Hey, guys, I had just checked the ifixit teardown of Nexus 7,
I found that the back cover / PCB / bracket had prepare the space for back camera module.
It is pretty clear on this picture from iFixit :
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But finally, there is no back camera module on Nexus 7.
So anyone know the reason ?
Is it because of the cost ?
Thanks.
In all honesty, I'm glad there's no back camera. It's a complete waste in my opinion. Cut it, save some costs, makes me happy
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i wonder would we be able to add our own camera or possibly add larger storage? lol
truthkillszz said:
i wonder would we be able to add our own camera or possibly add larger storage? lol
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Or how about a 3g module? I know I know, but one can dream can't they?
lanwellon said:
Hey, guys, I had just checked the ifixit teardown of Nexus 7,
I found that the back cover / PCB / bracket had prepare the space for back camera module.
It is pretty clear on this picture from iFixit :
But finally, there is no back camera module on Nexus 7.
So anyone know the reason ?
Is it because of the cost ?
Thanks.
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Because smartphones.
Well the obvious guess is that it would've been on the ME370T at a higher price point but didn't make it here. Add it to the list along with microSD slot and HDMI output of features that were probably nuked to bring the price down.
It's missing for the same reason why the Galaxy Nexus is missing a SD card reader, even though there was a slot carved out for it in the housing. It keeps the cost down, and it was deemed an unnecessary component by Google. The slot still remains because it costs a lot of money to redesign and re-manufacture the injection molds and the shape of the system board, so instead they prefer to just re-use the existing parts whenever possible.
If you don't like the lack of features, wait until Google makes a premium version later.
brokentoaster24 said:
In all honesty, I'm glad there's no back camera. It's a complete waste in my opinion. Cut it, save some costs, makes me happy
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yeah, seriously. a friend was asking me if he should purchase the nexus 7 and was curious about the camera. when i told him that it's not a camera that you'd normally use to take pictures with he was saddened and almost decided against purchasing one. once i told him that his new smartphone can take photos and auto upload them (thus allowing him to view them on the nexus 7) he seemed relieved. people are weird.
how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with tablets is beyond me.
Yeah augmented reality would be the only reason to want in, but to 3g so might as well use your phone.
My current tablet has a rear camera only used once and it was like this " wow this is bad"
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The only use of a rear-facing camera that I've found for a tablet is during video chats. I eventually bore of looking at myself, and just point it to the room / kids running around to give the conversation a sense of.... atmosphere.
Nuked due to cost I'd agree, though.
I honestly don't get why people would want to take serious photos with a tablet. If you have a smartphone, use that. Better yet, just buy a real camera.
I was in Egypt at some of the spectacular locations of the temples, and this woman kept holding up her ipad to take photos, lol! Obviously I had my bridge camera on me.
The only thing I use the camera on my tablet for is to scan a document, that feature will be missed but my phone does the same thing.
The camera in the average mobile phone blows away most tablet cameras. Since most people have mobile phones, it makes the need for rear-facing tablet camera 1) redundant and 2) pointless.
I would agree that it is not on there due to cost saving and also the fact the a) tablets are a horrible form factor for taking pictures, b) the pictures it would take would not be any better (if not worse) than what most phones already do and, c) google probably shares the opinion that people look ridiculous while taking pictures with tablets (espically when the ipad first came out)
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It's missing for the same reason why the Galaxy Nexus is missing a SD card reader, even though there was a slot carved out for it in the housing. It keeps the cost down, and it was deemed an unnecessary component by Google. The slot still remains because it costs a lot of money to redesign and re-manufacture the injection molds and the shape of the system board, so instead they prefer to just re-use the existing parts whenever possible.
If you don't like the lack of features, wait until Google makes a premium version later.
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incorrect. the galaxy nexus has no SD slot as google wanted to refine the end user experience. when people use slow SD cards, it slows the entire system down.
google never put the slot there in the first place. the nexus is a premium device and it has premium features. there is no way they would have 'removed it to save cost'
and although I am pretty sure there is no SD cutout in the frame... i would be curious to see a picture... perhaps find a picture from iFixit and post.
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how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with... is beyond me.
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that's what they said when people started taking pictures using the LCD screen on the back of a point&shoot camera instead of the viewfinder - in a time when everybody used the viewfinder.
that's also what they said when the first camera was integrated into a phone. Why would anyone want to put a camera into a phone? Now, it's one of the top features in a smartphone.
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About the comments on the merits of a rear-facing camera on a tablet. All I can say that if it's there, people will use it.
I had to sit through my daughters gymnastics competition. A whole 2 hours worth to see her 2 minute routine. Unfortunately, I don't have a tablet, but many others did - most of which were ipads. I can tell you that these people used their ipads, instead of their camcorders, phones, or digital cameras, simply because it was there and they were using it at the time (to play games or read books or whatever). It may look stupid, but I'm sure they really don't care. What mattered to them is that they were able to capture the moment and replay it on a 10" screen... not a 2.5" screen or a 4" screen. What's more interesting is that one parent shot the video on the ipad of his daughter, and later on the daughter reviewed the video and actually started to edit it on the device.
