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Backlight turns on, then after delay, message or call arrives

Hi everyone,
I've searched the forums through Google extensively trying to find out if anyone else is having the same problem that I am, but haven't been able to find any related threads.
I'm using the ATT Tilt with Dutty's WM6 ROM and the .17 radio -- I've noticed that when a text message arrives and my phone is in standby with the screen off, the backlight will turn on and then about 3-5 seconds later, the actual text message will show up on the screen or the call will show up...
I'm not sure if others are experiencing this and if anyone has a solution to it -- its not the end of the world if I have to live with it, was just hoping maybe someone else experienced the same thing and had found a solution...
Thank you very much!

Gas Addict said:
Hi everyone,
I've searched the forums through Google extensively trying to find out if anyone else is having the same problem that I am, but haven't been able to find any related threads.
I'm using the ATT Tilt with Dutty's WM6 ROM and the .17 radio -- I've noticed that when a text message arrives and my phone is in standby with the screen off, the backlight will turn on and then about 3-5 seconds later, the actual text message will show up on the screen or the call will show up...
I'm not sure if others are experiencing this and if anyone has a solution to it -- its not the end of the world if I have to live with it, was just hoping maybe someone else experienced the same thing and had found a solution...
Thank you very much!
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I have this too....I don't really mind though. I see it light up on my desk, look down, and watch my email/message appear.
I'm on Dutty's v4 and .11

Same experience here.
As long as this isn't the case with telephone calls, I can live with it
Having a 5 second delay on answering a phone call could make you miss the call...

dont really se the problem tbh, the phne wakes up when it starts receiving the message and then notifies you when its arrived - the lag you observe must be simply he time it takes to download the message?

Happens to me every time. I see my phone light up, and know I'm getting a message. When I get a call it lights up and instantly shows who's calling.

I agree this isn't so much a problem. I see it as FAD (Functioning As Designed).
See what happens is the Tower Sends a signal to the Phone saying (Incoming Call/Message Heading your way). It Wakes Up checks its Registry for What you set your Ringtone as. Tower passes the Call and It Rings. You Hit the Green Phone and You are connected YAY!
Now Messages are a tad different. The Phone wakes up looks for what your Message Alert Tone is. Tower Passes the Message. The Phone saves it, makes it into a readable format (If you have Threaded SMS adds it to the proper thread) and Notifies you that all is ready.

Same here, I like it. I can pick up the phone before it makes sound and have the phone already in my hand when the msg is showing up.

no different than when my non-3g phones would start chattering with the pc speakers a few seconds before an incoming call or message.

same here
i see no problem in this

snathanb said:
no different than when my non-3g phones would start chattering with the pc speakers a few seconds before an incoming call or message.
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I loved that!
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OT but... iPhone users are suing apple over that btw b/c it's blowing out their expensive home theater speakers. (no shielding due to thin design = DUCKA-DUCK-DUCKA-DUCK instead of ducka-duck-ducka-duck)

Sleuth255 said:
OT but... iPhone users are suing apple over that btw b/c it's blowing out their expensive home theater speakers. (no shielding due to thin design = DUCKA-DUCK-DUCKA-DUCK instead of ducka-duck-ducka-duck)
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Nuh uh. Lol, when I had my iPhone I had no chattering at all, only on crappy speakers.

Sleuth255 said:
OT but... iPhone users are suing apple over that btw b/c it's blowing out their expensive home theater speakers. (no shielding due to thin design = DUCKA-DUCK-DUCKA-DUCK instead of ducka-duck-ducka-duck)
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Yes I had a friend who went to the dark side and had a iPhone It was indeed LOUD. Never thought of suing Apple for it.
~~Tito~~ said:
Nuh uh. Lol, when I had my iPhone I had no chattering at all, only on crappy speakers.
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Well Think about that statement how many iPhone users are smart? Most are trend followers and don't know much about speakers probably got sold to them by some "winner" at Big Buy.

I have the same problem.

on mine too, but only for messaging.

Same problem for messaging and calls. I pretty think this glich is for all HTC phones. Seen this on HTC touch too.

I've had many different PDA phones over the last five years and used many different cooked ROMS (starting off with the original WM2003) and this has always been the normal behavior. Must be by design.

Hmm, I dunno if its about being by design as much as it has to do with the fact that from wakeup to showing the message it takes much longer on a complex PDA than it does on a simple phone with no complicated programs or settings in it.
IMHO it seems that because of all the bulk of software running on a PDA with an OS and all, it just isn't as efficient at doing simple small tasks as a regular non-PDA phone is....which I guess is the price we pay for carrying little computers in our pockets rather than a simple phone.

Gas Addict said:
Hmm, I dunno if its about being by design as much as it has to do with the fact that from wakeup to showing the message it takes much longer on a complex PDA than it does on a simple phone with no complicated programs or settings in it.
IMHO it seems that because of all the bulk of software running on a PDA with an OS and all, it just isn't as efficient at doing simple small tasks as a regular non-PDA phone is....which I guess is the price we pay for carrying little computers in our pockets rather than a simple phone.
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I would agree with that statement. My wife's razr lights up and rings instantaneously...but has the functionality of my big toe.

Alright Lets Put an End to this. this ISN'T a PROBLEM. Its how Phones Work If they are "asleep" or not in "Full Operation Mode" then it must "Wake" to fully operate the processes that are needed to do what it is asked. Start a Call, Receive a message, etc etc.
And just FYI, My Old V3 Razr would Turn on The Front screen a couple seconds before I received a message or a call.

