Hi guys, i have been following closely to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980497 ...
that is the best rooting IS thread..
i opened this thread is to stop / a place for people to post question & discuss...
reason: because the thread link above... is a place for devs update infos..
so kindly please post question / discuss here instead..
P.S dont turn that great thread to a spam thread. thank you!
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FAQ - Credit l0st.prophet & timbo007up
Great idea jetty.
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The devs will (hopefully) keep this thread monitored all the time (at least i will), but dont expect a answer within seconds
We will try to answer all your questions here. And please keep the original thread nice and clean. Thanks to jenny we now have a thread that can be open for answers.
I hope jenny is willing to update the 1st post with faq's and alike. (i will try to provide them as much as possible). Thanks to knightrocker we have a lot of good basic stuff to tell about
So lets discuss and ask
p.s. yes i will be annoyed by people who don't read and ask the same question that has already been answered (probably multiple times )
So how do I root my IS? can someone give me a link please?
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Dude... Please read the topic ... We arent done rooting yet ... But it will come soon ... Please atleast a little before u post
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Hmmm ... Soo that secu_flag=1 in too deep down too bad ... I will have a look at kexec ... Sounds nice
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Hmmm did a bit of reading on kexec. Timbo i have a question, u said u are trying to use it, but u cant boot into it.
Maybe that is because it is already being used? From what i read, kexec sounds a LOT like the fastboot option on htc's to me. And i don think u can overlap two kernels over the original one. Maybe thats why it was never tried
Please correct me if im wrong.
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Knightrocker just wait mate we are busy with it
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I must say u: im not that much of a linux programmer, mainly tester, but getting to know it. We are just trying to use it (or misuse if u want) to run our code.
Dont know exactly how it works, but it is useable to bypass some of the HTC security that is build in. But like u said: its never been used before, but thats only partial true. It is being used on the X10, and 4 days ago they announced that they succesfull used it to run there own kernel and roms.
Currently there are people working on it and as usual there are only just a few persons who really know what there doing (not me included ) so also i have to wait. Just have a little more know how because i'm involved with it
As soon as i know how it exactly works i am willing to document it (if allowed by the devs though) because maybe we dont want HTC to know how we do it exactly, because it will probably be to easy to disabled again haha.
Heres a starter for the faq
Root, s-off what does that mean?
If you don’t know what root is, go away and do some research. Not going to cover that.
Temp-root/shell-root: By using the psneuter exploit we can get temp-root. This allows us to execute more commands and gives us access to the whole system.
S-on/S-off: Disable the security that is also known as the NAND lock. When S-on is enabled it prevents us to write to the system partition (and various others). They can be written but it will be discarded when you reboot. So we see it as not writeable.
How do I check if im s-on?
Disable the fastboot option in setting > application. Shutdown. Hold down vol-down + powerbutton until you get to a white screen. Read the first line. Should say something like “Vivo bla bla S-ON”. If it says you are S-OFF you are lucky .
What is responsible for the s-on?
The radio firmware (not accesable trough the system directly) sets an flag (secu_flag) to 1 or 0, 1 for s-on, 0 for s-off. To get s-offed we somehow need to change that flag. Currently not possible for our phones.
The kexec was allredy used on the Motorola Milestone, but the Radio was always hanging. But possibily it can help you guys looking at the sources http://and-developers.com/custom_rom:2ndboot
Nice info! Have not looked so good at it (yet) so will do now.
Further more: i know about the X10 since one of there developers is on our team too. So have not looked at other phones yet who uses it
Had an Milestone before my Desire
You can ask the guys on #milestone-modding on freenode on IRC if you need help, they made a lot of experience with this methode since more than six month.
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Heres a starter for the faq
Root, s-off what does that mean?
If you don’t know what root is, go away and do some research. Not going to cover that.
Temp-root/shell-root: By using the psneuter exploit we can get temp-root. This allows us to execute more commands and gives us access to the whole system.
S-on/S-off: Disable the security that is also known as the NAND lock. When S-on is enabled it prevents us to write to the system partition (and various others). They can be written but it will be discarded when you reboot. So we see it as not writeable.
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Then how it is possible to have a permanent root with S-ON on other devices like DHD?
The way I understood it,is that we can get root privileges but they vanish once we reboot cause they only existed in a volatile memory (since we can't write the code into the non-volatile area because of the S-ON)
This makes me ask: What's a permanent root then?
It is possible on other devices because it (the radio) can be somewhat accessed within userspace (kernel/programs) and than sets the flag to s-off. But it is required to exploit the radio so that it will do what we say. All current know exploits don't work on our phone. So its currently not possible on the new HTC devices.
So it is possible to access certain parts of the phone that are locked. but it requires a lot of skill to get there and than you must find something useable to change the flag.
Permanent root is what it says: stay root even after reboot There were times (mostly early cracking of new (currently old) devices) that people could temporary turn of the flag, set root in the system and that way gain permanent root. But most of the time your not very far away from fully s-off.
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There were times (mostly early cracking of new (currently old) devices) that people could temporary turn of the flag, set root in the system and that way gain permanent root.
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If you were a chick I would ask you to marry me for such awesome answer
Fancy a beer?
@androf : lol bro, ur crazy.
