I've read that several applications (e.g. Carbon) claimed that it won't work on Motorola devices because something is broken by Motorola.
Can anyone comment? I am trying to do a backup before trying to root. Just trying a few backup-delete-restore does not provide enough confidence.
Thanks
redhonker said:
I've read that several applications (e.g. Carbon) claimed that it won't work on Motorola devices because something is broken by Motorola.
Can anyone comment? I am trying to do a backup before trying to root. Just trying a few backup-delete-restore does not provide enough confidence.
Thanks
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Carbon is now called helium backup and works fine with the Moto X even without root.
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linuxgator said:
Carbon is now called helium backup and works fine with the Moto X even without root.
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Ah, I see. It says it requires a USB connection and desktop software. Does it back application data and restore like TB (something about restore the data for Google Play so that it can get updates)?
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redhonker said:
Ah, I see. It says it requires a USB connection and desktop software. Does it back application data and restore like TB (something about restore the data for Google Play so that it can get updates)?
Thanks
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I believe that it does backup and restore data. It requires the USB connection and desktop software only to initiate the backup. It actually backs the files and data up onto the phone's internal storage.
Tried Helium. It does work with desktop application running.
However, the result is not as good as TitaniumBackup. Some application does not seem to restore fully while others work.
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Tried Helium. It does work with desktop application running.
However, the result is not as good as TitaniumBackup. Some application does not seem to restore fully while others work.
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any specifics
km8j said:
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A few app lost its settings. Nothing dramatic.
I've used Helium on a few occasions and it all failed to restore settings. The apps are: Go Power Master, JuiceDefender, Smart WiFi Toggler.
Is there anything I need to do on 4.4 to make this work?
I got the developer confirmation that Helium does not work on Moto.
Do we have any other options?
(With Helium) You also can't back up quite a few apps (e.g., AdAway, Spare Parts+, MLS Matchday, TripIt, etc.) so I had to root so I could use TiBu.
I doubt anything is as reliable and complete as titanium backup. But yes, you have to be rooted.
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kj2112 said:
I doubt anything is as reliable and complete as titanium backup. But yes, you have to be rooted.
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The problem now is that nothing really works for Moto X. (ADB backup claims to be but it's hard to manage -- cant' choose what to restore easily, for example).
Has anyone tried the below? Thanks
Ultimate Backup Tool
Holo Backup
redhonker said:
The problem now is that nothing really works for Moto X. (ADB backup claims to be but it's hard to manage -- cant' choose what to restore easily, for example).
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Not exactly sure what you mean? Unrooted? Then yes... Hard to get a proper backup.
Rooted, then there's lots of options. Again, TB being arguably the best.
Being a Moto x shouldn't have anything to do with it. Rooted, unrooted and OS version are the only factors.
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Not exactly sure what you mean? Unrooted? Then yes... Hard to get a proper backup.
Rooted, then there's lots of options. Again, TB being arguably the best.
Being a Moto x shouldn't have anything to do with it. Rooted, unrooted and OS version are the only factors.
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The thread is about backup without root. I've not seen a solution working for Moto X.
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The thread is about backup without root. I've not seen a solution working for Moto X.
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As I explained. It's not going to be easy.... Or even impossible. Without root... There are things that can not be backed up. That's not a Moto x issue, it's an Android issue. You need root for many things to backup.
Any unrooted solution will be half assed. That's just how Android is. About the best alternative to titanium backup is a nandroid. But you'd have to do it often or lose data from last backup. Again.... Root becomes the issue.
What I'm trying to say.... Is without root.... You can't make a decent backup.
As far as I know.
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As I explained. It's not going to be easy.... Or even impossible. Without root... There are things that can not be backed up. That's not a Moto x issue, it's an Android issue. You need root for many things to backup.
Any unrooted solution will be half assed. That's just how Android is. About the best alternative to titanium backup is a nandroid. But you'd have to do it often or lose data from last backup. Again.... Root becomes the issue.
What I'm trying to say.... Is without root.... You can't make a decent backup.
As far as I know.
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Agree that something will be missing from the backup without root. The difficulty for Moto X is that solution such as Helium does not work at all. The author has said the problem is on Motorola devices and Motorola needs to fix it. I don't think that's going to happen. So I think Moto X (or other Motorola devices) are in worse shape compared to other Android devices.
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Agree that something will be missing from the backup without root. The difficulty for Moto X is that solution such as Helium does not work at all. The author has said the problem is on Motorola devices and Motorola needs to fix it. I don't think that's going to happen. So I think Moto X (or other Motorola devices) are in worse shape compared to other Android devices.
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I think overall.... Keeping in mind that xda type people are an extremely small percentage of phone owners... Most people don't know about, or care about backing their phones up. And for people like us, that know and care.... Well generally... We're rooted. Most xda types root and flash this and that anyway. Most.... Not all.
