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Hello all, while drunk at the beach this weekend I accidentally went into the water with my Touch Diamond in my pocket... stupid... I know, did I mention I was drunk? Anyways, the current issue at hand is what to do with my screwed up cell phone.
I took the backing, battery and SIM card out of the phone and let it dry out as much as I could since the weekend. When I turned it on this morning, the "smart mobility" text appears for a few seconds, but the phone shuts off shortly after that. Do batteries usually break from water damage, as well?
If anyone has any advice for me I would greatly appreciate it. Does anyone know of a legit place that can repair this? Is there anything I can do to try and remedy this problem? Or would you recommend I just sell/ditch this one and get a new phone? Thanks a lot.
Have you tried charging the battery? that might explain it only booting for a second, the other explanation is that it's fried the ROM chips and only the bootloader works.
It's not looking good, is it under warranty?
Disassemble your Diamond completely (manual floating around somewhere in this forum), clean all pieces using one of these isopropanol-brush-thingies, reassemble, turn it on - and pray. Any year - a new battery might be a good idea. No promises on anything of that though. The diamond is a very integrated piece of technology and you might have short-circuited something on one of the PCBs really. No guarantee that everything will work as usual even if the device comes up as well.
Warranty seems to be out of the question - I guess virtually any repair center will notice residue of loads of salt water on the first look inside...
That's true, I meant to say insurance, heh.
Strip it down Salt water is very and I mean very corrosive ! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing this . Waranty repair will be expensive.
Clean with an alchol based cleaner as advised but you must ensure you get all the salt out. To see it boot means that the screen has survived ( Amazed by this ) .
Best of luck , oh and if it does not work are you insured for accidental damage on personal items on your household insurance. This could be the next route
I have the same problem with my Tytn 2. It got wet during the "Oranje" Party in Basel, when the firemen were "cooling" down the fans...
It boots..but as soon as it has booted, you here a lot of "bling..bling..bling.." and it shuts down.. the batterie doesn't charge..
You recommend to open and clean it with alcool? Actually I'm not sure if it was washed by the firemen or by my own alcool .ehhehe..
I have a Diamond now, but if I get it back to work, I would sell it on ebay.
Regards
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Warranty seems to be out of the question - I guess virtually any repair center will notice residue of loads of salt water on the first look inside...
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There is a watersensor inside the diamond. They'll notice that the device has been in the water.
wardy said:
Strip it down Salt water is very and I mean very corrosive ! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing this . Waranty repair will be expensive.
Clean with an alchol based cleaner as advised but you must ensure you get all the salt out. To see it boot means that the screen has survived ( Amazed by this ) .
Best of luck , oh and if it does not work are you insured for accidental damage on personal items on your household insurance. This could be the next route
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Luckily I was at lake Michigan in Chicago (fresh water), for whatever that's worth, so I'm not really worried about salt corroding anything away. I bought it off eBay unlocked, I did buy insurance but, naturally, I'm pretty sure that this water damage won't be covered.
Sounds like taking it apart and cleaning it might be my best bet. Do you guys think that any cell phone repair place would be able to help me out? Anyone know of a good cell phone repair shop (in the U.S.)? Thanks for the help thus far guys, I really appreciate it
Firstly remove the battery and SIM, please do not try to power up or charge again as you might have already damaged it beyond repair.
Isopropanol or IPA is what you need (100% Alcohol), you can get this from your local chemist for about £5 a bottle.
You need to strip your phone down completely and use an anti static PCB brush to clean the whole lot (Buy it from Maplin), submerge it in a plate of IPA (excluding the screen) while cleaning. As for the warranty sticker remove this by first heating with a hair drier, then uing a Stanley knife point to remove it.
Once it’s all been cleaned and dried in air, re-assemble and power up. If it fails to work take it back for a warranty replacement. As the warranty sticker is intact, and all the evidence of water damage will have been removed, they should replace it for you without a problem.
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Luckily I was at lake Michigan in Chicago (fresh water), for whatever that's worth, so I'm not really worried about salt corroding anything away. I bought it off eBay unlocked, I did buy insurance but, naturally, I'm pretty sure that this water damage won't be covered.
Sounds like taking it apart and cleaning it might be my best bet. Do you guys think that any cell phone repair place would be able to help me out? Anyone know of a good cell phone repair shop (in the U.S.)? Thanks for the help thus far guys, I really appreciate it
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Pretty sure? I would check if I was you before doing anything else with it. If insurance doesnt cover water damage, what does it cover? Phone insurance is so expensive i thought they covered everything like theft and accidental damage, I thought the idea was a warranty wont cover you if you break the phone but insurance will.
