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Hey Everyone!
Apparently, T-Mobile US is launching their 3G in my area (Minneapolis, MN) next week! I was wondering if there is any way possible to make my currently ATT Tilt to work with it?
When I was underground in a parking ramp, my phone showed 3G symbol, but did not connect to anything (not even able to call out). I dunno if that would help any.
Thank you in advance!
Rytt
You'll need your phone to be SIM unlocked and then setup the connection settings for tmobile 3g for 3g internet access. Don't get too excited. the battery life on 3g sucks. I've disabled it on AT&T.
I believe the answer that you're looking for is that the Tilt does not support the 1700MHz band.
It's not going to work on T-Mobile's 3G network.. T-Mobile uses 1700mhz band.
Yup that's why HTC is making a KAIS140. Its Probably going to be Marked the T-Mobile "Slant" or something.
DVS_WiNdz said:
It's not going to work on T-Mobile's 3G network.. T-Mobile uses 1700mhz band.
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Yup, 3g wont work.
I do believe that it is possible to enable 1700mhz with a software.
Diamond had 850Mhz enabled with a radio rom update. And if you will look at Kaiser FCC date sheet it was tested for 1700mhz.
So what i think is wan HTC wilt release Kaiser with 1700nhz for T-mobile, it will be possible to use that radio rom for all Kaiser and Polaris.
Link http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/20/htc-kaiser-manual-mentions-t-mobile-1700mhz-support/
Theres the answer I was wanting for! lol
I actually read that too so was hoping someone smart can update the radio for tmobile.
the battery life on 3g sucks. I've disabled it on AT&T.
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Get a different Radio or ROM (better both) and you can have 3G on all day and still will have power left when it's getting dark outside.
Radio adv.: NEON or NIKI, will help to speed up your GPS as well.
For editing the connection (auto setup AND edit) use HTC_CONNECTION_SETUP_V1_0_31758_7 (look around my upload failed).
Install
Boot
Answer question
Notes:
Technically cingular.wap doesn't require username and pw, works fine w/o.
CHECK PROXY SETTING AFTER YOU RAN IT (default is proxy ON better set it OFF).
Anyone know if it will be possible to unlock that frequency VIA radio update??
I hate to bump this post after so long, but I just got off the phone with T-mobile and they said they are supporting 1700 and 1900 for 3G bands. The kaiser supports 1900 as-is at the very least. This means once they're done, it *should* work. We will see, but I have hope for the AT&T Tilt users.
n00bish said:
I hate to bump this post after so long, but I just got off the phone with T-mobile and they said they are supporting 1700 and 1900 for 3G bands. The kaiser supports 1900 as-is at the very least. This means once they're done, it *should* work. We will see, but I have hope for the AT&T Tilt users.
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The simple answer is no, the tilt or any other 3g phones will not work on T-Mobile new 3G network. Phone reps usually don't know what the hell their talking about. The phone will work on T-Mobile as it does now, at Edge speeds. The new T-Mobile 3G network doesn't match up with any other network in the world, so you have to wait for T-Mobile to roll out some 3G smartphones. The new network runs on 1700 and 2100MHz bands.
that's not good....
1700 not exclusive for T-M0 3g?
From a 3g phone on t-mos website:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz
its matches the 1800 and does not mention the 1700.
hmmm
Here's something a little strange for anyone reading this post.
I have a TYTN II unlocked straight from Dubai. I bought it before the Tilt was available in the US. I upgraded to the new WM 6.1 Rom when it came out. I was disappointed to hear the Tmobile isn't supporting any 3G frequencies that the TYTN II supports. I am also using a 5 year old SIM card, not that it makes much of a difference. Well here's where this little story gets interesting.