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I used Helium Backup to move between Moto Xs just fine without root on either device. Certain apps don't support it but about 75% did and it worked great.
km8j said:
I used Helium Backup to move between Moto Xs just fine without root on either device. Certain apps don't support it but about 75% did and it worked great.
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Do you mean just the app or including settings? Could you give some examples that worked?
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Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
Yes you should root it if you want to use usb-otg. I decided not to root mine on day one and now I'm looking for a method that won't erase everthing on my device. So if you see yourself needing that in the future do it now rather than later .
shemsha said:
Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
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This is a Nexus device which makes to easy to root and unroot..
If an OTA comes out you can be unrooted and back stock in a matter of minutes..
Oddly, I have had no reason or desire to root my N7 and I even put my GNex back stock...
If you do root, do it before you install all kinds of stuff. You have to reset to root. Not sure how the Google credit works, but you might want to register the device, get the credit, then root. Just in case.
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I was reluctant to root or not. CM10 is only a preview, other roms not much better than stock, I don't need OTG, so why root? For one crucial app: TITANIUM BACKUP. When you unlock and root everything is wiped!
My suggestion is unlock the bootloader right away since that part wipes data, then root when (and if) you decide to download an app that needs root access.
Easier to Root now rather than later. Rooting requires you to wipe losing all apps and settings.
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Yes. First thing I always do on a Nexus device is unlock and root. It's just as easy to lock it again and flash the stock rom if ever needed.
I would unlock the bootloader at a minimum, before you set anything up, as that action will wipe data. If you decide to root later on you'll be in great shape.
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Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
I rooted mine using the One click root tool, very easy.
Got to be worth it to install ad block and sixaxis.
Like others have said, at the very minimum, unlock the bootloader (a prerequisite for rooting) right away. If you decide to unlock it later you'll have to wipe the device.
Absolutely. Just make sure you bookmark (in the cloud) how to unroot before you root (including restoring stock bootloader). It would also be smart to read what issues other folks have had, and what they did to solve their problems. (In short, always have a concrete, detailed exit plan before you start something.)
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Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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That is an excellent point I am very anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
shaneydroid said:
Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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clago87 said:
That is an excellent point I anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
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Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
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Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
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I am actually glad to be at work for once. I am very easily swayed and am ready to unlock and root lol. I have read all the info on it and it does not seem too much of a burden compared to my atrix
I'm kind of confused, do I unlocked the bootlocker first or install 4.1.1 updates?
If I install then unlock, would the updates be gone?
Would I be able to update even after unlock and root?
i rooted even though i had already installed apps etc... its very handy to be able to use external storage and apps like titanium backup.. i dont really intend installing customs roms.. but the otg support was enough to warrant rooting for me
You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
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You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
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Yep was just about to say this, picked this method up in the OneX forums, life saver
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I'm very interested in this device but since I'll be purchasing through ATT and the bootloader is currently locked could someone check and see if helium app backup/restore works without root on this device?
it'll be the first time I buy a device before it's rooted and moving my app data is pretty important for me. Titanium backup is currently something I can't use if I move to this device.
It works.
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It works.
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Thank you. Pretty sure this is my next device.
It's a pain to use compared to tibu
gunnyman said:
It's a pain to use compared to tibu
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Yeah, i've got both on my device as of now, but since I won't be crack flashing, as long as I can get it there i can cross my fingers for root down the road.
I found it didn't back every thing up.
Just replying here in case someone else finds this thread looking for more information.
My wife just got the Rogers Moto X (XT1058). Using the drivers suggested by the Helium app didn't work, even after a reboot. I downloaded the Motorola Device Manager directly from Motorola's Canadian website (no clue if the US one is the same).
Motorola Device Manager (Drivers)
After installing on Windows 8.1 and without even rebooting, Helium was enabled successfully when the phone was in Camera (PTP) mode.. Hope this helps someone!
pqee said:
Just replying here in case someone else finds this thread looking for more information.
My wife just got the Rogers Moto X (XT1058). Using the drivers suggested by the Helium app didn't work, even after a reboot. I downloaded the Motorola Device Manager directly from Motorola's Canadian website (no clue if the US one is the same).
(link removed because I'm a noob)
After installing on Windows 8.1 and without even rebooting, Helium was enabled successfully when the phone was in Camera (PTP) mode.. Hope this helps someone!
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Thanks for that - I'm in the US but your Canadian link worked like a charm
Hello there.
so I'm plannin on getting moto x from verizon and have a few questions.
So I can root my moto x using this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598679
but what do I do after? Install SuperSU? CWM app? How do I get recovery menu and what's the purpose?