Sony liveview

Anyone got the Sony liveview? I ordered it from play.com but its not arrived yet will post my comments here
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No not yet i will get one after crimbo
What i do have is a Sony bluetooth watch same as a liveview as such and it works very well on the streak
Give us a few pics and a write up when it arrives if you don't mind

I have one
I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob

Some question:
1. Does the watch alert me instantly if gmail email, sms, call arrives?
2. Can I read my gmail emails on the watch?
if yes, this email marks as read after reading on the PDA?
3. When more emails come, is there any repeated aalert functon?
4. What about the battery usage of the app?
5. Is there any widget?

robroy90 said:
I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob
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Thanks for that think i will stick to my MBW-150 With Open Watch great program for the watch

lufc said:
Thanks for that think i will stick to my MBW-150 With Open Watch great program for the watch
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Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?

deekdeek said:
Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?
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It shows who is calling.
it vibrates not beeps.

deekdeek said:
Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?
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It Does
- Start on boot
- Call notification (name or number)
- Silent/reject incoming call
- SMS notification (name or number and text preview)
- MMS notification
- Media player control (play/pause, next/previous track, volume up/down)
- Music info (track and artist)
- Gmail notification (sender and subject)
- K-9 mail notification (sender and subject)
- Calendar notification (time and event name)
- Alarm notification
- IM notification (Mundu IM - sender and text preview, Hi AIM/MSN/Yahoo)
- Display number of unread SMS+MMS, Gmail, missed calls, battery
- Ability to Silence ringer on incoming call
- English, Russian, Greek, German, Swedish, Norwegian, French, Czech fonts
- Slovak, Polish accents stripping
- Any language support for mail/sms/music/appointment (Chinese, Japanese, Korean...)
- English, German and Czech localization (contact me if you want to translate the text or improve it)
- Notification bar icon
If you use Openwatch great program for the mbw-150

Sounds awsome i might grab one.
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I have received the LiveView via an Australian online reseller, and although it can pair with my Archos 70 running Android 2.2, I can't find the LiveView application in Market. I have searched for about a week using different versions of the name -- it doesn't show up at all. I have found and downloaded the plugins for Gmail, etc. but all useless unless I have the main app. Even when I use the LiveWare Manager and it asks me to download LiveView from Market it still can't find it. I live is Australia, so is this a location issue? Can someone help me out here? Can this app be sideloaded from somewhere else? The LiveView is pretty useless without it...

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robroy90 said:
I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob
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New firmware update in January might help you out?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-ericsson-liveview-getting-much-needed-january-update/

Crikey maybe mine getting lost in the post was a god send. Might tryagain if they are in the sale
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it's easy to get.

Andrew de Quincey has some technical details on the LiveView (You'll have to Google his name as I'm too new to post links).
According to him, the protocol is pretty simple, so tossing the original Sony implementation into the garbage and starting over shouldn't be too hard. Then again, this is a guy who figured out how to write Kindlets without the KDK

liveview
i currently own a liveview with the update they did back in January. so far works perfectly no disconnect issues and real time updates very handy gadget has saved me from fumbling for my phone so many times

Well I got one.......eventually!....damn you play.com
Well its not too bad....some details
@Size - its quite thick and would be better if it was thinner. But not so thick its a problem/eyesore.
@strap - is an elasticated black Velcro affair. Not that sturdy but ok. Ibam looking to replace the strap with something wider and more robust/stylish. Negative is that the liveview can pop out of its holder if bashed hard enough. It doesnt need to be that hard. The problem is thst you can lose it this way. Mist times I dropped it it stayed in the sleave of my coat Alternatively there is a clip.
@operation - pretty simple.
Turn it on. Pair with phone. Then connect with liveview app on phone. Go into settings to connect twitter/facebook/plugins etc.
Notifications vibrate on your wrist.
To look at notifications then press button twice (First press gives you the time). To scroll press the outer part of the display. Not great way to navigate but it works. Buttons would prob be better.
@connectivity - the update has improved connectivity significantly. Before it was pretty much unusable. It still loses connection every now and again but at a managabke level.(although I have noticed djsteve rom 1.7 onwards has made it worse.
@battery life - since the update I get a days life, often more. It depends on how many disconnects you get. However the battery level indicator needs some work, it shows full when it isn't and the only time it doesn't show full is when it shows 3/4 which indicate its almost out of charge.
@screen and menu - this is not so great. The icons don't fill out the screen. They look washed out in appearance.
@general - i bought this not expecting too much, but as an investment in something that will improve on the next generation. In its current incarnation is ok, and I certainly don't regret buying it and when its connected I find its notifications very useful. I also use it as a watch, so for £50 its not a bad accessory.
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robroy90 said:
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying
-Rob
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Thus isn't true. To charge you just pop the watch out of the strap then plug in the charger. However this is the one design fault that means many of these will get lost.
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I broke down and ordered one using a some Amazon gift card $$$ I had. The TL;DR is: Cool concept, so-so implementation, wouldn't buy it again at more than $40.
What really ticked me off was that the official LiveView Facebook plugin asks for a boatload more rights to your account than it really needs. IIRC, it wants the ability to write to your wall and read your data any time. There's a Gmail plugin, but it's third party and I'm not sure I really want to put my Gmail credentials into something provided by an unknown third party.

