Article (theverge): Why the Nexus 4 does not have LTE or CDMA - Nexus 4 General

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte
Pretty good article explaining why lte on a Nexus 4 doesn't make any sense for any potential whiners out there
Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense.
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Also it explains it pretty well why they didn't make the same mistake by going CDMA like they did on the Galaxy Nexus.
And there's precious little to suggest working with carriers is even in Google's best interests, or in the best interests of Nexus customers. The Galaxy Nexus was announced last year with a promised LTE version on Verizon, but the carrier held back releasing the phone for months to promote its own Droid RAZR instead. Google eventually grew tired of waiting and sent unlocked HSPA+ devices to reviewers. And software updates for Nexus phones sold through carriers have been problematic as well: it took the Verizon three full months to disseminate the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update to its Galaxy Nexus, slightly longer than Sprint.
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All accurate, a good summary.
With its pricing of the Nexus 4 and lack of LTE, Google is quite clearly giving US carriers the finger. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if a CDMA/LTE version appeared for Verizon and Sprint, but LTE doesn't really matter that much if you get decent 3G/3.5G/HSPA+ whatever you want to call it (i.e., not Verizon or Sprint 3G).
Really, anything over a few Mbps is enough for me...but I know other people use their phones differently.

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Sprint to get IPhone 5

Check it out:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/23/sprint-to-offer-iphone-5-in-october/
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pretty neat stuff
Well that network is really gonna be bogged down now.
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Well that network is really gonna be bogged down now.
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Not with all of the network upgrades Sprint is going through.
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My wife wants one...(gave the htc evo a shot but kept her blackberry in the end).
the question is...how much more will sprint hike its monthly prices for an iphone?
Sweet! Exactly what Apple needs. The more choices for the iPhone, the better. Sprint doesn't have a great many high-end phones but the iPhone should compensate for that.
BTW for apple lovers - IPhone 5 its supposed to support both systems CDMA and GSM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238634/iphone_5_expected_to_have_dualmode_capabilities.html
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BTW for apple lovers - IPhone 5 its supposed to support both systems CDMA and GSM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238634/iphone_5_expected_to_have_dualmode_capabilities.html
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It would probably be firmware dependent for whichever carrier it comes from. I can't see carriers going along with a phone that can be easily used on another network.
Hmmm who knows, maybe apple will make one iphone 5 that complies with GSM and CDMA bands for all the networks...somehow lock up the extra bands and use them for international roaming.
Wasn't Sprint supposedly going to announce some sort of great news this fall? I hope this wasn't their great news. I was hoping for a vast network upgrade. Iphone5 is the last thing that Sprint needs on their network. Very few have access to Sprints small 4G wimax network and the Iphone5 most likely won't be Wimax capable. Judging by the speed at which Sprint has rolled out their 4G, I doubt that their 3G network will be capable of handling the influx of Iphone fanboys. Sorry to be so negative, but I went through this same crap with AT&T back when they got the first Iphone and the network went to junk overnight.
I hope Sprint proves me wrong since I recently renewed my contract. Won't have to wait long to find out!
Jason
techspec06 said:
Wasn't Sprint supposedly going to announce some sort of great news this fall? I hope this wasn't their great news. I was hoping for a vast network upgrade. Iphone5 is the last thing that Sprint needs on their network. Very few have access to Sprints small 4G wimax network and the Iphone5 most likely won't be Wimax capable. Judging by the speed at which Sprint has rolled out their 4G, I doubt that their 3G network will be capable of handling the influx of Iphone fanboys. Sorry to be so negative, but I went through this same crap with AT&T back when they got the first Iphone and the network went to junk overnight.
I hope Sprint proves me wrong since I recently renewed my contract. Won't have to wait long to find out!
Jason
