Has anyone figured out how to get windows 8 on the Dell Streak 7. This owuld be interesting. Can someone try to see if its possible.
You cant, period.
Win8/ARM isnt even available yet
Win8 needs a UEFI bootloader(?)
No drivers
I'm going to take a look at it, but most likely it won't happen.
For get about windows on the streak 7.... It would make more sense to have full ubuntu on this tablet...
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For get about windows on the streak 7.... It would make more sense to have full ubuntu on this tablet...
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agreed...
Thorough there is no Arm version of windows 8 at this moment it will have one mobile version, microsoft work on it ( for getting inside mobile market )
concerning Drivers , like other windows version , drivers are inside because it supporte tegra 3 , so tegra 2 also ( i suppose that , no source)
So yes I think you can .
Question is : How to put it on.
But i join precedent post , i prefer have android 3.2 ( and i would want test 4 if i find tutorial to do it ,thanks if you mp me links ) wich is designed for this wonderful tab ( yes i love it ! but damned I hate the browser installed, and stil no chrome available ...sigh )
I m french man so ... sorry for my poor , bad , ugly english . ( don't report me i do my best ! )
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If you are that desperate for windows on the dell streak 7 look into windows embedded or windows compact embedded (more than likely the one you want) then theme it to look and work like win8 although you will have all kinds of problems with it initially but hey at least its progress... also win8 (yes the RT variant too I believe) is locked to utilise the touch screen features on display ratio's greater than 1366x768 although that could probably be changed with registry patches, so unless you could get it on the streak 7 with native OTG support then you may have some luck if you manage to port the RT variant to the streak in the first place...
TLDR: probably a fair bit of work pulling it from an RT device first then even more pushing it to another
Windows 8 RT (ARM VERSION) will be coming out soon, on the Surface Tab. I'm sure a port of it is going to be possible, maybe not for this device but for other Android devices in the near future.
Hopefully someone will dedicate their time to porting Windows 8 RT onto this device.
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Windows 8 RT (ARM VERSION) will be coming out soon, on the Surface Tab. I'm sure a port of it is going to be possible, maybe not for this device but for other Android devices in the near future.
Hopefully someone will dedicate their time to porting Windows 8 RT onto this device.
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the same was said about WP7, never saw it on any device that was released without it already
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the same was said about WP7, never saw it on any device that was released without it already
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But it has worked the other way around. In which you were able to install Android on a Windows phone
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But it has worked the other way around. In which you were able to install Android on a Windows phone
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that may be the case, but not valid for this argument as nobody has ported wp7 to a device which it wasnt natively designed for.. windows is closed source for the most part, android is open source apart from the odd drivers (majority of OEMs withholding some/most information and/or kernel source) may as well make use of win8 embedded seeing as it is now out
Win8 RT won't be available as a separate system. It will only run on the devices where it is preinstalled by manufacturer. The chance you can run it on another device is pretty close to zero.
But the strongest point - why would anyone want it? A system which is heavilly locked, has no apps, no options to customize, almost no support from developers and apparently no future.
I would appreciate if I could run Ubuntu on my Dell Streak 7. That would turn it into a next generation device with the ability to use all desktop Linux applications.
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Win8 RT won't be available as a separate system. It will only run on the devices where it is preinstalled by manufacturer. The chance you can run it on another device is pretty close to zero.
But the strongest point - why would anyone want it? A system which is heavilly locked, has no apps, no options to customize, almost no support from developers and apparently no future.
I would appreciate if I could run Ubuntu on my Dell Streak 7. That would turn it into a next generation device with the ability to use all desktop Linux applications.
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win8 embedded has ARM support for the teg' series, you may wanna do some R&D before jumping the gun
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win8 embedded has ARM support for the teg' series, you may wanna do some R&D before jumping the gun
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I know that, but what does it have in common with my post? The chipset is not the only HW on a PC/tablet.
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I know that, but what does it have in common with my post? The chipset is not the only HW on a PC/tablet.
