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Why Amazon Fire HD

My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens

dnargsiefil said:
My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
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Since the tablet is for a child the number one reason is kindle free time. It offers parental controls that no one else does. Google it and find out all the details but that would be the main attraction over the Nexus
Sent from my rooted Kindle Fire HD

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I don't think there's a need for yet another KFHD vs Nexus 7 thread. Try one of the existing ones below for a range of opinions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1880492
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911890
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1909334
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920426
Please join one of those discussions. If those don't work for you, the Nexus 7 forum has plenty more with the bias slanted the other way.

[Q] Have I bought the wrong one?

Hello all, just purchased a kindle fire hd 7 as I am after a cheap android (running)tablet mainly for work, so emails, web, diary etc. I was reading though the kindle fire section of xda and saw all the rom options as I want to run one of the jelly bean roms on a kindle. Then when I searched for kindle fire hd I realised that the two different kindles are very different! Can I run any jelly bean rom on my fire hd? I have been in the rom development section and there seems to only be one rom (CM10) and that is still in development but when I go to 'show us your home screen' thread there are loads of android 4.xxxx looking screens.
Can I put a JB rom on my fire HD? I'm not new to roms/rooting etc but am confused at the moment.

SensationAlex said:
Hello all, just purchased a kindle fire hd 7 as I am after a cheap android (running)tablet mainly for work, so emails, web, diary etc. I was reading though the kindle fire section of xda and saw all the rom options as I want to run one of the jelly bean roms on a kindle. Then when I searched for kindle fire hd I realised that the two different kindles are very different! Can I run any jelly bean rom on my fire hd? I have been in the rom development section and there seems to only be one rom (CM10) and that is still in development but when I go to 'show us your home screen' thread there are loads of android 4.xxxx looking screens.
Can I put a JB rom on my fire HD? I'm not new to roms/rooting etc but am confused at the moment.
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what you see are different launchers^^

Jelly Bean on the Kindle
SensationAlex said:
Hello all, just purchased a kindle fire hd 7 as I am after a cheap android (running)tablet mainly for work, so emails, web, diary etc. I was reading though the kindle fire section of xda and saw all the rom options as I want to run one of the jelly bean roms on a kindle. Then when I searched for kindle fire hd I realised that the two different kindles are very different! Can I run any jelly bean rom on my fire hd? I have been in the rom development section and there seems to only be one rom (CM10) and that is still in development but when I go to 'show us your home screen' thread there are loads of android 4.xxxx looking screens.
Can I put a JB rom on my fire HD? I'm not new to roms/rooting etc but am confused at the moment.
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SensationAlex,
No, you can not install Jelly Bean on the Kindle HD yet. We are working on a custom ROM
for the Kindle and may release it in about 6 months - so far we are finding the Kindle to
be a real challenge. You bought the best one in the Kindle lineup. The Kindle Fire HD surpasses
most of the 7" tablets in quality and sound. Our company just bought a Nexus 10 and we
really enjoy the speed and the quality of the screen but the Kindle 7" is by far a better
sounding tablet. The Kindle HD Fire is the best sounding tablet, period. So if you love
to watch Movies, you bought the perfect tablet, if you want to do development, you
should get a Nexus 7. You will not like the sound on the Nexus 7", especially when
you have already been spoiled by the Kindle. If you like a challenge and have patience
keep the Kindle, it is top of the class 7". You can Root it, install a custom GUI, Install
Google Play, everything except a custom ROM.

Just been reading the kindle section of xda and have seen what people are doing, I have been using nova launcher for ages on my phone so will put that on my kindle and then with emails, browser and a few other apps I'll be happy. Can I use the stock email app with nova launcher? Or is there a different one?
I'm kind of glad there are no roms for it, will stop me messing about with roms each week!