I have more questions if some1 dosent mind answering. From what i read, kexec skips the firmware part, thus we skip security. But about flashing a custom recovery? Will kexec still be effective or will u use it just to root and then chuck it?
Heck, ive learnt more from this IS section than i did in a whole year of science classes in school
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@Androf, ty but no thanks dont have any brains left at the moment and a beer would not help me to return it and your welcome!
@knightrocker: this thread is made for questions (the other one is more for the news and progress) so burn out those questions, i assume it still takes some time to get trough though. So until then i'm trying to help everybody here with there questions regarding to it and a appreciate the thoughts about how to get trough.
p.s. you can pm me ofc when u have questions, but i think that you should post them here, so other people can learn too. I'm saying that you have to wait for something to come off that uses the kexec method. Currently being worked on so not much info to be given yet. Dont crop those questions and put them out. Will appreciate if you have more than one question post them in one post though
@mr stylo: we have one the lead devs of the X10 cracking team, i assume he knows where to find the info. but nevertheless its a good learning course for me
@timbo: ok bossman. I will ask any questions i have to make sure every1 learns with me. And ill try to keep it a little compact as u say. I will read some more on this kexec thing. Im glad u guys found that dev dude from the x10. Say hi to him for me please
Btw... Just so i get right, u said i could burn off any questiojs i have and learn as much as can yes? Sry... But imma little sleepy
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I've read some threads mentioning gold card and installing official roms meant for other regions. Can we have an FAQ about that in this thread too?
Appreciate you guys collecting info here
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guys, i cant wait to install custom ROM on my tattoo. i hardly congratulate those who worked really hard in getting this tattoo rooted...
but whats the real use when we cant play with this little device without exploiting it fully .....
sorry if i am humiliating all those who are actively involved in the development, but i am little more curious like rest of us. hence i am asking this question here....
roughly how long it will take to produce custom ROM after rooting a device ???
Expect an average development time between two days and one year but it might differ plus/minus 20%...
I understand your impatience but asking things that are already written elsewhere because the truth is reluctantly to believe ("nobody knows how long it will take") doesn't speed up anything! We don't write "We don't know" because we think it is funny to know more then the rest...
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Could you tell us what is needed for a custom rom? I'm new in android hacking, or mobile hacking in general. All I know is that for WinMo devices you'll need a hardSPL, application unlock and a RUU.
I think there will be less questions if we know what we're waiting for. Time is, at least for me, not really a question since there are numerous wonderful developers here and we all follow progress in the other threads.
For the tattoo we now have root access and r/w access to the file system. What else is needed? A new boot loader, a flash utility, kitchen?
I tried to find it elsewhere in the forum but information is scarce and/or scattered so it's quite hard to find out what is going on. Most information I found are howto's, but what we actually want here in this stage of development are whyto's .
Please, enlighten us
manuvaidya said:
guys, i cant wait to install custom ROM on my tattoo. i hardly congratulate those who worked really hard in getting this tattoo rooted...
but whats the real use when we cant play with this little device without exploiting it fully .....
sorry if i am humiliating all those who are actively involved in the development, but i am little more curious like rest of us. hence i am asking this question here....
roughly how long it will take to produce custom ROM after rooting a device ???
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NOT LONG....
1 month atmost... i have a good friend in ahmgsk and he just needs a buzz
and he complile what ever we needed for running the rom !
and if he do this ill maybe donate him me own tattoo donate ...naa ill post a pack for the dude with the tattoo. i guess..witch me self had for free by the way ..with the wish of me rooting it ... someone else did it .. HECK..
to late ..
THX Marsdroid
To easily flash ROMs, we'd need a S-OFF Bootloader and also a custom recovery that enables us to actually flash the ROM to the phone.
However, since HTC tried to play 'god' with our Tattoo/Click and bar off any root exploits or custom ROMs, it's tricky. We've had to play around with root, and now we've got the system partition writable, soon we can get flash_image to work.
Myself, I expect to cook a community ROM (CoburnROM 360) when we've got all the tools in place.
Online kitchen/automated tools like the Relentless Rom Roaster is a plus, but not a essential item to have on your arsenal. Real Devs use Linux and the command line!
Now, it's just a matter of playing the wait game. Dream about all the customizations in a ROM you'd like, and when the day has come (it most likely happen in the near future! ), we can plop the update.zip on the MicroSD, reboot into (custom) recovery and let the fun begin.
This is exactly the reason why I'm holding off with making root permanent on mt phone. I'll wait till everything becomes stable and more can be done with root, i.e. installing custom ROMs.
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This is exactly the reason why I'm holding off with making root permanent on mt phone. I'll wait till everything becomes stable and more can be done with root, i.e. installing custom ROMs.
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Good idea. Mine at the moment is temp root, I jsut run the exploit and do the export commands to get a shell, instead of hardwriting su in my Tattoo.
is the custom ROM ready ??? i want to test it on my tattoo simultaneously i wanna root it at that time itself... so if you succeed in preparing cooked ROM, pls post it here for testing.
i will test it for you.... cant wait for its release... keeping my fingers crossed coburn.....