I'm thinking it may be an idea to check before you do anything else so they dont say "Well we cover water damage, but now youve taken apart the phone we cant cover you"
Antimus said:
Have you tried charging the battery? that might explain it only booting for a second, the other explanation is that it's fried the ROM chips and only the bootloader works.
It's not looking good, is it under warranty?
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Seriously you are not hoping warranty will cover "swimming with the diamond"...
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all the evidence of water damage will have been removed, they should replace it for you without a problem.
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All the evidence, that is, apart from the water-sensitive tab which I am assuming you didn't know about...? (behind the tab for attaching a strap)
Mathew
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Seriously you are not hoping warranty will cover "swimming with the diamond"...
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or doese he mean "Swimming Diamond" ... Is that a new feature we overlocked? I think it's time for another entry in the tweaklist... *rofl*
My warranty does not cover accidental water damage, that is for sure.
I charged the battery up over the weekend and tried turning it back on, and, to my utter amazement, the phone completely powered on. I got to all of my menus and was able to use all of the programs that I opened, even the WiFi worked.
However, the functionality of the touch screen is quite screwed up. I don't know if its shorting out or what but there are basically "ghost taps" and other unintentional actions happening all the time. For example, if I were to just leave it at the home screen it would eventually scroll to another menu, open the start pull-down menu, automatically open the calendar and start doing random ****, etc.
Does anyone know how to fix the touch screen or have any ideas on how to replace one? I have a faint hope that this thing might not be beyond saving.. thanks a lot people
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Does anyone know how to fix the touch screen or have any ideas on how to replace one? I have a faint hope that this thing might not be beyond saving.. thanks a lot people
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Maybe try to re-calibrate the touch screen?
Don't give up hope, sometimes these things can take days, even weeks to fully dry and become functional. My mom had a sony ericsson somethingorother that she loved, dropped in the tub, didn't work for like a month or more... She'd check it every week or so to see, and slowly the features started coming back... Little by little, more and more buttons would respond (without activating 2 or 3 at a time). Well, long story short (too late?) works 100% now. I don't think water damage is a reparable occurrence, but DON'T sell your Diamond for parts or anything like that, keep it around and check back periodically. Best of luck.
there is a little white sticker onto the battery.
If it goes RED it shows HTC that the Phone/Battery went into the water.
This allows HTC to avoid repair "sunk" phones
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there is a little white sticker onto the battery.
If it goes RED it shows HTC that the Phone/Battery went into the water.
This allows HTC to avoid repair "sunk" phones
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Should also be one on the phone... If not, there's your solution. New battery + deny any water damage = Free replacement.
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Should also be one on the phone... If not, there's your solution. New battery + deny any water damage = Free replacement.
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See post #12
Haha you're all over it... Yeah, I had a feeling they'd have something in the phone, they'd never make it THAT easy.
Hey Guys,
Recently some salt water manage to get in my Samsung Galaxy S while i was fishing. Ive open my phone and clean as much corrosion as possible. Now I've notice that somethings are starting to fail on me in the past few hours My accelerometer, Charging port, 3.5mm head jacks, screen is all good and sim card slot. I can call out but cant take calls in. Chances are the corrosion can finish my phone off for good, in a few months time.
I was thinking if i can buy, new replacement parts or even the whole samsung galaxy s board ? and if any please link.
thank you, kindly appreciated
only level 3 services centre can get new boards but then you also need to write an IMEI to it and print out a new IEMI sticker so not something that can be done. buy a broken screen galaxy s from ebay and swap screens.
I'm sorry for your unscheduled swim.
Frankly,salt water damage is about as bad as it gets-anything depending upon capacitance or resistance will ultimately be affected by the salt.
In my opinion the whole phone is either now or soon will become erratic-even if you swap your screen into an ebay broken screen replacement as suggested I feel the screen from your current phone will deteriorate quickly so you may be sending good money after bad.
I think it's bite the bullet time
Best Wishes
Ashley
disappointed .... : \ Is the phone worth selling ? while phone housing is still new around 2 days old. Screen is still working but might die in the future due to corrosion but so far so good screen is fine.
thompson0206 said:
Is the phone worth selling ?
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Not as a whole phone, maybe for parts, but you would have to mention the salt water damage otherwise it would be fraudulent.
