Question about Helium - Moto X Q&A

I'm very interested in this device but since I'll be purchasing through ATT and the bootloader is currently locked could someone check and see if helium app backup/restore works without root on this device?
it'll be the first time I buy a device before it's rooted and moving my app data is pretty important for me. Titanium backup is currently something I can't use if I move to this device.

It works.

gunnyman said:
It works.
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Thank you. Pretty sure this is my next device.

It's a pain to use compared to tibu

gunnyman said:
It's a pain to use compared to tibu
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Yeah, i've got both on my device as of now, but since I won't be crack flashing, as long as I can get it there i can cross my fingers for root down the road.

I found it didn't back every thing up.

Just replying here in case someone else finds this thread looking for more information.
My wife just got the Rogers Moto X (XT1058). Using the drivers suggested by the Helium app didn't work, even after a reboot. I downloaded the Motorola Device Manager directly from Motorola's Canadian website (no clue if the US one is the same).
Motorola Device Manager (Drivers)
After installing on Windows 8.1 and without even rebooting, Helium was enabled successfully when the phone was in Camera (PTP) mode.. Hope this helps someone!

pqee said:
Just replying here in case someone else finds this thread looking for more information.
My wife just got the Rogers Moto X (XT1058). Using the drivers suggested by the Helium app didn't work, even after a reboot. I downloaded the Motorola Device Manager directly from Motorola's Canadian website (no clue if the US one is the same).
(link removed because I'm a noob)
After installing on Windows 8.1 and without even rebooting, Helium was enabled successfully when the phone was in Camera (PTP) mode.. Hope this helps someone!
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Thanks for that - I'm in the US but your Canadian link worked like a charm