I must say.. trust SE to come up with such crap.. don't get me wrong.. I think their devices are good to decent.. however Liveview is just HORRIBLE.. bluetooth dc almost every few hours and doesn't get reconnected back.. Make is kinda plasticky and the frame holder is not tight enough. I believe a normal knock on a busy subway would detach the device. I only used it for less then 2 weeks and I gave up on it.. its still in my drawer rotting away coz i dun even think its right to sell it off to anyone.
If you want a good watch for ID or alert purposes, I would say SE MBW-150 is the best.. only thing now is if you can find it.. I wouldn't recommend any second hand for this unless you can check on it physically prior to purchase.. make sure the LCD is still bright.. I'm on the second MBW-150.. LCD on the first one already dimed out till unreadable after more than a year.
I'm currently also on another inPulse watch. Got it for few weeks now. Its not great but I'd say it has potential.. they just gotta make the battery life better and have better QC.. my first set was way faulty but at least support was prompt and they got me a good replacement.

New Sony Ericsson MN800 LiveView Bluetooth Remote Control - $19.99

http://goo.gl/oE620
Maybe someone would be interested. I remember people talking about it in the S3 forums. Don't know if it was good or not. What do you think?
$19.99!

Looks pretty cool especially for 20bux but seems kinda pointless like just another thing to carry around...but still cool if it was at a store id probably own it already haha

Someone needs to be the guinea pig and try this out. All the YouTube reviews are old and not done very well.
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Based on reading Amazon reviews (constant disconnects), the fact this is 2+ year old technology supporting Android 2.x and up and old BT standard, and the fact I have been in contact with MetaWatch guys (and also keeping up with Pebble smart watch updates) who work on this exclusively and still waiting on resolution from Google to address problems with Android 4.x and remote media connection - I would suggest it's not worth it. Another problem, companies wouldn't even care to send you a review sample for their old product, so it's not even worth contacting them.... Just my humble opinion.

Works great on note 2. $18 free shipping on ebay now. Awesome! Imho
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And it's micro usb so no extra charger needed. There's now open firmware, open app alternative, sony updated their app last week, lots of 3rd party apps (play store shows about a hundred). Wicked. At $18 the dev on this is going to explode!

Wow for $19 this is a great deal. Just pulled the trigger.
willfck4beer said:
Works great on note 2. $18 free
shipping on ebay now. Awesome! Imho
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And it's micro usb so no extra charger needed. There's now open firmware, open app alternative, sony updated their app last week, lots of 3rd party apps (play store shows about a hundred). Wicked. At $18 the dev on this is going to explode!
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There's a plug in for this so that Torque can use it as a screen. Best app ever.

plemen said:
Wow for $19 this is a great deal. Just pulled the trigger.
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Yeah...that's what I thought too when I purchased it last year for $30 from expansys .com
Return/Cancel it if you can. The device never worked properly when it was first released...the Sony App had issues with Android 2.x Gingerbread ,and still doesn't work correctly with any newer version of Android.
The device has to be connected via bluetooth to function. If you are not connected to BT, it will not even display the TIME!!!! Main issue is that the device fails to reliably connect to your phone. Some times it will connect...but most of the time not. There are work around instructions on XDA...but connection issues still exist. Another work around if to always keep the app active...but that drains your battery.
In the even you get it connected to your phone....the plugins for the device are very basic...notifies you that you have a call, a sms, or email. You can see the subject of the email and kinda scroll through ur sms. But the device is more of a hassle than help. Device battery is not great...probably last max 1.5 days if you don't press/use it at all.
Sony released the updated version of this device the "sony smartwatch" msrp 150, but only now for $80...but that still has intrinsic issues. They are just dumping this at low prices before Apple & Samsung announce their "smartwatch" devices
Edit: willfck4beer posted that their is an openDev alternative app. This didn't exist when I owned the device..which is what my review is based off of. Maybe it's time for me to dig it out of my closet

acuratlsfan said:
Yeah...that's what I thought too when I purchased it last year for $30 from expansys .com
Return/Cancel it if you can. The device never worked properly when it was first released...the Sony App had issues with Android 2.x Gingerbread ,and still doesn't work correctly with any newer version of Android.
The device has to be connected via bluetooth to function. If you are not connected to BT, it will not even display the TIME!!!! Main issue is that the device fails to reliably connect to your phone. Some times it will connect...but most of the time not. There are work around instructions on XDA...but connection issues still exist. Another work around if to always keep the app active...but that drains your battery.
In the even you get it connected to your phone....the plugins for the device are very basic...notifies you that you have a call, a sms, or email. You can see the subject of the email and kinda scroll through ur sms. But the device is more of a hassle than help. Device battery is not great...probably last max 1.5 days if you don't press/use it at all.
Sony released the updated version of this device the "sony smartwatch" msrp 150, but only now for $80...but that still has intrinsic issues. They are just dumping this at low prices before Apple & Samsung announce their "smartwatch" devices
Edit: willfck4beer posted that their is an openDev alternative app. This didn't exist when I owned the device..which is what my review is based off of. Maybe it's time for me to dig it out of my closet
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my 2 cents:
-Latest firmware from Sony keeps watch functioning even if BT connection lost - so clock never flashes 0:00 as it used to.
Don't know why but Sony keeps this updated - just last week new app update.
-Latest firmware and Sony App seem to work great with Note 2, Evo 3d, Evo 4g across various flavors of Gingerbread, ICS, and Jellybean across HTC and Samsung - unrooted stock even... CM makes it incredibly solid connection.
Nonetheless, imho it is a very solid connection.
-3rd party apps are just constrained by imagination and devs. I'm seeing about 100 different plugin apps.
There seems to be a lot of app dev spawned by new sony smartwatch (while they are not compatible, I'm seeing a lot of apps that have been developed with minor modification and released on both devices simultaneously.)
-at $18 with free shipping, Dev is only going to continue - this thing runs a standard Chi-bios RT OS.
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willfck4beer said:
my 2 cents:
-Latest firmware from Sony keeps watch functioning even if BT connection lost - so clock never flashes 0:00 as it used to.
Don't know why but Sony keeps this updated - just last week new app update.
-Latest firmware and Sony App seem to work great with Note 2, Evo 3d, Evo 4g across various flavors of Gingerbread, ICS, and Jellybean across HTC and Samsung - unrooted stock even... CM makes it incredibly solid connection.
Nonetheless, imho it is a very solid connection.
-3rd party apps are just constrained by imagination and devs. I'm seeing about 100 different plugin apps.
There seems to be a lot of app dev spawned by new sony smartwatch (while they are not compatible, I'm seeing a lot of apps that have been developed with minor modification and released on both devices simultaneously.)
-at $18 with free shipping, Dev is only going to continue - this thing runs a standard Chi-bios RT OS.
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My favorite Apps right now:
Remote Camera (allows live view of camera --- and remote shutter release)
Espresso Watch 1 *** Sexy looking watch app
Espresso Watch 4 *** (Watch with brackground downloaded from imgur based on a keyword you specify e.g. "booty")
Fake call (perfect to get out of a conversation that is going on and on)
Confusion
Launcher (recreates your entire app drawer on liveview to selectively launch any app)
SmartChrome --- I set to "classic.slashdot.org"
POSVIEW -- shows your position on google maps
Liams map plugin -- shows position, but allows some better config options like nighttime, hackermode, ...
AH Watch - sexy watch faces
Contact Call
.txt reader liveview
SendSMS
Tell It
Live Watches
Answer-it
Timer
a007 spy app
Watch-Calendar
Light/liveview
Weatherview
Sun clock
Vibrate alarm

