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I recently purchased my Droid Bionic, not aware that in a month's time the HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2 officially) would be released. I read up on many rumors of the HTC device, but they all seemed very unlikely. I asked my friend who works for Verizon about the HTC device if he knew anything about it, and he did and told me the specs of the HTC Vigor would be identical to the Bionic, noting that the rumors aren't true, and that it's most likely 1GHz or 1.2GHz dual core, with a qHD 560x940 screen. As far as dimensions or weight, he doesn't know how the HTC Vigor will do in that category. He works high up in Verzion, and I won't disclose his name just in case this info wasn't supposed to be given to me.
Should I return my Bionic and hold off for the Vigor?
I know the Bionic's PenTile screen is very disappointing, the camera is sub-par, and the battery life, while impressive, isn't as amazing as it can be (high cell standby and idle times).
How are HTC screens usually compared to others (SGSII, iPhone, Motorola)? Battery life on HTC phones? My main concern is the battery life overtime; would custom ROMs improve the battery life of the bionic?
I know the camera will definitely beat out the Bionic.
Is anyone returning their phone and waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt 2?
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I would chose the Bionic after all the problems with the Thunderbolt. I will not go back to a htc again.
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I had read, prior to purchasing the Bionic, that HTC Vigor, Prime, and iPhone 5 would all be released in October. Since I didn't want an iPhone and am not super techie that I need a pure Google phone, it was really between the Vigor and the bionic. My last phone was the HTC Droid Eris. Although with root and some fab devs producing ROMs, my l'il Eris lasted me through my 2 yr contract, it was buggy. The hardware literally fell apart and I had to replace the handset 4 times in my 2 yr contract. Although I know ppl who love their Incredibles and Thunderbolts - they ALSO complain of software bugs and hardware issues. Having weighed that, I decided to go with a Motorola product. My friends who have Moto Droids all like them and rave about them. Plus, I'm eager to see if Google acquiring Motorola Mobility will have any impact on the Bionic or proceeding products. I WOULD like to see unlocked bootloaders in the future though.
HTC Vigor:
1. It's going to be running a dual-core previous generation Snapdragon, *not* the new Krait cores which aren't even coming out until 2012. The OMAP4 in the Bionic definitely outperforms it.
2. Just going to be a Sensation on Verizon. If you want to check it out, go to your local T-Mobile store and look at it yourself.
Nexus Prime:
1. We don't really have much details on it.
2. It *might* even also have the dual-core Snapdragon the Sensation/Vigor will run. Seeing as how the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 has that instead of the Exynos, it's highly possible.
3. Eric Schmidt said Ice Cream Sandwich is coming out in October or November. This is a huge timeframe which will most likely lean towards the November area. If previous trends match up with this, the phone will come out *after* the software. Last year, the Nexus S came out 2 weeks after GingerBread dropped on AOSP. If it comes out at the end of October or beginning of November, that will be November or even December before we see the Nexus Prime.
My 2 cents before you start comparing the Bionic to the other phones coming out.
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
cdf3 said:
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I didn't think about the percentages must equal 100%, which answers my question about the call standby and the phone idle percentages being so high. Thanks for answering that for me.
AdamNJ77 said:
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
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It's not 1.5GHz, its either 1.0GHz, or 1.2GHz. I'm also 100% sure if the Vigor has the A8 Qualcomm dual-core chip, that the Bionic will wipe the floor with it.
bill.garrett said:
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
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According to rumors, the Prime is supposed to sport a 4.65" screen, which honestly to me is way too big, so for me it was either the Bionic or the Vigor (TB2).
Thanks for everyone's responses, they're definitely giving me insight into both phones and their capabilities as well as how they will perform in the long run. Keep them coming!
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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equake said:
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.
Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?
Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome).
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
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It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.
Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE
seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.
I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.
I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.
But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).
Just my experience and opinion...
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
Jack_R1 said:
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?
I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.
Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.
I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Theshawty said:
Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.
