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[Q] SGNote unnatural colors?

Since I can't see an SGNote in a store yet, curious if the SAMOLED's less than natural colors ever bothers you, they seem to bother me on the lower resolution SAMOLED phones but a bit less on the same res but lower pixel density Tab 10.1 screen (however I prefer Transformer's IPS for a tablet)? -Thx
P.S. - I've heard mention in video reviews that the SGNote does have better color calibration than its other SAMOLED's handhelds.
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41813
"Blacks are extremely deep and colors are richer than life, which is typical of Samsung's Super AMOLED display technology. For this high end phone, Samsung spent some time calibrating and tweaking it, and the blue color cast found on other Galaxy phones is at a minimum, and pure black images are pure black with no banding or light patches."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es7orfYUc3w#t=03m57s

There are three color settings that are select able by the user. They go from very saturated to about normal.

dennishhh said:
There are three color settings that are select able by the user. They go from very saturated to about normal.
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I didn't know that, cool, I'll look into that, if anyone uploads a YouTube video I'd like to see if that shows up..-Thx

same as computer monitor
i was shocked at how different the colors where when i got my capitvate. unnatural is the only way to put it. took me a long time to get use to the pumped up color amoled screen. (certain colors are increased because that is ones your eyes see easier making the screen pop) so when i was thinking of buying the note i had read that samsung gave the owner the choice to change that pumped up look to a more natural scheme i was thrilled. the lower saturation of color feels more closely to regular lcds. when i hold the phone next to my high end computer monitor with the same picture they are very similar in hue and saturation. although sometimes when i am showing off the big screen phone to friends i switch to the standard amoled setting (because the colors pop) i usually choose the lcd type setting for everyday use. hope this helps.

bedspringlex said:
i was shocked at how different the colors where when i got my capitvate. unnatural is the only way to put it. took me a long time to get use to the pumped up color amoled screen. (certain colors are increased because that is ones your eyes see easier making the screen pop) so when i was thinking of buying the note i had read that samsung gave the owner the choice to change that pumped up look to a more natural scheme i was thrilled. the lower saturation of color feels more closely to regular lcds. when i hold the phone next to my high end computer monitor with the same picture they are very similar in hue and saturation. although sometimes when i am showing off the big screen phone to friends i switch to the standard amoled setting (because the colors pop) i usually choose the lcd type setting for everyday use. hope this helps.
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It does help, thanks, how is that color setting changed?
P.S. - Even on my newer Samsung TVs, when someone with blue eyes comes on the screen they can look fluorescent fake giving it a sci-fi vibe that can look ridiculous!

SMARTPHONEPC said:
I didn't know that, cool, I'll look into that, if anyone uploads a YouTube video I'd like to see if that shows up..-Thx
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Zedomax did it http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RsmDvvckt6k#t=1096s but ideally still would like to see it in person. The higher res screen must help as the colors are not bothering me like they do on lower res SAMOLED screens. I'll check out the 720p SGNexus in person even though I don't think it has the SGNote 3 color settings ("Dynamic, Standard, Movie" in Settings->Display-Screen Mode) that provide more user control.
Still would also like to see the SGNote with other launchers+cool live wallpaper as I'm no fan of the stock TouchWiz look..it shouldn't be too difficult to make it look cooler than stock right?

So is the screen THAT bad?

Hello,
As i am today a not very-pleased s3 owner, i decided that i will give Sony a try for the first time. After looking much at especially the V and the Z, i`ve decided that the Z will be the phone i will enough pleased with.
Anyway, i habe been reeding alot about this phone the last days, and i keep reading that the screen is not "good" enough, and that is something that concerns me.
So i am asking YOU GUYS that are a lucky owner of the Xperia Z; How does the screen feel like? Is it relly THAT bad as people is talking about? I really want this phone. I love sonys interface and water+dust proof is a must for me these days.
I hope someone can give me a good answer.
Appreciated !

Honestly go out and check it out for yourself.
Everyone will and can have their own opinion, but in the end it is your choice.
I for one like it
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DarkKrypt said:
Honestly go out and check it out for yourself.
Everyone will and can have their own opinion, but in the end it is your choice.
I for one like it
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Thanks for responding!
I would love to check it out, but here in Norway we dont get it before 6-10Mars. I went to the store today to check out the display on the Xperia V, and i gotta say i liked it alot more than my Amoled S3.

