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I had put this information in a post in another thread... somewhere... but I wanted to post it in the open here so as many people can see it as possible.
Link:
http://www.amazon.com/Worldshopping...sories/dp/B008RVE54G/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
My review:
I'm going to try really hard to pull what positives I can out of this review, but beware, there's hardly anything positive to say about it.
First, let's start with the overall feel of the product. The exterior feel of it is quite nice. Nothing to be overly excited about, but it feels decent, moderately durable, jet black color while presenting very little shine. It has a leather-like surface to it, which is quite nice. If you open it up you're presented with a plastic mold that your Nexus 7 attaches to. My Nexus 7 attached to it perfectly and was flush at all corners. I thought it'd be cool to have the swivel 360 feature as this case has, but I didn't expect it to be this terrible. The plastic mold spins freely. Literally. In fact it has extra wobble in it as you spin it, allowing you to spin the mold like a kid's pinwheel. This makes it undeniably frustrating to use when you have the front folded back and you're trying to hold the device in one hand while use the touch screen with your other, as the tablet will continuously shimmy left and right. If you're going to have a swivel function, at least make it so it provides some degree of resistance so it's not THIS movable.
At this point I realized that the "fold" (aka hinge) of this case seemed extremely flimsy. It has absolutely no strength whatsoever, which is weird because the front has some degree of a more durable "cardboard-like" backing to it, but the hinge itself is just completely loose. It feels as pliable as a microfiber cloth - I'm not kidding. This, of course, presented me with some concern about how well it would hold up my tablet when propped up. I'm here to tell you... it sucks. I'm not exaggerating. It won't even prop up my tablet in the majority of scenarios I tried. There's two notches in the front flap of the case which allows the bottom to be cradled and therefore prop it upright. I'll identify them by calling them notch A (closest to the hinge) and notch B (closest to the edge).
Notch A - Horizontal - Tablet stands upright. Hooray!
Notch A - Veritcal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
Notch B - Horizontal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
Notch B - Veritcal - Falls without hesitation. Fail.
I can only attribute this to the unbelievably soft/weak material. It just flat out doesn't work. The lack of strength leaves something to be desired. I admittedly got a little excited when I first opened the item because the exterior finish isn't really bad. In fact it's quite decent for a low end product. That alone is the only semi positive thing I was able to draw out of this product. I'm exceptionally disappointed and find the product a complete joke. I would expect (and have first hand seen) better quality tablet cases out of Five Below and other various "everything's 5 bucks" general stores. 15 bucks online? Including another 7-15 to ship this piece of garbage? Are you absolutely insane?
I have to admit, just prior to purchasing this tablet I couldn't help but to think that "Joanna" and "Ashley" (the only other two posted reviews of this product at the time of my purchase) were fake reviews, considering they both haven't posted a review before and both uploaded their review on the exact same date. Seems all too perfect, eh? Well, evidently it was. I'd like to highlight a few key points as these undoubtedly fake reviewers point out:
Joanna claims that: When open, the stand capabilities fully support the weight of the N7 and it is at a pretty good angle for viewing.
No. It doesn't. I can't even begin to express how much this statement enrages me because it is absolutely false. This thing can hardly withstand the weight of my cell phone, let alone my tablet.
Meanwhile, Ashley claims that: I am very accustomed to recognizing build quality, and I have a high level of technology expertise. I have already recommended this case to numerous people, including coworkers that have also purchased a new google nexus 7.
WHAT! You're accustomed to recognizing build quality and think that this thing in any way shape or form demonstrates even the most minuscule degree of build quality?
Look elsewhere. Please. I beg you. I cannot stress this enough. Buy anything else. Really. Anything. i-Blason, Blurex, Moko, rooCase, I've used countless cases - close your eyes, take your pick, you'll be happier off with anything else.
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As the title says!
Ordered a Z1 a wee while ago, and now, after having read some reviews am considering cancelling it - Are the reviews a load of cobblers, what do folks think.
Negatives (from reviews)
- Poor battery life
- Camera that fails to live up to expectations, over zealous post processing leading to poor, over compressed images
- Scratches very easily - does it even have Corning Gorilla Glass front/back?
- Nasty Sony UI overlay (not to bothered about this, I'll choose my own shell)
- Massive bezel compared to competition
- Bezel raised at edges meaning front surface not flat, difficult to clean + a dust magnet
- Rear glass is a finderprint magnet
- Screen issues - not good in bright sunshine (worse than AMOLED), viewing angles not great (image washed out at an angle)
Positives (from reviews):
- Good build quality
- Waterproof
- dedicated camera button
- performs well in low light
- Bundled with geeky smartwatch
- powerful processor
- Takes a micro SD
- Speaker seems half decent
If I do cancel then a Galaxy S4 is the other option. Ruled out LG G2 due to no micro SD card slot, ruled out HTC One for no SD card slot, and low megapixel camera (I like to have an image that's big enough for cropping).
Comments?
Nigel
I change my s4 for z1, i think only screen and weight os better in s4, but touchwiz in very bad and cyanogem for my octa never be good much bugs.
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I have seen sample which were beautiful. About the fingerprint magnet and bezel. You should have known about this design before preordering. Not a negative at all. It called design preference. And there's no issue with the screen. It's definitely make brighter than AMOLED.
You must be reading too much CNET. I suggest you read the preview from GSMArena. Much more fair and balanced.
Z1 very good
lee480 said:
I have seen sample which were beautiful. About the fingerprint magnet and bezel. You should have known about this design before preordering. Not a negative at all. It called design preference. And there's no issue with the screen. It's definitely make brighter than AMOLED.