Is 4 hours battery life this true? Don't want to have to charge my watch everyday...

one80oneday said:
Is 4 hours battery life this true? Don't want to have to charge my watch everyday...
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Good question about 4 hour battery life. Is this max batt life even when idling? I mean, even if you don't access any apps, you still keeping BT sync connection so battery is draining. I can imagine that running additional apps will put more strain on the battery. Since this gadget is a few years old, it will not have the highest capacity in terms of what has been available back then. My new Blue Buds X have 8hr battery built into a tiny earpiece by itself. I'm just thinking this Sony device was ahead of its time. If they can re-release it now with updated hardware and support for all the latest BT standards that would have been great!

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Is 4 hours battery life this true? Don't want to have to charge my watch everyday...
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I think this depends on your duty cycle/usage YMMV
Some data points:
If I engage a program like remote camera viewer - where the processor, bluetooth, and screen are kept on at full blast uninterrupted... it seems the battery will die after about an hour.
If I'm using the watch to browse emails, txts, facebook, that periodically arrive, then the watch may go for 2 days.
If I've left the watch at a friends house on... but disconnected ... It's still been fine after 4 days IIRC.
I think this thing is prime for tweaking, underclocking?, reduced duty cycle, tweaked BT interractions, reduced polling frequency, oled screen tweaks, creative solar projects, battery upgrades, and the like to increase it's life. I'm working on a flexible, thin film solar band that will trickle charge this ***** constantly and/or a tiny coin-cell module to charge on the go.
I really think for $18 this thing is AWESOME and has so much potential - especially at the hands of the XDA Dev community.
I think one promising aspect is the open firmware being dev'ed... if this thing runs a standard Chi-bios RT OS... we could tweak the **** out of it. imho.
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Good question about 4 hour battery life. Is this max batt life even when idling? I mean, even if you don't access any apps, you still keeping BT sync connection so battery is draining. I can imagine that running additional apps will put more strain on the battery. Since this gadget is a few years old, it will not have the highest capacity in terms of what has been available back then. My new Blue Buds X have 8hr battery built into a tiny earpiece by itself. I'm just thinking this Sony device was ahead of its time. If they can re-release it now with updated hardware and support for all the latest BT standards that would have been great!
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Generally, I'll see two full days of usage before I have to charge.
"Power: Low usage, 1 week/ Typical usage, 3-4 days/ Heavy usage,1 full day"
But, as you said, this was released several years ago with old technology and the batterylife has been degrading while sitting in the factory, on the shelf, etc..
Perhaps we could simply extricate the old battery and replace with a new one? Perhaps one with a higher mah capacity?
There've been several tear downs and mods to the watch already and it seems relatively straight forward to open her up.
I've noticed that this thing has maintained a connection via bluetooth through a brick wall and spaced about 10 feet apart... as the power usage increases based on distance squared, perhaps the open firmware could allow the user to selectively set a more statistically representative transmit power/distance to go from wrist to phone through cotton vs. brick and 10ft. This might have tremendous power savings. imho. something as simple as "low power mode" vs. "high power mode."?
Sony advertises : "Bluetooth - up to 10m range" this seems like overkill for most use-cases.
As the screen is OLED, I believe that substantial savings can be had by programming an inverse color scheme to use primarily black and thus non-energized pixels.
Sony has released a new one - the smartwatch mn2 - but it's about $100 and doesn't have all that substantial of upgrades.
If you have cash to burn... the Motoactv seems a far superior investment at $150ish... in for a buck... in for a quarter?
But for me, I'm fascinated by what this guy (for less than twenty bucks) can already do and the potential it has once dev interest builds.