I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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ray3andrei said:
Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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I am thinking of getting a HTC One. But, after seeing the spec sheet of Snapdragon, comparing the Snapsragon 600 (used in HTC One) vs the Snapdragon 800 the latter seems to be far better than the 600 series. Also, in the spec sheet the SD 600 is categorized under mid-high end phones, where the SD 800 is intended for super premium phones, tablets and smart tv's. Source: Spec sheet and Qualcomm Press Release
So, I'd like to know your opinions. Should I go for the HTC One, which seems a great phone overall, just not the best possible SOC (but great enough for a phone I reckon), or should I wait for one of the first Snapdragon 800 devices?
These days no matter which phone you buy, few months later something better will get released.
And besides that, at the moment snapdragon s4 pro is best soc available(until htc one comes out) and snapdragon 600 is suppose to be 40% better in performances, so I would definitely go for it...
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I don't think we will see the 800 on phones at least not until a new chip can beat the 600.....
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at this point i honestly feel like phones don't really have a need to get any faster for day-to-day usage. it's more about software features. 1080p is nice, but it's not a MUST HAVE over a 720p. snapdragon 800 is a great bonus if you're in the market for a smartphone when it comes out, but getting the s4 pro or the 600 will probably not give you any lag or speed problems. i mostly root and install stock android on most of my phones so the 2 things i always look for are:
1. battery life
2. design
that's it. though i wonder if i'd rather stay on htc sense if i ever get an htc phone. everyone always bashes it but i find sense to be extremely good looking (even better than stock).
S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
after the S800 the S900 then the S1000 etc... every few months there will be something newer and faster just like dual core, quad core and now the supposed 8core chips that are being developed or already developed ... as well as the SGS3 then SGS4 then SGS5 , note 3, then note 4 etc.. you get the idea if you wait for the newer thing thats "about to come out" then your gonna always end up waiting and never have anything ...
Since I get a new phone every 2 years I could wait a couple of months for better, newer hardware though. SD800 devices are said to use Quick Charge 2.0 and Voice activation, which are ONLY available only for the SD800 devices. I read somewhere that there are already 55 SD800 devices in the works (source), so waiting a couple more months for a significant performance boost, even lower battery drain, and charging the battery up to 75% faster seems logical to me. (Not to mention encode/decode of 4K HD content, 50% boost in graphics and 100% boost in performance due to Adreno 330, 50% faster LTE bandwidth and clocked to 2,3GHz) Those are a lot of high percentages! Voice activation could be interesting, but I rarely use voice so that's not a big deal for me. Maybe in the future when Google Now becomes available in the Netherlands though.
The comments are understandable that you should not wait for the next best thing as you will end up having nothing. But a few more months for such a performance and feature boost, to me, is a better insurance my phone will keep up the next 2 years (hardware wise).
But thanks again for the replies!
Well, I've had early access to one running a final build in Canada. If it's performance you're worried about; I've ran Nenamark 2 on it, and it never went below 60 FPS. The result was 60.2 average.
The only major thing that could have made me wait though is the quicker charging feature, however I mostly charge my devices at night so charging times makes little difference to me.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm biased towards the One. I've been following it since it was just a rumor and had already pre-ordered it.
Its the most poerful device rite now..what else do u want? Evn s4 wont be that big a difference..and plasticky
Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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LC, will we see your work on hTC One??
I'm definitely getting 600 snapdragon and past 800,1200. And getting 1600. LOL. There's always gonna be a better phone, I'm not gonna wait forever.
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i take now, is away more powerfull than my gs3 and better construction
HTC One + will be out in a couple of months after the S4 release, as HTC always does.
And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Until a couple of months down the line when something else that makes us drool is released.
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S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
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According to some rumours there may be S800 phones out as early as July. I don't think anyone really knows.
I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
And the Results are? :::drum roll:::
Greetings, Bramgg. After Googling the SAME question... it brought me to your post and this forum. I was fascinated by some of the insightful comments you got on this post, Bramgg. i'm a AT&T customer in the US and unless i plan on losing my fishing partner (and more importantly his boat!! lol) i'm pretty locked in with my service provider! Lol.
I currently am using an HTC Vivid (pausing for those reading this to groan) and i'm primarily still using that phone because i have been dragging my feet waiting for the Snapdragon 800. i happen to REALLY like HTC even though i can't deny the sluggish performance and lag times on the Vivid have been verrrry frustrating. I guess my frustration is part of the reason i have dragged my feet in selecting a new phone but honestly, i can't take it any more!! i need a new phone.... hopefully in the next few days.