AW: So is the screen THAT bad?
Screen is just fine. Lots of exageration.
The vieweing angles are sub-premium, this is true, but perfectly ok. First its only the colours which wash out a bit, its not like you wouldnt see anything anymore plus, to be honest, how often and for jow long do you look at your phone flat and sideways...?
I like the screen a lot. Nice colours to look at, insane resolution and pixel density , everything is so damn crisp and clear. I mean hello, its a flaghship after all, they dont dare to put utter bull**** in it. As I said, lots of exaggeration.

TFT with high resolution. Colors are bad.
Regards

Yesterday I tested 3 Xperia Z with bright pixel. But finally got one that has none.

avetny said:
TFT with high resolution. Colors are bad.
Regards
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Depends on your definition of good colors.
When looking at photos vs one x without BE turned on colors are pretty close to the real thing including vibrancy and saturation. Now if you are the kind of person that likes unhealthy yellow skin tones, better than real life colors than yeah colors are no good. When people say it looks washed out they actually mean it is not punchy the truth is that when you look at the real world vs s3 and one x the real world seems to be washed out

Stop this BS already... screen is very good.
The only "problem" with it is colour saturation in UI. When BE2 kicks in, and you're on 60%+ brightness, colours and brightness are amazing. And since BE2 doesn't change the screen's physical properties - it means that the screen itself is perfectly fine. The only thing you can be unhappy with is UI's default saturation values, which are quite low, probably to make the difference between media and UI very noticable.
Also, it's true - "washed out" colours are actually a lot closer to natural colours. If you want very saturated colours all the time - you might not be satisfied. If you want completely oversaturated colours - go for AMOLED, they're amazing in producing rich, highly saturated colours.

For me, coming straight from an S3 to this, it really does look washed out, no mater how you look at it.
However, I think that this is because the S3 had very over saturated colours. If you do decide to go for the XZ, you'll be disappointed at first, but it feels much more premium and you'll start to realise that the S3 seemed like it was in Shop Display Mode all the time!
Ultimately, the choice is yours, but don't be downhearted if you go for it and you're initially unhappy with the screen.
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Which is basically what everyone else has already said here.

Maybe Sony should have added a samsung mode where it sets the saturation up to 120%, the contrast to .800 and maximum brightness to 50% so you can't see anything when outdoors.

I think you'll be happy with the screen if you upgraded from other xperia family phones. But if you will compare it side by side with other 1080 LCD phones like htc butterfly, hell even with HTC One X which has 720P and a year older, Z can't match overall display quality. Trust your eyes. To see is to believe.

HypnOtizer12 said:
Hello,
As i am today a not very-pleased s3 owner, i decided that i will give Sony a try for the first time. After looking much at especially the V and the Z, i`ve decided that the Z will be the phone i will enough pleased with.
Anyway, i habe been reeding alot about this phone the last days, and i keep reading that the screen is not "good" enough, and that is something that concerns me.
So i am asking YOU GUYS that are a lucky owner of the Xperia Z; How does the screen feel like? Is it relly THAT bad as people is talking about? I really want this phone. I love sonys interface and water+dust proof is a must for me these days.
I hope someone can give me a good answer.
Appreciated !
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Got this one from Esato, Xperia Z Screen test
Screen test of xperia z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH_3Zz045B0 Nice colours and viewing angles
The black is the most black lcd could reach
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Here is a few videos that should help you decide for yourself:
http://youtu.be/DoNQcM8T4c8
http://youtu.be/JH_3Zz045B0
http://youtu.be/P32rdsmgNqU

Got this yesterday and the screen is better than One x and nexus 4 except viewing angles.
The phone is a little laggier than Nexus 4 but faster.
Overall im very impressed.

