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Hello all,
According to my depth researches, I'v summed up bits into a package:
- Atrix MB860 does have Wolfson WM9803L DAC chip. (1-?) (Even though all Tegra 2 AP20H should have the same SoC, but after a lot of questions, AP20H {Ventana} stands out for handheld performance (CPU, GPU), power only) Update: Wrong!
- The Asus Transformer uses Tegra 2 T20 , Wolfson WM9803L chip. Does have Voodoo sound support. Based on V1 voodoo drivers.
- I'v got into the same confusion about the 'L' in 'WMxxxxX'; The DAC is based on 2 revisions, both ends with L. Useless
- They both use same SoC implementation, very similiar drivers, nearly same headers. (Based on my own research.)
- Supercurio did not support the Atrix 4G, due its locked bootloader based on the V1 driver date of WM8903L. (So, he might not look back, Wolfson's WM1811 on the road) Update: Atrix 4G = Optimus 2x/Galaxy R
I know I might seem like asking questions, but it should also be considered as a dump project based on both devices. Plus, opening opportunities on other Tegra 2 hard/soft-ware porting.
I don't agree with the idea ignoring 1+ yr old phones with such capabilities...
I consider it just like the fame of the Gi9000, <<<Voodoo = major plus.
P.S. : Supercurio once stated that, Atrix 4G has a diff implementation... Though, after chatting over the IRC, he stated that he do not touch locked bootloader based phones. Thats totally different story. Diff implementation means indirect hardware access, using NVRAM i2c communication (registers)
Big thanks for supercurio, making our phones more valuable. Not anymore... -__-
Thank you all
I will appreciate any help/comment/feedback/correction/response.
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Thats Bla bla bla above...
Conclusion: Voodoo sound is communicating with #? low level registers with the DAC. Same as what ALSA mixer do when modifying STdac (ICS leak). Unfortunately, Atrix uses OSS on GB, or barebone ALSA thought thats not a problem.
Project STATUS:
Found the right DAC, its WM8993!! Developers/Anyone try Optimus 2x Voodoo sound driver using the patch, patch it to the kernel (WIP)... Loading Voodoo Sound Plus modules didn't work :/
Alternative to Voodoo app coming soon for Atrix/Optimus2x/GalaxyR Tegra 2 Ventana
Workaround for ICS Leak kernel and Kernel 3.x (that includes tiny-ALSA), install AlsaMixer from Play, modify STDac Only While listening to music (be sure not to leave the head/earphones on) to 15. Now you can drive 300 ohms headphones (Though its still limited, shows 10db but not exact) Note: When you remove the earphones or stop music for 5 secs, settings will revert.
List of the confusing/wrong info about Tegra 2 DAC links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1124198 Those guyz heard from Androud forums lol
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/moto...-sound-quality That guy heard from xda! ^
http://androidforums.com/motorola-at...ola-atrix.html Those are the guilty ones (kidding ), they referred to Tegra 250, thats Harmony used in Tablets not Vantanna 250. :silly:
Having Voodoo sound on the Atrix would be great! I had a Samsung Vibrant before my Atrix, and Voodoo sound was pretty nice! I really like how it sounded and all the settings that it had.
One that i miss for sure is the ability to make the sound mono. I haven't found how to do it on my Atrix yet.
Keep the good work dude! Hope to see it done soon! If it can be done.
I'll be glad to see voodoo sound capabilities on my atrix.Wish you can port this without any problem.
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WOOOOOO!! YESSSS!! FINALLY!! I know its not ready, but thank you for looking into it!
djluis48 said:
Having Voodoo sound on the Atrix would be great! I had a Samsung Vibrant before my Atrix, and Voodoo sound was pretty nice! I really like how it sounded and all the settings that it had.
One that i miss for sure is the ability to make the sound mono. I haven't found how to do it on my Atrix yet.
Keep the good work dude! Hope to see it done soon! If it can be done.
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Mono can be done as a software wise.
Use Poweramp, it has the mono DSP feature.
Good luck.