Convenience...
Well the picture preview shown on a Tablet would be more true to the results then the small LCD on the back of a camera or even a smart phone. Plus the added benefit to edit the picture on the spot with advance photo editing software not available on a camera itself. Though the cameras on the back of most consumer tablets are up to par right now, I think its quite possible professional cameras in the next few years will be more tablet like with handle like apparatuses on the side with a thumb button for take the picture and a changeable lens on the front. Regular consumers would of course have some thing the size of a smart phone of course for portability. But a professional would no doubt love a 10 inch or larger high def display on his/her camera with instant editing and the ability to she the results or email them to the publisher on the spot. This can save cost and overheard.
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yeah, seriously. a friend was asking me if he should purchase the nexus 7 and was curious about the camera. when i told him that it's not a camera that you'd normally use to take pictures with he was saddened and almost decided against purchasing one. once i told him that his new smartphone can take photos and auto upload them (thus allowing him to view them on the nexus 7) he seemed relieved. people are weird.
how people don't realize how ridiculously stupid people look taking pictures with tablets is beyond me.
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Precisely. Every time I see someone complain about how they can't take photos with a tablet, I automatically think "tool". Seriously. You look like the biggest douche in the world holding a book-sized screen up to take a ****ty picture for Instagram.
When professional photographers start espousing the awesomeness of tablet photography - then maybe I'll take notice. But with the compact and high-quality nature of both smartphones and newer DSLRs...I'm not really expecting that to ever happen.
I think my old 110 style film camera when I was a kid took better photos than any Tablet/phone camera.
I'm happy Google didn't put it in and just gave us a front camera.
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I'm looking for a android device to start learning and experimenting on...would like to learn Java in the long run.
I feel a nexus device is probably the best place to start but God dang! that Bezel! Can't stop staring at it...like a huge mole on someones nose or something lol
It should of been 7.7" !!!
Its really putting me off pre ordering, now i'll have to wait and see it in person.
I'm beggining to get my hopes up that Asus will soon release a 'better' version like samsung does after producing the nexus phones.
Too bad you don't like it - but you hold the tablet by the bezel.
In landscape, you hold it with both hands...
Personally, I prefer holding the bezel to accidentally clicking on the touch surface.
I don't see a problem with the bezel. On a phone it would be overkill but you hold tablets in a different way unless you have huge monster hands.
I've also decided to try my hand at a bit of coding and I can't wait until I get to the stage when I can apply it on my Nexus 7 (when I get it).
I'm not talking about the side bezel (portrait mode) its the thick top and bottom that gets me. I feel that even when i'm using it, it will get under my skin. I hope it grows on me in 2 weeks (should be released by then).
The thickness of it seems more than adequate for gripping it properly...even though now that I was holding up a magazine I'm starting to see your point.
It still should of been 7.7 though
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I've also decided to try my hand at a bit of coding and I can't wait until I get to the stage when I can apply it on my Nexus 7 (when I get it).
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Do you currently code?
What you looking to get into?
Yeh I agree aswell. 7.7 would've been a great form factor. Like Samsung's model.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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Wow whose getting their panties in a twist? Why are you getting all defensive their dude?
I just shared my opinion to see if I was the only one and obviously there was a reason to a thick bezel. Thanks to a couple of friendly fellow members above they proved to me that the top and bottom bezel is handy...so i'll probably use it and forget about the bezel.
Same goes for design, maybe it has its place that I just didn't consider
Martias Duarte, the current Director of User Experience at Android, said the large bezels were a conscious choice, for both aesthetic and usability reasons. He said it will probably go under appreciated, and may even remain unnoticed, but he holds the design of the Nexus 7 very close to his heart.
The asymmetrical bezels were implemented so that you can hold the device nicely in landscape, play games efficiently, and also because artwork is often matted asymmetrically.
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Do you currently code?
What you looking to get into?
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No but it's always something I've liked the idea of. I like to think that my mind works in a logical way (although I guess that remains to be seen).
I don't really know where I want it to lead. At the moment its just a challenge I have set myself. I am starting right at the foundations on CodeAcademy (which uses Javascript). Just finishing the tutorial section on functions.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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Yea really, its not worth getting frustrated or bummed out about.. That's what it is, so either buy it or don't buy it.
Make sure Google checks the forums before they make their next product to make sure every spec that everyone wants will be in the device.
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I'm looking for a android device to start learning and experimenting on...would like to learn Java in the long run.
It should of been 7.7" !!!
That's what she said!
Sorry, couldn't help it.
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I have a nook color, and I can speak for the need of a large bezel on a 7" device. I ended up getting a case that folds like a book just so that I'd have something else to hold on to.