I have a real fascination with the Snapdragon 800... and am curious if you waited for it or went with the 600 as you were contemplating? Are you pleased with the speed? This is kind of embarrassing to admit on an advanced user forum but i'm not even aware if the 800 is out yet and available on HTC devices. I'm not completely locked into HTC i guess, but i do like the 'Shortcut to Four Apps' feature on the lock screen and i do think they build a high quality phone compared to many of the other companies who flood the market with phones and discontinue them three months later.
Thanks in advance for any help you or others reading this can provide... i'm very anxious to have a phone that responds more quickly.
Steven
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Shadow, I'm fascinated (and slightly jealous! lol) of your knowledge on processors. i told Bramgg (in a post below on this thread) a few details about what i'm contemplating and why. May i get your thoughts please... when time permits, of course. i suppose i could wait a week or so if something specific had already been announced but i'm not sure i can wait much longer for a new device as i'm verrrrrry frustrated with the lagging on the HTC Vivid. The Vivid has a 1.2 GHz dualcore processor with 1GB of memory... but it's not cutting it. Texts, Apps opening... all verry slow.
Thanks in advance.
Steven
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I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
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http://m.gsmarena.com/an_alleged_photo_of_the_samsung_galaxy_s5_box_reveals_the_specs-news-7788.php
The chipset has a quad-core CPU at 2.5GHz and LTE Cat. 4 (150Mbps downlink). This is certainly a Snapdragon chipset and we're possibly looking at the Snapdragon 800 8974AC variety, which packs Krait 400 at 2.46GHz. The box also promises 3GB RAM, same as the Galaxy Note 3 (as can be expected).Moving on, the screen is listed as 5.25" QHD (2,560 x 1,600), which is precisely what the latest rumors have been saying. That would push the pixel density to 560ppi, but keep in mind this is likely a PenTile Super AMOLED, so it should have a noticeable visual improvement over the current 5" 440ppi screen.Same goes for the camera - a 20MP shooter, which is in line with the*leaked 16MP photo*that had 16:9 aspect ratio (20MP is at 4:3). Strangely, the video capture is just 1080p.The final bit of specifications that the box reveals is Android 4.4 KitKat and a 3,000mAh battery.
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That pic is most probably fake.
They haven't even announced the device yet. It won't hit the stores for a couple of months. I doubt they've started making retail boxes for it just yet.
Sam Mobile thinks its fake too.
If the battery is really only a 3amp battery then I'm already out. The battery life on the SD800 is already horrid as it is. On top of that, the 2.3GHz SD800 is already pointless to the average user. 2.5GHz is just going to suck the life right out of the device. I compared my LG Optimus G Pro (SD600 1.7GHz) to my grandmother's LG G2 (SD800 2.3GHz) and noticed absolutely no difference in terms of gaming performance. Yeah, it scores higher in benchmarks but that doesn't even matter. Just about all apps don't even need 1.7GHz quad core, or even use enough resources to really stress the device. She's even convinced to trade in her G2 for the G Pro simply for the bigger screen + better battery life (She doesn't do anything besides texting, phone calls and check Facebook and has to charge her G2 TWICE A DAY, not including a nightly charge, compared to my G Pro only needing a nightly charge). If anyone does anything to further improve batteries, or even the need for such power, then I'd consider an SD800 or higher device. Until then, these newer "flagship" phones can bite me.
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Sure, the ridiculously fast processor (that matches my desktop's processor speed...) seems pointless for most if not all games and apps on the market TODAY. But how are we going to improve the future without the tools with which to do so? The S5 is, regardless of the accuracy of these leaked specs, is going to be a powerful piece of machinery, and with that popular of a phone on the market, developers will do whatever they can to push the limits of the phone. Think about it, you could be playing some (slightly) older PC games on your phone in a couple of years.
And who knows, maybe they'll find some battery tweaks or a more efficient way to structure everything so it doesn't drain so fast. If nothing else, you could be like my roommate who always has 2 spare batteries and a battery charger for his S4. Just switch them out, and in 10 seconds you're back to full.