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[Root] Z4Root

We've heard that you can root the LG Optimus 2X with Z4Root. Is it permanent or temporary?
No supporting evidence just yet, but rooting this phone should be a piece of cake.
I used Z4root on two samples of the 2X, no issues what so ever. These were however pre-release roms, but I couldn't imagine any differences from the final release.
And yes, it's permanent. I had some app testing to do and tried Z4root just for fun and it worked like a charm.
//Dave
Cool. I have already ordered one. Is the root reversible? E.g. can one root an unroot as if nothing happened?
I'm holding the 2x in my hand right now and unrooted it. (didn't try adb on it for confirmation but tried clocksync, which refused access (superuser has disappeared as well). Rerooting at the moment.
Once again this is a pre relase rom so I can't guarantee that the final ROM will have the same functionality.
//Dave
dave79 said:
I'm holding the 2x in my hand right now and unrooted it. (didn't try adb on it for confirmation but tried clocksync, which refused access (superuser has disappeared as well). Rerooting at the moment.
Once again this is a pre relase rom so I can't guarantee that the final ROM will have the same functionality.
//Dave
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Thanks. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
Good news dave. My understanding is that the main issues with the Optimus 2x so far have been regarding the massive amount of bloat apps as well as some instability in day to day operations (browser and messaging seems to crash from time to time).
Are you experiencing these? Would you be able to remove some of the bloat apps and see if it breaks anything in the LG rom?
UHOH!
Bantu85 said:
Good news dave. My understanding is that the main issues with the Optimus 2x so far have been regarding the massive amount of bloat apps as well as some instability in day to day operations (browser and messaging seems to crash from time to time).
Are you experiencing these? Would you be able to remove some of the bloat apps and see if it breaks anything in the LG rom?
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I'll take a look at it, I've got an early version of the 2x which I'll try to push the new system dump to. I've rooted it and while using adb shell it looks like I've bricked it! uhoh!
Bricking a pre-production version of the best phone on the planet isn't quite what I wanted to do! I'm stuck in a boot loop and I manage to get a limited connection when booting it into the bootloader. However, probably because of pre-production status, the bootloader will let me go up and down using the volume keys, but it won't let me select any of the options!
When in the bootloader, I do have some type of recognized connection via the PC. DDMS recognizes the phone, ADB doesn't let me access it.
I'll chill on doing anything to the "good" phone for now (hope you understand)... but if I get the bricked one started, I'm back in the game .
Feel free giving me tips or trix to get it up and running.
from a somewhat uneasy Dave
dave79 said:
Feel free giving me tips or trix to get it up and running.
from a somewhat uneasy Dave
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Have you tried using the power button or one of the other buttons to select an option in the bootmenu?
GIR said:
Have you tried using the power button or one of the other buttons to select an option in the bootmenu?
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I sure did, thanx anyways. I've used every button available incl, the touch screen corners, tapping on the selection itself.
//Dave
Z4root doesn't work with my sample
No way to root
pocketAM said:
Z4root doesn't work with my sample
No way to root
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Do you have a preproduction model like Dave or a sales sample?
On mine Z4root simply quits...after saying "Aquiring root shell" ... will try an other version, hope that will work...
Do you have a temporary root? After z4root locks? I tried with a later rom and got the same issue. However after accessing it with ADB shell it clearly has root "#" is showing and I have permissions I otherwise wouldn't have. However it seems like the root is temporary. Weird thing... I'll continue hunting for alternative solutions.
BTW, my other X2 may rest in peace. After a friend helping me out we managed to get the phone into fastboot, the kernel must have been intact, the system was completely wiped. Pushed the system through ADB and rebooted. Now we can't get it into fastboot at all... RIP ;(
//Dave
dave79 said:
Do you have a temporary root? After z4root locks? I tried with a later rom and got the same issue. However after accessing it with ADB shell it clearly has root "#" is showing and I have permissions I otherwise wouldn't have. However it seems like the root is temporary. Weird thing... I'll continue hunting for alternative solutions.
BTW, my other X2 may rest in peace. After a friend helping me out we managed to get the phone into fastboot, the kernel must have been intact, the system was completely wiped. Pushed the system through ADB and rebooted. Now we can't get it into fastboot at all... RIP ;(
//Dave
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Wow, sorry to hear your loss...sad story.
Anyway, I heard that it is possible to root 2.2.1 devices with Super One Click, but I can't get my Optimus 2x connected to adb, somehow Windows 7 doesn't wanna install the downloaded Google USB Drivers...
The reason Z4root doesn't work on firmwares 2.2< is that the exploit it uses to gain root rights has been fixed in those newer versions
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Do you have a preproduction model like Dave or a sales sample?
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sales sample x press
After update OTA to version LS670ZVC, machine is unable to be rooted at this time. I am sure someone is working on it.
I returned this previously rooted phone Saturday feb 12 for replacement due to HW fault. Got new phone home and saw the phone was auto-updating to the LS670ZVC version. Which kept me from using Zroot as I did in the past. Drat! Tried many tricks found on other android forums to try and root.
The skinny of it is, if this update was applied OTA, we are SOL for now. If you updated using LG software via computer, you can root it still. If you haven't updated from version 9, don't do it until an exploit is released.
I have another thread going on this same issue. I have tried using superoneclick. Even though everything looked ok it didn't make a difference. Did a root checker it said busybox was ok and I know that SU is ok. Just looks like they "fixed" the exploit for now...
Sent from my LS670 using XDA App
domi007 said:
Wow, sorry to hear your loss...sad story.
Anyway, I heard that it is possible to root 2.2.1 devices with Super One Click, but I can't get my Optimus 2x connected to adb, somehow Windows 7 doesn't wanna install the downloaded Google USB Drivers...
The reason Z4root doesn't work on firmwares 2.2< is that the exploit it uses to gain root rights has been fixed in those newer versions
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Mmmm, sad about the old one, however I got my second device so I'll unroot my it and then try the SuperOneClick option.. I'll let you know. Once again this is a sample but the rom is dated from 2010-12-14 so it must be quite close to production ROMs.
//Dave
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[Q] Non-data options/Root Help?

