Just FYI: I got off the phone with a bud of mine that works at Motorola. To be honest the reason I called him was I wanted the XML set for the Bionic and I was hoping he could slip it to me so I could get us setup.
To my dismay... he said this:
Ever since the thing with Google was announced EVERYTHING is on lockdown. There is no more swapping motorola devices back and forth between various project developers, everyone can only work on the devices they are assigned and the sensitive stuff is not allowed off site anymore.
Used to be he would come over to my house and unlock my bootloader. Not anymore.
So we can all thank Google for the tightened security at Motorola. Thanks G!
Interesting.
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Well that sucks. Love for Google circling the drain along with VZW and electronic freedom :-(
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I would imagine they'd fire your friend or worse for what he's doing. I'm assuming they didn't know he was going out and unlocking BL's etc?
My thoughts are, with the patent wars, Google is trying to cover their ass right now. Until the proposed deal is approved, they are wanting to make sure that nothing slips thru the cracks that could be harmful to their cause in the hands of the opposition. Not to mention, they probably have some new devices in testing along with new hardware components that would be in Google's best interest not to have leaked until they are certified by the FCC. I am going to have to give Google the benefit of the doubt, and say until the deal is approved, they are doing what they can to cover their asses.
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My thoughts are, with the patent wars, Google is trying to cover their ass right now. Until the proposed deal is approved, they are wanting to make sure that nothing slips thru the cracks that could be harmful to their cause in the hands of the opposition. Not to mention, they probably have some new devices in testing along with new hardware components that would be in Google's best interest not to have leaked until they are certified by the FCC. I am going to have to give Google the benefit of the doubt, and say until the deal is approved, they are doing what they can to cover their asses.
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+1, In the world of business mergers and acquisitions, things get put on lockdown during transfer of ownership....Lets hope things get better once the deal is done.
If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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+1 I think this has more to do with VZW than google....
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If it was Google's fault, the Nexus' and Honeycomb tablets would be locked down. Just my opinion.
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The Nexus devices are developers phones and the only Moto HC tablet is also a dev device. Not saying it is Google's fault, but it certainly still is a possibility. I personally believe it's the fascist ************s at VZW, and Moto is their lapdog.
That is the point. I would believe, Google would prefer a 'pure' experience on all devices. But, to convince manufacturers to build devices they let them skin it to personalize the experience. Expecting people to buy for their experience, not only their hardware.
I owned an Atrix (still do, but haven't been keeping up 100% lately and just switched to bionic) and if I remember correctly, the moto-google deal wasn't until a fair bit after the release of the Atrix and the unlock of the atrix came after the deal news first broke. I'm not saying this is necessarily proof of anything, but it's the opposite of what one would expect if the info in the OP is true.
Hasn't moto been kind of known for being a pain in the ass about locked bootloaders? I remember a lot of people had very little hope for the atrix being unlocked because of previous devices that never saw a full unlock.
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just got a call from gloria of the fcc saying that they are serving verizon wireless with violations of the locked bootloader on moto devices!
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just got a call from gloria of the fcc saying that they are serving verizon wireless with violations of the locked bootloader on moto devices!
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Fo ril for real?!?!?!
And who are you that they would call you?
My name is Vincent Angelo and I filed a complaint on this issue. I am a nobody in the world of phone tech and developing, why she called me, I dont know.
if further proof is needed ill even screen shot the number that came in on my phone.
What did she ask you?
she asked me if I filed a complaint with moto or verizon, and I said both she said ok and followed with the fcc will be serving verizon accordingly on this issue. ended conversation with thank you have a nice day.
Good it seems like we all signing that protest is working
We should of done it sooner
That remains to be seen. Fingers crossed though!
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bhp117 said:
Good it seems like we all signing that protest is working
We should of done it sooner
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Umm, this isn't the first petition about locked bootloaders, there was several back when I had my DX.
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Umm, this isn't the first petition about locked bootloaders, there was several back when I had my DX.
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No legal issues with the dx having a locked bootloader.
I still doubt the bionic will ever be unlocked....
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No legal issues with the dx having a locked bootloader.
I still doubt the bionic will ever be unlocked....
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It probably will get unlocked, though it would probably happen about 2 years after release when we don't care anymore and have moved on to another phone.
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Where do I sign?