As stated guys, still haven't got my Atrix, and wish me a luck getting it .91 bootloader :/
bets of luck!! and it will be one hellova feat if u can pull this off ... i have used sgs, nexus s and sgs2 with voodoo ( yes i have purchasrd it from market )... and it makes them a formidable music player rival... i'd really really love to see it for ATRIX also
My friend had this on his Samsung Galaxy Tab and I have been jealous of him ever since lol. I was hoping someone would port it but had given up. I'm glad to see someone is on the case!
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Guys, I need your help.
Test this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zausan.zdevicetest&hl=en
Or at Play store: Z-DeviceTest
I wan't an info about the DAC. Since i still don't have my Atrix 4G.
Just curious about the WM8903, this info was based on some rumors, a confirmation surely helps, since most tegra 2 ap20h are based on WM8990
EDIT: My Atrix is comming after 2 days...
what to check with that app ?
plus i found some things that u might want to read..( or already read it )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124198
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/motorola-atrix-sound-quality
http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/265304-wolfson-audio-hub-hd-motorola-atrix.html
I have downloaded that app but i can't find anything about the DAC...
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what to check with that app ?
plus i found some things that u might want to read..( or already read it )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124198
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/motorola-atrix-sound-quality
http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/265304-wolfson-audio-hub-hd-motorola-atrix.html
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Yes I already read it
However, the last link was a guess before the Atrix release i guess, though, what they said is about the Tegra 250 T20 not the A20HP...
All T20 has the WM8903L, while all the A20HP has the WM8990. Thats the confusing part, however, when i get the Atrix, Ill be analyzing the implementation they are using... Might be indirect driver, but i dont think so (Inside a SoC=Direct)
Confusing topic also: http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/shenit-com/18404-tegra-t250-vs-tegra-t20-same-thing.html
What also worries me about the Moto X2. It does have Tegra 2 Ventana. No voodoo sound support, or at least DAC lookout. I don't think there is any A20HP with WM8903 (Does moto play with the sound layer? It should be strict since its a SoC)
I'm not sure between an implementation fault, or lack of support (VoodooSound author). (Though the GS is old)...
Dude, tell me if there is any way i can help you. This is something i really want to help with this project.
Now this is the way for the diff. between T20/T2 ...
http://www.toradex.com/Products/Colibri/Modules/Colibri-T20
And guys, this thread is leaning towards dumping, which clarification can be simplified by yes or no (nothing new), due to poor documentation etc...
And please, can anyone test this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zausan.zdevicetest&hl=en
It only shows the DAC name on SoC based systems...
Worked with Galaxy R. Result: WM8990 ...
Can't wait to get the Atrix. I'm eager about it...
Plus, I won't lean to the software part, only hardware.
In case it needs to be re-developed, I will work only on the driver. (More to C orientation / kernel...)
Edit: okay, thanks Night Walker! ! For testing the app
Okay guys,
Anybody owns one of these devices except the Atrix:
T2-A20HP:LG Optimus 2X, Motorola Atrix 4G, Motorola Droid X2, Motorola Photon, Samsung Galaxy R, Samsung Captivate Glide
Other: i9023, i9000, Galaxy Tab.
If yes, try the same app above, seems the only app that shows the chip info through alsa...
O2X uses different implementation, thats why supercurio gave a deep shot supporting it, even though, it only supports bits of the original voodoo capabilities...
Can't wait for the new Kaudio driver, might work with the Atrix with no SoC mods.
Just another sound driver made specifically for voodoo. (LG uses its own implementation to the DAC, its driver)
Here is a screen shot of the sound section of that app on my atrix running paranoid android 1.9.5
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Here is a screen shot of the sound section of that app on my atrix running paranoid android 1.9.5
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Same as yours on neutrino 2.8.
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K, the Atrix 4G has a different driver...
Tpr0,
I'm unfortunately not a dev, but is there any way I can help with this project?
Guys, sorry for the delay, got ill. And yes, I know your intentions towards support...
