Can anyone explain what is a battery cycle???
how should the charging pattern for our Galaxy S should be-
1. let the battery go down to less than 10% and then charge it to full.
or
2. charge in between(charging for some amount of time only- not letting battery to go to very low level).
Charge it when it convenient.
There's no free lunch. Draining the battery longer will reduce the amount of useful recharges. You can't overcharge the battery. On top of everything batteries are cheap.
At the end of the day throw your phone on charge and forget about it. If you use it a lot charge it during the day too.
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Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP
The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.
From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?
I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.
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You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.
I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)
kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.
depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.
duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.
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ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it
My xperia only lasts about a day with moderate internet usage, with moderate amount of necessary programs running (I ALWAYS close all apps after finishing).
Just a note, all my data connections are closed & tweaked to close after 2 mins of inactivity.
I heard that X1 batteries should last for ages.. at least 2 days to 4 days.
But I heard I need to flat out the battery, and then full charge it to 100%, followed by a soft reset. Apparently, this recalibrates the battery levels and users have reported battery life extend to 2 days to 3 days more!
So, my question is, if anyone has recalibrated their battery meters is..
1) After flatting my battery out, do I full-charge with the phone OFF or ON?
2) After I have fully charged, can I use PHM Soft Reset after windows boot-up?
Thanks.
I think you should buy another battery if you want more time.
My battery is down to about 50% on average after 8 hour work day. I have push e-mail and IM client and they always cause drain. 2-4 days would be if you didn't have consistent background services running.
As far as what you are saying about recalibrating the battery I think you are misinformed. Xperia has a Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer battery. Generally recharging frequently is better for it than doing a full drain. The type of full drain before recharge that you are describing was common recommended practice for Nickel Cadmium or Nickel Metal Hydride batteries. These could develop a "memory" in the battery which would dramatically reduce the amount of charge they would hold before they refused to charge.
If anyone has good evidence to the contrary I would love to be wrong, but I am pretty sure that with PUSH and IM there is no way to get a 1500mAH battery to last 3 days.
Also the radio you use and the area you are in (proximity to towers) can have a significant effect on your battery life.
charge it when it off for - + 1 Hr .
it will saty about 2 days
Hannigan174 said:
As far as what you are saying about recalibrating the battery I think you are misinformed. Xperia has a Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer battery. Generally recharging frequently is better for it than doing a full drain. The type of full drain before recharge that you are describing was common recommended practice for Nickel Cadmium or Nickel Metal Hydride batteries. These could develop a "memory" in the battery which would dramatically reduce the amount of charge they would hold before they refused to charge.
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This is not absolutely true. It's true that Lithium battaries don't develop "memory" problems on their energy storing part, but they have a small circuit and this circuit is possible to develop the "memory" effect. This circuit is the one that decides that battery is full and cuts energy supply or informs about the percentage of the battery power remaining. This circuit for example is the reason that there is no point anymore on having the battery charged for 24 hours when you charge it for the first time.
IMHO you could try emptying the battery and charging it again when the device is off. Don't try to drain the battery completely as it could damage its power storing part.
i think i have the same problem about my X1. when i full charge my battery and after a few hours it goes 50% and sometimes my battery indicator says that i have 80% and after a soft reset the battery indicator says i have 20% weird...
So most people should have heard about currentwidget by now, most people talk about it and use it to see what battery drain occurs during standby mode or airplane mode.
Now I'm sure most know this but incase you didn't, currentwidget helps to ensure your battery is fully charged as well. This is good for people that complain about their battery dropping quickly after a full charge.
You can use currentwidget to monitor your charge, when the battery says its 100% and led is green, currentwidget still shows power going to the battery in form of "ma". I noticed my battery said it was charged and eventho at 100%, currentwidget still showed "ma" is being delivered to the battery . After two hours only it showed 0ma, now I'm sure that means that eventho my phone said its charged, it wasn't fully charged until 0ma were displayed in currentwidget. Since I noticed that, I've been charging my battery "fully" and did notice my battery stayed much longer in the 90-100% aisle when being unplugged.