I live about 15 minutes outside of Washington DC. Yesterday I was in Baltimore for a photo shoot. When I got back in to the DC area I went to have drinks with a friend who is on AT&T and had a Tilt. After drinking a beer or two I decided to check my email. Lo and behold at the top of the screen I have a little "E" symbol but next to it where I have the signal indicator I had a little "3G" next to it. I know I wasn't roaming and I was down the street from my house. So obviously we decided to try a webpage I'd never been to that was image heavy to test the "3G" out. The page loaded up very fast and event my friend said it seemed like it was "3G".
I'm not trying to get anyone's hopes up but I thought I'd share.
oh yeah, I also disconnected the connection and reconnected and I still get the "3G" I haven't done a soft reset yet because I'm really liking the speed. lol
Ghost_1 said:
Here's something a little strange for anyone reading this post.
I have a TYTN II unlocked straight from Dubai. I bought it before the Tilt was available in the US. I upgraded to the new WM 6.1 Rom when it came out. I was disappointed to hear the Tmobile isn't supporting any 3G frequencies that the TYTN II supports. I am also using a 5 year old SIM card, not that it makes much of a difference. Well here's where this little story gets interesting.
I live about 15 minutes outside of Washington DC. Yesterday I was in Baltimore for a photo shoot. When I got back in to the DC area I went to have drinks with a friend who is on AT&T and had a Tilt. After drinking a beer or two I decided to check my email. Lo and behold at the top of the screen I have a little "E" symbol but next to it where I have the signal indicator I had a little "3G" next to it. I know I wasn't roaming and I was down the street from my house. So obviously we decided to try a webpage I'd never been to that was image heavy to test the "3G" out. The page loaded up very fast and event my friend said it seemed like it was "3G".
I'm not trying to get anyone's hopes up but I thought I'd share.
oh yeah, I also disconnected the connection and reconnected and I still get the "3G" I haven't done a soft reset yet because I'm really liking the speed. lol
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what internet plan are you on
Ghost_1 said:
Here's something a little strange for anyone reading this post.
I have a TYTN II unlocked straight from Dubai. I bought it before the Tilt was available in the US. I upgraded to the new WM 6.1 Rom when it came out. I was disappointed to hear the Tmobile isn't supporting any 3G frequencies that the TYTN II supports. I am also using a 5 year old SIM card, not that it makes much of a difference. Well here's where this little story gets interesting.
I live about 15 minutes outside of Washington DC. Yesterday I was in Baltimore for a photo shoot. When I got back in to the DC area I went to have drinks with a friend who is on AT&T and had a Tilt. After drinking a beer or two I decided to check my email. Lo and behold at the top of the screen I have a little "E" symbol but next to it where I have the signal indicator I had a little "3G" next to it. I know I wasn't roaming and I was down the street from my house. So obviously we decided to try a webpage I'd never been to that was image heavy to test the "3G" out. The page loaded up very fast and event my friend said it seemed like it was "3G".
I'm not trying to get anyone's hopes up but I thought I'd share.
oh yeah, I also disconnected the connection and reconnected and I still get the "3G" I haven't done a soft reset yet because I'm really liking the speed. lol
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What did you do after you got home and took off your left shoe?
i have the unlimited data plan. I ended up having to soft reset my phone and I no longer get the little 3G symbol. I did however get to check on the speed of it using one of those websites. Normally with EDGE I get roughly 80-95kbps when I check with the little 3G I got 171kbps. So my question is how/why did my phone pick up the 3G and am I able to get it to do it again.
The tilt supports 2100 band
since the device supports the 2100 band sholdnt it work, all the reps that i talked to said the 3g works on the 2100 band. WE HAVE THE 2100, this should work only if u could activate it under settings/phone band tap... which i cant
Now nooone will reply anything
Its like u guys dont wanna care if this works or not dude!
OK, I must be dreaming! I looked at my x1i today, and I'm suddenly getting 3G/H. Until today, I've always only had Edge.
fieldtest.exe band shows 255:unknown
Ran speed test from dslreports.com using Opera; showing 1124 kbit/sec for a 1MB file test. Ran again with IE and got 1190 kbit/sec
I know the hardware specs on the x1i don't match up with Rogers 3g network, so did Rogers change their network recently?