??????? You ok bro?
Akiainavas said:
Stop this BS already... screen is very good.
Also, it's true - "washed out" colours are actually a lot closer to natural colours. If you want very saturated colours all the time - you might not be satisfied. If you want completely oversaturated colours - go for AMOLED, they're amazing in producing rich, highly saturated colours.
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All Sony screens are very good from my past experience, people are just used to over saturated colors that other companies do to their phones. Also, you eyes will strain much less when you look at Sony screens for extended period of times.
Also, I don't understand what's with the ruckus of angle viewing, seriously, how many of you out there actively view the screen from a angle? its just retarded to compare that, it's not even a point.
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I personally really like the screen. I hated the screen on the s3 and thought the colours looked unnatural and oversaturated. With the XZ, while it may be 'washed out' to some, I actually find the colours, contrast, etc. quite nice to look at and natural. The s3 and the like hurt my eyes. Plus viewing angles aren't half as bad as I expected them to be given all the hysteria regarding them prior to release.

I posted this in the other thread "clearing up the....."
"I have now spent 48 hours with my XZ in the UK. I really like the display. It is sharp, vibrant and realistic in terms of colour and saturation. I could not get on with the amoled display of the HTC desire and the samsung galaxy. Too unrealistic imho. The bravia engine takes it to another level for movies and pictures: It will impress your friends!
I was hesitating with the iminent release of the HTC one. I have absolutley no regrets. It is a beautiful phone and a beautiful display."

well if the only downside is "bad view angles" and "low sturation" its great display because
1. i look my fone from front not side
2. i dont like too saturated colours (red must be red not burning red example)
3. resolution n ppi is high enough to make clear and nice pic

here is some screen comparisons
vs iphone 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWECOuUhb8#t=632s
vs SG3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHmvUeMWAu8#t=644s
its in german so you might wanna turn translation on
and here is some first impressions & talk about the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32rdsmgNqU
Overall it looks like a pretty good screen, if you dont care about viewing angles that much you will like it

[Q] Underwhelming demo experience at Best Buy - thoughts?

OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks

stevegee111 said:
OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks
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Did you try adjusting the focus wheel?

Yes - the focus wheel had little to no effect. Almost as if it was there for show.

Possibly broken but remember it's only a QHD screen so there will be pixels visable. We need to wait for 8k screens... I love me gearvr and amazed our phones offer this ability
-= Note 4 & Gear VR =-

Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home

Wondering - Has anyone loaded on hd rips of movies and watched them vs the trailers that they have pre-loaded?
Is the quality improved? Maybe their trailers are low bit rate. Thanks

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Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home
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Doesn't sound broke. I can always see the red/green/blue in pixels when focused. It always reminded me of CRT TVs.

I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.

Hardcore73 said:
I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.
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I see them pretty clearly

They are visible if you focus your attention on them. Once you focus your mind on video or game they disappear.
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I believe focus issues have a lot to do with the alignment of your eyes and the 3D effect. If you eyes are not aligned properly then the 3D effect may create a double image
Also I've noticed the eyepad with the nose bridge included positions the device on your face for better focus.
Another issue is just getting used to a slightly screen door image. Also remenber these movies et al are largely in FHD not QHD and that is also hurting the experience.
If your phone is rooted you can also increase the DPI which may help with pixel size.
Part of enjoying this is your brain just getting used to it. I find that focusing tightly on what I'm looking at as opposed to generally staring in a direction helps focus. Its not that focus with the unit is poor so much as the 3D tech is imperfectly tuned for each person. Also I think we've come to expect 3D things to jump out at us; however thus is not the effect 3D has in real life. In real life 3D merely adds depth and that is what this does more than in your face hollywood 3D.
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Try setting your DPI to 400.

motion blur

hello community
I bought my tab s T805 a few days ago and yesterday watched "The Strain" on it.
Everytime when a black part (hair, clothes etc.) moves, there was a caudate behind.
Very annoying if there are more black objects and the camera moves...the whole picture looks unsharp.
Seems like it´s a comon problem of AMOLED Displays, because my Note 3 shows the same behaviour.
Anyone else noticed this problem?
Maybe it´s only the display of my tablet...

what app do you use for media playback and whats the source? own blu ray rip or purchased online etc?

I use Plex, Video is H264 rip of the blueray.
The Plex server streams the video to the tablet.