Nova Launcher on Kindle Fire - Stock email app does work
SensationAlex said:
Just been reading the kindle section of xda and have seen what people are doing, I have been using nova launcher for ages on my phone so will put that on my kindle and then with emails, browser and a few other apps I'll be happy. Can I use the stock email app with nova launcher? Or is there a different one?
I'm kind of glad there are no roms for it, will stop me messing about with roms each week!
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SensationAlex,
Yes, I can relate, you and I are similar in that manor. I find the Kindle is the most stable tablet in the
office due to that fact. You can use the stock email app with Nova Launcher. As a matter of fact,
you loose nothing when installing Nova Launcher and gain a beautiful interface.

custom rom for the old KF not the kfhd Hashcode is working on custom recovery for the kfhd
Sent from my KFHD using xda premium

Kindle Fire HD Custom ROM
Ne0hacK said:
custom rom for the old KF not the kfhd Hashcode is working on custom recovery for the kfhd
Sent from my KFHD using xda premium
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Ne0hacK,
We actually successfully loaded Jelly Bean on the Kindle Fire HD, it was very buggy and is not ready
for production use. We are about 6 months away from releasing the custom ROM for the Kindle
Fire HD 7" current rev 7.2.3. Hashcode released a custom recovery on 11/14/2012 named
Safestrap v3.05 Beta unfortunately this project is "On Hold". We are hoping Hashcode is
able to release a production version of Safestrap prior to our custom ROM. Only time
will tell.........

Kindle Fire HD 7" Dual Boot

I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?

zoness32 said:
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.

What about different roms?
seokhun said:
I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.

TheLemonyOrange said:
I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I'm also very interested in how you would dual boot CM10.1 and the original Kindle Fire HD 7" OS. I have read somewhere that for now, that's the only way you can use the Amazon apps (due to the above cited Amazon ecosystem). I have TWRP and the 2nd bootloader, but haven't found any threads on dual booting different ROMs.

Dual Booting?
Too bad.
I am running the N2A OS on my 7" KFHD. Mostly a satisfactory experience, but I would like to have the ability the read borrowed books from my Amazon Prime account on it, and also to play Amazon Prime videos. Unfortunately, Amazon has not seen fit to allows either of these to be done on an Android tablet, only on the Kindles (borrowed books) and Kindle Fire tablets.
I have not seen any indication that they are planning to change their policy with respect to these permissions - dual booting would be a great solution.
I have tried the workaround for the Amazon videos (installing Adobe Flash), but have found the results to be less then satisfactory.
Similarly, I tried rooting my Kindle Fire HD and installing Google Play, but found that I was getting repeating Google Framework has stopped messages, and another message as well.

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Follow this link if you can find any solution http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551661

SafeStrap
Looks like hashcode had done it with safestrap, but it's no longer available for Kindle Fire.Link

[Q] How do I know which things are for old vs new FIRE HD?

Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan

Dan Miller said:
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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Short answer: no.
You're not missing anything. Many (if not MOST) posts are extremely ambiguous about which hardware is being reference (Kindle, Kindle 2, HD, HD 2, HDX) then there's the size variations. Just the other day I asked a very similar question.
What I can tell you to look for is the firmware version number referenced because that is a great indicator of what's intended. Combine that with other hints and you can usually tell pretty well. For example, Kinde Fire HD could mean the 2012[ish] model that will be running 7.x firmware. The 2013 Kindle Fire HDs will be running 11.x now (if they're updated and as of when I'm posting this). That's the next major clue, look at when the post was made because that likely refers to the generation of device if it's a ROM/HACK (as opposed to inquiry). Firmware names tend to have the hardware nick-name in them too which can help also.
Personally, if I posted something hardware dependent I would provide my model #, year/month purchased, firmware version, model name (HD, HDX) and size.
Blame Amazon for being ridiculous with their product names.

Same boat
I too wish the Kindle names were less ambiguous. Moving forward, i would like to see new threads specify 2012 or 2013 models. I keep clicking on thread after thread hoping that somewhere a Cyanogenmod or other ROM has been found to work on the 2013/SOHO KFHD, but keep going in circles.

There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
Sent from my Nexus 7 Flo running Odex SinLess ROM 4.4.2 with ElementalX kernel using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

thank you
LinearEquation said:
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
Sent from my Nexus 7 Flo running Odex SinLess ROM 4.4.2 with ElementalX kernel using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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I appreciate the quick reply. Now i can rest finally knowing there is nothing more i can do with it for now. Wait...nevermind..now i have to start trying to hack my OUYA lol

Lmfao. stuck developers

Kindle Fire 7 Android

I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.

mc_gamer_16 said:
I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.
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This is the wrong Forum Section for this. You should look here https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire
BE VERY CAREFUL!!! New bootloaders on the "Amazon Fire 7" have caused people to end up bricking their device when trying to put the custom ROM on it. Read all the guides in the Q&A section and do not do anything until you are well informed. I think you may end up having to use something called FlashFire if your device has a rootable version of Android on it.