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RT and embedded are completely different, RT wont be run on "custom class" devices while embedded will, that is why you wont see slot machines running anything apart from windows embedded..... which of course you can run unsigned drivers on (extra win factor) so that pesky luna driver wont be an issue if someone decompiles and converts to win
A idea I had to getting win8 running was to install backtrack5 and then run win8 on a VM through vituralbox inside BT5. Only things stopping me at the moment from testing it is getting the mount points swapped around for the system and SD card; because BT5 the VirtualBox and win8 would all need about 17-18GB of room total. As soon as I get them swapped and everything installed I'll give it a try and report back.
I havnt had a chance to check the device manager on a Surface RT, but likely the largest hurdles for win8 on any arm device:
Bootloader: The Surface RT (and likely all windows RT devices) uses UEFI, and all android tablets do not.
Windows RT is essentially Win8core/arm with things removed vs the x86 and x64 versions.
I would expect that it takes advantage of UEFI services during bootup, and we would essentially need a uefi bootloader ported to the S7.
Ram: Win8 doesnt like 512mb ram, arm or not. If we could hypothetically boot it, it would likely not run well.
Display: The S7 has a 800x480 display, which means that all "metro" apps will not run, and as winRT currently has no third party apps, it would be completely crippled.
Drivers: I didnt get a chance to poke around winRT's device manager, but some components may already have drivers.
I would expect that it's like win8/x86 and win8/x64 in that it just needs a working driver and it does not need to be tailored to the specific device.
(for example: if you have the win8/arm driver for a broadcom BCM4330 wifi card, it will work for all winRT devices that use it)
If we hypothecially were able to install winRT, we would likely have no touchscreen drivers and battery drivers.
Also the tegra2 likely wouldnt have platform drivers while the tegra3 does.
Even if you were able to write your own drivers, winRT might require drivers to be signed and there might be no way to disable signature verification on winRT.
I expect that windows update can deliver driver updates in the same way as win8/x86/x64.
WinRT is essentially a "desktop os" and not a "mobile os," you can even repartition a surface RT from within windows like you would expect on win8/x86/x64
On android you could use repartition a live device, but it's simply not designed for it.
Just because it's install media isnt available means very little to us, this is true for wp7 and somewhat true for android.
Granted: if we could run winRT, i'd definitely use it (even if it was crippled by the lack of "metro" apps). Not all of us want desktop linux and would rather stop using the device if we were forced to choose.
looks like win8 embedded is the next best thing if anyone is really that desperate for win8... even then its an issue of drivers
I think it would be better and easier to get ubuntu native on the streak if you want a desktop environment.
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Hey Guys!!!
I've read threads here and there about porting Windows 8 into the Touchpad, but I want to have as many answers as possible in one single thread.
Will it be possible in the future?
What obstacles will the devs find porting it?
I know this website is big in Android development but I want to see different options
licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
I guess these threads need to be merged. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
Per that thread they say the biggest issue is the drivers.
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
its 89 gogogogogoogggggg
no luck.........................any success???
If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
Again a bit more info here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
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If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
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here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
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here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
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well...strike that. i can't post external links yet in forums here because i'm too much of a XDA newb
but if you simply Google "ARM Windows 8 leak"...you can find articles about the leak and such...
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why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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I think what the point was, that MS has 2 options:
Sell the OS as a standalone or sell the OS to OEMs and the OEMs sell the product.
If the latter is the case, you cannot legally install it on something else, that would break the EULA.
Drivers would also probably be an issue, but it's hard to tell until we know what hardware is running Windows 8 whenever it comes out. It's possible that it'll be a non-issue.
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Simple,no one would buy it. Chances are,it will be shipped by OEMs with their hardware with custom hardware abstraction layers,if its on consumer devices at all. There is a school of thought that its going to be only for servers. The idea is that taking into account cooling,a rack full of arm servers will have vastly greater performance than a rack full of Intel chips because they can be packed denser. Still,it probably wont be generic,but tied to the particular hardware. It also solves a lot of piracy issues. You cant pirate the software because you cant buy the hardware without buying the software.
It also would give them a leg up on Linux servers. While there COULD be Linux versions ported to the hardware, the manufacturer would probably not give you ANY hardware support,any more than HTC will support Honeycomb on an EVO. They would market it as an appliance rather than a fully configurable server.
