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I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
maxawesome said:
I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
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Almost impossible since WP7 isn't open source.
(And it's not finished yet anyway.)
Also, Windows Mobile 7 =/= Windows Phone 7
My understanding is that Windows Phone 7 is to the WinMo platform what Centrino is to Intel-based notebooks, i.e. a set of required hardware to guarantee a certain experience.
Windows Mobile 7 (as in the OS itself) has been ported to the HTC HD2, right?
I just wondered if the same might not be possible now that the WinMo 7 SDK is out (not in final form, I know, but still...)??
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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It's a hell of a lot easier to port Android to a WinMo phone due to the fact that it's open source (hell, it's even been ported to iphone).
Getting any version of WinMo ported to Android would probably be possible, but incredibly difficult.
Ah, good point I hadn't thought of. I guess I just figured that even though WinMo isn't open source, enough of the hardware is common between devices these days so that drivers baked into WinMo would just work. Showing my novice, obviously.
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
I'm sure that nobody will bother:
1) It's going to prove VERY complicated, to say the least. Without "inside job" with the drivers, just plain impossible.
2) It's useless. If you're after Windows Phone 7 phones - just go and buy yourself one. Installing Android on it will be much easier than the other way around, and most probably it was already done.
Because of both of the points, it won't happen. There are reasonable challenges, and there are oh-so-stupid ones. And people mostly have lives. So if I were you, I wouldn't hold on to the hope, and would just go out and buy WinPhone 7.
Specifically for point 1: Microsoft certifies all the HW that is licensed to work with their OS, and all the drivers are made ONLY for this HW, and not for anything else. VERY CPU- and board-specific. Seeing that you have a Samsung phone, which doesn't have this HW or anything like it, I'd say that the chances of hell freezing over are higher than your phone getting Win7 port. Well, at least until your specific CPU (which happens, unlike most other SGS2 ones, to be of the "right" brand for Win7 phones) and phone motherboard (which might never become a base for Win7 phone) gets certified and has drivers done for it - happens only if exactly the same base will be used for Win7 phone - and Microsoft outsourcing them. I'd bet my money on hell freezing over
Did someone try porting the WP7 to the N1??
Not possible.
More importantly... WHY?
That'd be like taking the motor out of a Honda Civic and sticking it in a Lamborghini Gallardo. Fail.
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Not possible.
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But why? The HD2 seems to be working?
djstoffe said:
But why? The HD2 seems to be working?
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he has a point
I think it could be a great idea, because, for example, I really want our Nexus One to be like the HTC HD2! Been able to "work" also with other OSes..
Plus, Windows Phone 7 seems to be very snappy and minimal!
Android is obviously better, but I really want to try the Seven
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There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
I think the HD7 is pretty much the same device as the HD2?
Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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First of all I'm glad to know that my curiosirty has interest with other people as well.
second, the reason for the WHY is of course curiosity, and the fact that the N1 is a capable device and it'll be interesting to see how it would function with other OS.
Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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I with I had the money to carry as much devices as I wanted to.
That's the reason I wanted the N1, and Android for that matter, to be flexible...
athornz said:
There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
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That's handy then, as teardowns show the HTC Surround is basically a Nexus One.
HD2 runs Android awfully, compared to N1. I couldn't stand looking at it stuttering all over the place where N1 flies.
The other problem for this port is bootloader and FS compatibility. While it could probably be overcome, it might not be straightforward, just as it's quite hard to install Windows and Linux on the same partition, both using different native FS. On WM phones there is many-years-old way of loading other systems "under" Windows (I'm not really into details, but AFAIK the other system doesn't load from bootloader, but from early stages of WM kernel - which is the reason why WM-loaded OSes run like crap). On Android phones, it doesn't work that way, and there is no universally used way of loading other OSes.
And the biggest problem for all the curious would probably be just that no dev has taken interest in doing it.
if HTC 7 Surround is simular to N1, is it possible to port the whole bootloader and system of surround to N1. and and run Android "on the top" of WP7 just like what HD2 does
this could be a very very interesting project... as there are quite a few developers currently working on a WP7 like launcher for android. and if we could run wp7 it would be a pretty amazing.
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Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market
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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one
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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one
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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.
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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.
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for AT&T 3G?
Edit: Ok, I guess the Telstra HD2 had AT&T 3G bands, so you could import the phone at a premium. i can't find it on Ebay, but the Cell2Get.com has it for a reasonable $831.99. it better be the greatest ever
I would love trying wp7 on my nexus. The OS interests me, not enough though to shell out for an entire new phone. Especially since all the wp7 phones really aren't special hardware wise.
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So....
What does it take to port an OS??
do we need a new bootloader? do we need the WP7 source code?
You will never get WP7 source code.
I guess you'd need a complete dump from the Surround to work from.
Got this idea tonight , I was thinking about this and im sure that this as been done before , is there anyways to install windows phone on an android device such as Samsung Galaxy s. Also are there some restrictions that could make this not able to do so.
If someone knows any thread or tuts this would be apreciated.