This is an unlocked x1i with Generic UK ROM 1.05.931.10 R3AA010
I'm in Aurora, Ontario (north of Toronto).
Anyone else seeing this?
Rogers rolling out 3G on the 1900MHz band or you have an X1a.
I've had this x1i since December. So does anyone know if Rogers is changing, and has anyone else suddenly seen 3g?
I started noticing the 3G symbol about 2 days ago myself here in Toronto, before that it was 95% of the time E and sometimes just G. Now its 95% 3G and its unusual for it to go to E anymore. No idea though on benchmarks since I don't have a Data plan at the moment and so I only use it when I really need to. Will see if any friends have a data plan though and don't mind me borrowing my SIM for a few minutes and giving it a try, because I'm curious now. Getting the 30 fps VGA recording and 3G locally - that'd be awesome .
Peter
Thanks, pdamouse. This gives me hope that Rogers has changed their 3g network, and that I'll now finally have a really cool phone.
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Anyone have a tech contact at Rogers that might be able to confirm?
maybe you just passed by one of the very few 1900mhz towers
Called Rogers tech support earlier; the rep I spoke with had no idea, so he asked a colleague. The colleague apparently said they now support all 4 frequencies.
The colleague was on a call, so I couldn't get any further info.
So theoretically, I was told that Rogers is now running 3g on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 mhz.
I have not been able to find anything on Rogers' site to confirm in writing.
Anyone else able to confirm?
Aha! Think it may be related to Rogers introduction of the HSPA+ ROCKET™ MOBILE INTERNET STICK
See: http://your.rogers.com/Store/Wireless/products/rstick_info.asp
Specs there indicate:
Technology: HSPA+/EDGE/GSM
Frequency:
HSPA+/UMTS 850/1900/2100Mhz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900Mhz
Data Transmission:
HSDPA – Up to 21Mbps downlink
HSUPA – Up to 5.76Mbps uplink
Great I am not the only one that noticed this. Last week I was walking to the subway and noticed 3G and H on my phone. I was blown away! I spent the weekend downtown and had 3G/HSPA everywhere. Couldn't do a speedtest but it was definately faster than EDGE.
From what I noticed, downtown Toronto now has 1900 3G but as you leave the city towards Mississauga you go back to EDGE.
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OK, I must be dreaming! I looked at my x1i today, and I'm suddenly getting 3G/H. Until today, I've always only had Edge.
Anyone else seeing this?
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Got the same situation on last Friday when driving at 401 and 404. But didn't get a chance to test the speed before it jumped back to EDGE.
I'm getting 3g consistently in Aurora and Newmarket. Better in some areas than others.
Also noticed 3g as I was coming down the 404.
Now in Pickering, and it's completely back to edge.
ok wtf, i bought my phone from rogers, and i've been getting 3G and H for a month now, but i just checked settings->device information->identity and under model it says x1i not x1a. anyone else noticing this? maybe because of custom rom?
from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4579528
go into Settings, System, Device Information. Select the Hardware tab. Beside the first entry, CPU, you'll see one of two things:
"QUALCOMM(R) 7200A" means you've got X1i
"QUALCOMM(R) 7201A" means you've got X1a
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Got the same situation on last Friday when driving at 401 and 404. But didn't get a chance to test the speed before it jumped back to EDGE.
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lol I live within 200 meters of where those highways meet (404/DVP and 401) - that might be why I've been seeing 3G on my phone 100% of the time I'm at home. I never thought being this close to the busiest highway intersection in Canada would help me get better cell reception - but apparently it does .