There currently are not hardware standards or BIOS/EFI standards for arm that I know of,so a generic version is not possible and I am not optimistic that it will be. Until those things are spelled out there wont be generic hardware like there is with Intel/AMD.
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For the same reason that Tablet/Phone makers don't sell devices without an OS. Embedded devices (As the name implies) are supposed to be tied to a single OS.
If you happen to have an MSDN account, you can generally find things such as embedded windows version there. Windows 8 will probably be there as well for ARM. However the biggest problem I think would be hardware working out with it.
ARM for Servers is definitly an option, but MS would be stupid not to offer it to consumers in Laptops and tablets as well.
Currently most tables use ARM and having an Intel x86 in there would not be good for the battery life, ARM is definitly a good option for tablets.
Also Windows 8 will not load Explorer by default, so it will be more power efficient on tablets since it only loads and shows that new Tile (codename was Wind if I'm not mistaken) interface.
It has been demo'ed already on ARM based tablets, if you look at the demo videos on youtube they explicitly mention ARM tablets, and a large part of their plan for Windows 8 is to get onto the ARM based consumer device market.
I agree with posters above though, the ARM version will probably only come through OEM channels. OEMs will probably need to create/tailor a bootloader for their hardware, and preconfigure the OS with the relevant drivers etc.
The best hope for a port will be if an OEM uses hardware close enough that porting their bootloader will be possible and the relevant drivers can be grabbed somewhere. I'm hoping the driver situation will be helped by MS bundling enough generic drivers to get it to run first and that updated/specific drivers can be installed later.
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licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
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I dont think Microsoft licensed WP7 for the HD2
Anyone at the Microsoft Build conference in Cali? They are giving devs a Windows8 Tablet.. or so I heard.
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I know nothing about development, but figure if the right devs got interested, it should be possible. I'm watching the build demo, and they had win8 running on a a 3yr old netbook, only using like 270mb of RAM. I know drivers will be an issue, but... anything is possible, right?
Maybe I'm being a little too optimistic.
Windows 8 developer preview
Microsoft has announced that it's releasing windows 8 to developers later this week. My question is how simple will it be to get it on the touchpad? Sorry if I've been vague. On my phone and just saw the post on Engadget.
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Any chance of or anyone know how to put win 7 onto my touchpad? I think it would make a great candidate for it.
Not possible natively as W7 doesn't offer an ARM port, unlike W8, which will. Now W7 via an emulator, that is another story.
As tbaker wrote you -
different architecture -
Mac OS & Windows uses x86/x86-64.
Android & iOS uses ARM.
Windows 8 will be also compiled against ARM.
TouchPad is Snapdragon ARM based.
Another thing to keep in mind is how much source is available.
Android is Open-Source from ground so usually once drivers are being written you can get it up & running to some extent.
Not the same with other platforms (Eg. W7 & iOS on Android devices)
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Not possible natively as W7 doesn't offer an ARM port, unlike W8, which will. Now W7 via an emulator, that is another story.
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I bet that would run like a dead dog.
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I bet that would run like a dead dog.
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I'd be far more interested in getting Windows 8 (beta/alpha?) on this thing
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I'd be far more interested in getting Windows 8 (beta/alpha?) on this thing
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
W7 would run like absolute garbage on it most likely.
Windows 7 isn't ARM compliant but Windows 7 Compact Embeded is.
oups no it's not.
Sorry, i reboot my brain :
- Windows Embedded Compact 7 can run on ARM, MIPS, x86
- Windows Embedded Standard 7 can run on x86 / x64 only.
- Windows Phone 7 can be an another option to run Windows on HP touchpad...
(WCE 7 legal demo : Low-risk business model
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I know dos-box already exists, you could probably do qemu under chrooted ubuntu... Windows 7 would probably work, you'd be on the VERY low side of usable ram (~700mb), and I can guarantee it would be so slow that it isn't worth using. A stripped version of XP... might be worth looking into.
Like that :
google "Microsoft shows off Windows Embedded Compact 7 (Windows CE 7) tablet with Metro-Like UI"
Interesting what will it take to get Windows 7 Compact installed on the TP?
More work than its worth.
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I think WP7 would run well on the pad.