I disagree with Matias Duarte completely on the need for larger bezels. I don't mind a thicker device, but I absolutely want the front face to be all screen and no bezel (i.e. a few mm on the side and 5 mm top and bottom). Any concerns for aesthetics (really?) or the need to hold on to something are overridden by the desire to get the thing in a jacket pocket. Nevertheless I ordered a Nexus 7 not because I appreciate the physical design - I don't, I think it's ugly. But who cares, I wanted the Nexus experience and after being disappointed by all the Nexus phones, at least now I can get a device with low financial commitment (low initial cost and no monthly plan) that is the pure Google experience.
I hope in the future that Google comes out with a Nexus 6 using something like Toshiba's very high resolution 6" panel with almost no bezel. Until then, I'll play with the Nexus 7 and dream about the future.
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First world problems! jk
I'm fine with the 7" design. It don't matter to me because I just want a more portable tablet for use while on the bus to work. My TouchPad is too bulky for everyday use (for me at least).
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It still should of been 7.7 though
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it hurts my eyes ...
http://www.engvid.com/grammar-past-tense-should/
well there are rumors of a larger nexus tablet. imo the nexus 7 is the perfect size. its about the size of a dvd case which is easy to handle with one hand, large enough to read pages and small enough to where you dont have to carry it in purse or backpack.
I think the bezel on the bottom really sticks out because of those on screen soft keys. I realize that has been pretty standard since ICS though. I don't know how much sense Matias Duarte makes on the whole design of the bezel on the Nexus 7 as being similar to a matted frame. I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel. I've had artwork professionally framed a couple of times, one is hanging in my room, and everything is centered. I could be wrong though. I don't know much about framing aesthetics.
That being said, I'd rather have a higher resolution 7" screen with greater pixel density than a lower res, less ppi 7.7" screen.
I don't think the design of the Nexus 7 is perfect by any means, but this is an affordable tablet. Compared to the Nook Tablet and the Fire, this thing looks pretty decent. Sure it's no Galaxy Tab or iPad, but it's not really at those price points.
>I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel.
Both Nook Tablet and Kindle Fire have the same asymmetric "bottom heavy" bezel design. Much more pronounced on the Nook.
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It should of been 7.7" !!!
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Yes, but that doesn't exactly fit with their cost-cutting approach.
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I'm beggining to get my hopes up that Asus will soon release a 'better' version like samsung does after producing the nexus phones.
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Unlikely that Asus would bring out a tablet competing with itself anytime soon. Acer's Iconia A110 should be due in Q3 though. (but it's not 7.7 either as far as I know).
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Martias Duarte, the current Director of User Experience at Android, said the large bezels were a conscious choice, for both aesthetic and usability reasons.
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I was thinking about this today, so I went and had another look and feel at the 7.7 As mentioned somewhere in this thread, it makes it more 'pocketable' and is still OK to hold and grip, turn into landscape mode etc.
It however is not going to be the deciding factor of my purchase. The price of the 7.7 here is over £450 ... that is mad money, the new iPad cost less and the Nexus will cost less than half that!
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I am starting right at the foundations on CodeAcademy (which uses Javascript). Just finishing the tutorial section on functions.
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Cool, good luck with that. Can you post a link to the tutorials please.
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it hurts my eyes ...
http://www.engvid.com/grammar-past-tense-should/
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hahahah thanked ! :laugh:
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>I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel.
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I wish there was a picture comparison to a 7.7 samsung
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Yes, but that doesn't exactly fit with their cost-cutting approach.
Unlikely that Asus would bring out a tablet competing with itself anytime soon. Acer's Iconia A110 should be due in Q3 though. (but it's not 7.7 either as far as I know).
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Thanks for the informative post! The 7.7 would of raise the price significantly I imagine, you're right
Update on my case:
I got my replacement unit yesterday and the screen is great. However now I have a slightly bent border and the infamous clicking sound issue on the left side...
I contacted GameStop again and requested a replacement when their 2nd wave comes, which is early next week so I'll see if I can be lucky this time. GameStop cs has been great so far.
Also Asus saw this post and contacted me for details. It seems they are aware and are doing researches on these defects.
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Anyone having their nexus 7 with screen burn in and washed out colors with super obvious backlight bleeding?
I got mine yesterday and everything was great but this issue all of a sudden appeared when i turned it on after i woke up today.
Gamestop will try to do a special replacement order for me.
Edit: added some shots to show how uneven the backlight is and also the burn in issues. There was no flash used to take the shots.
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Yes!! I was just googling like crazy to find people that have the same issues. Its like one of those old screens where the backllight is illuminating the side of the screen. It is very strange and unpleasant.
Add some photos in op
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Add some photos in op
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not only is it burnt in and pale, but its also upside down
lol my bad.
But it demonstrates the issues regardless.
the photos don't really show how washed out it looks. It's like having a semi transparent layer on top of the screen.
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It will be interesting to see if those who ordered from the Play Store have the same issues. Maybe they were in different batches
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lol my bad.
But it demonstrates the issues regardless.
the photos don't really show how washed out it looks. It's like having a semi transparent layer on top of the screen.