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Aha! Think it may be related to Rogers introduction of the HSPA+ ROCKET™ MOBILE INTERNET STICK
See: http://your.rogers.com/Store/Wireless/products/rstick_info.asp
Specs there indicate:
Technology: HSPA+/EDGE/GSM
Frequency:
HSPA+/UMTS 850/1900/2100Mhz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900Mhz
Data Transmission:
HSDPA – Up to 21Mbps downlink
HSUPA – Up to 5.76Mbps uplink
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this was indeed due to the HSPA+ roll out rogers recently did. i can confirm this is the same situation on the west coast in Vancouver...thank you Rogers, now bell and telus the balls in your court.... pick it up!!
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lol I live within 200 meters of where those highways meet (404/DVP and 401) - that might be why I've been seeing 3G on my phone 100% of the time I'm at home. I never thought being this close to the busiest highway intersection in Canada would help me get better cell reception - but apparently it does .
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Lucky you. The 3G signal disapears at Finch, so I still can only get EDGE at home. Hopefully more towers will be upgraded soon.
Today I managed to stay in place long enough to do a speed test.
I got 2.2mbs down and 0.65 up. Not really mind blowing but I was in a building and wasnt getting full signal. Also, there is 3G in north Mississauga, it's weird.
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Lucky you. The 3G signal disapears at Finch, so I still can only get EDGE at home. Hopefully more towers will be upgraded soon.
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Sorry man, I'm sure they will be adding more towers - the area is expanding quite quickly. I was suprised at getting the signal more than anything, and someone mentioning right where I live as the place they see it - I way way over use the : P smiley...
wait a second here
This thread doesn't make sense - I have read elsewhere that the X1a and the X1i have identical cell frequencies.
To confirm, can someone with an X1i do the following:
Go Start > Settings > Personal > Phone.
Select the Band tab.
The second drop-down box entitled "Select your GSM/UMTS band" should give the following options:
Auto
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100)
Those are the options I get on my X1a, purchased directly from Rogers. Aren't those the options on your X1i as well?
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The second drop-down box entitled "Select your GSM/UMTS band" should give the following options:
Auto
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100)
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I actually get this on my X1i:
Auto
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
But we are discussing 3G support and HSDPA - they use different frequencies for that here as opposed to Europe, and the X1i uses those European Frequencies, while the X1a is specialized for North America. The GSM Quadband is a given that it will work everwhere there is GSM - but the 3G bands are not universal.
Peter
Hi! I have a nexus one on AT&T and absolutely love it, but due to cheaper prices and better customer support I am going to switch to T-MOBILE. So is the coverage with T-MOBILE with nexus one 3g issues worth it? How is T-MOBILE service? Please post your speeds and location in the comments. I live in East Texas and get about 2.5 megs with AT&T. Thanks forrest.
I've been with tmobile for about 6 years and their customer service is pretty great but their 3G coverage is a bit spotty in some areas. Personally, I usually have 3G and H speeds and I live in the Miami-dade and broward county in Florida. I can't really give you my speeds because I haven't taken the time to find out but they usually have a map that shows their coverage, though I don't know how accurate they are. Hope I was of some help.
I live in Sacramento and get about 700-900kbps. Nowhere near 2 megs. I've heard of other areas that get much faster speeds (HSPA+ areas). However, I rarely run into an area where I won't pick up 3G.
i live in miami florida, their service is horrible; atleast in my neighborhood. i cant get 70k downloads to save my life.
I just did one quick speed test and I got 1.77 Mbps
Yea I'm picking up my N1 tonight from the FedEx hub since my gf can't answer the door.
I live in Cincinnati OH area and it seems to be good. My neighbor has full bars on his Nexus one and Tmobile, although I don't think he's the type to know his download speed.
player911 said:
Yea I'm picking up my N1 tonight from the FedEx hub since my gf can't answer the door.
I live in Cincinnati OH area and it seems to be good. My neighbor has full bars on his Nexus one and Tmobile, although I don't think he's the type to know his download speed.
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I live in Cincinnati as well. The west side of town to be more accurate.