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I wonder if Windows Phone 7.5 has the required drivers to run on the touchpad. Ram should be fine as most windows phones are running on 512mb ram
Yes sure, WP7 is based on Windows CE 7.
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I wonder if Windows Phone 7.5 has the required drivers to run on the touchpad. Ram should be fine as most windows phones are running on 512mb ram
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I'm sure it does.
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Windows 7 on the Touchpad - possible or not?
Hey Guys!
As far as I remember...the Touchpad first was designed to be used with Windows 7 (wasn´t it?). After a while they distinguished between the slate and the touchpad...so is it possible, to get Windows 7 working on the Touchpad?
Not in a million years.
Windows 7 won't ever be ported to the ARM architecture.
Windows 8 is possible, but highly unlikely since the ARM version won't be available through retail channels.
I recently got my hands on Hp Touchpad 32gb. And I have been running windows 8 preview on another pc. I know that the windows 8 Market will be here in a couple months. And since I would love to use my touchpad at work to edit my office files kind of like what im able to do on my Windows Phone. I guess my question is am I alone in wanting to port Windows 8 to the Touchpad? Im not sold on the adroid port.
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No you are not alone. I would love to have Windows 8 on my HP Touch pad.
I would love to see it, but it may be very hard to port with it only being sold on shipped devices. Realize that what desktops run and what is sold on discs is either a 32 bit or 64 bit Intel x86/64 based version. What the Touchpad needs is the ARM version.
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I would love to see it, but it may be very hard to port with it only being sold on shipped devices. Realize that what desktops run and what is sold on discs is either a 32 bit or 64 bit Intel x86/64 based version. What the Touchpad needs is the ARM version.
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Why anyone would want a resource hog like Windows on a tablet of any kind is beyond me. But it isn't going to happen anyway. MS has made it quite clear that the ARM version of Win8 will be strictly limited to devices that are manufactured to run ONLY Win8. Any port to devices like the Touchpad would be illegal and wouldn't pass activation.
BTW, this has been dicussed and debunked time and time again. If you had done a simple search of "Windows 8", you would know this.
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Why anyone would want a resource hog like Windows on a tablet of any kind is beyond me. But it isn't going to happen anyway. MS has made it quite clear that the ARM version of Win8 will be strictly limited to devices that are manufactured to run ONLY Win8. Any port to devices like the Touchpad would be illegal and wouldn't pass activation.
BTW, this has been dicussed and debunked time and time again. If you had done a simple search of "Windows 8", you would know this.
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legal... lol. hackers unite!
Windows 8 will not hog resources like android does
This would be great. After using Win8 preview I thought it would be great on a touch screen. I liked it so much I ordered a WP7.5. BTW just but any software can be cracked.
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Windows 8 will not hog resources like android does
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Oh, really? Why do you think that?
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legal... lol. hackers unite!
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This is a "developer's" forum, not a "blackhat" one. Read the forum rules.
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Windows 8 will not hog resources like android does
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Windows not a resource hog? Get real!
It has a much better multitasking system than android. Of course i'm talking about the mobile OS version of Windows 8 and not the x86,x64 versions. Why dont u go to the microsoft store and pick up a free windows phone 7 device and try it out for yourselves.
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Oh, really? Why do you think that?
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I can tell you I have been running Windows 8 both desktop and server versions since early closed beta and it is easily the leanest and most resource-efficient Windows yet. With only 1GB of RAM it flies and the server runs very well with 2GB.
Availability of ARM version will be strictly controlled though (as was already said) and activation will be pretty much unbreakable.
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Availability of ARM version will be strictly controlled though (as was already said) and activation will be pretty much unbreakable.
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that's what they said about WP7 and we still got it flashed on the hd2
I would gladly pay for a utility that will format my TouchPad and install Windows 8 on ARM. Even if that means losing ICS and webOS. I think Microsoft has an audience here of TP users that could be doing their RC testing for ARM. If they provided an easy legal way, even at a cost (provided it was for a real license, not a RC that expires), I think a lot of Tablet users would switch to W8. And the TP must be the biggest community of powerful enough hardware, with users willing to experiment on their device.