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I agree!!!! They need to get these multimode towers and rev b and rolled out ASAP and move voice to old iden frequency if they expect to take on the iphone! cuz it wont be only current sprint customers looking to upgrade but undoubtedly some iphoners from at&t and maybe even verizon will jump ship to sprint for various reasons. Id estimate at least 10,000 iphones on sprint by the end of the year...
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I agree!!!! They need to get these multimode towers and rev b and rolled out ASAP and move voice to old iden frequency if they expect to take on the iphone! cuz it wont be only current sprint customers looking to upgrade but undoubtedly some iphoners from at&t and maybe even verizon will jump ship to sprint for various reasons. Id estimate at least 10,000 iphones on sprint by the end of the year...
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10,000 eh? LOL. Think in millions my friend.
And to the Guy who contemplated that they would charge more for iPhone than android.. they won't.
Personally I wouldn't want an iPhone over an android. Also I wouldn't want sprint over T-Mobile because of their high prices without reasoning.
Also, I'm pretty sure it has been confirmed that all carriers get the same hardware because it has cdma and GSM hardware, and each carrier will have their phones locked to their carrier. You will be able to buy unlocked phones(as you can any phone) and a carrier will of course be happy to set you up on their service. I don't think there is a valid reason this wouldn't be the case.
Apple made the move to cdma /GSM devices to avoid hardware fragmentation, that way ios works the same on all current devices, making it easier to upgrade ios and build apps for.
The single thing that makes ALL apple products outperform most competitors is that all of their devices only make up a few dozen hardware profiles, of which they support the 2-3 most recent. This is why ios4 only works on iphone3g and more recent, lion only works on more recent MacBook/airs/etc hardware.
Much easier to support a handful of hardware configurations(apple model) than hundreds/thousands of Chipset/hardware combinations(all PC's or androids). Apple realizes that limiting hardware combinations AND functionality will provide a more stable/smooth experience, be easier to keep updated, though less innovative(not allowing basic functions like saving and managing file system) and competitive. Hence why you kind of have to be in the apple cult or have a REAL use for their devices to desire it over a PC or android platform.
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10,000 eh? LOL. Think in millions my friend.
And to the Guy who contemplated that they would charge more for iPhone than android.. they won't.
Personally I wouldn't want an iPhone over an android. Also I wouldn't want sprint over T-Mobile because of their high prices without reasoning.
Also, I'm pretty sure it has been confirmed that all carriers get the same hardware because it has cdma and GSM hardware, and each carrier will have their phones locked to their carrier. You will be able to buy unlocked phones(as you can any phone) and a carrier will of course be happy to set you up on their service. I don't think there is a valid reason this wouldn't be the case.
Apple made the move to cdma /GSM devices to avoid hardware fragmentation, that way ios works the same on all current devices, making it easier to upgrade ios and build apps for.
The single thing that makes ALL apple products outperform most competitors is that all of their devices only make up a few dozen hardware profiles, of which they support the 2-3 most recent. This is why ios4 only works on iphone3g and more recent, lion only works on more recent MacBook/airs/etc hardware.
Much easier to support a handful of hardware configurations(apple model) than hundreds/thousands of Chipset/hardware combinations(all PC's or androids). Apple realizes that limiting hardware combinations AND functionality will provide a more stable/smooth experience, be easier to keep updated, though less innovative(not allowing basic functions like saving and managing file system) and competitive. Hence why you kind of have to be in the apple cult or have a REAL use for their devices to desire it over a PC or android platform.
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Lol i was being conservative in the fact that some androiders might stick with it rather than jumping ship but yea millions in prolly a more accurate number... i wish it wasn't cuz that means even slower 3g speeds compared to now... hopefully Sprint will grab the bull by the horns with this series of network upgrades to accomodate this new fanbase.
I can understand not just the iPhone phobia ...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20096567-94/sprint-iphone-brings-its-share-of-problems/