Okay. Well I recently rediscovered my droid OG. Got it working again (thought it was bricked), factory reset and SBF'd since root wasn't working properly and now I can't find a working root method. I can't get it to show up in my virtual machine (i have a mac) without unenabling usb debugging.
also, once i've got it rooted, can i turn all data stuff off so it's a wifi only device and it doesn't bug me about activation? also what are the most stable ROMs and what are some things i can do with this device?
This is a complete guide: http://www.mrmuh.com/2012/01/update-a-motorola-milestone-from-motorola-firmware-to-cyanogenmod-7/
Activation isn't mobile data related; it's Android default rom related. You can skip that step, but keep in mind that using Play store needs an active Google account. If you don't need play store and google apps, do not install gapps after flashing CyanogenMod
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This is a complete guide: http://www.mrmuh.com/2012/01/update-a-motorola-milestone-from-motorola-firmware-to-cyanogenmod-7/
Activation isn't mobile data related; it's Android default rom related. You can skip that step, but keep in mind that using Play store needs an active Google account. If you don't need play store and google apps, do not install gapps after flashing CyanogenMod
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That guide is for the Milestone, he is talking about the Droid.
Don't use anything built for the Milestone on your Droid - they are not compatible. Browse the forums here, and take look at this guide:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Motorola_Droid:_Full_Update_Guide
I think there's some apps to handle the root part (superoneclick? droidmod?)
Sorry I can't help more, I don't know the Droid very well and don't want to lead you the wrong direction.
scoutme said:
This is a complete guide: http://www.mrmuh.com/2012/01/update-a-motorola-milestone-from-motorola-firmware-to-cyanogenmod-7/
Activation isn't mobile data related; it's Android default rom related. You can skip that step, but keep in mind that using Play store needs an active Google account. If you don't need play store and google apps, do not install gapps after flashing CyanogenMod
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yes i can skip it but the problem is that every time the thing reboots it asks me to reactivate so i was wondering if there was a way to get rid of it.
CanAndroid said:
That guide is for the Milestone, he is talking about the Droid.
Don't use anything built for the Milestone on your Droid - they are not compatible. Browse the forums here, and take look at this guide:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Motorola_Droid:_Full_Update_Guide
I think there's some apps to handle the root part (superoneclick? droidmod?)
Sorry I can't help more, I don't know the Droid very well and don't want to lead you the wrong direction.
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i actually have gotten my phone rooted and found that guide. i also found a universal wifi only flashable zip. however, the phone gets way too hot to be practical lol
jkingaround said:
Okay. Well I recently rediscovered my droid OG. Got it working again (thought it was bricked), factory reset and SBF'd since root wasn't working properly and now I can't find a working root method. I can't get it to show up in my virtual machine (i have a mac) without unenabling usb debugging.
also, once i've got it rooted, can i turn all data stuff off so it's a wifi only device and it doesn't bug me about activation? also what are the most stable ROMs and what are some things i can do with this device?
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Here is a working root method for the Motorola Droid (Its also mac friendly the guide since you mentioned you have a mac). Do not follow the guide the person above me posted it is for the GSM Motorola Milestone not your CDMA Motorola Droid 1 ! The guide will also tell you how to install the latest version of Cyanogenmod (7.2) and Google apps. What virtualization software are you using? After you root the phone the easiest way to turn off data is put it in airplane mode and just connect to your wifi network. As far as ROM's the above mentioned CM 7.2 is the most stable, as far the getting the most performance using Chainfire3D, V6 supercharger, and these build.prop tweaks. Let me know if you need any further help
thanks. i've gotten as far as rooting it and i put CM7 on it. however, i think it's got a bad battery, plus it gets really hot so i'm pretty sure i'm just going to give up on this device. Was hoping it could be useful as a media remote for my mac or something of that sort but pretty unlikely.
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thanks. i've gotten as far as rooting it and i put CM7 on it. however, i think it's got a bad battery, plus it gets really hot so i'm pretty sure i'm just going to give up on this device. Was hoping it could be useful as a media remote for my mac or something of that sort but pretty unlikely.
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If you search online you can find a droid 1 battery on amazon for under $5 :thumbup:
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium
hmm it's possible. i might do it if there is anything cool i can really do with it? otherwise it's not worth my time haha