You must be reading too much CNET. I suggest you read the preview from GSMArena. Much more fair and balanced.
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Actually, the above was a summary of what I had read from MANY review sites - and yes, CNET was one of them, and the most negative, but if it aint apple they don't like it anyway!!
I like the look of the design, fingerprint magnet can be fixed by adding a case, but the device is already pretty bulky.
I'm just not sure why they went for glass front/back when other manufacturers have moved away from it. The back on the zperia Z tablet looks just as classy as glass IMHO, and the HTC one is way more classy, esp in black, and that has an alu back.
HTC One best fits my design language, but does not fit my need for a decent megapix camera and an SD card slot. At the moment, Z1 comes the closest to delivering all my wants, and Samsung S4 second, but I don't like £450 plasticated phones! Like all devices, one weighs up the pro's and con's and buys the one that ticks the most boxes.
I'm told that mine wont be delivered until 1st Oct (due to the accompanying watch being delayed). I will have a chance to play with one in a shop before then.
Nigel
cancel the preorder, go play with the device once it hits the store and then decide. Reviews are just for reference, and every one preference differs. I did not pre order as i want to see the device once and play with it for sometime, and see. I want to do the same with G2 and then will decided between one of the two. S4 has an old proc i would rather suggest Note 3 to you.
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Actually, the above was a summary of what I had read from MANY review sites - and yes, CNET was one of them, and the most negative, but if it aint apple they don't like it anyway!!
I like the look of the design, fingerprint magnet can be fixed by adding a case, but the device is already pretty bulky.
I'm just not sure why they went for glass front/back when other manufacturers have moved away from it. The back on the zperia Z tablet looks just as classy as glass IMHO, and the HTC one is way more classy, esp in black, and that has an alu back.
HTC One best fits my design language, but does not fit my need for a decent megapix camera and an SD card slot. At the moment, Z1 comes the closest to delivering all my wants, and Samsung S4 second, but I don't like £450 plasticated phones! Like all devices, one weighs up the pro's and con's and buys the one that ticks the most boxes.
I'm told that mine wont be delivered until 1st Oct (due to the accompanying watch being delayed). I will have a chance to play with one in a shop before then.
Nigel
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Can you tell other reputable smartphone site that said the items above?
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lee480 said:
Can you tell other reputable smartphone site that said the items above?
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2293595/sony-xperia-z1-review
And the comments re viewing angled come from several youtube reviews comparing S4 with Z1 screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJPiIiEMBs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBFMVPNpoHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu5H4U4A8U8
Nigel
veletron said:
As the title says!
Ordered a Z1 a wee while ago, and now, after having read some reviews am considering cancelling it - Are the reviews a load of cobblers, what do folks think.
Negatives (from reviews)
- Poor battery life
- Camera that fails to live up to expectations, over zealous post processing leading to poor, over compressed images
- Scratches very easily - does it even have Corning Gorilla Glass front/back?
- Nasty Sony UI overlay (not to bothered about this, I'll choose my own shell)
- Massive bezel compared to competition
- Bezel raised at edges meaning front surface not flat, difficult to clean + a dust magnet
- Rear glass is a finderprint magnet
- Screen issues - not good in bright sunshine (worse than AMOLED), viewing angles not great (image washed out at an angle)
Positives (from reviews):
- Good build quality
- Waterproof
- dedicated camera button
- performs well in low light
- Bundled with geeky smartwatch
- powerful processor
- Takes a micro SD
- Speaker seems half decent
If I do cancel then a Galaxy S4 is the other option. Ruled out LG G2 due to no micro SD card slot, ruled out HTC One for no SD card slot, and low megapixel camera (I like to have an image that's big enough for cropping).
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Nigel
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Battery life is ok
camera is good... use manual settings for better shots
Sony ui is simplistic.. and you can get replacement home screen from playstore
The retail unit has god display so do not worry there.
other issue can be minimised by using a good front and rear screen protector..
jos_031 said:
Battery life is ok
camera is good... use manual settings for better shots
Sony ui is simplistic.. and you can get replacement home screen from playstore
The retail unit has god display so do not worry there.
other issue can be minimised by using a good front and rear screen protector..
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Really not a fan of screen protectors - always end up with at least one lump of dust under the screen - make it look naff! Current phone is a Galaxy Note 1 (almost 2 years old). Never had a screen protector, in daily use on my commute, and screen is perfect. I expect the Xperia Z1's screen to be no less durable than this. If I am going to have to cover this up to protect it from scratches then gone is its beauty - and I might as well have bought an S4 and stuck that in a TPU case!
Nova is my favoured UI. I use it on my Galaxy Note 8. Owning the Note8 is why I am not in the market for a note 3. The 8" screen on the note 8 makes the stylus far more useful than it is on my Note 1.
Nigel
veletron said:
Really not a fan of screen protectors - always end up with at least one lump of dust under the screen - make it look naff! Current phone is a Galaxy Note 1 (almost 2 years old). Never had a screen protector, in daily use on my commute, and screen is perfect. I expect the Xperia Z1's screen to be no less durable than this. If I am going to have to cover this up to protect it from scratches then gone is its beauty - and I might as well have bought an S4 and stuck that in a TPU case!
Nova is my favoured UI. I use it on my Galaxy Note 8. Owning the Note8 is why I am not in the market for a note 3. The 8" screen on the note 8 makes the stylus far more useful than it is on my Note 1.