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is the custom ROM ready ??? i want to test it on my tattoo simultaneously i wanna root it at that time itself... so if you succeed in preparing cooked ROM, pls post it here for testing.
i will test it for you.... cant wait for its release... keeping my fingers crossed coburn.....
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The more you refuse to spend even 3 or 4 minutes to read through the forum, the longer you will have to wait for a custom ROM because you are stealing our time to develop one because we have to answer senseless posts. This time I won't post the link you are looking for because it will take you around 10 seconds to find Coburn64's thread - its just one view!
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@bm, there is no link for downloading a custom ROM buddy, i saw coburn's thread..... but there is no mention of when we can expect custom ROM.....
anyway, i thought you might be knowing the approximate date.... ok, i will wait till you receive.... dont waste your time.... carry on with your good work. i appreciate your contribution towards this project..... keep up the good work bro...
Seek and ye will find gold
Have anyone compiled psfreedom for new 2.6.32 kernel? Cant upgrade to 2.2 because of it. I would try it myself, but i newbie and need step by step manual;p
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This is a development community. Try not to fly off the rails when someone asks about PSFreedom. In it's base form it's not a piracy application. No more so than rooting an Android device is. Sure it can be used for nefarious purposes, but why assume everyone on a developers forum who's interested in PSFreedom is a pirate?
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It is actually a good question regarding a new PSFreedom, an updated one for the new Kernel?
Maybe even as for the PsfMod, directly from the Recovery?
Read this its how to build psfmod
www.klutsh.com/2010/11/18/howto-build-psfmod/
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Thank you for this link !!!
Given a Friday, sounds like the whole weekend will be spent nearby a computer... Thanks a lot!
N.p. make sure you do this to.
www.klutsh.com/2010/11/19/oops-my-bad/
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i just created the psfmod for the legend but i don't know how to flash the recovery img to the phone so i can't test it untill further help has arrived.
here is a link mediafire.com/?kcqdk0p6cwoq9qs
all help is very much apprieciated
Matanos said:
i just created the psfmod for the legend but i don't know how to flash the recovery img to the phone so i can't test it untill further help has arrived.
here is a link mediafire.com/?kcqdk0p6cwoq9qs
all help is very much apprieciated
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Well if i understood your question correct, you need rooted phone.
Easyest way to manage roms and update zips is clockword mod. Search Clockwork rom manger in market and install. Copy your update zip to sdcard, lreboot to recovery via rom manager, make nandroid backup then install zip and test. You can revert all changes.
Is your psfmod for 2.2?
Guys!! Two weeks I've been trying to create my own psfMod for HTC Legend, with the Klutsh's Howto ... And I am still nowhere!! TWO WEEKS!! lol!
Did any of you create a working img file succesfully?
I received some help from Klutsh and some other guys on his blog, unfortunately I am such a noob that I can't manage to do it right yet...
Any chance to get some help from here?
... You all are my last hope... My life depends on it.. (Hmm... Ok, I might be exagerating)
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Guys!! Two weeks I've been trying to create my own psfMod for HTC Legend, with the Klutsh's Howto ... And I am still nowhere!! TWO WEEKS!! lol!
Did any of you create a working img file succesfully?
I received some help from Klutsh and some other guys on his blog, unfortunately I am such a noob that I can't manage to do it right yet...
Any chance to get some help from here?
... You all are my last hope... My life depends on it.. (Hmm... Ok, I might be exagerating)
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I plan on working on this. I've been holding off for Cyanogen to release stable for the Legend, so I have an easy starting off point for a guide - and I'll be doing less flashing/messing with nightlies.
I've still go an old TouchPro I'm using just for psf at the moment.
So the sooner we see CM6 stable, the sooner I'll get cracking on this.
hope someone will do that .
It saddens me that the world is turning into pikey freetards that think stealing is OK. Things will catch up with them, it always does.
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It saddens me that the world is turning into pikey freetards that think stealing is OK. Things will catch up with them, it always does.
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I shall refer you back to this:
gwon said:
This is a development community. Try not to fly off the rails when someone asks about PSFreedom. In it's base form it's not a piracy application. No more so than rooting an Android device is. Sure it can be used for nefarious purposes, but why assume everyone on a developers forum who's interested in PSFreedom is a pirate?
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and leave it at that, I suggest you do the same.
What's going on with this? Where's the hold up? What has already been done?
BlaY0, actually, it was done, yes...
However ,there were not updates of it.
No possibility to use last payloads and other possibilities.
As per Klutsh's psfMod, it is possible to get the PSFreedom directly from the recovery, and then you can use the bin you want (put in your SD Card) : you just have to reboot then and can use your phone as usual.
So far, we lost Wifi and SD card access, we had to restore boot etc... Quite "restrictive" (compared to what is developed for Desire, Hero, and many other devices...)
No, I mean what has been done in terms of compiling module for new kernel?
Ho sorry! lol!
Then I am not sure I understand your question: What have I done so far that is not working, or in general? (English not native language, plus noob regarding kernels, compile, linux, development, ... Everything lol! Well you understand, right?)
Actually I'm referring my question to the subject (psfreedom+new kernel). I know that it is working with old kernel so it is working from recovery mode too. But I need to know what has been done concerning new kernel. Where's the problem? I'm asking coz I don't want to reinvent the wheel.