[Q] Need Root access for new upgrade path

New MotoX from sprint.
android version 4.2.2
baseband msm8960pro_bp_2323.020.90.00r
kernel 3.4.42.-xline.
system version 139.14.1
build 13.9.0q2.x-116-mx-17-57-1
i did a fair amount of searching but could not find the proper instructions for obtaining root access for the moto x. Need root access or this device would be a deal breaker.
Can someone point me to a link? I would be much appreciated. Thanks Listers!!!
You must of not even attempted to do any real looking. This forum is not that large for the Moto X and there is plenty of information for you to see.
1) you have a sprint phone so you can unlock the Bootloader, install TWRP, get root no matter the Android version
2) there is a clearly titled post in one of the subforums that will tell you how to get root
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You must of not even attempted to do any real looking. This forum is not that large for the Moto X and there is plenty of information for you to see.
1) you have a sprint phone so you can unlock the Bootloader, install TWRP, get root no matter the Android version
2) there is a clearly titled post in one of the subforums that will tell you how to get root
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I did search the web and the forums; I'm sorry. it was a long day, i had just purchased the phone and wanted to make sure i didn't brick it. I have rooted/jailbroken several other devices but wanted to know if the latest ota update would cause a problem for that.
Again, I'm sorry for for the excess forum baggage.
I'll try again.
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You must of not even attempted to do any real looking. This forum is not that large for the Moto X and there is plenty of information for you to see.
1) you have a sprint phone so you can unlock the Bootloader, install TWRP, get root no matter the Android version
2) there is a clearly titled post in one of the subforums that will tell you how to get root
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that simple? i have the tmobile version with an unlocked bootloader but i been looking for ways to root it and i have not been able to do it, so you saying that if i install TWRP that would obtain root automatically?
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that simple? i have the tmobile version with an unlocked bootloader but i been looking for ways to root it and i have not been able to do it, so you saying that if i install TWRP that would obtain root automatically?
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I read where a previous method of rooting (pwnmoto or whatever) was shut off by the latest ota.
Please help a new guy out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487635
this thread is what I found. Please advise if this is the correct method. Thank you all, and sorry if I'm wanting to be sure I'm doing the right thing.
Thanks listers...I do very much appreciate any help.
bullpen7979 said:
I read where a previous method of rooting (pwnmoto or whatever) was shut off by the latest ota.
Please help a new guy out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487635
this thread is what I found. Please advise if this is the correct method. Thank you all, and sorry if I'm wanting to be sure I'm doing the right thing.
Thanks listers...I do very much appreciate any help.
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ownmoto or whatever?? um... ok... I can tell you haven't browsed the different sections for the Moto X here or you would have seen in the "Moto X Original Android Development" section that its called "PwnMyMoto"
Brokenwall gave you a way to root your sprint device, no matter what stock rom you're running... OTA updates or not. Granted unlocking your bootloader voids your warranty... and he didn't give you a 100% newbie step by step guide which it now seems you were really looking for.
Also in the Moto X Original Android Development is a thread titiled... "[Root] RockMyMoto (Yes, even the first OTA)" which is pretty obvious as to what it is for. If you took a few minutes to read it, you'd know it is what you want if you don't want to unlock your bootloader. Its not a very long thead (141 posts currently) so it wont take long to read. The original post contains everything you need, except how to make sure you have Telnet as part of your Windows install (there are posts in that thread later that say what to do to enable/install Telnet as a Windows Feature inside Add/Remove Programs).
Sorry, if I come across as harsh. I know you just want to root without screwing up your phone, and I get that. But I'm afraid if you haven't been able to look around and find this stuff, you'll likely not be able to properly follow and understand the instructions and will therefore stand a good chance of messing up your phone!!!
OK. I am sorry about the post. I know I'm at the mercy of the forum here.
I was up till 2 am getting this phone unlocked, but when I installed wireless tether it said I was not rooted.
Had to install sdk, get a long unlock code, etc.
Evidently I have yet to attain root access, but its not as though I"m not trying.
I have done rooted/jailbroken a couple times before with my htc evo/iphone, and am fairly computer literate, but I just can't hash this out.
I read this thread, but could not quite make out the steps. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509590., The video has no sound, which makes it a little more difficult.
I have also read about an OTA on 10/7 or so that patched some of the root methods, so, at the risk of getting put in my place, I'm humbly coming to ask for assistance in helping get my phone rooted.
Again, I'm sorry for being stuck here and having to ask the question. I would greatly appreciate the assistance of someone who can speak to my specific situation.
Thank you and regards to those who can help.
Bull
bullpen7979 said:
OK. I am sorry about the post. I know I'm at the mercy of the forum here.
I was up till 2 am getting this phone unlocked, but when I installed wireless tether it said I was not rooted.
Had to install sdk, get a long unlock code, etc.
Evidently I have yet to attain root access, but its not as though I"m not trying.
I have done rooted/jailbroken a couple times before with my htc evo/iphone, and am fairly computer literate, but I just can't hash this out.
I read this thread, but could not quite make out the steps. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509590., The video has no sound, which makes it a little more difficult.
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The steps taken in the video are exactly explained in the post.
There are a few assumptions.. 1. Your PC has telnet on it, or you know how to install it. (there is a link further in that thread which Windows users can follow. 2. You have ADB Driver and Platform tools from the AndroidSDK installed correctly on your PC, and Moto drivers installed. Again, there are threads on this already, so you'll have to find/follow them.
You could also try to follow this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47067076 however, it uses puttytel.exe instead of Telnet so it will look a little different. It too assumes you've properly installed ADB Driver and Platform Toos from the Android SDK along with the Moto drivers.