So if you feel ur battery drops too quickly from a full charge, use this widget to help monitor your charge.
yep, tnx for the tip, im useing clarus battery and its do the same - and i like the widigt so...
the current widget always shows some value of mA . how do we know when the battery is really full ?
Well with me after 1hour at 100%, it shows 0ma. That's when I know the battery is completely full and reached its maximum capacity.
I don't think waiting for the battery to get to the 0mA level is good for the battery performance. Usually the green LED comes on when the widget shows 50mA.
A high-charge concentration for a long time in a Li-Ion battery is bad for the battery. Thats why mobile phones have a little buffer to stop the entire capacity to be full, and try to lose the first part of the full charge as fast as possible.
Since i use some RC Helicopter with li-po/li-ion that both have the same way to produce energy, I have learned how to use this kind of battery and how to ensure a good battery life/durability.
There is no reason to worry about the battery if you follow those few recommendation (given by a battery producer):
-Your battery has to be charged with a current of 1C max (1C mean 1230mA for a 1230mAh capacity).
-Your battery voltage must not be over 4250mV. If you go over, you may damage the battery and risk random explosion/fire. In normal use, it's better to not go over 4200mV.
If you charge the battery with your phone, you will never be able to go over 4200mV because the charge stop automatically before.
-Your battery must not be under 3300mV. Same risk as above. In normal use, it is better to not go under 3450-3500mV to ensure a good battery durability (numbers of cycle charge/decharge). I think the phone show 0% at near of 3450mV, but never check this cause i never wait my phone to be as close to the death.
-Your battery has to be drain at a current of 10C max, i.e for desire HD , 12.30A (1230mAh x 10).
impossible to reach that current with your smartphone so no worries about burning your cpu with heavy bench.
Whatever you do respecting this will not be harmful for your battery.
im just wondering if i should drain the battery of my nexus before i recharge the battery or is it enough to recharge if it prompts (like 15% battery life and below).
when is the best time to recharge to extend the battery life?
Just plug it in as and when really.
In terms of battery shelf life, I doubt it matters as long as you don't do a bunch of short charges that waste charge cycles. In terms of how much battery life you'll see from your phone, let it drain until it shuts off once every few weeks to keep the cells aware of their proper shutoff point.
its just that days ago my battery percentage still goes to 0 percent before it shuts off.. now after it prompts to recharge battery, about 15%, few minutes after it already shuts down.. maybe because i always drain the battery before i charge..
my app in my signature fixes the nexus battery if it dies early. need to be rooted though.
the "age" register in your battery needs to be adjusted to the proper value for your specific battery, which is done by a learn cycle. read the thread for details.
my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?
Power if off and charge.
If it still shows 50% charge return it.
Not acceptable, especially if the actual SOT reflects that.
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my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?
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Did you try turning off adaptive charging?
hi
turn off the adaptive charging
I would return it immediately before you pass the window. I wanted to return mine for fingerprint reader issues, but I waited too long and now my only option is to swap it for a refurb device which is less than ideal.
Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.
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Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.
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Bump that low to at least 20% especially if you fast charge. It's the higher current load/temperature at the first 20% that causes the stress. It's important the battery is at least 72F at charge start, preferably 82-90F to avoid Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell if it occurs.
I aim for 40-80% usage range. That said on this heavily used device I expect about a 1.5 year battery life. Replacing batteries is just part of routine maintenance, no big deal.
While I always fast charge however I do midrange power cycling, what Li's prefer; it's less stressful. I'll frequently do 20% amounts too. What's convenient for me at the time. Rarely go above 90% as it's rather pointless and disproportionally increases charging time vs usage time.
Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%
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Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%
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If you resign yourself to changing out the battery when it's degraded (80% of its original capacity) it's not a big deal.
A battery failure is a big deal though; one I had came close to damaging the display on my N10+. That battery was degraded, lasted less then 1.5 years. I got lucky that time... not going to push my luck again especially over a cheap repair like a battery replacement.