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Seems like you don't underdstand the fact that Sony installs a shutter protector with Sony logo imprinted on their screens. It is not the screen that scratches but the protector.
Additionally Sony will not replace the shutter protector as they treat is as partbof the screen. It is much easier to apply an extra protector for 2 eur on top and change it when you need. You can remove the shutter protector (you will loose sony logo on the front) and have just glass which will be much more scratch resistant.
The back has also got an antiglare layer on glass so it is the one that shows scratches.
Being an Xperia Z owner I would highly advise using a screen protector but it is up to you. I have found that the protector does not impair phone functionality in any way and if you have difficulty with application just buy a few until you get it right or get one applied in a phone shop.
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veletron said:
As the title says!
Ordered a Z1 a wee while ago, and now, after having read some reviews am considering cancelling it - Are the reviews a load of cobblers, what do folks think.
Negatives (from reviews)
- Poor battery life
- Camera that fails to live up to expectations, over zealous post processing leading to poor, over compressed images
- Scratches very easily - does it even have Corning Gorilla Glass front/back?
- Nasty Sony UI overlay (not to bothered about this, I'll choose my own shell)
- Massive bezel compared to competition
- Bezel raised at edges meaning front surface not flat, difficult to clean + a dust magnet
- Rear glass is a finderprint magnet
- Screen issues - not good in bright sunshine (worse than AMOLED), viewing angles not great (image washed out at an angle)
Positives (from reviews):
- Good build quality
- Waterproof
- dedicated camera button
- performs well in low light
- Bundled with geeky smartwatch
- powerful processor
- Takes a micro SD
- Speaker seems half decent
If I do cancel then a Galaxy S4 is the other option. Ruled out LG G2 due to no micro SD card slot, ruled out HTC One for no SD card slot, and low megapixel camera (I like to have an image that's big enough for cropping).
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Nigel
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I preordered mine and laid down 20% non-refundable deposit, so I can't cancel my order. But if I were you, I'd get Note3 or wait out for Z2. I wouldn't get S4, it's too "old".
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veletron said:
As the title says!
Ordered a Z1 a wee while ago, and now, after having read some reviews am considering cancelling it - Are the reviews a load of cobblers, what do folks think.
Negatives (from reviews)
- Poor battery life
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None of the reviewers has a production set yet so there is no basis to this at all. reviewers need at least 1-2 weeks of using the handset daily before they can really tell the difference.
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- Camera that fails to live up to expectations, over zealous post processing leading to poor, over compressed images
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Again, no one has the final production firmware yet to test this properly. so it is hard to conclude camera. but so far from all the reviews I saw, low light pictures are amazing.
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- Scratches very easily - does it even have Corning Gorilla Glass front/back?
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Screen protectors fix this, and if possible dont install it yourself, get one from a store and let them install. it will cost a few dollars more but it is worth it. I have been using screen protectors on my xperia S for more than 1 year and I barely notice that it is there.
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- Nasty Sony UI overlay (not to bothered about this, I'll choose my own shell)
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I disagree, sony UI is the fastest, most elegant and simplistic non-nexus phone out there. if you have tried an LG or Samsung phone you will know what I am saying. if there is a criticism, it is that the UI has too few enhancements.
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- Massive bezel compared to competition
- Bezel raised at edges meaning front surface not flat, difficult to clean + a dust magnet
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This one is something you have to try yourself. most of the time, when you have placed the phone in your hand, it changes your opinion right away. most of the reviews I have read, watched are saying that Z1 is one of the most premium feeling and comfortable for a flagship android phone there is.
compare this with LG G2's plastic back, with back buttons (barf), and Note3's "Leather back (really is plastic)" back panel.
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- Rear glass is a finderprint magnet
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This is true.
veletron said:
- Screen issues - not good in bright sunshine (worse than AMOLED), viewing angles not great (image washed out at an angle)
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This is not true at all, Xperia Z1 Screen is the brightest of all. trust me it is bright! and nothing is worse than AMOLED.
Also IMO, who uses their phones at weird viewing angles? but if being used dead on, Xperia Z1 is the best. specially at watching movies.
check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VXFuMXu-SQ
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Another thing, Samsung's Amoled display deteriorate in time. it will deteriorate by almost 10% within 1 year.
I compared my friend's 1 year old Note 2 to 1.5 year old my Xperia S, clearly shows the difference.
shem2409 said:
Seems like you don't underdstand the fact that Sony installs a shutter protector with Sony logo imprinted on their screens. It is not the screen that scratches but the protector.
Additionally Sony will not replace the shutter protector as they treat is as partbof the screen. It is much easier to apply an extra protector for 2 eur on top and change it when you need. You can remove the shutter protector (you will loose sony logo on the front) and have just glass which will be much more scratch resistant.
The back has also got an antiglare layer on glass so it is the one that shows scratches.
Being an Xperia Z owner I would highly advise using a screen protector but it is up to you. I have found that the protector does not impair phone functionality in any way and if you have difficulty with application just buy a few until you get it right or get one applied in a phone shop.
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TS, you should Read this post by shem2409. ALL sony xperia handsets came with the shatterproof sheet. It is safer for human when the shatter proof sheet is applied. When glass breaks or shatters, there will be lots and lots of small tiny shards coming off. The shatter proof sheet is to hold the shards together so that you won't hurt yourself.
Just apply a good quality screen protector and you will be fine. Or you can go to a shop,buy screen protector from them and they would apply for you. They have experience on apply screen protector and most of the time, they applied it perfectly for me.