Another option is the "Tool Kit" -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477132 which is an "all in one" type tool that should set things up and help you too. I've not used it, but it appears to be a complete package including ADB and the drivers. Only thing would be if you want to use "Flash back to stock" you need to download the ROM file separately.
bullpen7979 said:
I have also read about an OTA on 10/7 or so that patched some of the root methods, so, at the risk of getting put in my place, I'm humbly coming to ask for assistance in helping get my phone rooted.
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Right now, there is the rom the phone shipped with. If you have that, you use PwnMyMoto process to root it. The "camera update" that was pushed over the air. If you have that, you use RockMyMoto. And as of yesterday, if you have Verizon X, there is KitKat which can not be rooted (unless your carrier allows you to unlock your phone's boot loader)
I tried the puttytel thread, but I kept getting a timeout like this guy did:
"After running cydia impactor I see a popup for a second that says payload and then it disappears. I then try to run puttytel but it just keeps failing with "network error: connection timed out"." That was the error I kept getting.
The other problem I am currently having is not being able to push files to my device because it doesnt show up as a drive letter. I have usb debugging enabled.
I would about paypal someone for some help at this point. Bummed. I just want my device rooted so I can send my daughter the one I promised here.
I tried the puttytel thread, but I kept getting a timeout like this guy did:
"After running cydia impactor I see a popup for a second that says payload and then it disappears. I then try to run puttytel but it just keeps failing with "network error: connection timed out"." That was the error I kept getting.
The other problem I am currently having is not being able to push files to my device because it doesnt show up as a drive letter. I have usb debugging enabled.
I would about paypal someone for some help at this point. I'd even accept remote assistance via logmein. Pretty bummed. I just want my device rooted so I can send my daughter the one I promised her.
I have no idea why this process has been so difficult this time around. I have rooted, downloaded & installed custom roms, etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2536200
Please help. I am out of ideas.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2536200
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Isn't this just for the verizon model?
Guys/Gals/Developers.... I'm really stuck, and would greatly appreciate some help.
I have read thru the threads.
I can't get my phone to be recognized as a drive. Only a camera. Yes, I installed usb mass storage from play store. No luck.
I can't push files to the root of the device.
I have to believe it can be done, I'm just not getting it for some reason.
I'm really sorry, as I have said in multiple posts. Like I said, I would paypal you a reasonable sum if one of the more experienced people out there want to remote in via logmein and help. I know that sounds lame. I'm normally a guy who likes to research it all himself and do this.
I'm normally the guy who helps other people with this stuff, but I just can't hash this out. I've spent the last three days of my free time reading, researching, trying to get the thing to connect as a drive so I can push files to it and run them via adb.. Even went so far as considering buying a wireless adapter to put the files there wirelessly. I'd try now but I'm exhausted. If you can help, please PM me and we can work out something if you are willing. Thanks to those who have suggested methods. I do appreciate your help. I have tried them all except the last kit kat method which I thought was just for Verizon. I'm with sprint. As tired as I am, I'm afraid to brick the thing. I'm very close to asking for a method to restore the phone and take it back. I really wanted wireless tether. I need it for work and to run the ipad on occasion. Sorry this was a long post/thread.
Sorry I'm not as quick as the rest of you. Just want a rooted phone and can't seem to get it done this time on my own.
Any suggestions?
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Isn't this just for the verizon model?
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No. That will work for any Moto X Developer Edition or Carrier edition with an unlocked boot loader. So T-Mobile, Sprint, etc.. If you can unlock your boot loader via -> https://motorola-global-portal.cust...e/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a/action/auth then you can root via this process.
bullpen7979 said:
Guys/Gals/Developers.... I'm really stuck, and would greatly appreciate some help.
I have read thru the threads.
I can't get my phone to be recognized as a drive. Only a camera. Yes, I installed usb mass storage from play store. No luck.
I can't push files to the root of the device.
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To get your phone to show up in windows as Drive Letter, needs USB Mass Storage mode. Ok, You've installed an app for that, fine... but 1. I'm not aware of that app working, and more importantly, 2. I am not aware of any root method in these forums that requires your phone to show as a "drive letter" to work. So I couldn't even begin to suggest what you are doing wrong.
What instructions are you actually trying to follow? Why not post questions on it in that particular thread, including exact details of what you've done, what you see on your phone, any/all errors or messages, etc.???
And if what you really want to do is tether with sprint, I hope you have checked out threads with suggestions on hacks/ways that work to tether on Sprint Moto X before you worry about rooting.
For example, if you want to remain non-rooted, FoxFi could possibly be an option. As I am a Verizon user and haven't used it, I can't say how well it works for Spint, and I can't say how well it works for Verizon, just that Verizon KK users say it doesn't work, but it did with the JB/4.2.2 roms..
KidJoe;
Thanks for your patience. I'm sorry about all of this. I have tried to be as clear as I can be, but I will redouble my efforts. Let me read clearly that last link and I will post back. I do want root access for all the other cool things it enables too, so I'm determined to get it right. I just want to be careful not to miss something and turn a decent phone into a paperweight.
That link you referenced is exactly what I used to unlock. When I reboot the phone, I get a white screen with a red exclamation point that says bootloader unlocked.
Fox Fi is a no go
Update. Just tried Foxfi. Does not work with current status of unlock but not rooted. I need root, but how does one copy files to the device via usb? I remember there being a setting.
I opened a new thread on this subject. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47740046#post47740046
Hope that's not against the rules. I really thing the failure is related to my inability (or ignorance of how to ) push files to the device.
Good gravy. This has eaten up WAY too much time.
Apparently its a mixed bag over at sprint. Some can some can't.
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234246