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I think Microsoft has an audience here of TP users that could be doing their RC testing for ARM.
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It is an interesting idea. I think the TP is powerful enough, it is open, and it ticks the minimum requirements, although I am not sure whether it has the right CPU, graphics and hardware components. The display is a bit on the odd side (4:3 is rare, and 1024x768 especially so), and I would be surprised if Microsoft actually does anything like this.
But I would be happy to give it a try. On the desktop I can't find a reason to go with Windows 8, but on a mobile device it would look quite good.
I doubt MS would do this, we'd need a port from one of the WP8 tabs coming out this summer.
I'm sure if MS came out and said, pay a small fee and we'll license you an ARM version of Windows 8 for the Touchpad, people would jump.
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I'm sure if MS came out and said, pay a small fee and we'll license you an ARM version of Windows 8 for the Touchpad, people would jump.
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They just would never do that. They only license it to actual manufacturers, the same idea went around with the WP7 for HD2 ports, but they'd never license it to individuals, we'll just have to port it.
I'm not sure if I understand why everyone thinks it will be a good idea to put Windows 8 on the Touchpad. Here are my thoughts:
1. Drivers will drive us crazy. There will have to be new drivers created for video, audio, bluetooth, etc. None of these exist currently, so it will basically be like starting all over again. Remember how long it took to get the Android drivers running? Some of them STILL aren't perfect.
2. Since the device is using an ARM chip, only ARM compiled apps will work. It's not like you are going to be able to load your standard x86 Windows apps on the Touchpad if Windows 8 is on it. The amount of ARM apps for Windows 8 is less than what the Blackberry Market has. (which isn't much. )
3. Chances are, we are going to have to completely format the Touchpad if we want to put Windows 8 on it. This removes any possible way of going back to webOS or Android if we want. I, for one, would not like that at all. As far as co-existing... I doubt that would work due to the nature of the file system as it is now.
It's fun to think that this will happen someday, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I'm not sure if I understand why everyone thinks it will be a good idea to put Windows 8 on the Touchpad. Here are my thoughts:
1. Drivers will drive us crazy. There will have to be new drivers created for video, audio, bluetooth, etc. None of these exist currently, so it will basically be like starting all over again. Remember how long it took to get the Android drivers running? Some of them STILL aren't perfect.
2. Since the device is using an ARM chip, only ARM compiled apps will work. It's not like you are going to be able to load your standard x86 Windows apps on the Touchpad if Windows 8 is on it. The amount of ARM apps for Windows 8 is less than what the Blackberry Market has. (which isn't much. )
3. Chances are, we are going to have to completely format the Touchpad if we want to put Windows 8 on it. This removes any possible way of going back to webOS or Android if we want. I, for one, would not like that at all. As far as co-existing... I doubt that would work due to the nature of the file system as it is now.
It's fun to think that this will happen someday, but I'm not holding my breath.
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1) hopefully most drivers will work out of the box, since you know they are going to make Win8 arm for a snapdragon SoC, maybe not this exact chip, but a dual-core snapdragon probably, they were also using TouchPads to pilot win8 arm, so if we can get a leaked build we'll be ok. If the drivers don't work and it's too much of a hassle then that's just how it is. We've still got ICS and JellyBean
2) that's fine, but there are going to be so many awesome win8 arm apps, just think of all the WP7 apps plus a lot more, it will be really awesome.
3) Not necessarily. Remember the same thing was thought of on WP7 on the HD2, but what the DFT team did was create a totally separate yaffs2 partition and write Android NAND and WP7 to that, so you could still operate the bootloader to load another OS from the sd card and dual-boot that way. Since this thing rocks 16gb nand, I don't see why some whiz dev couldn't just repartition and format a specific partition for win8 then the bootloader decides where to boot, hence 8 gigs for Win8, 8 gigs for Android, etc... or something of the sort. I think it's possible.
Like you, I'm not holding my breath, but I actually love how well CM9 currently runs on this tablet to keep it only for that, Win8 for arm port would just be a really amazing treat on top if it ever happens.
First of all my english is not good and there are alot of threads which contains the same question.