The screen is ok on the Z1. Screen protector will protect it further. Viewing angles are fine on the Z1.
The only valid point is camera quality. At present the S4 which has had 6 months to be optimised takes better quality shots. But it doesnt have the 800 chip that can do more camera tricks like the Z1. Also the S4 has 9gb free internal. The Z1 11.7gb approx.
veletron said:
As the title says!
Ordered a Z1 a wee while ago, and now, after having read some reviews am considering cancelling it - Are the reviews a load of cobblers, what do folks think.
Negatives (from reviews)
- Poor battery life
- Camera that fails to live up to expectations, over zealous post processing leading to poor, over compressed images
- Scratches very easily - does it even have Corning Gorilla Glass front/back?
- Nasty Sony UI overlay (not to bothered about this, I'll choose my own shell)
- Massive bezel compared to competition
- Bezel raised at edges meaning front surface not flat, difficult to clean + a dust magnet
- Rear glass is a finderprint magnet
- Screen issues - not good in bright sunshine (worse than AMOLED), viewing angles not great (image washed out at an angle)
Positives (from reviews):
- Good build quality
- Waterproof
- dedicated camera button
- performs well in low light
- Bundled with geeky smartwatch
- powerful processor
- Takes a micro SD
- Speaker seems half decent
If I do cancel then a Galaxy S4 is the other option. Ruled out LG G2 due to no micro SD card slot, ruled out HTC One for no SD card slot, and low megapixel camera (I like to have an image that's big enough for cropping).
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Nigel
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I currently have the S4 and I am in love with it. The only flaw to me is I wish the speaker was on the bottom so it wouldn't matter how I put the phone down and also the camera. The camera is good but not for low-light photography. I am upgrading to the Z1. Also, I would prefer people to save their comments on the Z1's camera until they actually see it in person. In an honest sense, I hardly see anything wrong with the Z1 besides the large bezel at the bottom (most likely due to the hardware design) and the lack of OIS.
Keep that in mind, my octa have only 8.79 gb for use and I stop more than 50 apps with titanium backup. Is really good device but touchwiz is bad, i give a try with Sony now.
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These phones are fingerprint magnets but as other OP's have stated, a back shield isn't noticeable at all. I always cover my phones with skins from Phantomskinz including my XZ. I found a glass oleophobic screen protector from Brando for my XZ and loved it. Am (im)patiently waiting for them to get one for the XZ1! Feels much better to the touch than the regular screen protectors.
gavinfabl said:
The screen is ok on the Z1. Screen protector will protect it further. Viewing angles are fine on the Z1.
The only valid point is camera quality. At present the S4 which has had 6 months to be optimised takes better quality shots. But it doesnt have the 800 chip that can do more camera tricks like the Z1. Also the S4 has 9gb free internal. The Z1 11.7gb approx.
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I totally disagree! The Z1 samples I've seen so far reflect its overall image quality to be much better in comparison to S4 or any other android smartphone so far. Have a look at the gsmarena Z1 camera samples (20 mp ones) & compare them to S4's, you'll know what I mean. I do agree that the image processing on Z1 could be better (which hopefully should only improve with retail firmware & further updates). But the Z1 sensor captures way too much detail compared to S4 to be called of inferior quality ! Low light imaging too seems a lot better.
On a side note, I noticed that the gsmarena Z1 review camera samples show blurring out of images ONLY on the right side (about 1/3 part), which might probably be due to dirty lens or defective unit.
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Well, I did cancel my order. I shall wait for some real user reviews of retail units before deciding whether to get one. I note that several UK vendors have had it listed as 'in stock' from today so those real user opinions are not far off.
Might just keep my Note One for anither 6 months and wait for the Z2!
Nigel
Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Strange. The Cruzerlite (which are thin TPU cases, cheap in my opinion) drop test stood up to NUMEROUS drops & the device survived without any sign of damage. Not a scratch or dent.
Is you device white or black? My old Nexus 10 had a defect in the black soft touch coating that looked like a dent, but it was more likely an issue in the molding or application process.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Pics?
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Mine is the white version, but the dent is on the top right above the camera, on the black portion, right where the side casing touches the glass. I would have a very hard time photographing this because of where it is on the phone/lighting etc.. ill try when I get home though.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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a picture speaks a thousand words
I have about 5 or so nicks on the sides where the glass and plastic edge meet on my naked white N5. I agree that the plastic used is pretty brittle but it's not noticeable unless you really look for it.
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Get a sufficient case otherwise you can't really complain...
I have one little mark or nick as well where the plastic case meets the glass on that tiny little lip. My 2 year old got a hold of my phone and dropped it on a metal external hard drive case the day I got it and it landed right on 90 degree edge of the case... I went temporarily insane. It is very small but kind of surprised me I guess. I dropped my galaxy S3 many times and never got more than the little hairline scratches you see in glossy plastic. That soft touch coating seems to have some give to it. It was my fault. My parents gave my kids a new ipad mini and I set my phone on top of it. I was in the other room and heard him say "new tablet". I knew at that moment the mistake I had made...
I have one of those really slim cases on the way which would have prevented it. I typically don't use cases and am usually not bothered by the small marks I get on my phones but because some of those ultra thin cases are so slim now days I am going to try one out. Marking up a brand new phone is a little different than one that's a year+ old...
I too, also have a slight dent under the screen bezel part of mine. I have never dropped mine. Noticed it while it was on the table; that the reflection of the curtain was slightly bent at the one area, instead of being completely straight. Looked closely, and sure enough, there was a dent. It's not noticeable during day-to-day use, but you CAN notice it if looking at the reflection it shows.