If we start looking into more advance options, might as well look into a more superior technology of Pebble or Metawatch smart watches?

vectron said:
If we start looking into more advance options, might as well look into a more superior technology of Pebble or Metawatch smart watches?
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imho none of those can touch the Motoactv... fullblown android, fullblown touchscreen...
But when you start talking advance technology... I believe we are talking $150 and up - about 10 times as much $$$ as the liveview.
When you factor in that liveview also has openwatch api support (in addition to all the native dev and reverse engineering efforts)... I think it's shortcomings are surmountable for $18.
I just got my flexible thin film solar watch band to deliver 59.6milliamps!!!! (on an overcast day) and it successfully charged my BT headset and seemed to accumulate charge in the liveview. If this is the case - we may be able to keep liveview running indefinitely while on your wrist with no need to take off and charge it!!!!
And the liveview can display boobies in full amoled color!!!
Im watch is $300!!!!!
Pebble is $150 and black and white only AND NOT REAL YET : "Preorder"????
both look bulky as hell!!! The Im does look awesome and love the gsm sim.
Liveview:
+standard micro usb port.... use phone charger.
+standard chibios RT OS
+full colour amoled display
+CHEAP
+Sony updates APP; has not deprecated... May30 2013 update with added feature;
+Sony updates firmware;
+Open liveview app reverse engineering effort active and functional
+Open firmware making progress
+CHEAP
+about 100 apps so far (including Solitaire or blackjack, Torque, remote camera control, remote music control, calculator, fake call ...)
+TINY
+imho XDA loves cheap/free. At this cost, we should send a couple to TeamWin or someone like Samsung did for CM7 and just let those fxuckers run wild with it.

link to solar watch band?

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I"m actually making the solar wrist band myself.
But this is the thin film I'm using:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thin-Film-L...675?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8132e5db
I'm getting promising results but nowhere near 420mA advertised.
After the voltage converter(2V to 5Vusb) on an overcast day... I'm getting about 59.6mA
WHICH is cool because to keep the old girl topped off, she only seems to be sipping 45mA to keep screen on the whole time at full brightness!!!!!!!!!!!!
Current usage in different operating states:
Full battery; NOT CHARGING:
.9ma OFF (LED,charge determination circuit?)
28ma ON, Disconnected, screen off
30ma ON, connected, screen off
36ma ON, connected, screen DIM
45ma ON, connected, screen FULL BLAST
70ma ON, connected, screen FULL, Processor FULL, BT FULL*** running remote camera view on full color, full update freq...
EMPTY BATTERY:
73milliamps draw when liveview is OFF and charging at substantially EMPTY battery;
90ma Standby no connection and charging;
96ma ON with Screen ON and charging;
94ma ON, connected, screen OFF
96ma ON, connected, screen ON.

OK, pulled a trigger for $19.99. As I was looking at the ebay seller who has it in bulk - I see messages pop up every 30 seconds about someone is buying it. For the full use with all the cool apps, battery life is not acceptable as a smart watch. I think it will be just a neat gadget to play around with. I'm very interested in that remote camera thing, like one of our baby monitors I guess. I assume everything works when you have it plugged in on a charger, you can still use apps? BTW, this is going to be my first gadget/accessory I have paid money for in the last 5 months, you really got my interest high!!!

My favorite Apps right now:
Remote Camera (allows live view of camera --- and remote shutter release)
Espresso Watch 1 *** Sexy looking watch app
Espresso Watch 4 *** (Watch with brackground downloaded from imgur based on a keyword you specify e.g. "booty")
Fake call (perfect to get out of a conversation that is going on and on)
Confusion
Launcher (recreates your entire app drawer on liveview to selectively launch any app)
SmartChrome --- I set to "classic.slashdot.org"
POSVIEW -- shows your position on google maps
Liams map plugin -- shows position, but allows some better config options like nighttime, hackermode, ...
AH Watch - sexy watch faces
Contact Call
.txt reader liveview
SendSMS
Tell It
Live Watches
Answer-it
Timer
a007 spy app
Watch-Calendar
Light/liveview
Weatherview
Sun clock
Vibrate alarm
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My favorite Apps right now:
Remote Camera (allows live view of camera --- and remote shutter release)
Espresso Watch 1 *** Sexy looking watch app
Espresso Watch 4 *** (Watch with brackground downloaded from imgur based on a keyword you specify e.g. "booty")
Fake call (perfect to get out of a conversation that is going on and on)
Confusion
Launcher (recreates your entire app drawer on liveview to selectively launch any app)
SmartChrome --- I set to "classic.slashdot.org"
POSVIEW -- shows your position on google maps
Liams map plugin -- shows position, but allows some better config options like nighttime, hackermode, ...
AH Watch - sexy watch faces
Contact Call
.txt reader liveview
SendSMS
Tell It
Live Watches
Answer-it
Timer
a007 spy app
Watch-Calendar
Light/liveview
Weatherview
Sun clock
Vibrate alarm
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Where do you search for all these apps? I tried on Google Play, but can't find a lot of it. Like Espresso watch?

Seriously?? Doesn't our phones have clocks on them? Aren't our phones capable of doing all of that? Just my 2 cents. Hey let me go buy a 4 door version of the car I already own

[Discussion] Do you like your Gear Live?

Thoughts on it, display in sunlight, battery life, handling of notifications, look/feel of it on your wrist..... basically anything to do with the watch!

i like it. granted that its a new class of its own, i still get confused especially when i get multiple notifications on an app (ie hangouts). its confusing where the group text starts or if im still being shown a private text..
the screen is kinda hard to read in direct sunlight but tilting it a bit or using a different watch face helps.
i like the feel of it.. i preferred this over the g watch coz of the added feature and the look.