Ok! Then I unfortunately cannot answer you.
What I can do, is quoting Klutsh from his blog (before he put the Howto off his blog)
@bravounet: You may be better waiting for HTC to release the 2.6.32 kernel source, or look for a AOSP kernel (Cyanogen type)
@bravounet: You can use the .32 kernel in recovery, leaving your ROM & kernel alone.
With old kernel (2.6.29) we had to flash a zip from the recovery in order to make it work, there was no menu "PSFreedom" in the recovery itself, contrarily to other devices as I mentioned previously.
So far, I don't think someone has done anything new with the old kernel, neither with the new kernel 2.6.32 for our Legends... I might be wrong, but I haven't found anything on the internet...
hello friends ,
I have purchased a new incS this week...my phone sometimes restarts...what could be the problem..?..I have installed some apps from the market..like adw launcher and games...help
Pls
And I want to root the phone but without loosing the warranty ...as in I have heard that you can do so by unrooting the phone....is it possible?
How do I backup my stock rom to unroot it...pls give a complete basic guide...I am a new Android user..
ishaquek5 said:
hello friends ,
I have purchased a new incS this week...my phone sometimes restarts...what could be the problem..?..I have installed some apps from the market..like adw launcher and games...help
Pls
And I want to root the phone but without loosing the warranty ...as in I have heard that you can do so by unrooting the phone....is it possible?
How do I backup my stock rom to unroot it...pls give a complete basic guide...I am a new Android user..
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If this post is for real than you should start by reading through each of the guides on this forum and the incredible s dev forum after that use the search function to find answers to any questions you might have. Than after all else fails return here to post a legitimate question. After you find out what an h-boot is and you realize its 1.16.0000 stop and decide weather or not you really want to continue down this path because at the end of it the loss of your warranty.
Happy reading.
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If this post is for real than you should start by reading through each of the guides on this forum and the incredible s dev forum after that use the search function to find answers to any questions you might have. Than after all else fails return here to post a legitimate question. After you find out what an h-boot is and you realize its 1.16.0000 stop and decide weather or not you really want to continue down this path because at the end of it the loss of your warranty.
Happy reading.
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What's so unreal in this post brother...?..Can you pls help me out for my restart problem ?
And for root and unroot I will definitely search and go through...If possible pls link me to a thread...Thanks..
If u have "advanced task killer" installed, remove it. That may solve your problem( it worked for many).
Check the stickies
Thanks ...uninstalled adv.task killer....let's see if it works....will post abt it ...
ishaquek5 said:
Thanks ...uninstalled adv.task killer....let's see if it works....will post abt it ...
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The problem is, that more than likely hundreds of people have had this same issue, and most have found the solution without having to post a new thread. He's saying, you need to do some real legwork instead of just asking.
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The problem is, that more than likely hundreds of people have had this same issue, and most have found the solution without having to post a new thread. He's saying, you need to do some real legwork instead of just asking.
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That's right. Most likely u will find the solution in an already existing thread...or u can always Google it.
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Just so you know - my phone is hboot 1.16.0000 (and no I will not repeat myself how to do it) and I have cyanogenmod7.
It's good, but now my warranty is voided. I cannot revert to stock because the HBOOT 1.16.0000 was an OTA update, therefore it cannot be downloaded at this stage, so I have to stick with custom roms.
My charger port is now stuffed after a month of having it (STUPID design having it on the side,) and after speaking to htc because my phone is software modded it is automatically void. even though it has nothing to do with the issue. So now my only other choice is a 3rd party company to fix it or pay the premium for HTC to fix it, because it's not under warranty.
Your choice.
Expect the unexpected
If you can get your charging port to work you can run an RUU flash a HBOOT downgraded and then rerun the ruu on your phone. You will become S-On again.
Hey Guys.. I Created this thread for discussing S-OFF for our Desire C (obviously) ... Recently I contacted HTC Devs and here what they say ...
Dear Reinel Caluag,
Thanks for contacting HTC Philippines
we appreciate your continuous attentions with our products and services. We understand that you wanted to have an S off for your HTC Desire C.
For us to easily solve the issue, we would like to get the exact make and model of the handset. And it would be best if you could provide to us the IMEI or the serial number of your phone for proper documentation of your account with us. You may usually get the IMEI on the sticker at the back of the handset or by dialing *#06# on your phone’s dialer.
Regarding the concern, as we gathered some information, S-on or security on is a feature on our device where the system software of the handset is protected. For this, since you mentioned that you've already unlocked the bootloader of the handset and you still have S-On, we will raise this concern to our management for us to know how you can get S-off. For the meantime, please do expect another email response about updates and resolution for the said concern.
Please let us know if this information was able to help you. If not, kindly inform us the issues you have encountered. Should you need further assistance, you may give us a call at 1800-14410789 for PLDT or 1800-89086588 for Globe. You may provide your customer ID number “ for us to easily pull up your account. And our business hours are from Mondays to Sundays, 8:00AM to 8:00PM.
On the other hand, if we have successfully answered all of your concerns, you may close the ticket by accessing the links provided as well as for proper documentation of your account with us.