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Yes its really hard to capture with a camera but its definitely there. I found kicking up the brightness helps. The issue i was referring to might be intended so its easier to read in the dark.
Go look at threads from the G2x forum about screen bleed. Ridiculous amount of bickering over the same thing. If you don't like the product you got, exchange or return it. Not trying to stick it to the OP or anything, thanks for photos, just trying to kill this at the source before the N7 gets tainted with bad publicity because people didn't want to exchange. G2x's resale value plummeted because of issues like this being blown out of proportion, so it's in your best interest to bring the issue to light, let everyone know of any possible issues, then leave it up here for consideration if others have the same issue. Not make a 300 page thread about it comparing the extent of which you have the issues. It ended up as people taking countless photos and comparing them like a contest or something. I'm very sorry for anyone with this issue and i do hope you get it sorted out. For all I know mine will have the same issues.
Not trying to sweep anything under the rug, just trying to prevent the mass hysteria caused by this on the G2x.
From the arstechnica review:
A few days after the Nexus 7 hit developers' hands, a number of outlets reported that the tablet has problems with ghosting. Bringing up an image and letting it set on the screen for a couple of minutes would leave an impression of the image on the screen for up to a few minutes after the user has navigated away. We were able to recreate the problem, and found high-contrast images were particularly susceptible to imprinting ghosts on the screen.
However, the more we tried to recreate it, the faster the effect seemed to fade after we navigated away from the ghosted image. Eventually it was fading in a matter of seconds. The problem seems to be related to whether the screen is warmed up or not—if the tablet hasn't been recently used, an idle image will remain ghosted on the display for at least a couple of minutes, even as users continually change what the screen is showing. But once it's been on for a while—even if the image is left up for up to ten minutes—the ghost fades in a couple of seconds. There definitely is a problem, but it doesn't strike us as serious. That's as long as it doesn't, for instance, get worse as the tablet gets older.
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What's your brightness set on. Too high will make it worse sometimes. Will also kill battery and overall screen life ( just like TVs) I say this because you also mentioned "washed out" look. This tends to happen when brightness is too high. (People do this on TVs too). High brightness is to help outdoor viewing, will actually make picture worse but people think it "pops" more. IF, this is the case try turning it down some You'll get use to it after a while. Mine at like 20% and I rarely have problems seeing screen. I do home theaters so take the advice knowing I'm not just spouting BS.
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The one I picked up from Gamestop today hasn't exhibited this at all and thankfully no dead pixels either, I'd be pretty pissed honestly if it looked like that
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What's your brightness set on. Too high will make it worse sometimes. Will also kill battery and overall screen life ( just like TVs) I say this because you also mentioned "washed out" look. This tends to happen when brightness is too high. (People do this on TVs too). High brightness is to help outdoor viewing, will actually make picture worse but people think it "pops" more. IF, this is the case try turning it down some You'll get use to it after a while. Mine at like 20% and I rarely have problems seeing screen. I do home theaters so take the advice knowing I'm not just spouting BS.
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I already played around with brightness, it's all like that from the lowest to the highest brightness settings. It's super washed out with lights all bleeding from the sides and also areas in the middle. It's like the LCD panel can't block the lights out anymore.
Note that it was perfectly normal the day i got it. It only started happening today. So I know how it should look like...
Take it back. I have no light bleed at all. I think you got a lemon I would not accept light bleed in 4 corners, the center, burn in and washed out colors. I have none of your issues so take my advice and exchange it or if they have no more inventory return it and pick one up from another store
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Theres always a lemon for a device. Sorry that you got a poop one. Your replacement should be flawless?
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Go look at threads from the G2x forum about screen bleed. Ridiculous amount of bickering over the same thing. If you don't like the product you got, exchange or return it. Not trying to stick it to the OP or anything, thanks for photos, just trying to kill this at the source before the N7 gets tainted with bad publicity because people didn't want to exchange. G2x's resale value plummeted because of issues like this being blown out of proportion, so it's in your best interest to bring the issue to light, let everyone know of any possible issues, then leave it up here for consideration if others have the same issue. Not make a 300 page thread about it comparing the extent of which you have the issues. It ended up as people taking countless photos and comparing them like a contest or something. I'm very sorry for anyone with this issue and i do hope you get it sorted out. For all I know mine will have the same issues.
Not trying to sweep anything under the rug, just trying to prevent the mass hysteria caused by this on the G2x.
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Wow, you must work for Google or something.
So what if a user gets angry at a corporation that doesn't give a [email protected]#% amount of care of a little something called quality control. It's the 21st century and there are means by which end-users should be alerted of what they may eventually buy. The Galaxy Nexus screen issues were never mentioned anywhere but here, on xda. Even Samsung denied the issue and dubbed them as being "non-existent", so they thought they'd just swap out used phones, and now you have pissed off users who made 3-4-5 swaps already and their issues are still there.
Remember the iphone 4 reception issues and apple's reaction to them? And don't even let me even mention the ridiculous amount of epic memes that derived from it.