Personally I would be very skeptical about a call from the FCC. I (like you) am a nobody in the development world, more of a lurker. I just use and learn from all the hard work of the devs, and appreciate every bit of it.
vote with your wallet guys.
The Bionic is my last Motorola product...no matter how much I like Motorola. That goes for the 8.2 I also would like to get.
Motorola is lying (quite clearly) by blaming VZW. And VZW is probably lying also.
They can unlock the bootloaders if HTC and Samsung have both done it. They choose to ignore the ones who keep their phones at the frontline for development and ultimately I hope they fall on their sword.
If Google does indeed get the confirmation to buy them out, I hope some things change around the "M" headquarters....
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vote with your wallet guys.
The Bionic is my last Motorola product...no matter how much I like Motorola. That goes for the 8.2 I also would like to get.
Motorola is lying (quite clearly) by blaming VZW. And VZW is probably lying also.
They can unlock the bootloaders if HTC and Samsung have both done it. They choose to ignore the ones who keep their phones at the frontline for development and ultimately I hope they fall on their sword.
If Google does indeed get the confirmation to buy them out, I hope some things change around the "M" headquarters....
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Motorola isn't lying about VZW, and VZW doesn't deny it. Yes, they can unlock the phone, or allow it to be unlocked like those other phones on VZW, but that is the reason VZW has a huge marketing budget for Motorola phones and not so much for the others.
Either way, I agree. This is my last device with an encrypted bootloader. Moto, VZW whoever it is, is spitting in the face of Android with this bootloader...it actually seem illegal to not give one full ownership of their device.
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vote with your wallet guys.
The Bionic is my last Motorola product...no matter how much I like Motorola. That goes for the 8.2 I also would like to get.
Motorola is lying (quite clearly) by blaming VZW. And VZW is probably lying also.
They can unlock the bootloaders if HTC and Samsung have both done it. They choose to ignore the ones who keep their phones at the frontline for development and ultimately I hope they fall on their sword.
If Google does indeed get the confirmation to buy them out, I hope some things change around the "M" headquarters....
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Its not that I disagree with you, but...show me some proof about this.
"Motorola is lying (quite clearly) by blaming VZW". I'm not seeing as clearly as you obviously are.
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I will sign just show me where!!
Petition is here:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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So as it turns out, Motorola will also be locking down the bootloader for the upcoming Atrix HD....big surprise, eh?
However, something in this article is a bit noteworthy:
"...our goal is still to provide a way to unlock the bootloaders on our devices to those who wish to do so, more details to come."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...e-a-way-to-unlock-to-those-who-wish-to-do-so/
There's one guy around here that has a sig that says "Motorola lied I'm still locked" or something similar... he's got the right idea about it, and words mean nothing and neither do their broken promises so, until we see and can actually make use of a real honest to goodness unlocked bootloader, Motorola can stick their words someplace, you get to choose where.
4 words: Too little too late!
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))
Lies all lies...
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Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))
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And now they're trying to relock It with the new updates
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
Those are cheap lies from motorola. They played that scenerio very well with the XT910. Don't ever buy a phone motorola with locked bootloader with the hope of it could be unlocked in the future.
+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.
+1
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+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.
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+1. Totally Agreed.
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Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))
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The 4G wasn't officially unlocked when the Atrix 2 was released. We got lucky on that one...hence the cheesecake checking for the Atrix 2 in hopes that lightning strikes twice.
This is a tough one:
I REALLY wanna upgrade my phone, but I'm not sure if I want to wait to be able to do what I can now..
Its bull we heard it all with the defy and the atrix and then the razr
Don't forget when they said that about the razr they then released the dev version so you had to buy another phone.
I'm done with moto, their excellent hardware cant make up for their bad software hence why I brought a Samsung GS3 the only thing I can hope for this device is that they stick to their word(not gonna happen) or that if your lucky devs like quarx and eppy from the defy get helping here.
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I have never seen Moto as a anything more than the gimmick device provider for Verizon so to me this is business as usual....
Moto dropped the ball long ago....quality? In what? Superior Screens? To who? HTC has done some dumb crap too but have way out built Moto in the quality field....Samsung has leveled the entire industry with their technology. Moto does nothing except pack into their devices COMPARABLE hardware to other manufacturers....innovate nowhere....they amaze no one....from form to the most terrible UI....Atrix line? Fail.....Razr....I will give them battery on the Max but lose points for a sub par OMAP....sure its just my opinion but I can't see people being upset anymore over this BS entity.......Moto and Apple need to attend some courses on innovation because they are both all out of it.