Once the ticket is closed, you will be receiving an invite for a survey. We would greatly appreciate if you can participate on a quick survey regarding how we were able to assist you with your concern.
Thank you for making business with us. Have a nice day!
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After Seeing that.. i quickly reply them .... they need IMEI,and some phone info ... and I send them ...
What Do ya Think Guys.. ???
(*_*)
Good, Its good to see the HTCDev team showing even the slightest support for the Desire C
Maybe we will get S-OFF maybe we wont.
Right now it seems to be the thing we need most right now :/
Thanks for doing this Addictz10
Sparky
Excuse my noobishness, but I don't really see the point behind getting s-off for our phone. I understand it will enable us to flash kernels from recovery mode itself and we can flash radio images to our phone (which I think is risky and i would never try that). And we can flash a different bootloader. But with it comes great security risks, and the possibility to actually hard brick our phones. So given a choice, I would still opt for S-on. Flashing kernels through fastboot is not that much of a problem, it hardly takes any time. Is there something I'm missing regarding S-off?
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Excuse my noobishness, but I don't really see the point behind getting s-off for our phone. I understand it will enable us to flash kernels from recovery mode itself and we can flash radio images to our phone (which I think is risky and i would never try that). And we can flash a different bootloader. But with it comes great security risks, and the possibility to actually hard brick our phones. So given a choice, I would still opt for S-on. Flashing kernels through fastboot is not that much of a problem, it hardly takes any time. Is there something I'm missing regarding S-off?
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nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
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nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
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So we can run two roms together, like one sense and one cm10?
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So we can run two roms together, like one sense and one cm10?
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yeah ... !!
My turn to state an opinion. IMHO dual booting is a bad idea. It takes up more space than it should. The only benefit i see from it is as a test enviorment.
Like have your main rom setup, and then flash test builds of other roms alongside it. But that is the only benefit.
Isn't different bootloaders device specific? If so who will be the advanced dev guy that will port/build them for us?
Im supporting s-off, but highly hesitant whether it will be of much use on a such low end device.
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Hey Guys.. I Created this thread for discussing S-OFF for our Desire C (obviously) ... Recently I contacted HTC Devs and here what they say ...
After Seeing that.. i quickly reply them .... they need IMEI,and some phone info ... and I send them ...
What Do ya Think Guys.. ???
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Nah HTC won't do anything to us
its like when we send a huge amount of emails with no answer
They leave their old phones and take care of new ones
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I just want S-OFF the change the ugly splash screen to something nicer and ofcourse for flashing kernels from recovery!
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nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
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I am not sure about Dual boot.
becuse pico doesn't have S-off but a dual boot
I think they have s-off .. coz dual boot needs s-off because dual boot flash kernels through recovery... while us on fastboot
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I agree with noahvt about changing splash screen and its so annoying having to turn on my PC to change kernel and we need to get a full touch cwm not twrp like 6.0.3.5
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YAH! I KNOW!! Just do What we want -_-
Dear Reinel Caluag,
Thanks for contacting HTC Philippines
Thank you for the information that you have provided. Regarding the concern, as we've checked our resources, we found out that we don't need to turn the security off to accomplish the basic installation of custom ROM. Security on by default is good for some reasons, it protects the system software configuration such as radio, boot, recovery and system. However, once you've unlocked the bootloader of the handset, you will have lifted the restrictions of the handset and you have the means to customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. For this, we are sorry to say that our management did not give the exact information on how to turn the security off. But as for coordination, normally, once you've unlocked the bootloader of the handset it will automatically have S-Off and developers would easily access or toggle the options on the phone specifically with Security off and on.
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YAH! I KNOW!! Just do What we want -_-
Reply of HTC Devs ..
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I've send an e-mail as well
I stated that they should atleast consider it!
EDIT: for my asus transformer it was so easy just unlock the bootloader and i was flashing a new bootloader immediately after that why does HTC have to make it this hard :\
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I've send an e-mail as well
I stated that they should atleast consider it!
EDIT: for my asus transformer it was so easy just unlock the bootloader and i was flashing a new bootloader immediately after that why does HTC have to make it this hard :\
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because their buts :silly:
Shad0wPanda said:
because their buts :silly:
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Their flagship device (htc one) received an s-off not long after release so yeah i think they just don't care about the lower and devices
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WOW :silly:
this is the reply from htc (the most stupid reply i've ever seen) this is what they call "customer service"
Dear Noah Van Tiggel,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC device.
I would like to inform you that we do not give support for this issue.
If you have quetions you can search it in this site http://www.htcdev.com/.
I hope I have informed you sufficiently,
Best regards
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Means the going boat went down ;(
Can't we build a bootloader(S-OFF) ones.
The ones who build these are also humans like us.
And no one is born with ultiamte knowlege.
There always is a horizon and a hope that shall always be in our heart
We can do it
Pressurise HTC.
We need S-OFF
aman23091998 said:
Means the going boat went down ;(
Can't we build a bootloader(S-OFF) ones.
The ones who build these are also humans like us.
And no one is born with ultiamte knowlege.
There always is a horizon and a hope that shall always be in our heart
We can do it
Pressurise HTC.