I see your point but who wants to spend $40+ for extra batteries or carry around a battery pack? On top of that, there aren't enough devices with specs like these to really develop apps that would actually utilize that kind of power. One device among all others. It's just like PC vs Console gaming. Games are dumbed down because consoles can't match the speed of high end PC's so PC gamers lose out in the end.
I'm saying that these phone companies should look more towards advancing batteries than making more and more powerful devices that can't keep up with use. Look at those old green screen phones. Those things could last days, even weeks on a single charge compared to smartphones.
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Sure, the ridiculously fast processor (that matches my desktop's processor speed...) seems pointless for most if not all games and apps on the market TODAY. But how are we going to improve the future without the tools with which to do so? The S5 is, regardless of the accuracy of these leaked specs, is going to be a powerful piece of machinery, and with that popular of a phone on the market, developers will do whatever they can to push the limits of the phone. Think about it, you could be playing some (slightly) older PC games on your phone in a couple of years.
And who knows, maybe they'll find some battery tweaks or a more efficient way to structure everything so it doesn't drain so fast. If nothing else, you could be like my roommate who always has 2 spare batteries and a battery charger for his S4. Just switch them out, and in 10 seconds you're back to full.
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I average 20+ hours with 4-5 hours of screen on time with my GS4. To be fair though, I'm not running TW. Google Edition 4.3 ATM. Kit Kat's battery life on this device isn't as good and the pulldown notification is a little choppy at times :-/
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That pic is most probably fake.
They haven't even announced the device yet. It won't hit the stores for a couple of months. I doubt they've started making retail boxes for it just yet.
Sam Mobile thinks its fake too.
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It will be released in Barcelona on 23rd February before mwc
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It will be released in Barcelona on 23rd February before mwc
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It will be announced. It won't be available till April
S4 was announced on 15th March and went on sale in the last week of April.. about 6 weeks. The first batch was packed in April.
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It will be announced. It won't be available till April
S4 was announced on 15th March and went on sale in the last week of April.. about 6 weeks. The first batch was packed in April.
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Yeah brother that I know
Atleast it's reviews will be collected on YouTube
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So, I am on Sprint and currently have the Note 3 which I love but has given me nothing but problems. Is it too late at this point to switch to the Nexus 6? Should I hold out another month or two since all the new phones will be coming out in Feb-April? I absolutely love getting a new phone but I hate how fast they move. The Nexus 6 just came out and in 2 months or so, it will already be outdated. Just drives me nuts. So, whats your opinions? Should I suck it up and hold out, or just upgrade now?
Just buy one, this will happen with every phone release. Something better is always around the corner
I wouldn't say the N6 will be outdated.... I would say everything else will catch up to it... What do you think is coming out in the future? The Note 4 just came out......
They aren't even rolling out Lollipop to other devices anytime soon so it still always has that edge as well....
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I just joined the Nexus world on Friday with a Nexus 6, I have to say regardless of what others might say I love this phone. Given that Nexus 4 is receiving all the updates, I would say by the time your contract is up the Nexus 6 will still actually be current... just my 2 cents... btw if you have the drop you phone syndrome (like me) I would suggest investing in a decent case. My son in law dropped his Iphone6 2 days after getting it.... then put a case on....
I'm just worried. There's a couple small things missing in the nexus that i want in my next phone and i really want the snapdragon 810 when that comes out. I really wanted the Xperia Z3 but that didn't make it to sprint and I've been thinking the Galaxy S6 or the Xperia Z4 if it makes it to Sprint. The screen size and resolution of the nexus 6 with Qi Charging are what really keep me coming back to considering it. No sdcard has me really worried. I have 32GB internal now and 32 sdcard and I've had to delete stuff.
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^ both valid points.
A phone announced in April doesn't make its way out until a month (if not more) later and by then it's already halfway to the next nexus announcement.
If you are waiting on the 810, you might want to check today's news as it looks like it will be delayed... in Google news search snapdragon 810... 64 gb and you have to delete stuff?? dude what you got on there? Sounds like you need a phone with 128 gb capacity..... I generally keep stuff up on dropbox or google drive if it is not used often....