I still haven't got my hands 'tight' on the project, got distracted by setting it up... (the Atrix kernel compilation errors)
Anyways, thanks guys, it certainly needs a (low level dev. me) I'm not a high-level programmer, more into hardware level (intermediate) But this project doesn't seem hard to accomplish, but poor documentation does it... ( IT is based on low level programming )
Why do they have a CM10 stable and we dont?
Why is their subforum that nice?
And most importantly what are the differences between AT&T Note and N7000?
Illidan Pornrage said:
Why do they have a CM10 stable and we dont?
Why is their subforum that nice?
And most importantly what are the differences between AT&T Note and N7000?
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Stable cm10 doesn't make it awesomer.. It has a crappie chipset (qualcom) snapdragon s3 adreno 220 gpu Wich its way slower than N7000 exynos 4 and Mali gpu
Tapatalking on my n7000
But still..
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Illidan Pornrage said:
Why do they have a CM10 stable and we dont?
Why is their subforum that nice?
And most importantly what are the differences between AT&T Note and N7000?
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Because our community always wants latest, stability comes second here
Maybe because there are only Americans so they get along? Who knows. Our community isn't bad either, you just gotta keep out of the way of the dragons and the rest are relatively harmless. Not asking stupid questions helps too...
Msdek already told that
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Hi guys
I'm currently a owner if an S3 and slightly peed off with the lack of sources, battery life on AOSP and etc.... So is it worth swapping my non dev friendly S3 for the dev friendly Xperia Z?
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elspanish88 said:
Hi guys
I'm currently a owner if an S3 and slightly peed off with the lack of sources, battery life on AOSP and etc.... So is it worth swapping my non dev friendly S3 for the dev friendly Xperia Z?
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Just went from S3 LTE to an Xperia Z and couldn't be happier!
WHAT....... are you crazy. S3 has some of the best development. I don't know what ur talking bout. And if u like the xperia try jovy23's xtremeperia ROM. Its flawless and is as close to xperia as u can get on an S3. Also good on battery.
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Its the i9300 just to be clear... To be fair there is a lot if development but I've tried all the ROMs on the s3 stock and AOSP and stock is well terrible and AOSP isn't great for battery life and still has other issues due to Samsung being tight with their sources
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Cant speak for international S3 but from US S3 to XZ is not a big upgrade if any...
See this is the thing the US S3 is better (development wise) than the international.
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See this is the thing the US S3 is better (development wise) than the international.
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if you looking for developement the XZ is not the place to go...there is like 5 stock rom, 1 kernel, and 5-6 AOSP, AOKP CM10.1 rom...
Get the Xperia Z!
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Upgraded from an S3 to the XZ, only because I managed to drop the S3 and cracked its front glass.
Otherwise, I'd still be happy to stay with the S3.
User experience wise, it's not much different with the XZ, the S3 was fast and quick as well. The increased ppi, you can tell if you look for it..but in reality, it doesn't affect your overall experience very much at all.
The Xperia Z is supposed to be getting stock Android and will be sold in the Google Play Store. That I presume will lead to better development of this phone. :good:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-edition-sony-xperia-z-coming-soon
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The Xperia Z is supposed to be getting stock Android and will be sold in the Google Play Store. That I presume will lead to better development of this phone. :good:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-edition-sony-xperia-z-coming-soon
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anyone pay for that will be a fool, i'm sure sony will charge ridiculous price for it...the Dev can copy the system and post it on here.
That's pretty much what I meant. Our phone will benefit from this...if it happens.
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if you looking for developement the XZ is not the place to go...there is like 5 stock rom, 1 kernel, and 5-6 AOSP, AOKP CM10.1 rom...
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As long as there is stable AOSP I am a happy chappy, and this is something that just isn't available for the Galaxy S3, neither I9300 nor I9305, and it literally never will be either. Mark my words. S4? Sure. S3? No. Don't buy an S3 if you are interested in ROM development... unless you are talking about ROM cooking I guess, but that isn't really "development".