Backup app w/o root?

I've read that several applications (e.g. Carbon) claimed that it won't work on Motorola devices because something is broken by Motorola.
Can anyone comment? I am trying to do a backup before trying to root. Just trying a few backup-delete-restore does not provide enough confidence.
Thanks
redhonker said:
I've read that several applications (e.g. Carbon) claimed that it won't work on Motorola devices because something is broken by Motorola.
Can anyone comment? I am trying to do a backup before trying to root. Just trying a few backup-delete-restore does not provide enough confidence.
Thanks
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Carbon is now called helium backup and works fine with the Moto X even without root.
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk
linuxgator said:
Carbon is now called helium backup and works fine with the Moto X even without root.
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk
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Ah, I see. It says it requires a USB connection and desktop software. Does it back application data and restore like TB (something about restore the data for Google Play so that it can get updates)?
Thanks
redhonker said:
Ah, I see. It says it requires a USB connection and desktop software. Does it back application data and restore like TB (something about restore the data for Google Play so that it can get updates)?
Thanks
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I believe that it does backup and restore data. It requires the USB connection and desktop software only to initiate the backup. It actually backs the files and data up onto the phone's internal storage.
Tried Helium. It does work with desktop application running.
However, the result is not as good as TitaniumBackup. Some application does not seem to restore fully while others work.
redhonker said:
Tried Helium. It does work with desktop application running.
However, the result is not as good as TitaniumBackup. Some application does not seem to restore fully while others work.
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any specifics
km8j said:
any specifics
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A few app lost its settings. Nothing dramatic.
I've used Helium on a few occasions and it all failed to restore settings. The apps are: Go Power Master, JuiceDefender, Smart WiFi Toggler.
Is there anything I need to do on 4.4 to make this work?
I got the developer confirmation that Helium does not work on Moto.
Do we have any other options?
(With Helium) You also can't back up quite a few apps (e.g., AdAway, Spare Parts+, MLS Matchday, TripIt, etc.) so I had to root so I could use TiBu.
I doubt anything is as reliable and complete as titanium backup. But yes, you have to be rooted.
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kj2112 said:
I doubt anything is as reliable and complete as titanium backup. But yes, you have to be rooted.
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The problem now is that nothing really works for Moto X. (ADB backup claims to be but it's hard to manage -- cant' choose what to restore easily, for example).
Has anyone tried the below? Thanks
Ultimate Backup Tool
Holo Backup
redhonker said:
The problem now is that nothing really works for Moto X. (ADB backup claims to be but it's hard to manage -- cant' choose what to restore easily, for example).
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Not exactly sure what you mean? Unrooted? Then yes... Hard to get a proper backup.
Rooted, then there's lots of options. Again, TB being arguably the best.
Being a Moto x shouldn't have anything to do with it. Rooted, unrooted and OS version are the only factors.
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kj2112 said:
Not exactly sure what you mean? Unrooted? Then yes... Hard to get a proper backup.
Rooted, then there's lots of options. Again, TB being arguably the best.
Being a Moto x shouldn't have anything to do with it. Rooted, unrooted and OS version are the only factors.
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The thread is about backup without root. I've not seen a solution working for Moto X.
redhonker said:
The thread is about backup without root. I've not seen a solution working for Moto X.
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As I explained. It's not going to be easy.... Or even impossible. Without root... There are things that can not be backed up. That's not a Moto x issue, it's an Android issue. You need root for many things to backup.
Any unrooted solution will be half assed. That's just how Android is. About the best alternative to titanium backup is a nandroid. But you'd have to do it often or lose data from last backup. Again.... Root becomes the issue.
What I'm trying to say.... Is without root.... You can't make a decent backup.
As far as I know.
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kj2112 said:
As I explained. It's not going to be easy.... Or even impossible. Without root... There are things that can not be backed up. That's not a Moto x issue, it's an Android issue. You need root for many things to backup.
Any unrooted solution will be half assed. That's just how Android is. About the best alternative to titanium backup is a nandroid. But you'd have to do it often or lose data from last backup. Again.... Root becomes the issue.
What I'm trying to say.... Is without root.... You can't make a decent backup.
As far as I know.
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Agree that something will be missing from the backup without root. The difficulty for Moto X is that solution such as Helium does not work at all. The author has said the problem is on Motorola devices and Motorola needs to fix it. I don't think that's going to happen. So I think Moto X (or other Motorola devices) are in worse shape compared to other Android devices.
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Agree that something will be missing from the backup without root. The difficulty for Moto X is that solution such as Helium does not work at all. The author has said the problem is on Motorola devices and Motorola needs to fix it. I don't think that's going to happen. So I think Moto X (or other Motorola devices) are in worse shape compared to other Android devices.
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I think overall.... Keeping in mind that xda type people are an extremely small percentage of phone owners... Most people don't know about, or care about backing their phones up. And for people like us, that know and care.... Well generally... We're rooted. Most xda types root and flash this and that anyway. Most.... Not all.
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I used Helium Backup to move between Moto Xs just fine without root on either device. Certain apps don't support it but about 75% did and it worked great.
km8j said:
I used Helium Backup to move between Moto Xs just fine without root on either device. Certain apps don't support it but about 75% did and it worked great.
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Do you mean just the app or including settings? Could you give some examples that worked?
Thanks