We need S-OFF
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For what i understand is that we need an xtc clip (link: http://www.xtc.hk/index.html ) people at pico thread have spoken about this but i don't know if this will work on our desire c's it's if someone is willing to risk it? i found this guide (it is for the htc desire hd but it will be sort of similar with other devices i think) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWtIzOkEbI
EDIT: it's possible without xtc clip as shown in this thread for wildfire s http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342468
EDIT2: another pico thread about s-off : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957236
EDIT3: i'm gonna try to put my phone into diag mode right now!
EDIT4(lol): i won't give up this easily
EDIT5: damnit htc even diag mode is not included in our desire c :\
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For what i understand is that we need an xtc clip (link: http://www.xtc.hk/index.html ) people at pico thread have spoken about this but i don't know if this will work on our desire c's it's if someone is willing to risk it? i found this guide (it is for the htc desire hd but it will be sort of similar with other devices i think) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWtIzOkEbI
EDIT: it's possible without xtc clip as shown in this thread for wildfire s http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342468
EDIT2: another pico thread about s-off : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957236
EDIT3: i'm gonna try to put my phone into diag mode right now!
EDIT4(lol): i won't give up this easily
EDIT5: damnit htc even diag mode is not included in our desire c :\
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Damn you htc when I was London I went past a HTC building and was tempting to go in and say
Here it is give me god damn s-off for our ************* HTC golfu. Yarr and maybe a few HTC ones¿ and all UE booty
So bloody close
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Damn you htc when I was London I went past a HTC building and was tempting to go in and say
Here it is give me god damn s-off for our ************* HTC golfu. Yarr and maybe a few HTC ones¿ and all UE booty
So bloody close
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I'm gonna buy a N4 at the end of the year since it has better support then HTC does :'( but i'll keep in touch and keep developing for this phone i still don't understand htc doesn't give us proper support (and because there is a big crack running trough my phone )
Guys i need to know if its possible to root the phone and unroot / take it back to warranty condition WITHOUT reflashing and unlocking bootloader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCChDxc2_HE heres what i've found about unroot... but i am not sure in this method will it completely remove root binary and take phone back to warrantyN mode ?
Is it that hard question ?
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Is it that hard question ?
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No, but we get sick and tired of people asking the same questions over and over again because they are too lazy to actually put the effort in to searching and reading properly
Also, don't 'bump' your own thread within 24 hours - read the rules if you're not sure why.
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No, but we get sick and tired of people asking the same questions over and over again because they are too lazy to actually put the effort in to searching and reading properly
Also, don't 'bump' your own thread within 24 hours - read the rules if you're not sure why.
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Ok, Boss then lets don't ask questions in this section and rename it to MrKnowItAll section ok?
I just couldt find how to root and unroot without unlocking and flashing and made a thread in questions section to ask if you do not mind...
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MrKnowItAll
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That's the whole idea of a Q&A.. With every new (original) question the knowledge database grows. This allows other people to just search through the threads to find their answer. It's actually an easier way to find answers then creating a new thread, since you don't have to wait for reactions and usually the follow up questions are already elaborately discussed..
On topic: I believe some superusers have an option to unroot? And otherwise just reflashing stock is just as easy.
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balloon27 said:
That's the whole idea of a Q&A.. With every new (original) question the knowledge database grows. This allows other people to just search through the threads to find their answer. It's actually an easier way to find answers then creating a new thread, since you don't have to wait for reactions and usually the follow up questions are already elaborately discussed..
On topic: I believe some superusers have an option to unroot? And otherwise just reflashing stock is just as easy.
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Alright then i renamed the thread. Because my question is about walkaround reflashing and unlocking bootloader.
Is it possible simply to root and unroot without reflashing and unlocking ?
When you root phone your root file is on system partition and you need to format it If you want to remove root.Hard reset don't format partition so that won't work.Update software should work but I am not sure.SuperS have ability to remove itself so if you root your phone with it you can done it fastest way.Also don't be smartass and mock people who are telling you to search for answer before posting topic and asking for help.It I is not polite.After all you are asking for help from us not the way around.
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dimi89 said:
When you root phone your root file is on system partition and you need to format it If you want to remove root.Hard reset don't format partition so that won't work.Update software should work but I am not sure.SuperS have ability to remove itself so if you root your phone with it you can done it fastest way.Also don't be smartass and mock people who are telling you to search for answer before posting topic and asking for help.It I is not polite.After all you are asking for help from us not the way around.
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on topic: So i am on latest 4.1.2 if i force the support tool (from LG) will it reflash the phone with stock frimware after root ?
As i remember i read somewhere that actually it is possible to use some kind of "upgrade recovery" option with this tool which reflash phone.
off topic: Im not playing it smartass i've searched and couldn't find what i need to know. then i posted this thread.
So maybe someone should check if a thread exist actually without beign too lazy. before saying that he's sick of people.
And also renamed my thread to be more suitable to people who will be searching.
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off topic: Im not playing it smartass i've searched and couldn't find what i need to know. then i posted this thread.
So maybe someone should check if a thread exist actually without beign too lazy. before saying that he's sick of people.
And also renamed my thread to be more suitable to people who will be searching.
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You did NOT search!! Put the word "unroot" into Q&A forum search box and you get 60 hits, at least 5 of which on the first page give the answer.