Sorry for so many question, I've been reading a lot and its a ton of information. So if anyone could simply explain it to me, that would be great.
thnx in advance.
Rooting your phone just lets you do what you want with your phone whether it's tethering and using hotspot for free or changing the theme, if you don't want to do any of that then you don't even need to root, for a beginner I wouldn't root your phone until you want to do something that requires root
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I'd say if you don't know then you don't need it right now. Play around with your phone and get to know it. Feel her out. You'll find some things you want to change, or get rid of. When you get to that point, then you'll need root.
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I've been using android in the past for a short period of time, but I guess that doesnt count. So I want to root my future moto x for example, I want to get rid of those Verizon stock apps, cuz I wont be using those. And like to freeze the OTA updates. And just explore what I can do wit it, since its an open source OS.
Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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yes thats right tibu does need root since your looking to freeze/uninstall system apps. And as far as recoveries, there is a workaround called safestrap which is based off of TWRP that uses "rom slots" Im not entirely sure how it works though, probably someone more knowledgeable about that can chime in.
Dear all. I am trying to restore, due to Titanium Backup Pro halting while integrating system updates into rom (I'll never do that again). Because of me doing that, the Google framework was the app that was reintegrating... thus my entire phone was soft-borked. I am trying to restore, but every time I run either the commands listed here and the Moto X Toolkit 1.3.4. Both result in sitting at this point in an infinite loop (waited 20 minutes each time):
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Please tell me my phone is not bricked. I just bought the thing, and I made a quick decision to try integrating system updates, which had no problem on my old phone. And I take it that my protection plan does not cover this, even though my phone is a VZW Dev Edition. They would count it as my fault by unlocking the bootloader, wouldn't they? I would think that the warranty at this point still covers things like cracked screens (which I wanted), but not things that are my fault.
I have 4.4 KitKat installed.
Edit: It also sits here indefinitely sometimes:
INDEFINITELY SOMETIMES (lol - makes so much sense)
CartlandSmith said:
Have you tried flashing 4.4 sbf firmware using RSD Lite? Try flashing the 4.4 sbf firmware using RSD Lite first.
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Didn't realize there was such a thing. I was relying strictly on Google. Thanks, I'll try.
Edit: Lol.... so that's what an SBF is.. I had no idea it was practically the same package.
Edit: Apparently my phone must be bricked. It says "Connected", but can't read any version information. :
Screenshot Edit: NVM... used wrong XML.
It's flashing now. And....FINALLY!!! It continued!
Phone is booting now! Thanks so much.
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And that is the beauty of RSD Lite - it won't let you flash the wrong XML!
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Apparently that XML in that post doesn't erase userdata or customize. I needed this because of my Google services framework problem (apparently my backup was deleted from TiBu, and it was already integrated into the rom...again, never doing that again), so I added the entries to the XML. Phone is first-time booting, and the wizard showed up at boot.
Thanks again.
Never....ever....ever restore system apps with titanium backup...or any app. You've seen why.
I'm sure you know...but others reading this. Never.
Ever. Lol
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kj2112 said:
Never....ever....ever restore system apps with titanium backup...or any app. You've seen why.
I'm sure you know...but others reading this. Never.
Ever. Lol
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But what about reintegrating the system app updates that are downloaded from the market? They normally can't replace the system app, because the system partition is write-protected (of course). TiBu has an option to reintegrate these into the system partition.
I have an update trying to install itself, but it fails in all ways, even when trying from the PC software. It doesn't say why it fails, but it may be because I'm unlocked or rooted. Also I can't seem to block checking for updates, it comes back time and time again, and has during the last two weeks. Is there a way to kill this stuff?
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I have an update trying to install itself, but it fails in all ways, even when trying from the PC software. It doesn't say why it fails, but it may be because I'm unlocked or rooted. Also I can't seem to block checking for updates, it comes back time and time again, and has during the last two weeks. Is there a way to kill this stuff?
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It will fail if you are rooted or unlocked. You can of course uninstall the software update app. It worked on the old z3 but take backup before doing so
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Thanks! I see. I can understand the rooted part, but unlocked? That's just dumb, to stop upgrades from an unlocked phone. So I used Titanium Backup to freeze it, and we'll see if that helps.
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Thanks! I see. I can understand the rooted part, but unlocked? That's just dumb, to stop upgrades from an unlocked phone. So I used Titanium Backup to freeze it, and we'll see if that helps.
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It should also warn you that you will not receive updates when unlocking the bootloader. It has always been like that with Sony, all the drm and stuff needs to be intact
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Thanks, but it wouldn't have stopped me anyway. I will not use a locked/unrooted phone. I want my Titanium Backup, Root Explorer, Air Audio and a few other niceties that needs root.