My point is that to prevent these things from happening, end users should get mad and spread the issues as wide as one can, so that eventually it reaches the upper levels of the company, so they can start doing something about it.
A positive example is Sony with their flagship Xperia S and it's screen issues. They admitted their fault and triggered an utter logistical nightmare to exchange or replace any faulty screen, although even they tried to "limit" it to one faulty batch.
So yes, blow these tiles of things out of proportion, because this is not a minor issue!
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Go look at threads from the G2x forum about screen bleed. Ridiculous amount of bickering over the same thing. If you don't like the product you got, exchange or return it. Not trying to stick it to the OP or anything, thanks for photos, just trying to kill this at the source before the N7 gets tainted with bad publicity because people didn't want to exchange. G2x's resale value plummeted because of issues like this being blown out of proportion, so it's in your best interest to bring the issue to light, let everyone know of any possible issues, then leave it up here for consideration if others have the same issue. Not make a 300 page thread about it comparing the extent of which you have the issues. It ended up as people taking countless photos and comparing them like a contest or something. I'm very sorry for anyone with this issue and i do hope you get it sorted out. For all I know mine will have the same issues.
Not trying to sweep anything under the rug, just trying to prevent the mass hysteria caused by this on the G2x.
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lol.
if there is a common problem, everyone should know about this. samsung is still manufacturing ****ty hardware albeit this 300 page threads. look at the sgs3 section and see faulty screen posts. they are treating end users like beta testers.
I was using mine all day yesterday and didn't notice that the screen was a little washed out till today, seems to have went away tho (or less noticeable now). I also have minor screen bleeds but from what I've read this is common with IPS displays.
Yeah, right, I work for Google... Good detective work there.
Obviously you didn't read or understand my post.
What I'm saying is just because there are some defective units out there, doesn't mean you need to start writing hate mail to Google, Asus, and Obama. Every product has defective units, even with QA checks. I'm just hoping the N7 users will get warranty replacements instead of just whining and complaining for 6 months when they could have just called a freaking phone number and taken care of it.
And if the company is willing to replace the product, why would you blow it out of proportion? Companies can easily find excuses not to replace your product. THAT is when you need to blow issues out of proportion.
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lol.
if there is a common problem, everyone should know about this. samsung is still manufacturing ****ty hardware albeit this 300 page threads. look at the sgs3 section and see faulty screen posts. they are treating end users like beta testers.
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Every device has defective screens it seems like. Honestly, it might just be cheaper for them to piss off the 2% of users who actually read stuff here than change the manufacturing process. It sucks. It really does. It forces us who are actually bothered by it to exchange til we get a good one. Which can take a few tries sometimes. It's a bummer but that's what our profit-driven society has come to.
Mostly first batches have problems, not all off them are working properly. I don't see why everyone complaining, just get it exchanged, it is £200 or $200 tablet, they aren't gonna put a super expensive display on. The IPS is already good enough for its price, heck the Kindle Fire display is terrible compared to this and I hardly see they complain.
IPS Screen burn are only temporarily compared to Amoled, use 'Dead Pixel Test' in the market to get rid of it. The app flashes different colour screens and it'll eventually go away faster. Trust me, I've had this problem before but never complained. *cough*
Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:
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Problems:
[*]should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
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i lolz. sending it back because you can't google. priceless.
sorry about your troubles, i guess you got the antitheses of my N7, because it's mint.
mesmerize_21 said:
Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:
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Then contact Google for a refund. I don't have any problems with my Nexus.
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mesmerize_21 said:
Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:
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You got a bad unit. Happens to iPads too. For what it's worth a good unit works fantastic.
As for the bottom half of your list.... you are really complaining about no memory slot and rear camera? And that there isn't really 8GB of space? EVERY device does that. There is a music store, it's called Google Music, but feel free to use Amazon MP3 as well. You seem to have let yourself down.....
Mine is perfect and everything I thought it would be, sorry for your problems.
It sounds to me like you wanted an iPad and tried to buy the nexus to save some money.
Go ahead and get an iPad, Android is more for people who like to tinker and modify and have choices. Apple works out really well for people who want a system laid out for them that's real simple and dummy and non techie friendly. I buy them for my parents for that reason. I also have an iPad and an iPhone 4S so when I tell you that you and Android arent a match I'm not meaning any harm.
Make sure you get the 3G model iPad because they are much more picky about WiFi tether than Android.
However keep in mind that many of the negatives you don't like about Android are identical with the iPad.
And android has the play store which is a music store so I'm confused on that one and some of the other complaints, I think a lot of it was just not taking the time to learn your way around.
I'm very happy with my nexus its exceeded my expectations by far. Its in perfect condition physically and Im running an amazing custom ROM and kernel.
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Wow. Just wow. ...First post. No way this is real. :laugh:
Sounds like a troll to me, listing things it doesn't have that are clearly stated in all reviews and spec sheets - yet you label it all as negatives & utter surprise.
Also, where is the proof of your problems?
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U mad brah?
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U mad brah?