[Q] Telus HTC Desire 510 - problems removing software from device

Hey,
Wondering if somebody could help me out. I purchased a Telus HTC Desire 510. The bootloader has been unlocked, TWRP installed, SuperSU root access. I installed Titanium Backup. I uninstalled system software such as Twitter, Facebook, services etc, and have noticed that when I restart the phone, the software comes back.
Can someone explain to me why the O.S. is doing this? It's Android kitkat. I have noticed in any file manager that it defaults to and emulated folder etc //sdcard/emulated. Also thinking it might have something to do with HTC software pre-installed //dumby proof backup software? In the past on any Android device, after unlocking and rooting I've never had this problem. Starting to fumble me...
Thanks
rcatania31_ said:
Hey,
Wondering if somebody could help me out. I purchased a Telus HTC Desire 510. The bootloader has been unlocked, TWRP installed, SuperSU root access. I installed Titanium Backup. I uninstalled system software such as Twitter, Facebook, services etc, and have noticed that when I restart the phone, the software comes back.
Can someone explain to me why the O.S. is doing this? It's Android kitkat. I have noticed in any file manager that it defaults to and emulated folder etc //sdcard/emulated. Also thinking it might have something to do with HTC software pre-installed //dumby proof backup software? In the past on any Android device, after unlocking and rooting I've never had this problem. Starting to fumble me...
Thanks
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Hi, unfortunately I cannot help you at the moment but I will try to look up your problem. In the mean time, can you please create a stock backup from your ROM and make it available. This would be very helpful for many of us how are working on the VM / Sprint version of this device. Thanks in advance.
moh19814 said:
Hi, unfortunately I cannot help you at the moment but I will try to look up your problem. In the mean time, can you please create a stock backup from your ROM and make it available. This would be very helpful for many of us how are working on the VM / Sprint version of this device. Thanks in advance.
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Hey,
Thanks for the reply. I created a backup with TWRP, approx. size 2.5GB unzipped in a folder a few days ago. I will try to get it online /zipped/compressed I geuss to a reasonable size.
I do see your VM/Sprint roms available. Unsure whether to try them as it's a different carrier? Telus runs on GSM LTE 4 1700/2100Mhz band 4. Could always revert back but I don't want to wreck the phone.
A great little phone. Still very new.
I see some roms say ''write protection removed'. Would this have something to do with the stock software coming back on boot? Ie . facebook etc. I always assumed having SU rights basically removes write protection. Who knows.
rcatania31_ said:
Hey,
Thanks for the reply. I created a backup with TWRP, approx. size 2.5GB unzipped in a folder a few days ago. I will try to get it online /zipped/compressed I geuss to a reasonable size.
I do see your VM/Sprint roms available. Unsure whether to try them as it's a different carrier? Telus runs on GSM LTE 4 1700/2100Mhz band 4. Could always revert back but I don't want to wreck the phone.
A great little phone. Still very new.
I see some roms say ''write protection removed'. Would this have something to do with the stock software coming back on boot? Ie . facebook etc. I always assumed having SU rights basically removes write protection. Who knows.
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Since there is no S-OFF for this device, you'll need a kernel with write-protection removed... That's why the apps you remove keep reappearing upon reboot.
Surj138 said:
Since there is no S-OFF for this device, you'll need a kernel with write-protection removed... That's why the apps you remove keep reappearing upon reboot.
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Thanks for the response. I went ahead and flashed the Cricket kernel on the device and it worked. Being a Telus device it seems to make no difference. I will check and make sure 4G LTE still works - if the kernel even has anything to do with it?
