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I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
I don't think bump charging is helping the longevity of your battery. Not saying it doesn't last longer on a charge, but that it isn't good for the battery's overall lifespan.
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3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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Draining all the way down and overcharging it are the biggest ways to kill it off. The Seideo and most other batteries I think have a fail-safe for draining it all the way down, cutting it off early before it actually does.
This article is pretty helpful about your battery, if you haven't had the chance to read it, it may benefit you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
Bump charging did it.....
Where's ma rosie at?
I have been using the 3500 for about the same length of time you have been. I haven't really noticed a drop off in performance. Maybe a very slight drop off.. not much though. Still could get 2-3 days use on one charge if I wanted to.
I have the same issue with my 3500. I will try to re-calibrate it.
4 months seems to be pretty quick for a decline in performance like that. I would press Seideo to replace it.
You can try resetting the cells to how they were when it was brand new. All you have to do is completely deplete the battery of all charge (so it wont even turn on) then short it out with 3x the voltage (a 9v battery should work, make sure to keep the polarity the same) and fully charge it again, then it will be like new!
My dad (who is an electrician) found a guide for this on ebay and bought it just for the hell of it to see if it worked. We tried it on a battery I had for an LG VX8300 I had at the time and it worked beautifully, I've been doing it ever since!
I have no idea how this works, all I know is that it just does.
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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When ever you get a new battery you must condition it, exactly as sedio said full charge it, then drain fully 5 times. It makes the battery last much longer
Sources: I built one for my robotics team
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I got some 3,500mAh cheapies off ebay about 6 months ago and they are holding up just fine. I always run mine down to about 5% then fully charge. I bump charge them about once a month.
Well of course... After I'm pimping how great these batteries are, one quit working! My phone would just shut off with a light tap against something so I pulled the black sticker off of the battery, pulled it all apart, found the loose connection, bent the tab to make better contact, and put it all back together. All is good again.
I recently purchased this same battery read tons of good reviews not sure how i feel about the bump charging after reading the article that was within this thread but all in all it is a giant leap beyond the stock battery now if i could just find a case that would fit around it
To the OP. If youre running a kernel with SBC (Superior battery charging [trickle charging] w/e you wanna call it) they're known to reduce your battery life. also you may wanna charge the battery to 100% then wipe the battery stats on your phone.
I have the same battery and I've found that the phone has trouble reporting the percentage correctly. It tends to make jumps of about 5-10% instead of a steady decline. I switched to the original battery and it did not have this problem. I've also noticed that clearing battery stats several times helps (most of the time). As far as bump charging goes, it's perfectly fine to bump charge these batteries. The worst thing you can do to them is discharge them all the way.
Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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I second this. I have the same battery and its been off a few times. Battery stats get weird sometimes. It's certainly a better battery than the cheap Chinese batteries HTC uses.
Hello, I recently purchased the 3500mAh 3.7V extended battery for my dinc. Can someone tell me what voltage I should charge it up to? I am not seeing amazing results, so I believe that my battery is not completely calibrated. I did run it through multiple complete uses (fully charged, to drain, and repeat) so I don't know what the problem could be. Thanks.
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What were you expecting for battery life? Depending on the brand it may not be a real 3500mAh battery. One full discharge and recharge should be enough to calibrate the software though Li-Ion batteries have no memory in them. Check this out. It mentions extending the life on the battery but is still interesting stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries.
In fact that whole site has a lot of info on batteries.
Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Yeah, that's why I am worried. And actually, my stock battery usually have me like a day with good use. When you put it in perspective, my 1300mAh battery gives me about 67% of the battery life that I get from a 3500 mAh battery. Is there any way I can measure the power of the battery? I take physics, so even finding a way to calculate the current, voltage, and/or resistance of the battery would help.
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Check batteryuniversity.com, they have a link for calculating the actual capacity, or if you know your model which you should you can Google for actual capacity. Someone probably has posted capacities of a battery.
just going to add that in my experience(I have 3 Dincs), just a 3500 mah battery isn;t going to give you amazing results on it;s own. power management on the Dinc requires some attention. i find that charging the battery in the phone doesn;t necessarily yield a full charge, especially if you are charging it while the OS is loaded(topping it off). so my strategy has been to run my batteries down to empty,replace with a fresh one and charge them in an external battery charger-but not just any charger but a RAVpower universal charger. I have an "official" Seido charger and that doesn;t charge my batteries fully either even though it thinks it has by showing a green LED. I know some people will say that batteries shouldn;t be treated like this and that they don;t suffer from memory effect so you are free to not do what I am doing.
the biggest things that use up the battery is the 3G radio and the Display so of course if you are just using your phone to do stuff non stop of course you'd be lucky to get 4-6 hours of usage. Even if you have your phone doing useful stuff over wifi like checking for email in the background, it does consume battery. but with my phone in Airplane mode(like overseas where I would have no 3G or Wifi), I;ve gotten a couple of days of Standby time.
other stuff I have done is remove any apks in memory that might be consuming cpu cycles and memory. less is more on a limited platform like the Dinc. biggest cpu hogs on my phone believe it or not is Facebook and Amazon App Store(my guess is that it;s periodically checking my licensing for some apps that I got from them). it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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I did check that and I didny find anything very abnormal, since I already greenified those apps.
