guys, let me know if it's the same for you Player users.
PS if you're setup like me make sure you also turn on the onscreen keyboard even when hardware keyboard is detected before you undock, evidently the touchscreen is recognized as a hardware keyboard input as well, at least on my Switch 11.
The track pad option does not appear to be present in Player, using version 3.0.307 at the moment. The only setting that even remotely relates is track pad / mouse speed slider under input.
Remix on Surface 3 ugh
Like an idiot i didnt consult xda before loading the dual boot. power and volume hard buttons dont function except for hard reset then it bypasses the boot menu and boots into remix.. i can get into safemode still but the lack of support or even the show of effort for touch support is a deal breaker on all fronts. i was really hoping to find an update...
Dell venue 11 pro, touchscreen doesn't work at all, even after disabling Trackpad option in experimental features, so confusing as this is a touch screen based OS lol and it's the only thing not working!! zzzzzz