Some times things happen that are just plain accidents and most likely, like AshleySear said, it's bite the bullet time time.
Maybe look around eBay for a used phone, or wait for the new Galaxy S 2.
Sorry for your potential loss,
Ian
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warrenty
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one word....
warrenty
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Page 121 of the i9000 user manual.. They have a built-in water sensor, to allow Samsung to identify when moisture has entered the device. If it's similar to the iPod's, it's probably inside the headphone port (so they can see the color change without opening the device).
So don't warranty it..
There is 6 in the galaxy s plus we have microscopes to check the board as well.
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I hade same problem
I managed to drop my 2 weeks old GalaxySII in water. The left side of the phone was in sea water for maybe 2 seconds.
I dismounted the battery and tried to blow on it.
That war 10 days ago. Now that the warranty is gone and insurance dont cover anything I yesterday decided to disassemble it and try to clean it with filtered water.
Well the salt had dried and started to corrode on the circuits. It did not look promising but i gave it a try anyway. I used Electrical Cleaner and even bathed the circuit board in lukewarm water. The salt would not come off.
I dried then assembled the phone and pressed the power button with a spark of hope... nothing happened
So my conclusion is DO NOT BADE YOUR SMARTPHONE IN SEA WATHER!!
At least if your unlucky and it is to late put it in your pocket and annoy someone to push you into the sea. Then at least the insurance covers it
I guess my next phone will be a Motorola Defy+ or a Samsung Galaxy Xcover since i have a bad habit of breaking my phone.
today morning i droped my sgsl in detergent water .
i will keep it alone for one week
i wanted to know that detergent water damages more than water or salt water or any ways to get my phone alive
Hello all, just wanted to inform all that I've experienced this odd thing with the Z that no one has seemed to have gone through, not sure of course...
But before anything else, as it was a huge selling point for a lot of hiking and travelling me, the water proofing needed to be tested.
I took it out of the box, peeled the plastic protectors off the front and back glasses, threw it in a glass.
- Now my camera has some fog inside, the volume down button has started to work again after half an hour, the loudspeaker is understandably very bad right now.
- Currently trying to get the fog out of the camera and hoping the loudspeaker to go back to normal.
- I will contact Sony tomorrow to discuss the problem and will update this as often as I can.
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Solved!
- As Akiainavas has pointed out to me, it is actually written in the instructions manual, it is normal for the camera to get foggy between shifts from under water to outside the water, I've tested it work perfectly under water.
- Once dried out, all is good, it just took a lot longer for me compared to other people because of the low room temp I am used to I guess.
- The phone is all good, all working.
* Now on the to-do list: Unlock, Root, Flash, Enable Bravia through the whole user experience!
I heard that this is actually not uncommon. Let it dry. Try again tomorrow.
Indeed, i tested it the day i got and noticed the sound was very low after it was wet. After a half an hour (max 1 hr) sound will come back with normal volume. It's some protection thing i guess
It's just water on the speaker membrane that distorts the sound. Haven't got my phone yet, but try blowing it out. Waiting it out should work as mentioned.
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Now my camera has some fog inside
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Still have that problem?
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
never had any issues with fog in the camera on my xperia acro s, even after having it in my pocket while swimming
the speakers issue is common though, but thats expected, as water is going to get inside the speaker holes no matter what, but all I need to do is just shake the phone and blow where the speakers are and they work perfectly fine after that
Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
Right, it's been 12 hours now, I left it to dry out in a bag full of humid absorbing silicon bags over night.
- Right now the fog inside the camera lens is gone.
- However I think it is out of battery so I plugged into charging.
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
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Exactly what I have in mind, I will be contacting Sony about this no matter what, the phone failed the water test out of the box, it is a feature they promote and demonstrate heavily. If they don't cover it in their warranty despite all the promotion and the effort they have put in this phone, then they are just idiots who have absolutely no idea of how one device failing like this can damage the image if they don't back it up with their warranty.
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Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
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Yes, it was all fully working - tested its other features without opening any of the covers to make sure the water test was legit for an hour or so.
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Update: The phone is working, buttons all working, speaker working, camera fog gone and this time it didn't come back as soon as I took it out of the air lock bag.
I am still contacting Sony to get information on what I should do, how I should feel...
I will test it again after my talk with them and on the direction they've given. Mind you, I tested it only in a half full glass of water so what I will do is to try and reproduce the problem.
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Update 2: I have just noticed that the charger is actually 1.5A and you cannot charge the phone from a computer unless you have a non-standard USB port like a 3A one that Gigabyte motherboards have.