Also there are like 2 usable custom kernels for I9300/I9305, neither of which run on AOSP.
While we're on the subject, you'll notice -if you look- that the actual developers that own an Exynos-based S3 all seriously hate it and have vowed not to buy any more pure-Samsung devices because of it. Speak to codeworkx on IRC about it if you're interested in hearing more about why the S3 sucks. Suffice to say that I am certainly not purchasing any more Samsung products without first seeing some sources for the device.
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As long as there is stable AOSP I am a happy chappy, and this is something that just isn't available for the Galaxy S3, neither I9300 nor I9305, and it literally never will be either. Mark my words. S4? Sure. S3? No. Don't buy an S3 if you are interested in ROM development... unless you are talking about ROM cooking I guess, but that isn't really "development".
Also there are like 2 usable custom kernels for I9300/I9305, neither of which run on AOSP.
While we're on the subject, you'll notice -if you look- that the actual developers that own an Exynos-based S3 all seriously hate it and have vowed not to buy any more pure-Samsung devices because of it. Speak to codeworkx on IRC about it if you're interested in hearing more about why the S3 sucks. Suffice to say that I am certainly not purchasing any more Samsung products without first seeing some sources for the device.
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Agree with you. Owner of a exynos s3 and the major problem is they lie to costumers telling that s3 will be upgraded and are delaying this not to damage s4 sales. S3 is a unfinished phone. Samsung never get this beast to fully working. Lags overall do bad memory management. Even s2 sometimes works better. And if you have the chanxe buy instead a n4.
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I'd love the N4 and I completely understand why the S3 sucks due to sources not being released properly, I've already spoke to codeworx and his answer was "every Sony runs AOSP better"
So I'm going for it!! Good bye S3 and hello XZ
Thanks for your input guys!
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elspanish88 said:
I'd love the N4 and I completely understand why the S3 sucks due to sources not being released properly, I've already spoke to codeworx and his answer was "every Sony runs AOSP better"
So I'm going for it!! Good bye S3 and hello XZ
Thanks for your input guys!
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No worries mate, and welcome to the family! :good:
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As long as there is stable AOSP I am a happy chappy, and this is something that just isn't available for the Galaxy S3, neither I9300 nor I9305, and it literally never will be either. Mark my words. S4? Sure. S3? No. Don't buy an S3 if you are interested in ROM development... unless you are talking about ROM cooking I guess, but that isn't really "development".
Also there are like 2 usable custom kernels for I9300/I9305, neither of which run on AOSP.
While we're on the subject, you'll notice -if you look- that the actual developers that own an Exynos-based S3 all seriously hate it and have vowed not to buy any more pure-Samsung devices because of it. Speak to codeworkx on IRC about it if you're interested in hearing more about why the S3 sucks. Suffice to say that I am certainly not purchasing any more Samsung products without first seeing some sources for the device.
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S3 international version may suck but U.S version is hard to beat...its what reviewer classify as an Iphone De-throner... and I was using AOKP on my S3...I still missed my S3. My main developer that I like are Faux and Task 650, any other Developer I am grateful for their work but I wont choose them over the two i have. Simply put they are the best at what they do and they are currently rocking Samsung and Nexus device.
THe only reason I am not using AOKP or CM10.1 on this device because A2DP sounds sucks (little bass or detail in sound, it sound like there is too much mid or treble)...I had to switch back to stock rom, not everything on CM10.1 here is fixed, but I imagine it would be soon, hopefully. again I would not advise anyone to buy this phone again, I gave it a try and I dint like it, never again. I remember using the Sony K850i and that was awesome quality stuff from Sony, I missed that phone too.
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S3 international version may suck but U.S version is hard to beat...its what reviewer classify as an Iphone De-throner... and I was using AOKP on my S3...I still missed my S3. My main developer that I like are Faux and Task 650, any other Developer I am grateful for their work but I wont choose them over the two i have. Simply put they are the best at what they do and they are currently rocking Samsung and Nexus device.