I really like it; however, screen is difficult to see in sunlight at times; screen is also a smudge magnet which adds to difficulties in seeing the display outdoors.

Love it - compared to the sony smartwatch and the Galaxy Gear it really has great improvements. Only Day 2, but my initial thoughts:
Pros
- Look/feel - it is little large (I don't have big wrists) but still stylish.
- Screen: awesome that the clock is always on, this was my biggest gripe about the Gear
- Usefulness: I've spent time training Google Now, and that's really paid off. Notifications mean i take my phone out of my pocket a lot less, and Google Now surfaces reminders and other useful info pretty well (although you don't have a lot of control over the order of notifications etc). The fact that it syncs dismissed notifications on the phone immediately is, in a word, awesome
- Apps: early days yet on this, but most big apps I'm sure will integrate so you can do the key features easily
- Voice recognition works great so far
Cons
- No speaker means if you want to do stuff without looking at the screen with your voice, it's harder. But seems like something I can live with
- Charging dongle is kinda annoying to fit on, and have to remember to travel with
- Starting an app (say Fit) takes a few too many swipes (if you're in a place where you don't want to be speaking to your wrist...)
A lot of the other potential "cons" like not many watch face designs, no feature to locate your phone (I know there's an app for this though) I reckon will play out over time and Google can fix pretty quickly...
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, no feature to locate your phone (I know there's an app for this though) I reckon will play out over time and Google can fix pretty quickly...
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Take a look at this one for that: Wear Aware

i'm pleasantly surprised with how much i'm enjoying it.
my first full day with it will be tomorrow so i haven't taken it outside in the sunlight much yet, but checking email, counting steps, reading and replying to texts (i use evolve and it works great) is great and much more reliable and smoother than it was on my OG gear, and it's proving to be far more useful than my pebble.
the strap is actually quite comfortable and i'm glad i didn't buy a new strap before getting the watch.
the charging cradle, if you put it on tab side first it snaps in much easier. it's annoying but i haven't found it to be the spawn of lucifer as some people were screaming about it. treat it like part of a $200 gadget and it will be fine. mash it on like the hulk and it's going to break, it is plastic tabs after all.
i used it for about 7 hours today and it's now around 65% remaining. moderate use, but i def was clicking and swiping for no reason since it's new as well. i am pretty sure i'll have to charge it every night, but i don't sleep with a watch on and i charge my phone every night too, so i don't see it as being a big issue. my pebble lasted longer, but it would often die since i didn't have a set pattern on when to charge and would head out and a few hours later realize i had 20% left.
so in short, i'm happy, yes there are growing pains but those are the early adopter blues.

So far very please for what it can do. Regarding bot visible in sunlight, tell me what phone is visible in sunlight. None of them are great, only the kinfpdle due to the ink screen it has. I can wait till indoors or in shade. 9 more days testing and then deciding to keep or not. Off charging cradle at 6:30am today and as of this post still has 34% left. About the same as my previous Gear watch.
Ian B

The number of apps pouring in each day are a great sign for the platform as a whole. The Tizen gears were nothing like this.

Quick reply.... I like it. Had Nero, no comparison.

I've had a few issues and design factors that I'd like changed:
Hate the alarm mute icon. I would love to figure out a way to hide that on the clock face. Would make the watch look more watchie if you will.
Also would like to only wake the watch from the button vice touchscreen, or atleast an option to set that insettings.
Does anyone else find themselves open palming your watch to put it in hybernate?

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I pressed it against my forehead earlier because I was in bed and my other arm wasn't free.

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I pressed it against my forehead earlier because I was in bed and my other arm wasn't free.
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This really made me LOL

I'll be the lone wolf in the wilderness by bucking the trend and saying that I'm very disappointed with my Gear Live. I'm a gadget lover and really wanted to love this device. But I was far more enthusiastic about this thing before I actually received it. Once I had one, I quickly grew disappointed with it.
Out of the box, pairing with my Nexus 5 took multiple attempts. Once I finally did get it paired, only the stock apps would work. Any apps that I downloaded from the Play store would run on my phone but the watch interface would never show up (no matter how many times I tried to force the apps to sync via the Android Wear app or rebooted the watch).
Factory resetting the watch and starting again cleared up that problem but I still found the functionality of the watch to be quirky at best. Add to that the fact that the screen is virtually impossible to read outdoors, the lack of support for continuous heart rate monitoring, and the sudden dramatic drop in my Nexus 5's battery life (which cleared up after I uninstalled the Android Wear app).
Bottom line for me is that this isn't ready to replace my old fashioned watch. So until I read about some new killer Wear app that I can't live without, the Gear Live had gone back into its box to be stored away. I'm hoping that the software will mature quickly to a point where I can give it another try.

Does gear live suport sleep monitoring? Can it automatically figure out that user is cycling?
How good is the fitness tracking on it?
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Best Replacement for a Pebble 2?