Glad this worked as there is a tonne of garbage on these phones that I'd like to get rid of. I might go ahead and try a custom rom - with the HTC software removed - as it seems to cause some issues when removing (htc software) from Titanium Backup.
Question as I'm curious- has anyone figured out a way to unlock the governor for the CPU/GPU. I think this config would be a prime candidate to mild overclocking.
rcatania31_ said:
Thanks for the response. I went ahead and flashed the Cricket kernel on the device and it worked. Being a Telus device it seems to make no difference. I will check and make sure 4G LTE still works - if the kernel even has anything to do with it?
Glad this worked as there is a tonne of garbage on these phones that I'd like to get rid of. I might go ahead and try a custom rom - with the HTC software removed - as it seems to cause some issues when removing (htc software) from Titanium Backup.
Question as I'm curious- has anyone figured out a way to unlock the governor for the CPU/GPU. I think this config would be a prime candidate to mild overclocking.
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Hi, I do not think so, but I am not 100% sure. So far, for Cricket Kernel with Write Protection Removed v1.0, Ondemand was set as default governor and all Stock Governors was Enabled.
rcatania31_ said:
Hey,
Wondering if somebody could help me out. I purchased a Telus HTC Desire 510. The bootloader has been unlocked, TWRP installed, SuperSU root access. I installed Titanium Backup. I uninstalled system software such as Twitter, Facebook, services etc, and have noticed that when I restart the phone, the software comes back.
Can someone explain to me why the O.S. is doing this? It's Android kitkat. I have noticed in any file manager that it defaults to and emulated folder etc //sdcard/emulated. Also thinking it might have something to do with HTC software pre-installed //dumby proof backup software? In the past on any Android device, after unlocking and rooting I've never had this problem. Starting to fumble me...
Thanks
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The TELUS device is GSM, so likely the Cricket Kernel with write-protection removed will help you. Look under Android Development for it.
Sorry all.. realized this was a solved thread.
Did you install a Write Protect removed Kernel/image? That could be the reason. By the way, would you happen to have a TWRP stock backup that you make available for us? We're trying to get the VM/Sprint variant running on a GSM network, but so far we have not been very successful.
rcatania31_ said:
Hey,
Wondering if somebody could help me out. I purchased a Telus HTC Desire 510. The bootloader has been unlocked, TWRP installed, SuperSU root access. I installed Titanium Backup. I uninstalled system software such as Twitter, Facebook, services etc, and have noticed that when I restart the phone, the software comes back.
Can someone explain to me why the O.S. is doing this? It's Android kitkat. I have noticed in any file manager that it defaults to and emulated folder etc //sdcard/emulated. Also thinking it might have something to do with HTC software pre-installed //dumby proof backup software? In the past on any Android device, after unlocking and rooting I've never had this problem. Starting to fumble me...
Thanks
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rcatania31_ said:
Hey,
Thanks for the reply. I created a backup with TWRP, approx. size 2.5GB unzipped in a folder a few days ago. I will try to get it online /zipped/compressed I geuss to a reasonable size.
I do see your VM/Sprint roms available. Unsure whether to try them as it's a different carrier? Telus runs on GSM LTE 4 1700/2100Mhz band 4. Could always revert back but I don't want to wreck the phone.
A great little phone. Still very new.
I see some roms say ''write protection removed'. Would this have something to do with the stock software coming back on boot? Ie . facebook etc. I always assumed having SU rights basically removes write protection. Who knows.
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Hi, I would like to check if you had some time to get your Telus TWRP backup online or not yet. Thanks in advance.
moh19814 said:
Hi, I would like to check if you had some time to get your Telus TWRP backup online or not yet. Thanks in advance.
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Ill do it if you are still looking for it

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