Google should employ some good XDA devs to turn that dying rat platform into something good again....Moto has lost the will to out do.
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I have never seen Moto as a anything more than the gimmick device provider for Verizon so to me this is business as usual....
Moto dropped the ball long ago....quality? In what? Superior Screens? To who? HTC has done some dumb crap too but have way out built Moto in the quality field....Samsung has leveled the entire industry with their technology. Moto does nothing except pack into their devices COMPARABLE hardware to other manufacturers....innovate nowhere....they amaze no one....from form to the most terrible UI....Atrix line? Fail.....Razr....I will give them battery on the Max but lose points for a sub par OMAP....sure its just my opinion but I can't see people being upset anymore over this BS entity.......Moto and Apple need to attend some courses on innovation because they are both all out of it.
Google should employ some good XDA devs to turn that dying rat platform into something good again....Moto has lost the will to out do.
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I don't feel like arguing with a troll but you're wrong plain and simple. Don't like them, don't buy them.
Back on topic, don't ever buy a device expecting future functionality, you'll always end up disappointed.
Son et Lumiere said:
I don't feel like arguing with a troll but you're wrong plain and simple. Don't like them, don't buy them.
Back on topic, don't ever buy a device expecting future functionality, you'll always end up disappointed.
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I am an adult and know that only name calling causes arguments.....so you should not call people trolls who actually are device fanatics and know what they are talking about.
Also an opinion can't be wrong....you should know this if you are old enough to use a keyboard.
Also replying to an opinion with no rebuttal other than your wrong and not even singling out one superior feature, makes your comment a complete fail.....
Last, a reply to the stupidest thing I have EVER read ....."don't buy a device expecting future functionality"....????????....are you serious?....granted five years down the road I would expect nothing.....but buying devices that can hold its own for a few years is called being a smart consumer
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I am an adult and know that only name calling causes arguments.....so you should not call people trolls who actually are device fanatics and know what they are talking about.
Also an opinion can't be wrong....you should know this if you are old enough to use a keyboard.
Also replying to an opinion with no rebuttal other than your wrong and not even singling out one superior feature, makes your comment a complete fail.....
Last, a reply to the stupidest thing I have EVER read ....."don't buy a device expecting future functionality"....????????....are you serious?....granted five years down the road I would expect nothing.....but buying devices that can hold its own for a few years is called being a smart consumer
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You don't act like an adult.....at all.
adelvillar said:
+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.
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+1 for not buying a phone because it has a locked bootloader.
-1 for thinking motorola (or any major OEM) cares about or listens to people like us. For every person who will not buy an atrix hd because of the bootloader, there are twenty people who will be somewhat annoyed but still buy one, and 1,000 people who will say "what's a locked bootloader?"
Moto knew this would create backlash but they did it anyway. The GS3 is unlocked on at&t, so I don't necessarily believe it was at&t's fault. Moto's message is loud and clear: "Android hobbyists and developers: We DO NOT care about you."
That said, I DO think we can get motorola to change, but missing sales from the open bootloader crowd simply isn't enough. Bad publicity on social networks, petitions, and hopefully an article about the bad publicity and petition on an android news site. How do we get the numbers? Get people who hate locked bootloaders, at&t, and/or motorola to sign. Then get some casual users involved, by describing the bootloader in overly simplified terms. Invoke carrier IQ and privacy, invoke freedom, etc.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of buzz around the atrix HD, so this may be easier said than done, but it would be nice because the atrix HD seems like it has the potential to be a truly great phone, I would suggest it over the Nexus in a heartbeat if it was totally unlocked and easy to install stock AOSP like ROM.
Ya you are right
+1 for not buying a locked bootloader phone.