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Is it a myth or truth, that it will help my battery life if I completely drain my battery down and fully charge it up? I've yet to do this in the 2 weeks I've had this phone. I know it was the case many years ago and not sure with todays batteries. Something about building up the battery memory. I'm down to 23% as I type this.
google is your friend sir. that is only for the old NiCad batteries. from what ive read you actually dont really want to completely drain any battery because it becomes unstable at that point. the main tips are to keep it cool. top it off when you can, most say to plug it up around 50 %, dont leave it on charge forever. and dont extra load the battery. ( some people take it out at 100% and plug it back in to get the most juice out of it)
Some recommend it once a month, and some do it every other months. One time doesn't hurt
I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Haha Anyone that tells you that it is good or makes a difference to totally discharge a battery and then charge it to fill will help the battery doesn't know what they are talking about. Only the old Ni-Cad (Nickel Cadium) batteries developed memory and needed full cycle discharges. The new batteries that are in phones Li-Ion (Lithium-Ion) do not develop a memory. In fact these batteries have a number of cycles before they go bad. Batteryuniversity.com explains that routinely charging a battery when it's under 25% will yield roughly 300 or so cycles (charging to full). At 50% remaining Battery you will get 1000-1200 charge cycles and charging the battery when 75% remaining you can get as many as 2000 charge cycles.
So the point is never let it drain all the way, and charge frequently. My Note 4 gets about 8-10 hours of screen on time and my average days I have about 2-3 hours of sot and charge my phone 70-80% battery left. My note 3 was the same and had it for a year and when I sold it a month ago. I was still getting the same battery life. Maybe 3-5% more drain from when I got it.
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I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Yup. Same here. I charge the battery whenever I want... And let die if it has to. Plus, it's the enclosed battery users that should worry about that.
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.
For the last few years I've been reading that it's best to charge your battery at around 30-40% up to 80 or 85%.
Despite this possibly being the best practice, I don't see much point in paying for a $1200+ with a 4100mah battery and only using 40-50% of it's capacity.
So do you charge at around 10% and then go up to a hundred?
Generally I charge when I need to. I like to be topped up to a 100% when I leave the house. Maybe this isn't best practice. I could wait until it get to about 20% but I am wary about using all the battery cycles up.
PLUS I doubt you're going to get 6-7 out SOT if you charge at around 30 or 40%.
So what do you guys do with your s10e, 10s or s10 +?
Charge it whenever. Why the heck limit myself to 60% (say from 20-80% when even my usage pattern won't cause the battery to wear down to 80% capacity over that same time frame by my charging methods?
I also don't tend to keep my phones for more than a year, so wear level doesn't really affect me much
There is no way to "charge it best". Just use it and charge it when needed.
People take out of date "battery knowledge" from the NiCAD battery days and think that modern batteries develop "memories" and things and that hasn't been the case in decades... Just use it and don't worry about it. A battery is only gonna last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares if you shorten that by 2 months?
I normally charge my S10 from 25% to 90%.
The battery of my previous S7 Edge started suffering after almost a year and a half because I used to always keep it charging overnight.
If you don't intend to keep using your phone for more than a year, then don't limit charging your phone. Even in the case it wears off after a year, you can get your battery replaced by Samsung and start fresh again.
I charge mine around 20-30% all the way to 100% . Then unplugged it whenever I need to.
Is there a good "battery charge limit" app that doesn't require root or Magisk? I used Battery Charge Limit (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit&hl=en_US) and it works great, but requires root privilege. It allows you to set upper and lower limits for charging, so you don't overcharge or let your battery drain.
Batteries don't overcharge. They hit 100% and then trickle charge...
Li-Ion batteries are durable and easy to maintain, you can't overcharge them and also the charging cycles doesn't matter - when you use the integrated Charing electronics in your device. You can charge it for a few minutes over the whole day without losing any capacity. Only over the time the capacity will get lower and lower, but this is an issue you can't avoid.
The charging controller in your device cares about voltage and loading current, never put a current on a Li-Ion battery without current limiter and voltage regulator.
But Li-Ion are very sensitive to mechanical damages and production faults.
Thanks for all the advice guys. Nice to see that most of us feel the same way.
Agree with the others. Technically, for optimum life, they say it's best to be between 40%-80%.
But really, just charge it when you need to charge it. Don't worry about numbers or percentages. If you're only going to own the device for a few years, no matter how you charge your device, it's going to have absolutely no affect on the battery over that time. It'll still be holding almost the same amount of charge in a couple of years regardless of which "charging strategy" you use.
TLDR: don't worry about percentage, charge it when you feel like it or when it needs it.
Go here and follow these principles. End off.
https://www.apple.com/in/batteries/maximizing-performance/
I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
https://i.imgur.com/rOabELz.jpg
Neo3D said:
I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
https://i.imgur.com/rOabELz.jpg
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so you probably charge ur phone 6 times a day? no thanks
@SquireSCA I believe it's a narrow-minded approach to say that the phone battery will "last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares". I'm currently still rocking my Samsung Galaxy S5 which I bought brand new just over 5 years ago now on it's original battery. The battery is by no means like it was when it was new, but it will still last a day of light usage, and still runs perfectly fine with Android 5 installed. This preservation of the battery comes after years of charging it slowly on a charger outputting less than 1 amp and also making sure it rarely goes below 20%, spending most of it's time between 20%-80%.
If you you want to double your battery life you have to keep your li-ion battery between 3.7V and 4.2V. you have to stop the charge when the battery reach 4.2V so it means you have to keep your battery between 15%-85%.
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Personally I keep my battery between 15-85% which is sufficient to double it's battery life for a 3-year usage without big losses
Idk i heard ppl saying you should let it completely drain and recharge at least once a month. i charge at 15%. Oh well i only keep this phone for a year and then sell it.
It's mostly BS. There are hundreds of charging theories and no battery experts here so pick one and go with it. Pick the wrong one and instead of getting 8 hours on your batter 2 years down the road you'll probably only get 7.5 hours.