Why I'm glad there isn't a CDMA variant

Alright so I've been looking around on various Android forums and people seem to be very upset that there is no CDMA variant of the Nexus 4 announced so far. Coming from the Sprint/Verizon Galaxy Nexus, I am glad that they're not bothering this time around because CDMA goes against what the Nexus brand stands for, openness.
These carriers are very self-contained. You can only purchase phones to use on their network from them. Want a unlocked phone? You're out of luck BUT you can purchase the phone from their website off contract or you can go and get one from eBay or Craigslist. Because of this, the carriers have manufacturers by the balls, especially when it comes to updating phones. Want to get an update? You'll have to wait until these carriers "inspect" the update to ensure that it is not "harmful to the network" and all that PR crap they go on and on about.
Anyways, CDMA would mean that Google/LG would have to make a 4G LTE variant since these carriers only sell 4G phones now and Google doesn't seem too happy about how the CDMA variants of the GNex turned out last time. The updates were untimely to say the absolute least and the battery life was horrendous. I'm sure that the guys at Google had one hell of a time disputing against the crapware that Verizon/Sprint wanted to put on their phones so they could get a quick buck from Blockbuster and whatever other useless advertisements and applications they put on there now days.
If you want a Nexus phone, jump over to another carrier. I'm finally going over to T-Mobile and I'm getting unlimited data/text and a hundred minutes (which won't be used because I use GrooVe for voice over data/WiFi) for $30 a month. The entire move is going to cost me less than $400 and I'm sure you all have phones that you could sell to get over here. It really is the better move and the HSPA+ is amazingly fast without the battery drain.
My only option for a carrier is Verizon or sprint. At&t and T-Mobile only have gprs where my grandparents live, and I need internet for work. I'm upset there isn't a CDMA variant.
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I'm pretty excited about making the move to GSM and prepaid service. Any smartphone I've ever had was either Sprint and now Verizon. I can't even get an hour and a half of on-screen time with my Verizon gnex. It'll constantly switch from 3g to LTE and most of the time get stuck in the middle, looking for signal and draining the battery, it's horrendous.
I'm glad that there isn't a CDMA variant because CDMA is dead-end technology, and anything that brings about its demise sooner is a good thing IMO. Whatever the original technical merits were that CDMA held over GSM have pretty much become nonexistent as I understand it, and you give up the huge advantage of being able to easily switch carriers without purchasing a new phone. Anyone who's spent time outside the US and in an open GSM phone system knows how nice it is to be able to switch carriers at will.
But also Google's rationale for not including LTE makes a lot more sense with no CDMA variant. As the OP mentioned, a CDMA variant would absolutely HAVE to have LTE. Verizon's EV-DO network is still Rev. A, right? That's disgustingly slow in today's day and age, and while it makes sense that the CDMA carriers would have skipped over later revisions of EV-DO and go straight to LTE, it also means they're in an "LTE or bust" situation right now. GSM networks have a much better upgrade path, and 42mbps HSPA+ is more than fast enough for just about anything you'd want to do on a phone.
Personally I'm happy with the decision, because as a GSM user I see no need to frantically jump on the LTE bandwagon. I'd much rather take better battery life and a lower phone cost than have a transmission standard that is overkill for the vast majority of phone applications forced down my throat.
You all don't remember that GSM Nexus devices always come out first. CDMA phones will most likely come out months later, and with higher storage to generate buzz. Google knows better than to shut out ~20 million subscribers.
I'm pretty confident they are offering such low priced unlocked phones to try and get as many people into their ecosystem as possible. Ignoring CDMA users is not consistent with that, so just like before, it'll likely be 1 to 5 months before we see 32gb CDMA phones later on.
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You all don't remember that GSM Nexus devices always come out first. CDMA phones will most likely come out months later, and with higher storage to generate buzz. Google knows better than to shut out ~20 million subscribers.
I'm pretty confident they are offering such low priced unlocked phones to try and get as many people into their ecosystem as possible. Ignoring CDMA users is not consistent with that, so just like before, it'll likely be 1 to 5 months before we see 32gb CDMA phones later on.
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While I get where you're coming from, I completely disagree. Of course, I'm with a GSM carrier (and always have been), so I couldn't care less if they come out with a CDMA Nexus 4. Then again, I'm one of those people that don't believe the Galaxy Nexus offered by Verizon and Sprint was an actual Nexus device. If a phone's updates are coming from a carrier and not straight from Google...that's not a true Nexus and, frankly, you get what you deserve for thinking it is (in general terms...I'm not talking about you specifically).
I think all the reasons listed earlier are correct. I think Google got a bad taste in their mouths from having the carriers (re: Verizon and Sprint) dictate to them what they were going to do instead of the other way around. I also agree that CDMA is a dying technology and I'm also all for anything that bring that about faster. Wireless companies in the US need to get their #[email protected]% together and agree on a standard. All this GSM/CDMA/LTE crap is just confusing to consumers (not to me, but to uneducated consumers).
I firmly believe, though, that if you want a Nexus phone you need to get with a GSM carrier. Period. If by some miracle Google does release a CDMA version of the Nexus 4 later, I'll still believe you don't have a "true" Nexus phone. Only when the carriers have their hands off the updates can you actually make me believe a CDMA Nexus is a "real" Nexus.
I've been looking at the pre paid services but I have two lines since I pay for my mothers phone.
With the 1000 minute family plans it ends up making more sense for me to go that route since I'd get 2 free galaxy S2's.. One for her and I'd sell the other + my Sprint Galaxy s2 on eBay for my N4...
Very excited about moving back to T-mob after being on Sprint with **** service in my area for almost a year.
Please use the rant thread here or post in one of the review threads.
General section is for news/tips/tricks/guides/etc, not really for everybody to create a new thread every time they have a thought on this and that.
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sprint HTC One unlocked for straight Talk (AT&T)

Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.
salsa88 said:
Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.
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It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.
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It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.
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Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.
salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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Metro's LTE band is in the 1700MHz (AWS) band which is not supported by the Sprint HTC One.
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undrgrndchemist said:
I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.
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Yes but only with slow CDMA 3G (which will be going away eventually anyway as part of the TMO merger).
Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?
salsa88 said:
Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?
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No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.
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It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.
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Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.
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No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.
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No offence but your statements betrays the facts, and misrepresents what I actually said.
Sprint already have towers in L.A. metro area. In fact L.A. has lte now...before the merger. Spirit has towers in Vegas, and is deploying lte there now... so there goes your theory?
Sprint is not new to these markets. They already have infrastructure here. The cost/benefit ratio in deploying in these markets makes much more business sense.
I know about IDEN. Notice my statement "tear it down without replacing it immediately"...my point was, they DO intend to replace it. An act they have committed to..Not contingent on a merger that may or may not happen. Sprint has been planning on doing this before the merger was even an option. A simple Google search would tell you this.
Not so sure why you act so all knowing. You're as oblivious to sprints plans as me or anyone else.
I apologize for betraying my unfamiliarity with both basic technology and economics.
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Further research shows that Sprint does not launch lte in markets until it's his a certain percentage of deployment (50ish). So larger markets take longer to deploy
So there you go.
Again, my apologies for betraying my unfamiliarity with both technology and basic economics.
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Goodbye T-Mobile and Sprint. Hello Softbank USA!