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I once bought a Motorola Android (Atrix 4g), they make great build quality devices, and I'd buy a product of theirs again if they actually decided to ship their devices unlocked...they did this with the Atrix 4g people clamored for it to be unlocked...they said they would provide a solution they never did officially, it was only by luck that a leaked HK firmware for the phone pointed Devs in the direction on how to unlock the BL, fast forward some months and they have been releasing updates that relock the BL with no way to SBF back..Take a look on the verizon side, moto makes flagship phone for them, what did they do ship a Droid Razr with locked BL, their solution release a Dev device with unlocked BL and no warranty...So if we look at their track record on how to deal with BLs I dont put much faith in them, if anything their solution will be to release another Atrix HD Dev edition...too bad too cuz for 99 bux the Atrix HD seems like a solid deal...but I for one will not support them for shipping with a locked BL.
Sorry to be confusing locked bootlocker and locked phone. Can the phone be used for travelling to other countries? That is, using prepaid Simcard to countries that I will be travelling to.
So with the Nexus 4 around the corner, I'm sure a lot of us are wondering if we should keep messing with this phone. The Nexus 4 is 300 bucks for the 8gb version, so you could sell this phone and get 150-200, and cover the rest. It is completely unlocked and has higher specs all around than this phone (besides no LTE which may stop me from buying it). So I was wondering how much of this community will stay with the AHD. It's a great device, especially with the new battery, but is it worth not be able to flash as many roms as possible to it? Let me know your opinions and help me make up my mind! If I do decide to get it I will have a AHD with the battey mod, otterbox, TPU case, hdmi, and Zagg screen protector for sale lol. But seriously anyone open to speak their minds? I don't know what to do!
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So with the Nexus 4 around the corner, I'm sure a lot of us are wondering if we should keep messing with this phone. The Nexus 4 is 300 bucks for the 8gb version, so you could sell this phone and get 150-200, and cover the rest. It is completely unlocked and has higher specs all around than this phone (besides no LTE which may stop me from buying it). So I was wondering how much of this community will stay with the AHD. It's a great device, especially with the new battery, but is it worth not be able to flash as many roms as possible to it? Let me know your opinions and help me make up my mind! If I do decide to get it I will have a AHD with the battey mod, otterbox, TPU case, hdmi, and Zagg screen protector for sale lol. But seriously anyone open to speak their minds? I don't know what to do!
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Given the lack of a working recovery at this point. I'm giving serious consideration to picking up a N4 as my primary, and keeping my AHD as a backup.
If you read the reviews on the N4, in spite of the newer hardware, it still gets spanked by the One X, and the S3. HERE on Anandtech.
Knowing that my phone spanks both the OneX as well as the S3 like a red headed step child, it's going to be tough moving to a somewhat slower phone, but having a working recovery to backup, and flash my ROMs as updates occur is much more important to me
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Given the lack of a working recovery at this point. I'm giving serious consideration to picking up a N4 as my primary, and keeping my AHD as a backup.
If you read the reviews on the N4, in spite of the newer hardware, it still gets spanked by the One X, and the S3. HERE on Anandtech.
Knowing that my phone spanks both the OneX as well as the S3 like a red headed step child, it's going to be tough moving to a somewhat slower phone, but having a working recovery to backup, and flash my ROMs as updates occur is much more important to me
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Everything I have read says that it's better than the S3 and One X. I know Hashcode will get a recovery worked out. I am also annoying Moto on twitter and their live chat. So we will see if they ever unlock this bootloader.
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Everything I have read says that it's better than the S3 and One X. I know Hashcode will get a recovery worked out. I am also annoying Moto on twitter and their live chat. So we will see if they ever unlock this bootloader.
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lol read my hits @motorola. I try to spank them daily. Remember when tweeting them to use #motofail lol
As to the N4 being better than the One X and S3, read the link. The only thing it beats the S3 and One X is in gaming, and as I've said before, that's what my XBox is for, not my phone
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lol read my hits @motorola. I try to spank them daily. Remember when tweeting them to use #motofail lol
As to the N4 being better than the One X and S3, read the link. The only thing it beats the S3 and One X is in gaming, and as I've said before, that's what my XBox is for, not my phone
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Ah, do you see any chance of us getting the bootloader unlocked? It looked like Matt was making good progress, I'm guessing that is when he bricked his phone, although I dont know for sure. Or do you think this phone will end up getting left behind completely. I really like this phone, but I am tired of moto already. Seriously, coming out with a dev version 4 months after the retail???? With NO word it will ever come out. That is absolute bs. At least let us trade in out retail version for the dev version (obviously with a small upgrade fee, maybe 50-100 bucks). I would be fine with that and it would be do able for them.