I've always found myself explaining to people about how great the Pebble 2 is which many people never really knew about because it's not one of the more expensive and prestigious brands like an Apple Watch. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Tech Junkie and can afford whatever watch I want, but I'm also not one looking to pay a higher price just to wear something to impress people - I want good functionality, practicality and value. Nothing could match my Pebble 2. When I told people I only need to charge it once every 5-7 days, they are flabbergasted. Heart Rate Monitor? Check. HUGE selection of custom 3rd party apps. Check. Design your own custom watch face with dynamic stats (like temp, phone signal strength, etc.)? Check. Waterproof to the point you can swim with it on? Check.
All that, under $150? Check.
Now, my eyes have grown old and I can barely read the text messages that come through as it is a pretty small face. I don't NEED color - I prefer long battery life. So what's out there (I'm an Android Phone User) that people would say is the closest replacement that has a bigger screen? Maybe I just keep wearing my Pebble and wear trifocals all the time - no thanks.
My MUST haves are:
- Long battery life (no more than 2 charges per week are necessary)
- Waterproof (can swim in it)
- Heart Rate Monitor
- Large screen, but I'm not an NFL player so not too gigantic
Nice to haves but not MUSTS:
- SOME degree of customization (some 3rd party apps, custom watch screen design, etc.)
- Built in GPS (I really don't need this - I'm not a runner and my phone is always with me, so would rather avoid paying extra for it, but if I have to have it to get other stuff I must have then so be it.)
All I really need the watch to do is: tell me the date and time, show my text messages and notifications (with setting to increase default text size), track my fitness activities, and don't bug me about charging it every 1-2 days.

Only Garmin Watch

Amazfit bip, Stratos, pace

All Amazfit (bip Stratos....) have almost 0 connected feature, just basic notification a Weather wich works only sometime and nothing else. 0 connected app, so not really smartwatch, maybe just a poor tracker

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All Amazfit (bip Stratos....) have almost 0 connected feature, just basic notification a Weather wich works only sometime and nothing else. 0 connected app, so not really smartwatch, maybe just a poor tracker
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Can you give some examples of "connected features" you think that most users would find extremely useful in their daily lives? I've found with many devices, a lot of bells and whistles are just that, bells and whistles to brag about having and when you look at your actual use of the device, you find you really don't use those features.
For example, on my Pebble 2, I can reply to text messages both using canned text responses or voice transcription by talking into the watch. I've had the watch for like 3 years and I've used the text reply maybe two or three times and the voice transcription once. When I used it, I thought, "that was sort of cool." But then why didn't I ever use it again? Because it wasn't THAT useful considering 99% of the time I have my phone sitting next to me or in my pants or jacket pocket and talking to my watch I look like a complete DORK. I can just easily type the reply on my phone. The notification is what's important as sometimes I'm in another room, or have it in my jacket in a place I can't hear the notification or feel the vibration.
So I'm still quite interested in what "connected features" a Bip doesn't come with that are so useful?

In my pebble I add item to my shopping list every day with WunderVoice, I read my List on my pebble with WunderPebble : shopping, to do,........, I read my Google Task, I look every time at the moon location, I take quick note and view also memo quickly, I look at my next event calendar, I mark read my mail notification, I can select snooze 5,10, 30min or dismiss my event calendar, I use multiple timers for 25min, 30min, 35min, 40min to look at my grilled meat, I look my phone battery, I can set my phone to vibe or mute with my pebble , I start some task with tasker, I use multi counter to count different things.....
All this can be done with few click in 10s, in this time I have not the time to put my phone out my pocket

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In my pebble I add item to my shopping list every day with WunderVoice, I read my List on my pebble with WunderPebble : shopping, to do,........, I read my Google Task, I look every time at the moon location, I take quick note and view also memo quickly, I look at my next event calendar, I mark read my mail notification, I can select snooze 5,10, 30min or dismiss my event calendar, I use multiple timers for 25min, 30min, 35min, 40min to look at my grilled meat, I look my phone battery, I can set my phone to vibe or mute with my pebble , I start some task with tasker, I use multi counter to count different things.....
All this can be done with few click in 10s, in this time I have not the time to put my phone out my pocket
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With most all of that, shopping list, tasks, moon location, notes - can you explain what *specific benefits* there are to using your watch instead of your phone to input information (via keyboard or voice) and to read lists of information (considering the phone has a much bigger screen)? Why is using the watch so much better to do those things?

Easier and quicker

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All Amazfit (bip Stratos....) have almost 0 connected feature, just basic notification a Weather wich works only sometime and nothing else. 0 connected app, so not really smartwatch, maybe just a poor tracker
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Was not the main scope of the op

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Man, you must be beside yourself trying to figure out what to do with all that spare time the watch creates being so much quicker?

I just switched back from an Amazfit Pace to my Pebble 2 SE. Notifications just don't work reliably on the Amazfit, and all the fitness stuff is too much for me. I just want a geeky watch with working notifications. That's a Pebble 2 SE

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I just switched back from an Amazfit Pace to my Pebble 2 SE. Notifications just don't work reliably on the Amazfit, and all the fitness stuff is too much for me. I just want a geeky watch with working notifications. That's a Pebble 2 SE
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I've also returned my pace due to bad battery life and notification reliability. I'm using a BIP and the notifications are there in real time(using gadgetbridge like before with PTS) and it gives me a minimum of 4 WEEKS of battery life :highfive:
No single freeze or glitch since months, absolutely reliable for that price! Custom watchfaces easily made.

My 2nd Pebble 2 HR just died & I've been shopping to replace it, but havent found anything that does everything I need it to, or that my Pebble used to. I had upgraded to Rebble prior to their deaths, paid for voice and weather since Rebble was up. I had found some good sites to investigate: Smartwatch Series website lets you look at detailed valuations of specs and comparisons of many smartwatches.
Battery is one of my biggest anxieties, but glowing screens or timeouts also was a concern. I tried the Samsung Gear Sport, then the Samsung Galaxy Active 2, and although they had many great features and 2+ days of use between charges (Active 2 only) with comparable use-time to my pebble, the screen glowed if on all the time, and when I went swimming, the screen face would change unless I locked it before entering the water.
I settled with a compromise... I was able to get a new PowerWatch 2 Luxe edition (usually $699) for $400. Still, way to expensive, but, I get messages (no reply), health basics, always on LCD screen (no glow) with back-lit ability, Heat Rate and GPS, and NO CHARGING NEEDED. EVER. Solar and thermoelectric engine (backup wireless charging dock included just in case) keep it charged always. I can't do voice, can't customize my watch face, can't load apps (stopwatch and timer are there), and no weather.