I figured I'd post this here
http://pocketnow.com/2014/06/07/softbank-usa
As John Legere, the future CEO of Softbank USA has said, Uncarrier is here to stay!
I hope this means that I get Tri-Band on my Nexus 5!
-A T-Mobile Customer.
I have no problem with this even though my Sero plan will probably be going away as long as Dan Hesse gets canned and John Legere takes control with the TMO way of doing business.
this sounds awesome
Not a big fan of the name. SoftBank USA sounds more of a bank name than a carrier name.
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Not a big fan of the name. SoftBank USA sounds more of a bank name than a carrier name.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftBank
SoftBank is a Japanese telecommunications company who owns Sprint and soon T-Mobile.
I hope they keep unlimited data.
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Hope they merge to a all GSM network, instead of a hodgepodge of all the different tech used by Sprint and T-Mo.
Wouldn't the logical and smart name for the company be SprinT-Mobile?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftBank
SoftBank is a Japanese telecommunications company who owns Sprint and soon T-Mobile.
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I'm aware of what soft bank is.. I was saying that I'm not the biggest fan of the name because it sounds like a bank more than a carrier name.
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Seriously, what does this mean for us N5 users? With the addition of Sprint Spark, the N5 can connect to literally EVERY band both companies have, 3G, HSPA+, T-Mo LTE, Sprint Band 25/26/41 LTE, etc...Will SoftBank issue new SIMs to utilize both networks? They might consolidate into GSM, but Sprint Spark is significantly more advanced then HSPA+/T-Mo LTE, and I think that they'd want to utilize that...Either way, should be interesting...
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Seriously, what does this mean for us N5 users? With the addition of Sprint Spark, the N5 can connect to literally EVERY band both companies have, 3G, HSPA+, T-Mo LTE, Sprint Band 25/26/41 LTE, etc...Will SoftBank issue new SIMs to utilize both networks? They might consolidate into GSM, but Sprint Spark is significantly more advanced then HSPA+/T-Mo LTE, and I think that they'd want to utilize that...Either way, should be interesting...
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T-Mobile also has 20x20 LTE which is pretty fast. They're most likely going to go to VoLTE route.
in the end i dont really see a down side to any of this. just really hope they dont do away with unlimited data.
May the Mobile Data Gods be with us!
If you don't see a downside to this, you have never been on Sprint (lucky you). The absolute worst network has been hemorrhaging customers for quite a while for a reason, me as one of them. I am glad to see the rumor mill is for T-Mobile CEO to take the lead job, but I see great potential for my wonderful T-Mobile to be harmed mightily. Lets hope for the best
StevieJ
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If you don't see a downside to this, you have never been on Sprint (lucky you). The absolute worst network has been hemorrhaging customers for quite a while for a reason, me as one of them. I am glad to see the rumor mill is for T-Mobile CEO to take the lead job, but I see great potential for my wonderful T-Mobile to be harmed mightily. Lets hope for the best
StevieJ
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Speak for yourself. T-Mobile has 2G coverage in my town. Sprint(which I'm on) has 3G, and in the city next to me, Sprint has blanketed LTE, while T-Mobile has spotty HSPA and barely any LTE. In the sticks, Sprint is almost always better than T-Mobile, hell AT&T has more deadspots around my area than Sprint...
I'll be ok with the merger, as long as its like T-mobile taking sprint over, and not the other way around. Get rid of all sprint higher ups, and keep t-mobiles, because obviously the current t-mobile is much more capable then sprint has ever been since the sprint/nextel merger.
And i better get to keep my $30 100 min, unlim text 5gig data plan.
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As long as they keep unlimited data and the UP phone upgrade program, I'm all for it.
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Hope they merge to a all GSM network, instead of a hodgepodge of all the different tech used by Sprint and T-Mo.
Wouldn't the logical and smart name for the company be SprinT-Mobile?
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The most likely course of action is that the networks will remain as is and the combined company will transition to all LTE and eventually shut off the CDMA/GSM/UMTS networks completely.
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Considering they will most likely have 800, PCS, AWS and the spark band; they could take one of those bands and use a third for voLTE.
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Speak for yourself. T-Mobile has 2G coverage in my town. Sprint(which I'm on) has 3G, and in the city next to me, Sprint has blanketed LTE, while T-Mobile has spotty HSPA and barely any LTE. In the sticks, Sprint is almost always better than T-Mobile, hell AT&T has more deadspots around my area than Sprint...
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Where I'm located (Houston Tx) T-Mobile sucks. I work w/ some guys who have great flagship devices and they have Tmo and are always getting dropped calls and data is spotty as all get out.
I'm in Biloxi Mississippi now and I have LTE about 70% of the time on Sprint. I have it 90% of the time in Houston and have for a while now. They have come a looooooooooong way. Guess it just depends on where you are located.
I hope the deal goes through. [emoji41]
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If this is seriously the final verdict of the merger...I have to say I'm terrified and excited all at the same time. Sprint is right next to Verizon with me..and I hate both of them, no opinion of AT&T though.
But I'm excited because as long as Legere is still CEO I don't think us original T-Mobile clients have to worry too much (been with T-Mobile since 1999)..and hopefully we end up on a grandfathered plan so we don't lose features or have an insane price hike... Because the most important thing to me on my plan is unlimited data.
Edit : this makes sense now and it goes along with Uncarrier 5.0... Legere wanted to increase revenue...so he got did away with 15% discounts with programs like Triple A (AAA) and made it so only government and military workers are the only ones capable of getting a discount)
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I take it that the 3T wont have CDMA support?

I've been watching OnePlus since the beginning and still no CDMA support. I'm stuck with an iPhone as my best bet coming from a Note 7 now.
I take it you're in the US since you're asking about CDMA support. Verizon has made it more or less impossible to bring "unapproved" devices to their network. As a result, no one really makes "unlocked CDMA" devices for the US market. Sprint, despite being much more open about it, gets caught in the wake of Verizon's policy.
Long story short: It's unlikely that we'll see a CDMA OnePlus in the near future. Bigger companies like Google and Apple can manage it but the return isn't great for a smaller company like 1+.
Yea, don't expect small company to support CDMA network. Even Google product have trouble dealing w/ Verizon.
See Jeff Jarvis rant on TWiT network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqT-F-7sEps
It's not the CDMA that's the problem. CDMA (1X, EVDO) in the US is going away Verizon and all 3 of the other major carriers have started the 2G/3G shutdown process. That being said Verizon wants to use band 13 for LTE, very few unlockable phones support band 13.

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