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Ah, do you see any chance of us getting the bootloader unlocked? It looked like Matt was making good progress, I'm guessing that is when he bricked his phone, although I dont know for sure. Or do you think this phone will end up getting left behind completely. I really like this phone, but I am tired of moto already. Seriously, coming out with a dev version 4 months after the retail???? With NO word it will ever come out. That is absolute bs. At least let us trade in out retail version for the dev version (obviously with a small upgrade fee, maybe 50-100 bucks). I would be fine with that and it would be do able for them.
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I don't know wtf Moto is up to lately?!?
I was reading that there's a "brick wall" between Google and Moto, meaning that Google bought them for their patents, and they refuse to show any bias towards them in fear of pissing off other phone manufacturers.
I sure wish Google would rethink this strategy, and start building phones that really blow anything else out of the water.
They have the OS, and they now own a company that has the "potential" to build the best phones out, yet they keep frigging things up.
I know I'll never purchase another Moto phone until/unless they start rethinking their strategy, and at the very least stop encrypting the signatures for the bootloaders.
Just my .02c
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I don't know wtf Moto is up to lately?!?
I was reading that there's a "brick wall" between Google and Moto, meaning that Google bought them for their patents, and they refuse to show any bias towards them in fear of pissing off other phone manufacturers.
I sure wish Google would rethink this strategy, and start building phones that really blow anything else out of the water.
They have the OS, and they now own a company that has the "potential" to build the best phones out, yet they keep frigging things up.
I know I'll never purchase another Moto phone until/unless they start rethinking their strategy, and at the very least stop encrypting the signatures for the bootloaders.
Just my .02c
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Yea I read that also, I also read the that "brick wall" may, just may, be full of holes lol
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Yea I read that also, I also read the that "brick wall" may, just may, be full of holes lol
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Let's hope that no one starts sticking their thumbs in those holes lol
LG phone? You know that build quality is about on par with a fake Chinese triple sim yPhone... forget it...
Ill buy another phone when it can be converted to a laptop with the whole bundle costing under $300.
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LG phone? You know that build quality is about on par with a fake Chinese triple sim yPhone... forget it...
Ill buy another phone when it can be converted to a laptop with the whole bundle costing under $300.
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From reviews, it suppose to be pretty high quality. Also is suppose to feel nice in the hand. With that said, still a good point and something to look for.
LG's build quailty is under-rated. Same as with any hobby or whatever you call this phone obsession. People look at price and give it a bad name. I think LG started turning the corner with the Nitro. It was a solid phone. Nothing compares to Moto though with build quality. But I think LG beats Samsung and HTC.
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LG phone? You know that build quality is about on par with a fake Chinese triple sim yPhone... forget it...
Ill buy another phone when it can be converted to a laptop with the whole bundle costing under $300.
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Yeah ummm OK. Google is going to allow LG to build them a cheap azz phone as their flagship Nexus device?!?
And keep holding your breath for that bundle under $300.00 lol
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Yeah ummm OK. Google is going to allow LG to build them a cheap azz phone as their flagship Nexus device
And keep holding your breath for that bundle under $300.00 lol
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I have had lg phones back in the day that crapped out on me, BUT my roommate has an lg phone and it has been a great phone for him.
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I have had lg phones back in the day that crapped out on me, BUT my roommate has an lg phone and it has been a great phone for him.
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Yeah, while I'm not a big fan of LG devices, the N4 was built to Google's specs, not LG's.
For soljagirl to say otherwise was ludicrous lol
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Yeah, while I'm not a big fan of LG devices, the N4 was built to Google's specs, not LG's.
For soljagirl to say otherwise was ludicrous lol
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Not to mention there is no way any of us have actually used the device yet. I did see a review where the back was already cracked though. Not a good sign, but could also just be a freak accident.
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Not to mention there is no way any of us have actually used the device yet. I did see a review where the back was already cracked though. Not a good sign, but could also just be a freak accident.
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Anandtech's Performance review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Their "Closer Look" review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6419/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-a-closer-look
The back is made of glass, the one big negative if you're one not to use a case.
Like no one learned anything from the mistakes of the IPhone/IPod?!?
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Anandtech's Performance review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Their "Closer Look" review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6419/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-a-closer-look
The back is made of glass, the one big negative if you're one not to use a case.