The chrome bezel on the nexus 4 was susceptible to dents as well.
A few weeks ago the Nexus 5 flew out of my hands and landed on our concrete driveway. I feared the worst, but only a small dent in the upper left corner of the back panel and some scratching is all that happened. Lucky me, but I still hate it. Never had a single blemish on the Nexus 4.
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
bblzd said:
Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even in the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear. It's also not the screen itself but around it.
Dented
In my N5 have no dent and any scratch..
I love with my N5
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
Hobbesfed said:
There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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How is it even a defect? It's not even noticeable. No one would consider it a hardware bug except apparently you. Please explain how this effects the usage of your device in any way.
Poor quality control is EXACTLY how corners are cut. Manufacturing anything has margin of errors and the less margin of error you're willing to release the more phones are "thrown away" and the more money a released device will cost. I'd explain more but I'm sure Wikipedia or a Google search can better explain the finer points of manufacturing and quality control then I can.
You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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The actual cost break down might never be known. One thing is for sure though, LG is not willing to take any loss and whatever Google may have paid them "extra" they will still try and build the phone as cheap as they possibly can.
LG does not consider the Nexus as their flagship phone and will never treat it as such. It's a phone they were contracted to build and they will cut every corner they can. It's just business.
Hi all,
For those of you cares about scratches on your screen; you'd better put on a screen protector.
Upon noticing a tiny little one centimetre scratch on my phone I am outraged to find that it is no where to be found in the listed Official $am$ung Specifications for this phone, the Corning Gorilla Glass 4 announced on 20/Nov/2014, as a feature.
As a matter of fact that such protection mechanism is of right now industry wide standard practice. And as to why I find a tiny little scratch on my phone is evidence that $am$ung did not employ a proper screen protection on this massively expensive cellphone MADE CHEAPLY.
As a result those of you who might not be aware should check to see if your cellphone's screen contains little to many scratches. At least with my cellphone I find that the screen protection was inadequate due to this scratch. To bring all of you reading this to the attention of my phone being "Made in Vietnam"; could it be a reason why $am$ung did not include and mention Corning Gorilla Glass 4 in its specifications website. Such a product is a shame for $am$ung to announce the release to its consumers. The fact is now clear that $am$ung's Note4 is a overpriced product with incompetent design and after sales services, ie, firmware update delay and rumours in the media. Evidently, as seen on this forum there were clones and fakes of this cellphone which degrades the name and value of it to the lowest in comparison to other major companies and brands of smartphones and tablets.
Further more to this outrage upon less then three months (since 17/Oct/2014) of the release of Note 4, it has already made news the new Note 5 is coming soon.
This is almost like that $am$ung has admitted that this Note 4 is an utter failure and would kindly likely to stop production and support of any of its variants in favour of a New Market segment to the new Note 5. This is all nothing but to drain the global economy on a massive scale of smartphone markets and buyers. As a propaganda of the product from this company, it could have ruined its long built reputations.
Who would want a expensive smartphone without sufficient screen protection ? And now with such discovery, this leads to the conclusion that Note4 is nothing more than a piece of expensive rip-off cheaply built low quality product with a screen that is easily scratched.
Gorilla glass 4 is not a sapphire or diamond and it is scratched by sand for example. You can't blame Samsung for content of your pockets. If I could afford to have a few loose diamonds in my pockets, I wouldn't worry about little scratch.
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........What the heck did I just read?
Let's break things down, shall we?
- NO phone screen is scratch-proof! NONE! Any form of Gorilla Glass is scratch-resistant, but it's just that - resistant! That means scratches can still happen. I also can pretty much guarantee that any other phone you may have had without a screen protector would have small, micro-scratches. Deny it all you want, but as I stated originally, no phone display is scratch-proof.
- Regarding lack of firmware updates, obviously you've never owned a Samsung device (or most other non-Nexus device). Has HTC released Lollipop everywhere for the HTC One (M8)? No. LG G3? Only rolling out in select markets. Heck, even Moto hasn't updated all their Moto X (2014) devices yet, and those are about as close to stock Android as you can get! Part of the blame is on the manufacturer, part on the carriers. So if you think Samsung is alone here, think again!
- Regarding a "cheaply-made" device, it's built better than previous Samsung devices! Sure, an iPhone may seem better built, but it has its own share of problems ("bendgate" anyone?)
- With regards to talk of a Note 5, guess what? A new Note appears every year around October! Just like a new Nexus, a new iPhone, a new HTC One, etc. Any rumor now is incredibly early, and thus is almost pointless to speculate on.
In short, sounds like someone just wanting to rant and be a troll because they didn't bother protecting their expensive phone like they should have. You won't get much sympathy here, as there's really nobody else to blame but yourself. Not Samsung, you.
Corning have said themselves it uses Gorilla Glass 4.Its listed on their website .
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla/samsung/samsung-galaxy-note-4
As another poster said, Gorilla Glass isn't 100% scratch resistant, it gives protection but you can still get scratches on the screen.
Anyway, there's no way Corning would list the product as having GG4 if it didn't, that would be commercial suicide.
Also, why would it being made in Vietnam mean it would be of lesser quality?!
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All credibility was lost when you decided to type '$am$ung'.
If you're going to complain, at least be adult about it.