Put mine in a vase of water yesterday for 5 mins and all was well, love it
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When submerged, and after that:
- Speaker will have very low volume for a while, until it dries off
- There might be a "fog" on the camera because of humidity and temperature differences
- Hardware buttons might not react perfectly until the water dries off
It's perfectly normal. It's in instruction manual... but whoever reads those these days
Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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I trust Sony in this aspect. There are water sensitive tapes under every cover ( those little white things ) so they'll know which one leaked.
Also, remember what happened with Tablet S - it was supposed to be waterproof, but they detected a manufacturing defect that caused some of them to leak. Sony called every customer to Sony Center and provided a replacement of their device - dead or not, warranty or not... that's how you do it.
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Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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I've read it somewhere that the interior also has water resilient coating actually for when tiny amounts of water goes in, I wonder if that's why the camera gets fogged inside because I just don't get how there can be fog when there is no humidity allowed into the interior components as long as you are in the limits of the IP57 certification.
Am I wrong in this? Does water proofing not mean the device not allowing any humidity inside whatsoever? or Is it that the air molecules carrying the humidity inside can still get past the water proofing?
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
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under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
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I'm much more likely to spill beer over it rather than water in perfect honesty, so thanks for the info there!
Not that I want to spill any beer... it's so sad when I do :crying:
Hello,
I have my Z from its release. I tried its water resistance the first day i recieved it, all was OK. I recorded many videos underwater, in swimming pool, at home, and everything was always ok. Everytime i took it in water, I mindfully closed all the covering caps.
But today, I got a problem. I took my phone with me to water, as whnever I did, and when I was looking at it after "bathing", my camera was fogged - it was wet INSIDE. I tried to check those white indicators under covering caps, and those at USB port and headphone jack were RED. I also noticed tiny droplets of water there. Everything else is however working. No display issues, headphones are playing, USB works too.
I must remark that my phone dropped me on pavement from my pocket about month ago (scratched corners), but its resistance worked until today.
What now? Should I claim it? What do you guys think? I bought Xperia Z mainly for its water resistance. It is very distressing that I can take it in water any more.
Edit: one problem detected - mobile data doesnt work.
Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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I read somewhere that on the repair service they check if the flaps provide the necessary seal against water. If they provide enough seal, and you have the indicators turned red, they blame you for not having closed the flaps correctly, on the other hand, if the flaps show defects and let water through, even when properly closed and with moisture indicators turned red, they still service your device under warranty.
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Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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They were closed. I was always checking them before going in water. Im 100% sure. And yes i can prove it. They can close the flaps and test phone and see if there is water or not.
Dropping the phone may have caused an open gap somewhere and water leaked in.
Nothing you can do, just argue your way in and hope for the best.
If you know you are a clumsy person, you should have gotten a case.
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In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.
Don't tell them you used it in the swimmingpool, it clearly says in the instruction booklet that you should't.
Swimmingpool water contains acids and chemical products that may destroy the rubber seals over time.
I think I know what happened. Flaps may be ok (I tested to put the phone in water again - there were no water under them, but water still got to a phone - my volume down is damaged now), but the right issue is that back plate is raised a bit around the camera
Type "Sony Xperia Z repair, disassembly manual" on youtube.
As you can see on this video, right under the plate are phone GUTS. The plate can be raised by warming it. Thus it can raise when you play games or a sun is shining on a phone. All Xperia Z owners, check your back plate too if it is OK or raised! I believe this is that water resistance issue..
The fog in camera disappeared during the day and when I removed SIM and put it back, mobile data begun to work. Bad thing is that volume button doesnt work (as I said above). The button itself is ok and its not stucked or pressed, but when I turn phone on, it always starts in safe mode and I cant volume down, I can just volume up (using the button; I can volume down using display), so I think button contacts are fu**ed and phone thinks the buton is pressed. I think only thing I can do now is going to repair service.
I could never imagine submersing my phone in water. not worth the risk.
I treat my XZ as water resistant. I'll text people when im in the bath with wet hands etc.. but never put it in water
eiestsa never
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In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.
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Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?
I've read somewhere of someone using bleach on a cotton bud VERY carefully to whiten the markers.
I had a similar issue, take it to the service center & get it fixed.
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Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?
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No, but I think I will try.
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No, but I think I will try.