I can agree that for the most part 3G/H is pretty common there are still a decent amount of Edge holes in certain areas.
Overall the connection is pretty good.
My issue is the download/upload speeds on the Tmobile 3G/H network in Cincinnati. It doesn't matter where I go; Downtown, Kenwood, Blue Ash, Milford, Springdale, Cheviot, Northern KY... My speeds are pretty subpar
for 3G+. I get on avg .4-.5 mbps down and .3-.4 mbps up no matter where I am at in the city. This includes being within a football field of an H equiped tower.
They have some major work to do in Cincinnati when it comes to upgrading the networks backhaul.
remember you will have to buy a new nexus one to work with tmobile's 3G. the att version only supports ATt's 3G, and the tmobile only supports tmobile's 3G. so you will need a new phone
RogerPodacter said:
remember you will have to buy a new nexus one to work with tmobile's 3G. the att version only supports ATt's 3G, and the tmobile only supports tmobile's 3G. so you will need a new phone
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This is true. They are setup slightly different to handle that carriers specific 3G/H frequencies. Maybe you can sell yours on Craigslist if you decide to and break even.
That is my plan. Anyone with coverage in Texas? espicaly in East Texas? Also when is the 21 mbps supposed to be released? I am just a little hesitant to jump ship.
sheek360 said:
i live in miami florida, their service is horrible; atleast in my neighborhood. i cant get 70k downloads to save my life.
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Thats wonderful. I like up the street (kinda) in Tampa florida and thats the news I was hoping for..
So I ordered today from Expansys, Which I am assuming sells the C6903, I was wondering whether it would support 4g network speeds on ATT, I know it won't support LTE, I don't need LTE, unless 4G is lte??? (trying to find out the bands for 4g vs/ lte is confusing me!) I've been using the HTC raider in the US and it says 4g in the signal area, nothing about lte. As long as the speed is the same as my current phone I'm fine. Thanks! I guess im trying to figure out if the phone will connect to HSPA+ (if that is what ATT considers 4g)
you will get hspa. no lte
Thanks!
If your city has 1700 LTE band deployed you might have a chance, mine does, ill report back once I get the phone next week
Would you happen to know how to find that out? I currently live in Texas
EDIT found that it is available in the following cities: Phoenix, Raleigh, San Juan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Chicago, Charlotte, Athens, GA and College Station, TX.
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Would you happen to know how to find that out? I currently live in Texas
EDIT found that it is available in the following cities: Phoenix, Raleigh, San Juan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Chicago, Charlotte, Athens, GA and College Station, TX.
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That is correct! For me I live in Raleigh, Hopefully it will pick up the signal without issues.
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That is correct! For me I live in Raleigh, Hopefully it will pick up the signal without issues.
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the C6906 is the correct one for AT&T has the 700 band
Thinking of jumping ship to TMO, for the simple fact I can get root on all my devices. No contract, unlimited everything. Where I am hoping I don't have any issues with service. I am curious to know what the thoughts of everyone. Pro's Con's of switching/staying and or buying a TMO N4 to use on ATT network..
Thanks
This thread is about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2941837
Android_Monsters said:
This thread is about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2941837
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Thanks for that link...
Read through it. Issue I am having is the wife is having better service in some areas where ATT isn't as good. But I am finding that in some cases, ATT is faster in speed tests. TMO has been solid as far as service where I live..
Sucks, cause I can't find a solid answer for the people who have had the chance to try both carriers and who they like best. ATT has a higher over cost, but is that worth "better" service?
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Thanks for that link...
Read through it. Issue I am having is the wife is having better service in some areas where ATT isn't as good. But I am finding that in some cases, ATT is faster in speed tests. TMO has been solid as far as service where I live..
Sucks, cause I can't find a solid answer for the people who have had the chance to try both carriers and who they like best. ATT has a higher over cost, but is that worth "better" service?