Like no one learned anything from the mistakes of the IPhone/IPod?!?
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I wish I could send my Atrix HD to google and get a good percentage off on this phone lol. I am over not being able to flash away. That is a big reason I got an android, I wanted to learn to develop roms. Unfortunately I feel that is much harder on a locked down device lol
Oh I'm staying. Don't need the nexus 4. Very happy with my Had.
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Oh I'm staying. Don't need the nexus 4. Very happy with my Had.
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Haha I agree, I will be giving it a few more months! I have decided to wait lol
I'll definitely be sticking with the Atrix HD. I was a flashaholic on my Atrix 4G so I was disappointed that this phone has a locked down bootloader. On the other hand, I've had absolutely no complaints about this phone especially where battery life is concerned with the EB40. Having all the power that this phone has to offer with excellent battery life is just what I needed. This phone has completely replaced my computers altogether. As for the bootloader, Hashcode has already done tremendous work on getting safestrap working for our devices. Why worry about a locked bootloader when we can get around it with safestrap? Isn't the point of an unlocked bootloader to get a custom recovery for flashing and isn't that what safestrap hopes to do without the need for unlocking the bootloader? I won't be giving this phone up anytime soon and I look forward to getting a Paranoid Android build going for it.
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So I work at Sprint and we finally had a Motorola Representative come down and speak to use (we sell the Photon Q which is like the droid 4 with a bigger screen). I told him about my experiences with the Droid 3 and what we were doing here. I told him about XDA's shared hatred towards Sanjay and he said he understood. He basically admitted that the Droid 3 should have never happened and that the Droid 4 was already practically made when the Droid 3 was being sold, basically because they already dumped money in to the droid 3 so they had to unload it on the consumer (Sanjay's fault). Some of the positive things he mentioned was that with the new leadership, updates are going to happen much more often and that flagship phones won't have 59 variations. Motorola will also start keeping it's promise to keep phone's up to date for 18 months as well.
I asked him about the bootloader blog debacle and he basically said that Verizon came in and put their foot down, which made them not follow through on what they said was going to happen. Actually in the end he said 90% of things are Verizon's fault (I wouldn't doubt it). They do have a huge advertising campaign that is practically paid for by Verizon, Verizon uses that to their advantage and blackmails them to do their bidding. He also mentioned that alot of his fellow employees are hoping that Google can strong arm Verizon into sitting the %#@& down and getting over themselves, allowing them to do a signed bootloader unlocking. He says that it should allow you to register your phone's ESN to MotoDev and it would then send a message back to the Verizon that the warranty is void but it would allow people to unlock the bootloader. Hardware warranty will still be covered by Moto, just not through Verizon and Asurion (unless you pay a deposit) There are a lot of angry sales people who do not like to sell Motorola phones due to their bloatware and locked boot-loader practices and Motorola knows that it isn't good for sales. He says the most common notes he sends back to HQ usually contain something about the bootloader, less motoblur, and death to Sanjay.
If you have any questions I can try to get in contact with him and see what else he has to say or if I asked him a question I forgot to put it in this post I can answer it. I grilled him for an hour.
Holy crap thanks. I hope they update us.
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Wow. So does this mean there is still hope yet?
Nope. It means that this phone is forgotten but future devices starting next quarter will be supported much better. Sorry.
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
doogald said:
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
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Well Death to Sanjay was the most common note this year, and I still hold him accountable for our droid 3's.
cobravnm13 said:
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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Wait for the S4. The S4 will be out sometime in April and will have a 1080p screen, rumored to have no bezel (edge to edge display), quadcore and the unbreakable flex display, and a 13mp camera. Samsung is seriously going after the iphone with this one. This is the one I am saving for but I will end up going to Sprint due to Verizon's data plans.
Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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jesusishere said:
Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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That would be awesome.
It sounds like the future at Motorola will be a lot better. We've already seen the fast updates for the Razr HD and M, hopefully Motorola gets the update out to their late 2011 phones as well.
I'm looking at getting the Razr M as my phone when I can upgrade in early 2013 unless something better comes out, since its one of the few phones without a huge screen. Its already got JB and Hash has safestrap working on it, so there will be some dev support. I'll keep my Droid 3 as a spare VZW phone and to mess around with ROMs on.