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Those flaps are piece of crap. Especially that flap where charger/data cable go. Since we playing with it every day, my guess is that sealing got weaken and that's why water got thru the phone. Gap may be less than tenth of a millimeter ( <0,1 mm) and water can easily come in.
i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)
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i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)
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If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.
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gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.
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Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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kingvortex said:
Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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because they bought the phone with the intention that they can do this with it. They've seen it in official Sony commercials (phone used during rain, phone washed under running water after being splashed with color paint, on exhibitions Sony employees dropped it in aquariums, smashed the phone on the floor repeatedly to demonstrate that the glass won't break). I heard that in some shops they even have the Z in a water tank all the time and only take it out for charging. There was that show in Czech Republic where two models used the phone under the shower and so on.
The phone has an ip57 rating which clearly states that you can submerge it into water for 1m and up to 30 minutes. I also believe that you can leave it there for much longer and it SHOULD be okay, only the depth is important. The deeper you go, the higher is the water pressure and the seals might leak.
Now, cars also have ip ratings for water protection and different levels for the interior of the car and the outside. Inside it might be ip54 (water, mud and splashes when entering the car with wet shoes or boots) and outside it's even ip59 or ip58K which means it's protected against water ingress when used with high pressure water jets (e.g. car wash!).
I'm sure most people would complain, if there brand new car is flooded with water on the inside after they went to car wash. The same is true for this phone!
An ip rating is an ip rating and not like "buhu, it's ip57 but it can only manage 3 drops of water before it breaks!". If that is the case, I could have keept my S2 which also survives a few drops of rain without damage. If Sony can't manage that, they shouldn't have advertised it like that or given an ip54 rating or something lower.
You can't claim your phone has the SECOND HIGHEST protection against water there is and then say: "Stay away from water". It's like: "your car has 6 airbags, but don't expect them to work in a crash" or "your Porsche can go 300 km/h, but don't ever try it"
People put their phone in water because they can and should be able to.
If the XZ can't and should be used in water, I'm sure most people would have bought a non water proof phone instead because it would be the same. I was drawn to this phone because of it's water resistance.
I'm beeing very paranoid and bought a 5€ waterproof bag for my phone which I tested yesterday for 6 hours submerged in the sink. The paper inside stayed perfectly dry. Even though my XZ should be waterproof on its own, I think double protection is always better. The bag seems to be waterproof, and even if by some chance it is not, then my phone won't be damaged, because it's supposed to be waterproof too!
With this double protection, I'm still afraid to take it to the pool, but might do so eventually which I wouldn't have done without the bag.
Yes, you do have a point. At least somewhat anyway.
For a start, the manual tells you to avoid chlorinated water. So no swimming pools. I wonder if this is why the water resistance appears to have failed in this case.
I could point out other things that the manual tells you to avoid, but everyone here has already read it before going swimming with their phone, right?
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well, at least you dont have to worry about dropping it in a puddle, or the toilet, or the sink!
Unexpected surprise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBKmIlk52Q
Once the phone is jostled, the internal air pressure is messed with, and water actually first enters the device. You can tell as the headphone jack finally has air bubbles coming from it. This is true with any phone with a decent seal on it. Its not water proof or resistant by ANY means. As soon as liquid gets in, the phone starts to die. Because it's not water resistant. Go figure.
And then to top it all off, that ****tard plugs the USB into a wet charging port and wonder why it shorts and burns. Christ...
So yeah, in summary: This has been posted a bunch of times already, and it's a total load of horse****. The phone isn't water resistant at all.
Pro-tip: Don't whip out your phone when taking a piss.
B1aze said:
Pro-tip: Don't whip out your phone when taking a piss.
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Anyone try liquipel?
iconeo said:
Anyone try liquipel?
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Don't fall for the hype!
A device "protected" by this quackery will still succumb to water intrusion damage.
The demos are using de-ionized water.
Real life liquids are full of ions.
Bad things will happen.
The only way to waterproof a device is to keep water on the outside, period!
i do not really think this phone is water proof
wase4711 said:
well, at least you dont have to worry about dropping it in a puddle, or the toilet, or the sink!
Unexpected surprise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBKmIlk52Q
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The phone isn't waterproof AT ALL it's simply sealed well. Same crap when the M8 first came out.
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I like to think i have a reasonable approach to any manufacture's claims; either
1) Test it if they claim "proof" (i do this with every IPX8 flashlight i buy)
2) Or, if i am at all dubious about the claim, assume it is at least one to two levels below the claim, and treat it as such.
If they are honest and say that its not proof, i am really going to believe them, and act accordingly.