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I've have my Note 4 since launch with no screen protection and Not a since scratch.
darekz said:
Gorilla glass 4 is not a sapphire or diamond and it is scratched by sand for example. You can't blame Samsung for content of your pockets. If I could afford to have a few loose diamonds in my pockets, I wouldn't worry about little scratch.
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The fact is that you don't even know what kind of glass is implemented on this device.
Devhux said:
........What the heck did I just read?
Let's break things down, shall we?
- NO phone screen is scratch-proof! NONE! Any form of Gorilla Glass is scratch-resistant, but it's just that - resistant! That means scratches can still happen. I also can pretty much guarantee that any other phone you may have had without a screen protector would have small, micro-scratches. Deny it all you want, but as I stated originally, no phone display is scratch-proof.
- Regarding lack of firmware updates, obviously you've never owned a Samsung device (or most other non-Nexus device). Has HTC released Lollipop everywhere for the HTC One (M8)? No. LG G3? Only rolling out in select markets. Heck, even Moto hasn't updated all their Moto X (2014) devices yet, and those are about as close to stock Android as you can get! Part of the blame is on the manufacturer, part on the carriers. So if you think Samsung is alone here, think again!
- Regarding a "cheaply-made" device, it's built better than previous Samsung devices! Sure, an iPhone may seem better built, but it has its own share of problems ("bendgate" anyone?)
- With regards to talk of a Note 5, guess what? A new Note appears every year around October! Just like a new Nexus, a new iPhone, a new HTC One, etc. Any rumor now is incredibly early, and thus is almost pointless to speculate on.
In short, sounds like someone just wanting to rant and be a troll because they didn't bother protecting their expensive phone like they should have. You won't get much sympathy here, as there's really nobody else to blame but yourself. Not Samsung, you.
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The fact is that the device should be scratch proof as with many other devices I own previously. Like Asus TF700T, Samsung Galaxy S3, S4, and S5, iPad 3, 4, Air and Air 2. I don't have any problems with screen protection on these devices.
Despite any slow updates, I do not object that such important updates require multiple processes, however, when it comes to priority on servicing its customers none of its models updates should be in a serial manner but as a parallel. That's to say this process should be consistent not intermittent.
smdh
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Corning have said themselves it uses Gorilla Glass 4.Its listed on their website .
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla/samsung/samsung-galaxy-note-4
As another poster said, Gorilla Glass isn't 100% scratch resistant, it gives protection but you can still get scratches on the screen.
Anyway, there's no way Corning would list the product as having GG4 if it didn't, that would be commercial suicide.
Also, why would it being made in Vietnam mean it would be of lesser quality?!
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I am not satisfied with the screen protection compared with older products which I own previously and had no screen protections problems.
The fact is that generally if it is made with quality then I should not have seen a scratch on the screen.
And if it is made in Vietnam I am only speculating as to why they have chosen this route and produces a screen which is capable of being scratched easily.
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All credibility was lost when you decided to type '$am$ung'.
If you're going to complain, at least be adult about it.
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Tell me what's __wrong__ and immature (as you suggested) with $am$ung ?
This is the fact that a unhappy user does not like to type its name in the proper form.
ciscostud said:
I've have my Note 4 since launch with no screen protection and Not a since scratch.
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And how does this justify that Samsung did not list the type of screen protection on its specifications web page??
tauzins said:
smdh
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Tell me, do you put a screen protector on your phone or not?
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Tell me, do you put a screen protector on your phone or not?
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Oh yeah and don't tell me that you can not complain because Samsung did not officially list the type of screen protection on their specifications web page.
And if you do scratch your phone unconsciously, should you mind that Samsung did not want to provide a proper screen protection nor do they want to tell you exactly what is the form of screen protection they have implemented on Note 4. But, instead leave you to wonder what screen protection is on the phone and let's wander into third party websites which lists the device as with Corning Gorilla Glass 4.
The fact is that Samsung did not formally acknowledge that this device has Corning Gorilla Glass 4.
Mind you, if you do get a scratch on your screen, how would you feel about your new device being scratched and becoming ugly and do not look like new.
We're not your enemies here - take a breath. Clearly you're upset and feel wronged or deceived in some way.
Vote with your wallet and buy an alternate brand next time.
For what it's worth, I'm pleasantly surprised at how well-built my Note 4 is. It doesn't have a single scratch or scuff on the screen of any kind. I keep it in my pockets and leave it on surfaces without a thought. It's also survived three heavy hits onto solid tiled floors from about one metre without so much as a ding on the band or anywhere else. I don't have any case or screen protector either.
By contrast, my old 5s hit the same tiled floor from a lesser height and had two significant dents in the alu band and looked like the screen was about to submit at any moment.
This is not meant as a boast but rather to say my experience is different to yours.
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How is it Samsungs fault that you, by not fitting a screen protector, have scratched your phone?
I don't use screen protectors. If the screen gets scratched, it's my fault. Take some responsibility and stop blaming others.
andythilo said:
How is it Samsungs fault that you, by not fitting a screen protector, have scratched your phone?
I don't use screen protectors. If the screen gets scratched, it's my fault. Take some responsibility and stop blaming others.
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As everybody said, nothing is scratch resistant...just use a screen protector and that's it.
BTW i had mine for 2 months and no scratch or whatsoever
... And the important takeaway here is that no company has a scratch-proof screen. Just because you never noticed a scratch on a previous device does not mean it was scratch-proof. No company has ever made such a claim either, because they know they'd be sued pretty darn quick for false advertising.
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How is it Samsungs fault that you, by not fitting a screen protector, have scratched your phone?