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That never gets old. :laugh:
I don't even own Nexus 7 yet, and I am still debating whether or not to get one, but this is obviously trolling. Same power as the Kindle Fire that doesn't even have Bluetooth? On what planet? Lol
Love those who join a forum just to post how they dislike something, and then never to be seen again.
Mine goes everywhere with me. I don't take pictures with a 1.2MP camera (what is this, 1998?)
Almost the entire list of "missing features" were never even speculated to be in this tablet. You fail at being a smart consumer. I chuckled. Was a joke, right?
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Trigger the trolls and go spend 500+ on a "new" iPad. My unit is a bad ass peace of tech, I'm not going to answer every problem you stated because you don't seek out solutions to these "problems".
Once I get my new phone (current one wont recognize USB connection) I'm tethering like a mofo.
Sounds like a one post iTroll.
Just buy an iPad and go away from this forum.
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I mean, you could always just google Nexus 7.
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Hello people of xda.....
I'm thinking of making a custom back for the nexus 7 that would remove lots of heat
what it would do is snap on where the old back went and would have
the back, printed on a 3d printer accurate to 2/100"
A 1 1/4" fan from radioshack
a rechargeable 9v battery
a switch for the fan
possible power and volume buttons
this case would be used for those of us who extreme overclock ex running at 1.6ghz with the gpu at 520 who want to rid of some heat.
WHAT THIS CASE WOULD NOT HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wifi antenna
gps antenna
bluetooth antenna
Let me know if you would like to get in on this
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Hello people of xda.....
I'm thinking of making a custom back for the nexus 7 that would remove lots of heat
what it would do is snap on where the old back went and would have
the back, printed on a 3d printer accurate to 2/100"
A 1 1/4" fan from radioshack
a rechargeable 9v battery
a switch for the fan
possible power and volume buttons
this case would be used for those of us who extreme overclock ex running at 1.6ghz with the gpu at 520 who want to rid of some heat.
WHAT THIS CASE WOULD NOT HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wifi antenna
gps antenna
bluetooth antenna
Let me know if you would like to get in on this
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Why not to that extreme, what about a slimmer back with USB OTG built in and a slot for the USB, where u insert a small one and can cover it.
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tandeh said:
Why not to that extreme, what about a slimmer back with USB OTG built in and a slot for the USB, where u insert a small one and can cover it.
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Wow, thats a good idea, but it would have to go over the top a little in order to plug the connector in.
A USB OTG built in case, with a cooling system?! Count me in!
Count me in as well!
Sent from my Nexus 7
what would you pay for something like this? it would be like 15$ for materials (Battery and fan and switch) plus an unknown amount for the otg cable that works.
Really hate to do this to you guys but I'm afraid it's already been done!
yes indeed for the low low price of $999999.99.99 you to can be the proud owner of the first true convergent nexus seven
features include
500gb extra storage space*
heatsink and fan*
multi card reader*
usb hub*
otg*
calling and texting*
shoot photos and video*
all the features that you know and love from the nexus 7*
all hooked up and ready to go*
* cables not included, *card reader not included, *usb hub not included, *nexus 7 not included, *hhd not included, *camera not included *nokia not included *otg cable not included *heatsink and fan not included *assembly not included nor the superglue required
Buy now to avoid disappointment!*
*disappointment included
ajpettit said:
Really hate to do this to you guys but I'm afraid it's already been done!
yes indeed for the low low price of $999999.99.99 you to can be the proud owner of the first true convergent nexus seven
features include
500gb extra storage space*
heatsink and fan*
multi card reader*
usb hub*
otg*
calling and texting*
shoot photos and video*
all the features that you know and love from the nexus 7*
all hooked up and ready to go*
* cables not included, *card reader not included, *usb hub not included, *nexus 7 not included, *hhd not included, *camera not included *nokia not included *otg cable not included *heatsink and fan not included *assembly not included nor the superglue required
Buy now to avoid disappointment!*
*disappointment included
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you almost made me **** my pants laughing.
but seriously, who would pay for one?
ajpettit said:
Really hate to do this to you guys but I'm afraid it's already been done!
yes indeed for the low low price of $999999.99.99 you to can be the proud owner of the first true convergent nexus seven
features include
500gb extra storage space*
heatsink and fan*
multi card reader*
usb hub*
otg*
calling and texting*
shoot photos and video*
all the features that you know and love from the nexus 7*
all hooked up and ready to go*
* cables not included, *card reader not included, *usb hub not included, *nexus 7 not included, *hhd not included, *camera not included *nokia not included *otg cable not included *heatsink and fan not included *assembly not included nor the superglue required
Buy now to avoid disappointment!*
*disappointment included
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I'm sorry, but I have the 8gb, coming from the Acer A500, and this is exactly how I feel right now, :/ I filled my storage up with nothing but apps, and still wanna get some more apps, and not a rear camera, ugh.
Brandonxcore said:
I'm sorry, but I have the 8gb, coming from the Acer A500, and this is exactly how I feel right now, :/ I filled my storage up with nothing but apps, and still wanna get some more apps, and not a rear camera, ugh.