But I wondered if Windows 8 could be installed on the Nexus 7. We all know Windows 8 requirs UEFI the rest should work fine if the Nexus 7 would have UEFI. However I just thought about it and I just got the idea to emulate UEFI. Of course It's not easy because Windows 8 runs only on signed UEFI.
I found this project some days ago: hackintosh ...(Cann't post a link)
Of course I knew hackintosh before,but never notices that they use an EFI emulation. As far I know UEFI is different,but I'm sure It's also possible to write an UEFI emulation for the Nexus 7.
Why would you get a Nexus 7 to run Windows 8?
Why on earth would you want to run Windows 8...
You know Windows 8 doesn't run Windows apps right???
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Why on earth would you want to run Windows 8...
You know Windows 8 doesn't run Windows apps right???
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Windows 8 RT doesn't run x86 excuteables that's true,but all .net assemblys and java stuff(requirs arm java version) are still supported and most x86 stuff is open source so you can just recompile it. So this shouldn't be the problem. I just figured out that Virtual Box and VmWare support Windows 8.
Why?!
Why?! god why?
I don't understand... Just buy a 'Surface' or something.
Windows 8 is a inferior product for mobile devices.
muldy said:
Why?!
Why?! god why?
I don't understand... Just buy a 'Surface' or something.
Windows 8 is a inferior product for mobile devices.
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So your opinion is Android is better? Did you ever tested Windows 8 on a tablet? It's quite good and offers good performance. Sure Metro isn't that good,but It's better then Android. And a surface costs almost twice as much as a nexus 7.
Sure Metro isn't that good
Why do you have a Nexus 7 then? if windows... so great?
Guys....4 irrelevant replies....
Leave the emotions aside; nexus is packed with hardware and there's no $200 win8 tablet in the market...simple.
(assuming it can be done, that is)
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Guys....4 irrelevant replies....
Leave the emotions aside; nexus is packed with hardware and there's no $200 win8 tablet in the market...simple.
(assuming it can be done, that is)
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It's still a dumb question. If someone had done it they would have plastered it all over XDA and the internet by now.
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I just figured out that Virtual Box and VmWare support Windows 8.
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Ah, I see a formula:
1. Get a Nexus 7
(optional - upgrade to Android 4.2.x)
2. Exchange the native Android for a Windows 8
3. Install an OS emulator on Win8
4. Boot Linux/MacOS/whatever from within the emulator
5. ???
6. PROFIT
I don't think it's a DUMB question OP, but it may be naive .. but that's okay, that's why (s)he's asking.
Win 8 RT will likely never run on non-directly-supported hardware ... it'll likely be a controlled distribution similar to how iOS is controlled, but with a slightly wider hardware manufacturing base (at least in the near term).
To get it to run on non-MS supported hardware will require someone with a driver development kit for Win 8 RT and knowledge to that level, in order to provide the system with the necessary support for the hardware in the Nexus 7 ... just because the CPU is binary compatible doesn't mean the rest of the hardware is compatible.
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I don't think it's a DUMB question OP, but it may be naive .. but that's okay, that's why (s)he's asking.
Win 8 RT will likely never run on non-directly-supported hardware ... it'll likely be a controlled distribution similar to how iOS is controlled, but with a slightly wider hardware manufacturing base (at least in the near term).
To get it to run on non-MS supported hardware will require someone with a driver development kit for Win 8 RT and knowledge to that level, in order to provide the system with the necessary support for the hardware in the Nexus 7 ... just because the CPU is binary compatible doesn't mean the rest of the hardware is compatible.
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And this, my dear friends, is an exemplary reply.
Thinkabout this. If the HD2 devs were all thinking like some of you did on this thread, we'd never have:
Windows Mobile 6.5
Windows Phone 7
Android
Meego
Ubuntu
Even frickin' Windows 95
on our Leo devices. So never say never. :fingers-crossed:
Although it seems highly unlikely that the Nexus 7 could run all these OS-es...
Windows 8 RT has a secure boot process that requires security keys from Microsoft. Not that it won't probably be hacked, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Furthermore, Windows 8 is not Open Source, so actually getting it running would require a miracle.
C0derbear said:
I don't think it's a DUMB question OP, but it may be naive .. but that's okay, that's why (s)he's asking.