THe only reason I am not using AOKP or CM10.1 on this device because A2DP sounds sucks (little bass or detail in sound, it sound like there is too much mid or treble)...I had to switch back to stock rom, not everything on CM10.1 here is fixed, but I imagine it would be soon, hopefully. again I would not advise anyone to buy this phone again, I gave it a try and I dint like it, never again. I remember using the Sony K850i and that was awesome quality stuff from Sony, I missed that phone too.
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Well, we were specifically discussing the international version so I don't really see how a comparison to the US version (which is a completely different device) is useful.
Also K850i was a SonyEricsson device! (very important because Ericsson <3)
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S3 international version may suck but U.S version is hard to beat...its what reviewer classify as an Iphone De-throner... and I was using AOKP on my S3...I still missed my S3. My main developer that I like are Faux and Task 650, any other Developer I am grateful for their work but I wont choose them over the two i have. Simply put they are the best at what they do and they are currently rocking Samsung and Nexus device.
THe only reason I am not using AOKP or CM10.1 on this device because A2DP sounds sucks (little bass or detail in sound, it sound like there is too much mid or treble)...I had to switch back to stock rom, not everything on CM10.1 here is fixed, but I imagine it would be soon, hopefully. again I would not advise anyone to buy this phone again, I gave it a try and I dint like it, never again. I remember using the Sony K850i and that was awesome quality stuff from Sony, I missed that phone too.
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US galaxy s3 is dual core. It never get further oficial 4.2.2. And its slower then exynos.
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testadeferro said:
US galaxy s3 is dual core. It never get further oficial 4.2.2. And its slower then exynos.
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Krait dual-core, big difference. And yes, it is roughly on par with Exynos S3.
After many test, I can not use the Fiio E18 DAC with my Galaxy S.
On the GS are installed Cyanogenmod 10.2 (Android 4.3) and kernel Sempahore 3.3.0.
I'm looking for this answer: my GS can or not recognize and work with the external Audio device or not?
Is a hardware limitation or software?
It seems that the Semaphore comes with usb driver, but it seems is not enough.
Someone is able to help me?
Can a newer 4.4 rom give me better chance?
In most of time USB DAC are not recognized by android smartphones even with JB or output usb driver. Besides galaxy s can't power this up even with battery in dac. Strange problem, JB was supposed to make use of this devices, but it didn't
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In most of time USB DAC are not recognized by android smartphones even with JB or output usb driver. Besides galaxy s can't power this up even with battery in dac. Strange problem, JB was supposed to make use of this devices, but it didn't
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Many thanks for the answer!
When you write:
Besides galaxy s can't power this up even with battery in dac.
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What does it mean? That the DAC must be power by the phone in order to be recognized?
Another question.
The new Android KK 4.4 is better for audio support or is the same as JB?
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Many thanks for the answer!
When you write:
What does it mean? That the DAC must be power by the phone in order to be recognized?
Another question.
The new Android KK 4.4 is better for audio support or is the same as JB?
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I'm afraid i can't answer this question, because i just don't know. The DAC itself has a battery built in it, but somehow the electric energy doesn't flow through these two devices Sorry for my lack of knowledge, i hope you will somehow walk around this problem
As far as I know KitKat 4.4 brings the audio tunneling feature. It means Android make use of built in DAC(e.g. Wolfson WM 8994), but sadly , now it's working only on Nexus 5.
After searching and reading I found the answer.
I think that is no way to make my E18 DAC work with the Galaxy S.
The problem is that the USB OTG is not enough: the kernel missing USB isochronous transfer feature and is not easy for a third-party developer or modder to modify a USB host driver because he doesn't have all the information on the implemented USB host controller, a hardware component.
If someone needs more information, the thread to read is on head-fi (but you can start from this thread where you find list of android device that can work with external DAC).
Hi
Maybe I shouldn't ask the same question again under a different heading. I'mean just trying to bring the question to somebody's attention.
Can anyone tell me what kind of a sound chip is installed in my Samsung Galaxy S2 9.7? Is it a Wolfson chip?
Thanks
Garrett