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uh, you are aware hes not advertising what im talking about right?
im making a cover/caseish thing hes just bein funny XD
jombo2323 said:
uh, you are aware hes not advertising what im talking about right?
im making a cover/caseish thing hes just bein funny XD
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Sorry to go off topic, haha, anyways, my tablet doesn't get hot, I think the best thing for you to do is just add more copper to the existing heat sink, airflow will only drag dust into the tablet.
Just went and grabbed my hefty set of dial calipers! time to start modeling!
And also, i might put a small and thin filter (very small pores) inbetween the case and the fan but i think as long as you dont kick it under the fridge while the fan is on i think it would be all right
in order to hold onto the tablet without copying googles latches..... im afraid to say that
the back will have to come above the edge of the tablet and snap over the top just a little hopefully though. should solve the not level with the bezel screen issue that is stock. win win
EDIT* Facepalm, my calipers dont go above 6in how did i not see that coming....
how to measure corner Radius anyone?
Bumpity
Can someone find me a small, compatible usb otg cable that i can put in here and mount?
jombo2323 said:
Just went and grabbed my hefty set of dial calipers! time to start modeling!
And also, i might put a small and thin filter (very small pores) inbetween the case and the fan but i think as long as you dont kick it under the fridge while the fan is on i think it would be all right
in order to hold onto the tablet without copying googles latches..... im afraid to say that
the back will have to come above the edge of the tablet and snap over the top just a little hopefully though. should solve the not level with the bezel screen issue that is stock. win win
EDIT* Facepalm, my calipers dont go above 6in how did i not see that coming....
how to measure corner Radius anyone?
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You can try to get official/accurate specs from Asus or from a case manufacturer.
veeman said:
You can try to get official/accurate specs from Asus or from a case manufacturer.
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in my dreams.
anyways i just made a shell of what the case should look like for it to fit inside
now time to add vents and the fan mount area!
Just an update for some people....
a standard rechargeable 9v battery would run the fan for about an hour and a half
if i put 2 in there, it would make it balanced and give about 3 to 3.5 hours of fan life (about what you get with a fully overclocked kernel)
so what will it be, 1 or 2?
if you used non rechargeable 9v's you would get about 5.5 hours of fan life, 2 would get you 11 which would be good
So more development has happened
got the case "complete" afak until i can print a prototype which is a week or so
i know its a bit thick, but what do you want from 2 9v's and a fan?
i hope some of you will get excited about how development is actually happening\
Tell me whatcha think!
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that is amazing... lol
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jombo2323 said:
So more development has happened
got the case "complete" afak until i can print a prototype which is a week or so
link to a picture http://puu.sh/V7KP
i know its a bit thick, but what do you want from 2 9v's and a fan?
i hope some of you will get excited about how development is actually happening\
Tell me whatcha think!
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This does look quite nice I do kinda like the ability to use NFC though and have an overall lightweight device, but perhaps something like this would be nice on a stand instead? Then I can put my N7 on the stand, do some benchmarking, games, whatever else I want, and then when I want to travel, I simply take the back off and go back stock.
jombo2323 said:
i hope some of you will get excited about how development is actually happening\
Tell me whatcha think!
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Honestly? I think you're wasting your time and everyone else's. No-one is going to buy something like that to cool a gadget that doesn't even get hot in a case, which brings up another point, where would you find a case to fit your souped up N7 afterwards?
There has to be a more worthy project for you to spend your time and money on.
Troute said:
Honestly? I think you're wasting your time and everyone else's. No-one is going to buy something like that to cool a gadget that doesn't even get hot in a case, which brings up another point, where would you find a case to fit your souped up N7 afterwards?
There has to be a more worthy project for you to spend your time and money on.
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A lot of people here flash custom kernels to overclock their CPU to 1.64 GHz. In this instance, the device can get noticeably hotter after heavy usage...so this case will serve a purpose for some. Also, I believe the OP plans on integrating an inbuilt OTG mount, who wouldn't want that?!
Why don't you put a radiator, pump, and reservoir for kicks? A water-cooled tablet would be crazy badass!
Pardon the sarcasm. I believe people will be more interested in a built-in usb hub. Slap in a micro sd card reader in one port and 3 fullsize female usb in the other (for keyboard, mouse, portable drive, sixaxis controller, etc.). No more lack of sd card slot problem. Of course it will need a little tweak by swapping the mount points of the internal and the external sdcards, but it is doable.
If you want, instead of a micro sd, you can go for a multi card reader so the users will have options. Pictures or videos in the storage card can be viewed, edited, saved, or emailed from their dslr's straight to the tablet for example. The possibilities are endless.
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My Brother, is an iPhone guy, mainly for it's smaller size, says he wants to go Android, he really likes the Nexus or Galaxy S3 phones, but says they are way too large, and is a big turn off to a lot of people. And also says the home button on bottom front of the iPhone, is a very important feature to have, you can turn the phone on with one finger while sitting on the desk, to check things. He said most Android phones you need to press the side button to turn on, and while phone is sitting on the desk, that is really a two hand operation.