ChristianTHB said:
hello community
I bought my tab s T805 a few days ago and yesterday watched "The Strain" on it.
Everytime when a black part (hair, clothes etc.) moves, there was a caudate behind.
Very annoying if there are more black objects and the camera moves...the whole picture looks unsharp.
Seems like it´s a comon problem of AMOLED Displays, because my Note 3 shows the same behaviour.
Anyone else noticed this problem?
Maybe it´s only the display of my tablet...
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Yea, I've noticed this a lot. Doesn't matter if it's a game, movie, or static image. Any deep black spots will "smear" across the screen a bit.

Damn...beside this problem, the screen is really great!
Maybe I send it back and get an alternative...
As far as i know, only TabPro and Note 10.1 (2014) also have the same resolution.

Interesting Article on Motion Blur with OLED displays
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

I have seen similar in my Note 2.

Digital Man said:
Interesting Article on Motion Blur with OLED displays
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/
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Good article. I disagree with one thing, though I've never heard of OLED described as holy grail of motion blur. It's the holy grail of black as the pixels can shut off completely. But as for motion it is pretty much in same boat as modern LCD. LCD now has very fast pixel response too (not as fast as OLED), but because of sample and hold it has motion blur. Ditto OLED.
Even the $25,000 LG OLED uses sample and hold and has some motion blur. So yeah don't expect great motion in your $400 tablet.

I though Samsung had fixed the motion blur or at least improved it by not fully turning off the pixels so it take less time for them to respond, so it`s not jet black more like dark, dark, dark grey
John.

Interesting side note. There will likely be a specific need for low persistence OLED displays for virtual reality applications in the future. This is an excerpt from the Oculus Rift website:
Low Persistence OLED Display
DK2 uses a low persistence OLED display to eliminate motion blur and judder, two of the biggest contributors to simulator sickness. Low persistence makes the scene appear visually stable, increasing the potential for presence.
Some facts about the OLED's used in the Oculus Rift:
http://www.oled-info.com/oculus-vr-shows-new-hmd-prototype-low-persistance-oled
Oculus' DK2 uses the Galaxy Note 3 AMOLED panel, overclocked for lower persistence:
http://www.oled-info.com/oculus-dk2-uses-galaxy-note-3-amoled-panel-overclocked-lower-persistence

I have been unable to see any motion blur on my T800, though i mostly watch animi, i do watch movies as well.
John.

It's easily testable with a black image with some dark details on it like this one. If you even gently move it around in an image viewer many of the details will simply disappear.

Are any of you with this issue using power saving mode? I found that the slower refresh rate in powersaving mode does cause some screen issues.

Screen gamma and black levels!

Hello everyone ,i recently got a z3+ and i noticed that the black levels of the screen are pretty bad...coming from an oled display i was expecting some diffrence but not that bad...I watched some movies and in the dark scenes it is very difficult to see the picture ,everything looks the same and you cant really see the characters or the background ..its a mess especially in daylight conditions its almost unviewable.Cranking the brightness all the way up helps a lot -again in very good lighting enviroments/outside/daylight i cant see a thing in dark scenes- but then the black levels are too bad almost grey not black..
I also had a z1 compact which i dont think it was that bad, i'll try to test them side by side...
So i was wondering if a have faulty screen or something but i would like to hear your experience ...
Overall its nice screen bright with nice colours etc..but the black levels are a dissapointment in movies/videos..
Also i have disabled all screen enchanments (x-reality etc) and my white calibration is 178/162/37 RGB
Based on this review i was expecting more...

Blacks are pretty good in my opinion contrast ratio is brilliant for a ips. But this may come from you're eyes trained to a OLED screen. It's like my TV I have a lg OLED in the living room but a led in the bedroom and now I'm seeing grey instead of black :silly:

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Blacks are pretty good in my opinion contrast ratio is brilliant for a ips. But this may come from you're eyes trained to a OLED screen. It's like my TV I have a lg OLED in the living room but a led in the bedroom and now I'm seeing grey instead of black :silly:
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Here are some photos of my screen's blacks ...taken at 100% brightness in a 100% dark room ,all screen enchanments off, showing the same black level block picture in all 4 photos...i tried to adjust the camera exposure to make it look as close as what i was seeing ...as you can see it actualy can lit the desk under it and there is massive light bleed (if thats the correct term) out of the 4 corners in low viewing angles ,it actually creates a shape of X of light in a surface...Thats all please try it too to check out your results so as to know if i have problematic screen...