Thanks guys
windows
till now.........we cant flash windows7 os on Samsung galaxys............why u want to switch over android........which is best os in the world.
windows for smartphone came and almost gone, nobody even noticed. Android is amazing and best.
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The only think I miss from Windows mobile devices is.... Age of Empires!
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Because windows isn't open source, like android, I think that it impossible to port it to other devices.
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Not impossible, it's been ported to HD2. And other phones I believe but i know for sure Windows 7 was not meant to be on HD2
I hate windows phone os
I don't think he was asking or opinions of the OS. I think he was inquiring to see if it was possible. I to would like to try this to see or myself and not take others word for it. I will search for a solution and update this thread with what I find.
Edit: It seems that it is not possible currently. However, there are developers that are working on a solution to that problem The main problem is the hardware that was not intended for Windows that is equipped to run Android OS. Hopefully there is spark at some point. There is a lot of talk though that Microsoft is trying to bully their way into having smartphone manufacturers load thee OS and allowing the consumer to be ale to dual boot. That article can be see over at many tech blogs including Znet.
Till now, there is not any known method to do this. Android OS is the best OS in the world. Almost every application is available for android. Also it is most customisable. I would recommend you to stay with Android and install WP launchers to get windows phone like stuff/looks
It is interesting which ideas we`ve got :good:
In my opinion:
Microsoft is something for my PC @home, and Android have to run on my device ...
One of my friends have one nokia with WP7 ,looks nice and works good ,he says - but for me nothing gets about Android , but it is only my opinion :angel:
To ask the thread:
I have never heard of any way to flash WP 7/8 on Android devices ...
Only device that got WP7 and did not run it natively were the Toshiba TG01 and the legendary HD2
So sorry, not happening as it's closed source
if its possible on hd2 its possible on devices using same hardware as of windows phone trying to develop a boot loader which helps wp7 bot on our android , any who one can help us with it ???
CuenNCU said:
Got this idea tonight , I was thinking about this and im sure that this as been done before , is there anyways to install windows phone on an android device such as Samsung Galaxy s. Also are there some restrictions that could make this not able to do so.
If someone knows any thread or tuts this would be apreciated.
Thanks guys
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why to install windows phone on your phone?
avishay89051 said:
why to install windows phone on your phone?
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´cause lagdroid is only for geeks who got a lot of free time
it is always nice to running multiple OS on one phone,i think we need new bootloader same exactly like cotulla has done for HD2,this sounds good to start request to cotulla,i heard he was working for MAGLDR bootloader in HTC M7,let us see
I just write all my own apps for my WP... Android OS is a little clumsy and I think it's ugly... let me know if anyone finds out how to do this... I'd buy a galaxy in a minute if it weren't for the crappy OS.
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Kingdombuilder said:
I don't think he was asking or opinions of the OS. I think he was inquiring to see if it was possible. I to would like to try this to see or myself and not take others word for it. I will search for a solution and update this thread with what I find.
Edit: It seems that it is not possible currently. However, there are developers that are working on a solution to that problem The main problem is the hardware that was not intended for Windows that is equipped to run Android OS. Hopefully there is spark at some point. There is a lot of talk though that Microsoft is trying to bully their way into having smartphone manufacturers load thee OS and allowing the consumer to be ale to dual boot. That article can be see over at many tech blogs including Znet.
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Is there a way to install lumia phone's os to android devices like nokia or other device
is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
To answer your question, NO. Window Phone 7 users will get a upgrade to Windows Phone 7.8 and it will give you the new start menu of Windows Phone 8 but, nothing else.
Windows phone 7.8
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
hetwo said:
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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thanks hetwo.
gedmurphy said:
I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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thank you too.. its good knowing there are some decent intelligent people out there willing to answer questions without having to be a disrespectful troll.
Hey guys,
Firstly please don't get this wp8 forum off to a bad start and keep flaming each other? Respect each other and the rules please :cyclops:
Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
Hopefully soon wp8 on WP7 by Custom Rom
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Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
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Definitely not via an update, that's clearly been addressed by Microsoft. However existing WP7 hardware is surely powerful enough to run WP8. The single core processor is definitely not a problem, and low end WP8 devices are looking to be lower in specs than current WP7 devices.
I'm no expert in usermode on WP, but I know the NT kernel extremely well, and it's more than capable of running on our hardware.
Some body will hack it
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Only problem maybe drivers. It is Microsoft way to release oem from out of warranty obligation to keep an outdated product updated.
Who wants to sell one shirt and that person never buys another because it last too long. I understand wanted to save money. But how can they keep making money if the people that work for them is trying to make something2 years old work off of the mere 500$ the phone is worth. Hey has to make money or they will disappear like farmer jack and circuit city
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kilus said:
really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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It's a good question. As I got that from a Tweet by someone at MS. As I understand Windows 8 has a updated kernel that they are using on WP8. Not sure on it, as I thought it was the same as you (I'm a 20 year Windows Systems admin, I know the NT kernel COULD run on 286 machines if needed, not sure on the updated one, just going on what I heard).
