Hey guys so i bought an 1800mAh battery for my IS and i don't seem to be getting any extra juice really. My main concern is that the phone still thinks i am on theold one and indicating that i am on reserve power when i'm actually not. Is there some utility i can use that gives me accurate feedback as to how much juice is left in my battery or are my suspicions unfounded?
TIA
If your IS is S-OFF then you should be able to use ClockworkMod Recovery to wipe battery status. And to calibrate new battery, you need to charge the new battery until full (there's some dispute on whether to leave it charging for 8 to 12 hours), and then use it until the phone tells you to charge (~1% left).
But NEVER drain your battery to 0%
Finally repeat that process for at least 4 times, new battery calibration done!
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If your IS is S-OFF then you should be able to use ClockworkMod Recovery to wipe battery status. And to calibrate new battery, you need to charge the new battery until full (there's some dispute on whether to leave it charging for 8 to 12 hours), and then use it until the phone tells you to charge (~1% left).
But NEVER drain your battery to 0%
Finally repeat that process for at least 4 times, new battery calibration done!
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Not 100% correct.
If you notice that your battery-left-show-thingy doesn't really match how much battery you really have left, you should use the phone untill it dies. When the phone dies because the battery is "empty" (in quotation marks since it isn't 100% empty if I can recall what I learned from my electronics course correctly..) it re-calibrates the battery stats and should be more accurate next boot.
But except for that fact you're right
If you want the battery to have as long lifetime as possible, keep between 30% and 70% all the time, and when you're not going to use the battery for a long time charge it to 40%!
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Some good reading if you want to know more
(well, I know this is a bit off topic, but someone might find this info quite good to know )
usually third party battery with "higher" rating usually sucks and don't really give the performance that they rated the battery with
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usually third party battery with "higher" rating usually sucks and don't really give the performance that they rated the battery with
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correct third party battery's usually have about 20% less of their "ratted" capacity some lesser known third party ones have like 40% less
Their is nothing like the real thing
but as others have said re-calibrate your battery
That link was sure a wealth of info. Very informative.
I heard you can use the 1800mAH desire z(I think)battery as it is the same size and type. I know nothing about it but will I need to do anything special or is it plug and go? What kind of performance difference can I expect?
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Ummm...its only 50mAh more. How much extra battery life did u expect?
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keeping battery charge levels between 20-80% will allow your battery to maintain its maximum capacity.
drain the battery to 0% and you might find it dies just that little bit quicker the next day.
likewise, you know when charging the progress slows down around 90-100%? - that's the battery inefficiency around the max mark; this is damaging the battery too.
so, is there an app out there that will stop charging the battery when we get to 90%?
tasker can recognise the battery level but it has no action to stop the charging so presume ably its too low level. its also not available in the secure settings add on.
Do you have any links to back up these claims?
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
Some kernels have these options. Battery life extender, where you can change the maximum charging level. I would guess though that by the time you're really affecting your battery life it will be time to upgrade anyway!
Some kernels have these options. Battery life extender, where you can change the maximum charging level. I would guess though that by the time you're really affecting your battery life it will be time to upgrade anyway!
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Thanks. I'll look into that. I'd probably leave it at 90% or 95% but 80% is the value I heard. Personnally I find charge doesn't really slow down until 98%.
Mugen batteries can be upto $100 each so I think it's worth protecting the investment and Lithium batteries are the same technology in the brand new Galaxy3 or iPhone4s than it is in a GalaxyS1 etc. So that's my motive.
I experience this too! when my phone are only charged at 90 percent it last more longer !
Battery calibrate.
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Battery calibrate.
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Does calibration really needa 0-100. 100-0 then charge again from 0-100 (is the phone needs to ne off while charging?)
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Here's a technical explanation for why this kind of app needs to exist (and why I was Googling this charge-limiting idea tonight to find this thread):
jago25_98 brushed the surface of it in an earlier post, but was blown off. He's dead-on. The top 90-100% of a battery's capacity is very slightly damaging to the battery, which likes to stay in the 3.7-4.0V range (about 30% to 90%). 4.0v to 4.1v is about 90 to 100%, and 4.1v to 4.2v is "you can cram in about 5% more at your own risk" territory. The charge lingers around the 100% mark to cram more power in without exceeding 4.2v. This is why devices are shipped half-charged, not full-charged: the batteries are manufactured at a stable mid-range voltage and charge level. Then, they're tested and returned to that half-charged state for storage (!) and shipping. They like to stay in the middle, not the extreme ends (and definitely not fully discharged).
Charge algorithms are designed solely with capacity in mind, because not much care is put into "how long" something will last. They'd much rather abuse the battery and have the battery (or the device) replaced, than to put a larger battery in to make up for lost capacity by charging only to 80%.
For some of us, we understand that, and we'd like to limit our battery charge so the life of the battery (the capacity it will hold over time) will stand up to the test of time. If treated right, these batteries could last over 10 years. Charging to 100% each day and staying there all night (most of the time, it charges within an hour, leaving it sitting about a quarter of its life at a full charge) is pretty destructive, compared to using an app that caps it at 80% each night, saving the full cycles for monthly battery-meter refreshes.