I don't use screen protectors. If the screen gets scratched, it's my fault. Take some responsibility and stop blaming others.
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lol
I am not saying that, but they did not list it in the specs, how do you know what do you get?
Ashatar said:
As everybody said, nothing is scratch resistant...just use a screen protector and that's it.
BTW i had mine for 2 months and no scratch or whatsoever
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Totally defeats the purpose of Corning Gorilla Glass by using a screen protector.
Hi,
I read few threads about build quality of the Samsung Note 4 but mostly I fount speculations and opinions not supported with facts. I am mechanical engineer and I like to think that I know few thinks about processes that are being used in modern industry.
I would like to focus on metal finish which was a decision maker to upgrade from Note 3.
When I first received my new Note 4, first think I did was not turning it on, but inspecting quality of the new body. After few minutes I already knew that there will be problems. I wasn't mistaken...
Lets sort one think up, because there was a big discussion about it in previous threads. Note 4 is not made out of metal. Main body of the smartphone is made purely out of plastic. To better understand it, remove back cover and remove S-pen. This Grayish plastic you see everywhere is actually the main frame of the smartphone. Visible metal sides of the phone as well, are plastic. Metal finish is only metallic coating. There are few processes that allow to cover plastic with metal and most generally it is called metallization. You may ask - so what? Important that it is looking and feeling good... I would completely agree with you if not for the fact that coating is ridiculously thin. I am very careful with my Note 4, but I don't use any covers and additional protection for device. After only few months after using my smartphone I saw first negative signs such as flaking off black metallic paint where the USB receptacle is. Once it stars it gets only worse. later on you have to be even more careful for flaking will continue even when you scratch it lightly with the nail. I would like to point as well, that under this black metallic paint there is plastic. If you expected metal you will be disappointed. Actual silver chamfers are a little bit thicker - around 0,2+-0,05mm. I am not a fan of Iphone but I appreciate real metal body. It bothers me when I see price of the device. I would expect to see real premium device instead of constant covering up with better materials plastic "Samsung madness". Don't think than I am a Samsung hater, because its completely opposite. I didn't change brand since Samsung Galaxy S, and I had all smartphones from Note series.
After Note 3 I'm disappointed by note 4. At least N3 wasn't pretending anything. Not only from build quality newest note is not a good successor of good old note 3 but from software point of view as well but that is topic for other thread.
I covered only one aspect of poor quality of the phone. There are more but to reduce the length of the post I wont describe them. I will mention only at the end that if you are looking for robust made phone this is not what you should look for. I have a feeling that device is made like this to look like **** after warranty period ends.
Peace
Rbn
The Note 4 is metal, here is a metal test of the frame:
https://youtu.be/d-7Yw_XXviI
Go spew your nonsense somewhere else.
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The black sides of my Note 4 are fine, no flacking, the USB and area surrounding it are also still fine. I have had my Note 4 since launch (got it 2days early). Used it for 8months with no cover, only recently put a cover as I wanted it to fee thicker and more substantial in hand and to protect it as I do drop it a lot.
Is he touching on the metallic coated chamfer or the actual side of the phone?
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The Note 4 is metal, here is a metal test of the frame:
Go spew your nonsense somewhere else.
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The black sides of my Note 4 are fine, no flacking, the USB and area surrounding it are also still fine. I have had my Note 4 since launch (got it 2days early). Used it for 8months with no cover, only recently put a cover as I wanted it to fee thicker and more substantial in hand and to protect it as I do drop it a lot.
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Are you serious with this youtube clip, or it is a joke? I am not sure... He is touching 3cm apart of each other on metallic chamfer which I already said is metallic (if you would read carefully) thickens of the metal he check resistance of i approximately 0,2mm as I as well said before. if he would touch on left and right side there would be no conduction because chamfer are separated in exactly 4 individual points.
Your comment has no sens what so ever apart of some strange attitude.
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Is he touching on the metallic coated chamfer or the actual side of the phone?
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He touched both, 1st the chamfered side and then the side.
He did the video in response to another person who was claiming the Note 4 isn't metal, when in actual fact it is.
POLO_i780 said:
He touched both, 1st the chamfered side and then the side.
He did the video in response to another person who was claiming the Note 4 isn't metal, when in actual fact it is.
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I see words them self do not convince you so pictures will have to (self made).
Few words of commentary if you do not understand. picture ***23 show where the coating ends (probably for antenna connection reasons).
Picture ***43 shows that in fact there is a conductivity, therefore metallic surface (like on youtube video you posted)
On picture ***53 you can clearly see that there is infinite resistance = no metallic connection
If you still do not believe on the picture ***22 you can see that housing is in fact non conductive = non metallic
Stop your nonsense argument please.
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I see words them self do not convince you so pictures will have to (self made).
Few words of commentary if you do not understand. picture ***23 show where the coating ends (probably for antenna connection reasons).
Picture ***43 shows that in fact there is a conductivity, therefore metallic surface (like on youtube video you posted)
On picture ***53 you can clearly see that there is infinite resistance = no metallic connection
If you still do not believe on the picture ***22 you can see that housing is in fact non conductive = non metallic
Stop your nonsense argument please.
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All you have proved is that there are parts of the frame that are not metal e.g. the USB area, where the antennas are and may I add where the 3.5mm jack is, this is party to be expected as even with my iPad these areas in particular will have some sort of plastic within.
The frame is mostly metal. Its winter down here and the frame gets icy cold to the touch vs. the back cover plastic and front glass.