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My 2nd Pebble 2 HR just died & I've been shopping to replace it, but havent found anything that does everything I need it to, or that my Pebble used to. I had upgraded to Rebble prior to their deaths, paid for voice and weather since Rebble was up. I had found some good sites to investigate: Smartwatch Series website lets you look at detailed valuations of specs and comparisons of many smartwatches.
Battery is one of my biggest anxieties, but glowing screens or timeouts also was a concern. I tried the Samsung Gear Sport, then the Samsung Galaxy Active 2, and although they had many great features and 2+ days of use between charges (Active 2 only) with comparable use-time to my pebble, the screen glowed if on all the time, and when I went swimming, the screen face would change unless I locked it before entering the water.
I settled with a compromise... I was able to get a new PowerWatch 2 Luxe edition (usually $699) for $400. Still, way to expensive, but, I get messages (no reply), health basics, always on LCD screen (no glow) with back-lit ability, Heat Rate and GPS, and NO CHARGING NEEDED. EVER. Solar and thermoelectric engine (backup wireless charging dock included just in case) keep it charged always. I can't do voice, can't customize my watch face, can't load apps (stopwatch and timer are there), and no weather.
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Interesting charging design maybe something for the future watches and prices will drop hopefully...

Why not just buy a brand new Pebble 2 on Ebay for low $100 range? You could by two of them, one for future, and save money while we all wait for someone to actually design a good watch for a good price, like the Pebble 2. The only thing lacking on the Pebble 2 is that it's not designer/fancy looking. Otherwise it is still by far the best bang for the buck - battery lasting nearly a week! Lots of apps and customizations. Puts these higher priced watches to shame in the flexibility of the functionality and battery life. But it's no status symbol that people want for their watch, unless you consider being an intelligent buyer a status symbol. LOL.

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Why not just buy a brand new Pebble 2 on Ebay for low $100 range? You could by two of them, one for future, and save money while we all wait for someone to actually design a good watch for a good price, like the Pebble 2. The only thing lacking on the Pebble 2 is that it's not designer/fancy looking. Otherwise it is still by far the best bang for the buck - battery lasting nearly a week! Lots of apps and customizations. Puts these higher priced watches to shame in the flexibility of the functionality and battery life. But it's no status symbol that people want for their watch, unless you consider being an intelligent buyer a status symbol. LOL.
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The problem when buying those pebbles: the battery is several years old and might not have a good capacity.
Actually I'm testing a Honor Magic Watch 2 and it's very good, actually one week usage with GPS and lots of calls and down to 49%:good:

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The problem when buying those pebbles: the battery is several years old and might not have a good capacity.
Actually I'm testing a Honor Magic Watch 2 and it's very good, actually one week usage with GPS and lots of calls and down to 49%:good:
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I read a review and it sounds promising if you can live without the ability to download apps.
My main question would be, on my Pebble, I can get notifications from all the apps on my phone and select which ones I want to get and which ones I don't want to get, so I'm not just limited to SMS and Email notifications. Can this watch do that, so for instance if the Amazon app displays a notification about a shipment on my phone, will it show on the watch?
Also wondering if a firmware upate fixed this...
"Talking of notifications, we found these to be a little buggy. Most of the time phone notifications came through to the device without issue, but now and then they didn’t come through until some time after they should have, and we also found some notifications came through to the watch multiple times, though we never worked out why."

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I read a review and it sounds promising if you can live without the ability to download apps.
My main question would be, on my Pebble, I can get notifications from all the apps on my phone and select which ones I want to get and which ones I don't want to get, so I'm not just limited to SMS and Email notifications. Can this watch do that, so for instance if the Amazon app displays a notification about a shipment on my phone, will it show on the watch?
Also wondering if a firmware upate fixed this...
"Talking of notifications, we found these to be a little buggy. Most of the time phone notifications came through to the device without issue, but now and then they didn’t come through until some time after they should have, and we also found some notifications came through to the watch multiple times, though we never worked out why."
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Everything is working so far. Your quote to my post for example, was notified by fair mail which I selected and shown then on the watch, see pics As long as a notification pop-up is shown on the status bar it will work, but one app did not work it's delta.chat. Don't know why, still investigating. Maybe a app or health issue

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Everything is working so far. Your quote to my post for example, was notified by fair mail which I selected and shown then on the watch, see pics As long as a notification pop-up is shown on the status bar it will work, but one app did not work it's delta.chat. Don't know why, still investigating. Maybe a app or health issue
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I'm guessing you can't prevent notifications from certain apps on only the watch?
Did you consider the Amazfit GTS? They seem similar but the Amazfit I think is considerably cheaper.

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I'm guessing you can't prevent notifications from certain apps on only the watch?
Did you consider the Amazfit GTS? They seem similar but the Amazfit I think is considerably cheaper.
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You can select the notification what you want to be shown on the watch, see screenshot. Or do you want to have a notification only to be shown on the watch, but not on the phone?
I ordered both watches and the following are my personal pros and cons.
Amazfit GTS: 128€
-can't make calls
-no storage for music
-GPS not that accurate
-no SpO2
Honor Magic Watch 2: 146€
-round design(I wanted a round watch again)