SimonTS said:
You did NOT search!! Put the word "unroot" into Q&A forum search box and you get 60 hits, at least 5 of which on the first page give the answer.
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simon its too late mate... i renamed my thread alredy and i think you did not read that its about walkaound flashing and unlocking.
@tuncay93 in LG update tool should be option "force update" or something like that.BTW I think easiest method is just to flesh.dz file since it will format system partition for sure and you need only drivers that you must install even if you want to update regularly your software.Download SuperSu it should replace your current root app and then from SuperSu choose "remove SuperSu" .That is all I can think off.
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simon its too late mate... i renamed my thread alredy and i think you did not read that its about walkaound flashing and unlocking.
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What is "[Q]Walkaround flashing and ulocking bootloader for Root>Unroot" supposed to mean? I walk around with my phone while I do it?
Changing the title of the thread doesn't change your laziness or your attitude.
SimonTS said:
What is "[Q]Walkaround flashing and ulocking bootloader for Root>Unroot" supposed to mean? I walk around with my phone while I do it?
Changing the title of the thread doesn't change your laziness or your attitude.
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I don't want to be mean but just STFU you can't tell me where i can post and when i can not.
And also you can't tell me what i can post and what i can not. ok ? now go QQ.
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I don't want to be mean but just STFU you can't tell me where i can post and when i can not.
And also you can't tell me what i can post and what i can not. ok ? now go QQ.
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Really? Simon is a long time member and he know what he's talking about. He might sound a bit mean sometimes but he's right!
I for myself created like one thread asking a question and the other things I sorted out myself with brief searching, reading and trying.
This question here has been answered already.
You're asking how to unroot without flashing back the stock ROM or unlocking bootloader.
It has been answered in this thread as well and a search (not just on XDA but on Google as well) would've get you to the same answers.
Simon can't tell you where to post and where not but he does as he is trying to get newer or ignorant XDA members to follow the rules.
And one of those rules is to search.
Not just a five minute look but a brief search even in related threads etc.
You won't learn anything by just asking and asking again but by trying and figuring out yourself.
So please do us a favor and stop posting unnecessary questions.
@laufersteppenwolf
I think this has gone way too far.
I know you're in hospital as far as I remember but maybe you can clean this thread if you get time to do so.
Thanks
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Omario-242 said:
Really? Simon is a long time member and he know what he's talking about. He might sound a bit mean sometimes but he's right!
I for myself created like one thread asking a question and the other things I sorted out myself with brief searching, reading and trying.
This question here has been answered already.
You're asking how to unroot without flashing back the stock ROM or unlocking bootloader.
It has been answered in this thread as well and a search (not just on XDA but on Google as well) would've get you to the same answers.
Simon can't tell you where to post and where not but he does as he is trying to get newer or ignorant XDA members to follow the rules.
And one of those rules is to search.
Not just a five minute look but a brief search even in related threads etc.
You won't learn anything by just asking and asking again but by trying and figuring out yourself.
So please do us a favor and stop posting unnecessary questions.
@laufersteppenwolf
I think this has gone way too far.
I know you're in hospital as far as I remember but maybe you can clean this thread if you get time to do so.
Thanks
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1.By the first few words you said i suspect that you define the pople by their registration date at XDA.
2. I didn't found answer to my question thats why i made thread. [Ans. It is actually possible SuperSu will remove root [not sure what kind of remove but still....[ Flashing with support tool is the way but is still flashing]
3. I am not ignorant and new at XDA. I am new to 4x HD section. Also without reading and asking you can't learn anything. Thats the point of the forum.
4. And i think it was necessary question. Since i've searched and couldn't find what i needed to know.
Finding related threads about "How to root", "How to unroot" all say just unlock reflash and relock. Why ? I've just find out today that i can simply run support tool and all will be fine. (Also mine is 446-92 FW I'm not sure if relockable yet.)
Also that standing behind someone just because he says few words that he has read at "Rules" In wrong place....
And just because its old member it's not cool mate im sorry but thats what i think.
Now if moderators think this is unnecesery thread can remove it.
dimi89 said:
@tuncay93 in LG update tool should be option "force update" or something like that.BTW I think easiest method is just to flesh.dz file since it will format system partition for sure and you need only drivers that you must install even if you want to update regularly your software.Download SuperSu it should replace your current root app and then from SuperSu choose "remove SuperSu" .That is all I can think off.
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Ye thats what i find out today theres walkaround for flashing and unlocking bootloader.
In lg support tool click options then upgrade recovery and you are good to go for warranty or whatever you need it for.
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1.By the first few words you said i suspect that you define the pople by their registration date at XDA.
2. I didn't found answer to my question thats why i made thread. [Ans. It is actually possible SuperSu will remove root [not sure what kind of remove but still....[ Flashing with support tool is the way but is still flashing]
3. I am not ignorant and new at XDA. I am new to 4x HD section. Also without reading and asking you can't learn anything. Thats the point of the forum.
4. And i think it was necessary question. Since i've searched and couldn't find what i needed to know.
Finding related threads about "How to root", "How to unroot" all say just unlock reflash and relock. Why ? I've just find out today that i can simply run support tool and all will be fine. (Also mine is 446-92 FW I'm not sure if relockable yet.)