Win 8 RT will likely never run on non-directly-supported hardware ... it'll likely be a controlled distribution similar to how iOS is controlled, but with a slightly wider hardware manufacturing base (at least in the near term).
To get it to run on non-MS supported hardware will require someone with a driver development kit for Win 8 RT and knowledge to that level, in order to provide the system with the necessary support for the hardware in the Nexus 7 ... just because the CPU is binary compatible doesn't mean the rest of the hardware is compatible.
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backlund said:
Windows 8 RT has a secure boot process that requires security keys from Microsoft. Not that it won't probably be hacked, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Furthermore, Windows 8 is not Open Source, so actually getting it running would require a miracle.
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Mac is also hacked by Hackintosh and It's also secured. And If Windows 8 boots in a virtual machine as Virtual Box and VM Ware It should be possible to code something which emulates it. I'm very new to this bootloader and bios stuff. I just wrote some c++ applications and reversed some stuff with ida. I know It's not easy to realise this at all,but if it really runs in a virtual machine we could try to fake those virtual machines.
qxyre said:
So your opinion is Android is better? Did you ever tested Windows 8 on a tablet? It's quite good and offers good performance. Sure Metro isn't that good,but It's better then Android. And a surface costs almost twice as much as a nexus 7.
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Probably not the place to be saying windows 8 is better than android. Lol.
Whether or not it was a stupid question may be debatable, but what isn't is that it doesn't belong in here. The General forums are supposed to be for things that are relative to the device or their use that would interest ALL users. I'm sure the number of people wanting to run ANY flavor of Windows on their Nexus 7 is a small one and certainly not of interest to the average Nexus 7 owner. If it were news that someone had actually done this, then it might be General-worthy, but as a subject it should have been put in Q&A since it is, for all intent and purpose, a question looking for an answer.
Isn't the whole "can i run X on my device" one of the positive aspects of having an android?
It doesn't have to make any sense, it's just about the "we can if we want"!
However, running windows on the Nexus 7 certainly is a difficult task.
We need a mole inside Microsoft to smuggle out those juicy source files and drivers
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Whether or not it was a stupid question may be debatable, but what isn't is that it doesn't belong in here. The General forums are supposed to be for things that are relative to the device or their use that would interest ALL users. I'm sure the number of people wanting to run ANY flavor of Windows on their Nexus 7 is a small one and certainly not of interest to the average Nexus 7 owner. If it were news that someone had actually done this, then it might be General-worthy, but as a subject it should have been put in Q&A since it is, for all intent and purpose, a question looking for an answer.
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this applies to most of the posts in general, but obviously you're not calling them out. a lot of us are capable of being enthusiasts of more than one OS and not instabashing posts like this. It's lead to an interesting discussion as well.
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
Ah, I see a formula:
1. Get a Nexus 7
(optional - upgrade to Android 4.2.x)
2. Exchange the native Android for a Windows 8
3. Install an OS emulator on Win8
4. Boot Linux/MacOS/whatever from within the emulator
5. ???
6. PROFIT
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Forget about running any kind of OS Emulator on a Nexus 7, especially not x86. Best case scenario, it won't run. Worst case? Your N7 is smoked.
This thing appears to have the same specs as the Surface 2, other than the screen res. Anyone know of any plans for a Windows RT ROM for the TF701T?
Had anyone ever made a Windows RT rom for any device?
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Don't think anyone wants too. Windows RT is generally shunned by most people, and with the price of the pro tablets dropping, I don't really see the point in it.
Just my opinion, and I could be completely wrong
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think windows RT is open source.
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Windows RT is a proprietary product of Microsoft and is closed source in every way. Distributing Windows RT without Microsoft’s consent is a sure-fire way to get yourself in jail for infringing on Microsoft’s intellectual property rights. I suspect it will also be almost impossible to make Windows RT run on any Android devices without the help of Microsoft. Furthermore, Windows RT requires UEFI secure boot, which is not available on the tf701.
On a less relevant note, except for Microsoft Office, there is zero reason for me to use Windows RT. Windows 8.1 devices are already cheap enough. If one day Intel and AMD manage to produce low-power SoCs that are powerful enough to run Photoshop and Excel, there will be no need for Windows RT then.