You haven't really made any point, the Note 4 at the end of the day is a well built premium phone, in my experience, Samsung have ensured the areas that shouldn't be metal aren't you can actually see them e.g. around USB port is a tiny bump, same with where the antennas are.
People are not satisfied with anything nowadays...
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People are not satisfied with anything nowadays...
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Indeed.
I can't quite believe you guys are fighting over a mostly plastic phone. I agree with the first poster and what he has posted makes sense. I've also taken my note 4 apart and you can clearly tell it is mostly plastic with the exception being the coated chamfer which is coated with metal then painted and polished, as well as the screws. Ignoring the logic board which contains many elements your left with the screen and glass covering. To be short the phone is mostly plastic and not mostly metal like the users are trying to argue.
Plastic is very inefficient at blocking radio signals, I'm happy.
If it was all metal, someone would say that it is very heavy and signal is poor. If it was glass, people would say it is fragile and a fingerprint magnet. I believe our phone is an ideal blend of premium and other features. I personally love the faux leather back, it is much more robust than a real leathet or gloss plastic.
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If it was all metal, someone would say that it is very heavy and signal is poor. If it was glass, people would say it is fragile and a fingerprint magnet. I believe our phone is an ideal blend of premium and other features. I personally love the faux leather back, it is much more robust than a real leathet or gloss plastic.
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Exactly. This phone is very well built and blend of materials very well thought-out.
The faux leather is brilliant, mine still looks as good as new since launch, while many LG G4 Leather Back owners already have wear and tear within weeks of owning the phone.
While I do think that this is very well designed phone, op is right in his claim that there's not a lot of metal for someone who expected at least outer frame to be aluminum. He is right that under black metallic Paint is only white plastic.
Actually it is amazing how well they have managed to fuse aluminum chamfer, and only that (this is best visible when taking pen out and looking at the cross section). The supposed antenna breaks, on top and bottom, are purely for decoration, and to fool the users into thinking that sections are solid metal and evocative of iPhone of yesteryear that had those cutouts for a reason.
Altogether, there's probably not much more than 5 grams of aluminum on the whole frame. If even that much?
Im just glad that the paint finish on this phone is much more durable than s4 and s5, where even sweat would cause peeling of the fake chrome coating,provided you don't drop phone (it is true that once metallic paints start peeling on certain section, the process accelerates.
All that said, I do agree with polo_i780 last post absolutely.
Note 4 ?
To the op, are you sure your note 4 is not a fake? I mean no disrespect just that mine has been dropped and such without a case, has lots of scratches all around and it doesn't flake as you say. I just tried scratching it with my nails and.... nothing.
If it does indeed have an insanely thin coating then no way would the frame get icy cold as the other poster said (mine does this).
My note 3 never felt like this. Also you're wrong the note 3 did pretend to be something. A leather notebook with the rear cover. But I actually preferred that cover instead of this one lol.
Either way no company is going to please everyone.
I kind of agree with the original poster. There's something "missing" in build quality on the N4, it just doesn't feel as premium as the metal flagships or even the S6. I think it's almost a half and half like Samsung were half way through redesigning their handsets the N4 is the result. I'm not saying it feels cheap or it isn't a nice design, I just don't think it feels like a full premium design.
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Disagree. This phone is designed very well. I don't care for metal.
The OP's analysis perfectly describes the very well known problem of the N4's "metal" sides getting very scratched up due solely to the use of certain cases. If you've just recently picked up an N4, search the forum for "scratched metal" and you'll see no shortage of threads where the issue is mentioned (my search for topics with those terms from the main page of the N4 forum yielded 84 results).
@Rubenqben if the edges have become annoyingly scratched, there's a DIY fix that also protects the edges from future damage involving metal polish. Very detailed instructions w/ pics can be found via search, IIRC there have been a few guides in the "General" subforum. I've done this to my device that's now about 7 months old and the edges are even shinier than they were before removing the plastic from the phone (it should be noted that using metal polish on the edges lightens the metal color a few "shades", likely dependent on the specific product that you use... not in a bad way IMO, I actually think that mine looks better with the "Blue Magic Metal Polish Cream" from Amazon).
Now should it be necessary to use potentially damaging chemicals on a $$$ phone so that the edges don't get scratched up by a protective case?
I'm curious what other build quality issues you've discovered that were alluded to in the OP? I've been happy with my N4 overall, but I've definitely encountered some issues that seem like they can only be traced back to hardware design flaws... I'm no engineer though so I'm interested in your other findings :good:
My note 4 is fine its metal and the paint doesnt chip so did you buy a knock off phone.
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the op's analysis perfectly describes the very well known problem of the n4's "metal" sides getting very scratched up due solely to the use of certain cases. If you've just recently picked up an n4, search the forum for "scratched metal" and you'll see no shortage of threads where the issue is mentioned (my search for topics with those terms from the main page of the n4 forum yielded 84 results).
@rubenqben if the edges have become annoyingly scratched, there's a diy fix that also protects the edges from future damage involving metal polish. Very detailed instructions w/ pics can be found via search, iirc there have been a few guides in the "general" subforum.
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I couldn't agree more. I had a Note 3 and with the exact care and usage it was perfectly fine whereas my Note 4 has scratches on the metal sides! Yes the metal sides looks better but they also loves to be scratched, without even trying to, just by changing covers and cases! Even the Samsung Protective cover wasn't able to prevent the scratches! With S6 Samsung has hardened/improved the metal so hopefully Note 5 will not have any metal issues like Note 4. Btw, can you share the exact guide you tested and confirmed it works? Thank you!