Also that standing behind someone just because he says few words that he has read at "Rules" In wrong place....
And just because its old member it's not cool mate im sorry but thats what i think.
Now if moderators think this is unnecesery thread can remove it.
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Let's get behind this rules etc thing but if you'd read more about root function and flashing a stock firmware you would've know that root is installed in system and that a simple reflash unroots your system.
That's what I mean with reading and understanding the way your modified android device works.
I don't know if it's just me but I did know nearly everything about root before even bothering to root my device just in case if something goes wrong I exactly know what to do.
The answers are out there. Most questions can be solved by searching but many users don't do it or they don't have enough knowledge of Android to understand the given output of their searches.
And no I don't define people by their registration date but by the way they post on XDA.
And I'm not supporting Simon because he has said a few words about rules. I'm supporting him because he's been a long time member and follows the rules.
And sorry but if somebody is criticizing your thread in a forum like XDA and you're responding with "STFU" shows me that you're ignorant and lacking respect.
The fact that Simon is doing this is to keep people from posting 10 threads about the same question (like they tend to do) but search and know what they are doing.
The problem with the community is that most new users just follow tutorials but don't know what to do if something goes wrong (and believe me there always will be something that goes wrong) and then they create threads like "help I bricked my 4X HD".
Like I said if you'd know what rooting actually does inside your device you'd know what to do with information you get when you search for unroot.
Let's assume you are a new user and you now install SuperSU and somehow it messes something up.
What will you do? Do you know enough to mess with an android device? I really don't want you to take it personal but that's the way you should think about it.
And I have one question: Why do you want to unroot your device without reflashing stock firmware and think that unlocking boot loader would be necessary to unroot?
(and just one hint: it's not "walkaround" but workaround what you mean I guess)
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Let's get behind this rules etc thing but if you'd read more about root function and flashing a stock firmware you would've know that root is installed in system and that a simple reflash unroots your system.
That's what I mean with reading and understanding the way your modified android device works.
I don't know if it's just me but I did know nearly everything about root before even bothering to root my device just in case if something goes wrong I exactly know what to do.
The answers are out there. Most questions can be solved by searching but many users don't do it or they don't have enough knowledge of Android to understand the given output of their searches.
And no I don't define people by their registration date but by the way they post on XDA.
And I'm not supporting Simon because he has said a few words about rules. I'm supporting him because he's been a long time member and follows the rules.
And sorry but if somebody is criticizing your thread in a forum like XDA and you're responding with "STFU" shows me that you're ignorant and lacking respect.
The fact that Simon is doing this is to keep people from posting 10 threads about the same question (like they tend to do) but search and know what they are doing.
The problem with the community is that most new users just follow tutorials but don't know what to do if something goes wrong (and believe me there always will be something that goes wrong) and then they create threads like "help I bricked my 4X HD".
Like I said if you'd know what rooting actually does inside your device you'd know what to do with information you get when you search for unroot.
Let's assume you are a new user and you now install SuperSU and somehow it messes something up.
What will you do? Do you know enough to mess with an android device? I really don't want you to take it personal but that's the way you should think about it.
And I have one question: Why do you want to unroot your device without reflashing stock firmware and think that unlocking boot loader would be necessary to unroot?
(and just one hint: it's not "walkaround" but workaround what you mean I guess)
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Okey I know what Root is. I have been rooting and unlocking all my phones i've used to switch roms. (I know that reflashing is the solution)
But the problem is as i said my 4x HD isn't EUR-XXX it's 446-92 (Asian one i suspect)
So unlocking is possible but couldn't really find info about relocking.
And i was in need of workaround as you said (My english is not good) Because my power button its not responsive and the phone still has warranty and that button its going to brick it keeps going more and more unresponsive.
So i didn't wanted to unlock and reflash because i may void my warranty in that case i still need it.
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Okey I know what Root is. I have been rooting and unlocking all my phones i've used to switch roms. (I know that reflashing is the solution)
But the problem is as i said my 4x HD isn't EUR-XXX it's 446-92 (Asian one i suspect)
So unlocking is possible but couldn't really find info about relocking.
And i was in need of workaround as you said (My english is not good) Because my power button its not responsive and the phone still has warranty and that button its going to brick it keeps going more and more unresponsive.
So i didn't wanted to unlock and reflash because i may void my warranty in that case i still need it.
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You don't need to unlock anything in order to reflash the stock firmware with LG Support Tool.
That's what I was talking about. You don't know this because you didn't read enough about this device.
And about your warranty: if you'd search in that topic you may acknowledge that rooting doesn't void your warranty in most places as long as the failure (in your case the power button) isn't related to the slight software modification.
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You don't need to unlock anything in order to reflash the stock firmware with LG Support Tool.
That's what I was talking about. You don't know this because you didn't read enough about this device.
And about your warranty: if you'd search in that topic you may acknowledge that rooting doesn't void your warranty in most places as long as the failure (in your case the power button) isn't related to the slight software modification.
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Ye but i know here in my country all warranty providers are just looking for something that may void it and just root will void it i am sure.
But never thought support tool works after rooting or modification on software. i did not even think about searching for that you are right now.