It might of been the option of forcing users to have not hard reset their phones (like going from 32bit to 64-bit, no upgrade path) and that would cause a big impact on customer reports. As I have understood from watching the whole MS thing on it, it came down to performance problems that ended it before it started. Some chipsets to support the new OS are not on WP7 devices, so it limits the options current users can take advantage of.
It's not just about the devices and the end users , its' about the PR nightmare. Any press is good but, bad press is a whole different story. In a year or 2 no one will even talk about this. Android does this all the time and even Apple did it to their first gen device.
Who knows. Maybe one of the great hackers here or DFT will make it run on a current device. It makes me question it though.
As long as WP7 devices have been out, Not one WM 6.5 devices (not incuding the HD2 as it was used as a test device for MS on WP7 and drivers were leaked) got a WP7 upgrade OR No Android device got WP7 or the other way around. There are plenty of Android devices or even a handful of 6.5 devices that could of run WP7 fine.
The hackers can do only so much but, time will tell, I just wonder IF POSSABLE (with out MS), just how long it would take.
It will be interesting to see tho...
I do know I am about 95% sure I will be buying one on release, just depending on the models on release.
The reason for almost none of the 6.5 devices running WP7 could be that most of the old devices running 6.5 didn´t have the needed display (capacitive and the WP7 resolution) or processor. Take the Toshiba TG01: resistive display and higher resolution.
btw....moved to Q&A:good:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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for hd7? i see...
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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Just wondering... Where did you get your info on that ? Your HD7 and focus besides the display and case is almost like every other Windows Phone 7 device (standard hardware across all models).
Even though it has been clearly said by Microsoft that NO 1st or 2nd gen devices will get the update you seem to think the HD7 will.
Maybe it's me but, I'm smelling a little BS here....
Unless Microsoft says that they will be updating or DFT decides to dig in, your not getting a upgrade on any first or 2nd gen device and that includes the HD7 and Focus.
The problem with the kernel is not that it by itself would need that much power to run but rather that they would have to develop loads of drivers for it to work, as they would not be able to use those that already exist for Windows CE.
A bigger problem might be the Bootloader process. The NT Kernel at least on ARM requires an UEFI firmware which is likely to be pretty different from the bootloaders we currently have on our phones.
So the steps would be:
- Develop an UEFI firmware for current WP7 hardware (HSPL needed because it would replace the old bootloader) - including UEFI hardware drivers
- Develop drivers for the chipsets from scratch
- Find out on how many hardware characteristics Microsoft chose to rely that are simply not there on old devices
I'm not saying that it is impossible to do or that it won't ever be done but I guess until it's done almost no one will still be using such an old phone.
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DavidinCT said:
Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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Helooo???
Low end WP8 devices will have lower HW specs than some current WP7 devices.
WP8 could run very well on a focus s or HD7 or any other.
There will be custom roms for many current devices, there are many smart guys here that I'm sure will try to do this. Let's hope they will manage to do it.
Anyone here think it can be done? I'm looking to get one, but it would be really nice if WP8 can be installed on it. Even WP7.8 would be nice.
I tried asking this in the Nexus 7 section, but the Android fanboys there just kept pestering me about why I'd want to change to WP. It got annoying after a while. Thought I'd ask here, where there'd be more enthusiasm for the idea.
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Anyone here think it can be done? I'm looking to get one, but it would be really nice if WP8 can be installed on it. Even WP7.8 would be nice.
I tried asking this in the Nexus 7 section, but the Android fanboys there just kept pestering me about why I'd want to change to WP. It got annoying after a while. Thought I'd ask here, where there'd be more enthusiasm for the idea.
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O_O Windows phone 8?....on a Asus Nexus 7 tablet? WHY? not even microsoft has made one (and for good reason....it wouldnt make a good tablet UI on its own). Id think that if anything....you would want windows 8 on it seeing as how thats got that awful metro UI AND full bown access to the windows OS. Also im gonna say no, windows phone 8 is less open source and less popular than android or iOS so I dont think its attracting the proper amount of developers that it would need to accomplish such a feat (if possible anyway). But what do i know....im just an "android fanboy"
markiemice said:
Anyone here think it can be done? I'm looking to get one, but it would be really nice if WP8 can be installed on it. Even WP7.8 would be nice.
I tried asking this in the Nexus 7 section, but the Android fanboys there just kept pestering me about why I'd want to change to WP. It got annoying after a while. Thought I'd ask here, where there'd be more enthusiasm for the idea.
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Ever saw an android phone (except HD2) running some stable build of windows phone?
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hiu115 said:
Ever saw an android phone (except HD2) running some stable build of windows phone?
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the hd2 is not a android device
Based on the information at the below wp8 won't be installing on anything it wasn't intended for:
"These new Windows Phone 8 security features also make it obvious as to why Windows Phone 8 will not run on current Windows Phone devices… they lack a chip that has been burned with security keys for the platform, OEM, and device."
http://pocketnow.com/2012/09/03/custom-roms-on-windows-phone-8/
i would run it