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Windows RT is a proprietary product of Microsoft and is closed source in every way. Distributing Windows RT without Microsoft’s consent is a sure-fire way to get yourself in jail for infringing on Microsoft’s intellectual property rights. I suspect it will also be almost impossible to make Windows RT run on any Android devices without the help of Microsoft. Furthermore, Windows RT requires UEFI secure boot, which is not available on the tf701.
On a less relevant note, except for Microsoft Office, there is zero reason for me to use Windows RT. Windows 8.1 devices are already cheap enough. If one day Intel and AMD manage to produce low-power SoCs that are powerful enough to run Photoshop and Excel, there will be no need for Windows RT then.
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Agreed.
I had a Surface RT for one month. Not only did it suck - couldn't do much on it, the touch screen died, so I sent it back and upgraded to a surface pro which has been much better on the whole.
Ubuntu
And what about Ubuntu on tablets? Anyone tried it?
Ubuntu touch dual boot
Would be really interested in Ubuntu touch dual boot for the tf701t if anyone is up for it.
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Agreed.
I had a Surface RT for one month. Not only did it suck - couldn't do much on it, the touch screen died, so I sent it back and upgraded to a surface pro which has been much better on the whole.
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You still have and use the surface pro?
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You still have and use the surface pro?
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Nope sold it and bought a proper laptop
You won't find a windows ROM on the TF701 but did you hear what ASUS is going to release at the end of March? The Transformer Book Duet TD300. Its a dual boot Android/Windows tablet. Looks sick.
Transformer Book Duet TD300 specs.
Dual-OS - Windows 8.1 Standard / Android 4.2.2
13.3-inch Full HD IPS multi-touch display
Up to Intel® Core™ i7 processor
4GB DDR3L 1600 RAM
Up to 128GB SSD in Tablet
Up to 1TB HDD in Dock
38WHr battery, estimated battery life around 5 hours in Windows 8.1 and 6 hours in Android 4.2.2.
802.11ac Wi-Fi; Bluetooth 4.0 + EDR
Tablet ports: Micro SD card, Headphone jack, DC jack
Keyboard dock ports: 1 x USB 3.0, 2 x USB 2.0, 10/100Mbit/s LAN, HDMI 1.4, audio combo jack, DC jack
http://www.asus.com/us/News/hnzqzGZ8TfSnrQTo
a few sites listed this as going to cost 599. Not a bad price for those specs. I would return my tf701 right now for that if it came out already. But based on those "Up to..." parts in the specs I bet there will be different variations. i7 with 128 gb SSD and 1 TB HD will most likely be over 1,000.
Alternate OS
Hi.
I'm sorry, my English is very bad because I'm from Ukraine.
I will buy this tablet, but I want to have Ubuntu. Tablet+Android = Tablet, Tablet+Dock+Ubuntu = Laptop, I think. I like Linux.
Here is guide about porting Ubuntu, but I need source code.
Here is only kernel's code, as I understand it. Is Asus submit full source code, or no?
Thank you.
Linux4Tegra
Do you allready saw this?
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra-rel-17
Linux For Tegra
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Do you allready saw this?
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That's really interesting! Perhaps, would can made multiboot - Android and Ubuntu (or other distro). But, I think, also need drivers for Wi-Fi, USB, and other peripheral devices.
maybe you shoud look at this threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2387133
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2026919
Linux for Tegra
Thank you.
I think, your links will help me. In all, different between tf700 and tf701 isn't big. I discuss this problem in one Russian forum too. If I'll can make dual-boot at this tablet, I surely write here.
We have console quality gaming in a 10 inch tablet. How low can you go as far as optimization. No limit. Compile it yourself. Or jam some disease like windows rt in. Make a Apple Android out of it. No thanks.
You can use debian kit. Not sure how it is with UI.
Well if i had the tf701t we could be having some linux fun, but i went the asus t100 route. There really should be very little to have to do to get a multiboot. All dual boot scripts from the tf700 should work (just maybe need partitions modified) The kernel shouldn't need really any modification to boot, Its all really in the ramdisk.