I would pledge $20 towards a BL unlock or an exploit like on the MDK S4 for the AT&T s6 and s6 edge.
Anyone know of an existing bounty?
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justda said:
I would pledge $20 towards a BL unlock or an exploit like on the MDK S4 for the AT&T s6 and s6 edge.
Anyone know of an existing bounty?
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My guess since no one has unlocked the bootloaders since the S3 updates, then S4, S5, Note 4....many with bounties there, that it is pointless to make another. I believe the assumption is the bootloader lock is similar for them all.
Even if you put $20 million on it, there is no hope.
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Even if you put $20 million on it, there is no hope.
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If you put 20 million in it the carrier may view that as a solid business case to release it themselves.
Without doomcalling...but it feels like XDA is going the way of the dinosaur with respect to carrier phones. With improved general experience, and a tightly locked bootloader, what's there left to do?
I felt so much more into my htc ThunderBolt...we even got important upgrades, like ice cream sandwich, before the masses at Verizon. I wish we could have those days again, but with a more powerful device. I'm still using my S4, which I rooted, then had to unroot due to a faulty charging port warranty claim. I never bothered to re-root...
As a long time PC gamer, it's disheartening to see our devices going this way. The smartphone is essentially the successor to the PC in a lot of ways for many people. And we accept things so hideously controlled...it's like buying a PC with tons of unremovable spyware baked in.
I'd love to see this bootloader cracked. But it's right up there on the list next to restoring our privacy and freedoms...
Dannar said:
Without doomcalling...but it feels like XDA is going the way of the dinosaur with respect to carrier phones. With improved general experience, and a tightly locked bootloader, what's there left to do?
I felt so much more into my htc ThunderBolt...we even got important upgrades, like ice cream sandwich, before the masses at Verizon. I wish we could have those days again, but with a more powerful device. I'm still using my S4, which I rooted, then had to unroot due to a faulty charging port warranty claim. I never bothered to re-root...
As a long time PC gamer, it's disheartening to see our devices going this way. The smartphone is essentially the successor to the PC in a lot of ways for many people. And we accept things so hideously controlled...it's like buying a PC with tons of unremovable spyware baked in.
I'd love to see this bootloader cracked. But it's right up there on the list next to restoring our privacy and freedoms...
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I feel the same way. Back in the days of the HTC Aria And SGS2 it was quite a different experience. Even the LG Optimus G had some cool stuff going on with it being almost an N4 clone, even though it had a relatively small dev community.
Dannar said:
Without doomcalling...but it feels like XDA is going the way of the dinosaur with respect to carrier phones. With improved general experience, and a tightly locked bootloader, what's there left to do?
I felt so much more into my htc ThunderBolt...we even got important upgrades, like ice cream sandwich, before the masses at Verizon. I wish we could have those days again, but with a more powerful device. I'm still using my S4, which I rooted, then had to unroot due to a faulty charging port warranty claim. I never bothered to re-root...
As a long time PC gamer, it's disheartening to see our devices going this way. The smartphone is essentially the successor to the PC in a lot of ways for many people. And we accept things so hideously controlled...it's like buying a PC with tons of unremovable spyware baked in.
I'd love to see this bootloader cracked. But it's right up there on the list next to restoring our privacy and freedoms...
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I doubt XDA will become a pool of oil beneath the Earth :silly: but there are major differences between now and "back then." Back then there were lots of leaks and bits of info that got you tars before they were released. Back then XDA had maybe 1 million members, now closing towards 7 million. XDA became popular, carriers started sending in spies as well as manufacturers, plus breakthroughs and leaks here are plastered on front pages of other phone sites. The carriers have tightened security on their leaks. Samsung, Google, etc have hired those known to crack bootloaders and root to prevent anyone else from being able to do it. "We" at XDA are becoming more diverse with more and more premium smart phones being released quarterly. Back then every carrier didn't have a version of the same phone...it trickled with the Note and S2, but blew up to all carriers with the S3 and Note 2. Now with Xposed and root you can do a lot of the things yourself you wanted in custom ROMs..so the developers took another hit on being able to bring things to you that no one else can.
Sorry if I seem like I am rambling on...too much coffee already
Hopefully the next generation of Chainfire, Jcase, Beaups, Geohot....shows up soon with things that can bring back strong development.