Its never too late, this phone will have a long life. Even the Nexus 4 still have active development.
Snapdragon 810... doesn't really matter, our hardware is already good as it is. I care more about development over hardware. You have to keep in mind that you can have the best of the best when it comes to hardware specification but if the software is not well optimized, then your hardware isn't going to do anything as it'll consume more processing power, RAM, etc.
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If you are waiting on the 810, you might want to check today's news as it looks like it will be delayed... in Google news search snapdragon 810... 64 gb and you have to delete stuff?? dude what you got on there? Sounds like you need a phone with 128 gb capacity..... I generally keep stuff up on dropbox or google drive if it is not used often....
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What are you talking about LG Flex2 already is out with 810.
You will see a lot of new phones with 810 at MWC.
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What are you talking about LG Flex2 already is out with 810.
You will see a lot of new phones with 810 at MWC.
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The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.
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The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.
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There is no delay what so ever regarding 810 as been said by Qualcomm.
Also there is a Note 4 with 810 for Korean market only, info.
Btw LG Flex2 is not a prototype, it is real deal. Will be launched next month in Vodafone UK exclusively for 6 weeks, also LG taking pre orders at Amazon Germany.
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The note 4 in Korea was not a snapdragon 810. Same as in all the others.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8805/samsung-launches-the-galaxy-note-4-ltea
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The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.
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HAHAHA LOL.
Did you read that article?
A hilarious line reads as "and its clock rate, an index representing a processor's performance, was estimated to be lower than its predecessor, the Snapdragon 805".
*** clock rate is NOT an "index representing a processor's performance". A clock rate is a clock rate is a clock rate. Nothing more. And yes, we ALL KNOW that the A57 cores have a lower clock rate than current 32bit ARM chips... but no matter, because they do WAY MORE WORK PER CYCLE.
Another bit of comedy: "According to the mobile chipset benchmark Geekbench, the Snapdragon 810 had a serious "throttling" problem that forcibly limits the graphic processing performance when it overheats."
*** so I suppose they would rather that it MELTS when it overheats, rather than throttling back to safety? Note that this only means that those people RAN Geekbench, not that anyone technically associated with Geekbench software made any comment... this is a highly misleading statement. Are they even aware that PHONES do NOT have active cooling (a fan)? They aren't designed or intended to run at a high rate for hours on end. They are intended to work for short bursts intermittently. If they become heat soaked, they need time to cool off. They ALWAYS benchmark better when you put them in the freezer.
Just incredible what kind of bogus article that is....
*** which isn't to say that the chip won't have some first run issues. I'm currently running a first generation Qualcomm Krait. It happens to be loaded with problems. We get around most of them, but the killer awesome feature they added to these cores... which is supposed to let them track and control the voltage supply automatically rather than being table driven... is a bit hit or miss. If the chip cranks up too quickly, it doesn't compensate correctly and undervolts, triggering a random reboot. We've managed to get it in line so it happens... "rarely", but it still does happen. And so, I'm willing to let the first run or two of the Qualcomm 810's go through before jumping onto it. The current "soon to be available" lg gflex2 phone also really doesn't interest me because I just know that I (or someone else) would end up sitting on it and snapping it in half. I'm thinking that if the next Nexus will run something like that, I may just go for that.
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So, I am on Sprint and currently have the Note 3 which I love but has given me nothing but problems. Is it too late at this point to switch to the Nexus 6? Should I hold out another month or two since all the new phones will be coming out in Feb-April? I absolutely love getting a new phone but I hate how fast they move. The Nexus 6 just came out and in 2 months or so, it will already be outdated. Just drives me nuts. So, whats your opinions? Should I suck it up and hold out, or just upgrade now?
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Please hold out for the new phones. Snapdragon 810 is going to be epic. Nexus 6 is very good but if you need 64 bit 810 and MicroSD support, then wait for Z4 / Z4 Ultra. That means you would have to make do with Note 3 for the next 3-4 months minimum.
If you can survive with Note 3, then, wait for 3-4 months, else, buy Nexus 6