The big thing he said, which I LOL'd big time, he said will make a $50 money bet right now on this statement; "By the end of 2014, all top end Android phones like the Nexus 6 and Galaxy S5, will realize they have gotten way too large, and will go back down to the proper size and width of the iPhone 4." He didn't say or expect screen size, but said the WIDTH, he said by end of 2014 top Android phones will go down to iPhone 4 WIDTH. He knows the screen size will always be larger on Android compared to the iPhone, but says they are mainly way too wide, and will shrink the width by end next year.
My opinion is that NO WAY will this happen, Android phones in 2013 will be larger than their previous 2012 version. Of course they will reach a point to stop growing in size, can't keep getting bigger year after year, but NO WAY do I see them going backwards to iPhone 4 WIDTH by end of 2014.
Opinions ?
I would take that bet without even thinking. All signs point to the phones staying this large size. Personally my g/f and I will never be able to go back to anything the size iPhone 4 after using the S3 and Note 2. My g/f is 5 feet so she's pretty small, and not once has she complained about her S3 being too big to operate with one hand. She's currently eyeing my Note 2 and waiting to see what the S4 is going to hold.
I would even be willing to bet that by 2014 the iPhone 6 or 6s will have a larger screen probably 4"+ at the very least.
I personally like my Nexus size @ 4.7", it's not too large like the Note 2, and not small like like the iPhone 5.
I had the Galaxy Nexus too, and now the Nexus 4, I find this size very comfortable, just right.
He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/
Archer said:
He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/
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Apple sucks
I love android
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Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"
My brother says swimming in a lake is like swimming in a pond or pool..
Typical iPhone user set in their ways androids will always vairey that's the biggest benefit of android not being tied to one spec or size.I owned an iPhone but when I complained regarding signal I received email telling me I was holding my phone incorrectly lost faith in it,which to this day you still see people holding them that way which I think a lot of younger people don't even realise how that came about and personally I find funny as was Apple's answer to gaining a decent connection.
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Zorachus said:
Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"
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He's got a good point. That's been an annoyance on Android that's never been resolved. On the Nexus One at least there was a trackball which you could use to move the curser to the end of the line of text, but no Android phones have that ability currently.
It's definitely a problem that's long overdue for a fix.
Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.
But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?
Archer said:
But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?
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Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.
I suppose he believes there's only 2 Android Phones? Because the S3 Mini is a lot smaller.
One of the main reasons most people (those 82% of the market, in fact.) don't want an iPhone is the tiny screen... Well, that and the lack of customisation.
Also, this home button thing. There's apps for putting a phone to sleep, and you can wake an SGS up with the.. ohhh, big button on the front!
DirkGently said:
Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.
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You do. I believe there's some sort of loop-feature thing that somehow pops up, but I couldn't find it. Spend half an hour figuring out how change 1 letter in the beginning of a 2 page document on an iPhone 5. It's impossible.
DirkGently said:
Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.
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As I was typing that I thought it may have only come into play with ICS. I forget how much of a jump there was from GB to now, having had "nearly" Jelly Bean for a while and then proper Jelly Bean on both my phone and tablet. It's bizarre to think there are phones still being sold with pre-Gingerbread versions on them.
Let's face it, for 99% of users they don't give a toss about the platform. They just want to know what apps are available. Most people (I believe) want a bigger screen, but not too big. Comfortably big, but thin. That's the way of things at the moment. I remember getting my S2 and thinking it was big, but now it looks like a regular phone compared to some of the phones out there. I really don't see why Apple don't make 3 or 4 different models of each iPhone. They could just make them different sizes (same resolution, to save the OS changes). They may have a big brand, but they could have a much bigger one if they just took their fingers out of their ears and started to listen to the rest of the market.
russeini said:
Tell ur brother he can take his narrow iphone 4 nd ...... it smwhere he cant fit large sizes unlike his ridiculously big mouth!
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Raymond199483 said:
Tell your brother that apple sucks compared to android
Nuff said
sent from my unrooted kindle fire hd
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Now...now...settle down.
I believe it's a circular dilemma for phone\device makers.
Phones approaching tablet size then tablets reclining into phone size.
Wireless mobile of course started off huge moved to tiny (early Ericsson cellphones) now sizes are yet to stabilize.
Boils down to what fits flat against your hip.
You're bros high man.
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In my opinion the nexus 4 and the HTC one have prefect screen sizes- 4.7 inches. Not too big and not too small. Note 2 and the Xperia z are way too big for my liking
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4.3-4.7 is the perfect screen size. Even the recently launched SG Grand is 5". Bummer. S3 Mini would have been a better release, and I'm quite sure Samsung won't release it here because they can affect each others sales.
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Archer said:
Most people (I believe) want ... Comfortably big, but thin.
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Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean
StormMcCloud said:
Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean
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