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FWIW, I've noticed that the spots that I mainly have less than stellar service is through stretches of road away from the major cities. For me, I commute / work / live around a major city, as do my friends and family so it isn't a factor for me. As far as AT&T goes, a few of my friends have AT&T, and I will get better service in spots compared to them and vice versa. I would tell you to try out the T-Mobile test drive option if they still have it. You can try an iPhone or I believe a GS5 for seven days to gauge the service for yourself. As far as I can tell though the service, coverage, and speed are roughly the same in and around major cities and highly populated areas.
take the t mobile 7 day challenge and make up your own mind..
If you do the 7 day T-Mobile thing your credit card will get a hold of $700 plus and if you don't bring the iPhone back in 7 days it will get charged. If that's a issue I think you can buy a cheap phone and test it then return? I love T-Mobile. I had Sprint for 14 years. Now a year and a half with T-Mobile.
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take the t mobile 7 day challenge and make up your own mind..
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The only thing with that is they give you an iPhone 5S, which handles T-Mobile's AWS frequencies quite poorly. If possible, I would take that sim and put it into a T-Mobile branded Android device for better service.
AT&T will always have better coverage as they have their HSPA+ on band 5, 850mhz, which goes way farther than band 4, 1700 mhz. AT&T also has nationwide LTE on band 17, 700mhz.
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The only thing with that is they give you an iPhone 5S, which handles T-Mobile's AWS frequencies quite poorly. If possible, I would take that sim and put it into a T-Mobile branded Android device for better service.
AT&T will always have better coverage as they have their HSPA+ on band 5, 850mhz, which goes way farther than band 4, 1700 mhz. AT&T also has nationwide LTE on band 17, 700mhz.
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not everyone needs "nationwide" lte; if you dont travel much, and if tmobile is great in your area, none of that other stuff matters..
Tmobile is fantastic in chicago land, and since I dont travel for a living anymore, I love the savings, the coverage, the speed, everything about it..
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not everyone needs "nationwide" lte; if you dont travel much, and if tmobile is great in your area, none of that other stuff matters..
Tmobile is fantastic in chicago land, and since I dont travel for a living anymore, I love the savings, the coverage, the speed, everything about it..
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I'm from the Chicago land area, and I can tell you they're not good. When traveling, only about 20 miles outside the city, my data went from LTE to 4G to E back and fourth. I was also in Des Plaines, IL and data was nothing but weak 4G and E inside buildings. My AT&T phone was always on LTE. Back at home, same thing. Good coverage outside, terrible signal inside buildings. I don't think I'd complain if the EDGE actually worked lol.
For years they had nothing but EDGE at my house, and now its finally LTE (but weak). So they are improving the signals with additional antennas. I just don't think its enough. Not every market will get their band 12, 700mhz spectrum do to channel 51 interference.
I dont know what you are talking about, everywhere in chicagoland that I have been has been great as far as signals strength
And, if you have issues inside your house, just ask them for the FREE Asus ac68 router, and your inside the house signals will be great too
In another thread a person on here said T-Mobile wasn't good where I live. Coverage is great pretty much everywhere I go so guess maybe that person had a dud phone.
Right now I am able to test 2 Note 4's. One on TMO, and the other on ATT. Some areas have been better for ATT, and vice versa for TMO. Speed tests seem to favor ATT a little. But with download booster on TMO unlimited LTE, I think that might edge a head some. I don't travel a ton, the areas I do travel are usually major highways and major cities.. So once I am able to go to a few more places that will give me a better idea of who I want to stick with.
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I dont know what you are talking about, everywhere in chicagoland that I have been has been great as far as signals strength
And, if you have issues inside your house, just ask them for the FREE Asus ac68 router, and your inside the house signals will be great too
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Have you traveled out to Northwest, IN? They've gotten a lot better, but still are weak. I have no desire to use them. Especially now that I have 20GB of data from AT&T for $100. AT&T is miles a head of T-Mobile in my area.