If it can be done, I'd like to know... I might just dust off my SDK and crack open a "how-to" book to get started. About time I had a good app idea...
Here's some recent media that's brought this issue back to be bumped: http://gizmodo.com/you-should-try-to-keep-it-north-of-50-percent-as-much-619313207
Is that extender in NStools?
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If I remember correctly Mackay kernel - at least up to 4.3 Mackay - has allowed BLX. I think Semaphore allowed this as well in the manager app.
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If I remember correctly Mackay kernel - at least up to 4.3 Mackay - has allowed BLX. I think Semaphore allowed this as well in the manager app.
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Yes, I'm using Mackay Kernel+Rom ( 4.4.2 KK ) and you can find the BLX (battery life extender) in Mackay Settings tab.
Sorry for digging up this long submerged thread.
I'm quite interested in the idea of getting my phone to charge between 40-80% while I plug in my phone overnight. I wish to maximise the longevity of the battery on my phone. I'm thinking about using the app "Tasker" together with a Wifi controlled power switch. Has anyone done that?
(PS. I don't use a Galaxy S I9000 phone. Just searched and found this randomly)
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Here's a technical explanation for why this kind of app needs to exist (and why I was Googling this charge-limiting idea tonight to find this thread):
jago25_98 brushed the surface of it in an earlier post, but was blown off. He's dead-on. The top 90-100% of a battery's capacity is very slightly damaging to the battery, which likes to stay in the 3.7-4.0V range (about 30% to 90%). 4.0v to 4.1v is about 90 to 100%, and 4.1v to 4.2v is "you can cram in about 5% more at your own risk" territory. The charge lingers around the 100% mark to cram more power in without exceeding 4.2v. This is why devices are shipped half-charged, not full-charged: the batteries are manufactured at a stable mid-range voltage and charge level. Then, they're tested and returned to that half-charged state for storage (!) and shipping. They like to stay in the middle, not the extreme ends (and definitely not fully discharged).
Charge algorithms are designed solely with capacity in mind, because not much care is put into "how long" something will last. They'd much rather abuse the battery and have the battery (or the device) replaced, than to put a larger battery in to make up for lost capacity by charging only to 80%.
For some of us, we understand that, and we'd like to limit our battery charge so the life of the battery (the capacity it will hold over time) will stand up to the test of time. If treated right, these batteries could last over 10 years. Charging to 100% each day and staying there all night (most of the time, it charges within an hour, leaving it sitting about a quarter of its life at a full charge) is pretty destructive, compared to using an app that caps it at 80% each night, saving the full cycles for monthly battery-meter refreshes.
If it can be done, I'd like to know... I might just dust off my SDK and crack open a "how-to" book to get started. About time I had a good app idea...
Here's some recent media that's brought this issue back to be bumped: http://gizmodo.com/you-should-try-to-keep-it-north-of-50-percent-as-much-619313207
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I am thinking, if Android app can't limit battery charging level, at least there should be an app that shows some sort of notifications when charging has reached a certain level set by users.
There is an app for it. Battery Charge Limit.
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keeping battery charge levels between 20-80% will allow your battery to maintain its maximum capacity.
drain the battery to 0% and you might find it dies just that little bit quicker the next day.
likewise, you know when charging the progress slows down around 90-100%? - that's the battery inefficiency around the max mark; this is damaging the battery too.
so, is there an app out there that will stop charging the battery when we get to 90%?
tasker can recognise the battery level but it has no action to stop the charging so presume ably its too low level. its also not available in the secure settings add on.
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You can get this app https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 here. It also has tasker integration
I have had my note 4 a year now and have been an extreme user with lots of games, movies, Netflix, Ingressing, drawing etc.
I was wondering when I should start to get ready for a new battery?
I figure I should be getting close to its useful life soon and what to be ready since I should replace the one in the wife's note also.
6 months to a year
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Time to get new one soon. Once you start seeing battery dropping from 15-30 % to 1% within a minutes then replacement is needed. I replaced mine after 14 months. I choose anker instead samsung.
Well i have an external anker and currently always near a outlet so I never see 15% lol. But will be on amazon looking for new batteries
Proper battery cycling is key to long battery life. Allow battery to use up 90 to 95% of its charge then fully charge. Topping off battery constantly will shorten battery life drastically.
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Proper battery cycling is key to long battery life. Allow battery to use up 90 to 95% of its charge then fully charge. Topping off battery constantly will shorten battery life drastically.
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I have read many different things about when to charge, over night charging etc and pretty much from experts and no one ever says the same thing.
Topping off I have read its good and bad so when it comes to charging I will keep doing what I do now since I don't notice any loss. Hell I charge while playing games.
According to phone info app I have plugged in charger 1456 times and battery health is still good.
I just know with heavy use and games like Ingress battery won't last for ever and I am shopping now for batteries.
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
Source:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.