I'm stuck with an LG Optimus G Pro and I'm starting to notice that they aren't that great with upgrading software. I want to get the Galaxy Note 3... like really badly. My normal upgrade is 5 months away. So I have two or three options. Which would you choose if you were in my shoes, and why?
Option A: Sell LG Optimus G Pro for a few hundred, go onto AT&T Next Plan for 20 months and then use phone w/o contract. Use money from LG Pro to make most of the monthly payments.
Option B: Sell LG Optimus G Pro and Tablet, and buy the Galaxy Note 3 flat out w/o using AT&T next.
Option C: Wait 5 long months, while the worth of the Optimus G Pro and Tablet go down.
Option D: (Your plan if you have a better one.)
I'm really stuck in the mud with this one. What would you do and why? Thanks in advance!
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I'm stuck with an LG Optimus G Pro and I'm starting to notice that they aren't that great with upgrading software. I want to get the Galaxy Note 3... like really badly. My normal upgrade is 5 months away. So I have two or three options. Which would you choose if you were in my shoes, and why?
Option A: Sell LG Optimus G Pro for a few hundred, go onto AT&T Next Plan for 20 months and then use phone w/o contract. Use money from LG Pro to make most of the monthly payments.
Option B: Sell LG Optimus G Pro and Tablet, and buy the Galaxy Note 3 flat out w/o using AT&T next.
Option C: Wait 5 long months, while the worth of the Optimus G Pro and Tablet go down.
Option D: (Your plan if you have a better one.)
I'm really stuck in the mud with this one. What would you do and why? Thanks in advance!
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A: I see no real benefit of the Next plan unless you want to swap phones every year. You pay tax on the full price, then monthly payments. Sure, there's no contract, but more than likely the remainder of the device's purchase price would be more than an ETF if you canceled the Next plan.
B: If you don't want to be under a contract, then this would be your best bet. Also, you would have a lot more pull with getting a reduction in your bill since you don't have a contract and retentions will do their best to keep you. I.E. the Mobile to Any Mobile w/ Unlimited Messaging on a family plan is available for $20/month through rentions.
C: Nah bro, just nah xD
D: Give retentions a call (611, option 4, option 5 IIRC) and tell them that you are thinking about going to XX carrier to get the Note 3 and just buy out of your current contract. Given that you are 5 months away, they definitely should be willing to work with you. I was offered the $299.99 price on a line that wasn't due for an upgrade until July 2014, so it's definitely possible. Then, you could sell the LG phone and/or the tablet to reduce the cost of the Note 3.
I would try D first and see where that gets you. If the first rep isn't willing to help, then call back and try again, although I've never had to call for back for a second rep. If all of that fails, then I would sell the phone and tablet and have a net out-of-pocket cost of next to nothing for the Note 3. Hope this helps.
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Sell what you got and buy it with a 2 year contract this phone is bad a F will be powerful for a while IMO
I would call At&T and tell them you been a customer for this long and basicly kiss some ass this has worked in the past where they will let you get the discounted 2 year price early if you play your cards right
P.s. if you are into ROMs and all that I would hold tight on that stuff until the boot loader is unlocked you can read up about that on the forums.
Good luck
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Would definitely call customer service. I wasn't due for an upgrade until May 2014. They went ahead and approved the exception upgrade and even mistakenly misquoted me a price of $199. Good luck.
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First off, the Next plan is a ripoff, you're essentially paying full retail for a phone that isn't yours when the year is up. The payments are just spread out, and you're always under AT&T 's thumb. I am a firm believer in never getting tied into contracts, especially with phone companies. If you are out from under your AT&T contract I would seriously take a look at some of the mvnos out there. Compared with AT&T prices for comparable plans you can save anywhere from $45-$75 a month. Yes you have to pay retail for a phone, but it's yours to do with as you wish, and you're saving $540-$900 a year by going with one of those guys. And if you decide to sell your phone when the next version comes out, you will get a good return. That is my option D. I left AT&T two years ago and haven't looked back.
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Please take this conversation here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46091359
It has no place in a Q&A section development thread.
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Last time I was in the T-Mobile store, the clerk told me about their "Jump" program. It sounded great: You give them your old phone, they give you a new one, your monthly payments stay the same. No brainer. Go for it.
Something, however, didn't feel right. I went over the words again in my mind. You give them your old phone, they give you a new one, your monthly payments stay the same. What could possibly be wrong with that?
I took it apart:
1) You give them your old phone.
No problem. It's old. I want a new one.
2) They give you a new one.
Trade in your old, obsolete phone for a band new, cutting edge device. Cool.
3) Your monthly payments stay the same.
Paying the exact same amount for a brand new phone as what I was paying for my old phone. I can afford that.
Sound too good to be true?
It is.
When you do the math, it becomes obvious that when you jump, you lose money.
Think about "You give them your old phone". Notice the word "give". That means you get nothing in return. You may be thinking, "No, I AM getting something in return - a band new phone!
Wrong. T-Mobile makes it seem like it's all one big happy transaction. The Jump, however, actually consists of two separate transactions: giving them your old phone, and, getting a new phone.
1) Giving them your old phone
T-Mobile makes you think that when you give them your old phone, you get a new one in return. It sounds great because we think that the value of the old phone necessarily is less than that of the new phone. You say to yourself, Wow! I can't believe they're doing that! Well, they're not.
You have been paying off the old phone for quite a while, and have built up "equity" of a few hundred dollars, which is the basis for the true value of the old phone. When you jump, you give T-Mobile those hundreds of dollars as a gift. It seems like you get back the amount still left on the loan because T-Mobile "pays" it for you. That amount is always smaller than what you've already paid. It has to be, otherwise, T-Mobile wouldn't pay it. They make sure that they never lose money on the deal in two ways. 1) THEY tell YOU how much your old phone is worth, and, 2) You can jump only every six months (after which the amount you've paid on the loan exceeds what's left).
Now, what is the value of their payment of the balance of the old phone? Zero. When you give them the phone, you no longer owe the balance. You don't have the phone any more, they do. If you were to continue paying the loan off, you would be building up T-Mobile's equity rather than your own.
What is really happening is the following:
- You pay full price for your old phone, and then you give it away for nothing.
2) Getting a new phone
When T-Mobile says, "You get a brand new phone but the payments stay the same", they are drawing your attention away from the fact that when you jump, you take out a loan on the new phone for its full price. The payments don't "stay the same". The same as what? The loan you had on the old phone, which, as we've seen, is a separate transaction. So, the fact that the payments "stay the same" doesn't put a dime in your pocket. Ironically, you are the one ensuring that the payments stay the same by putting down a couple of hundred dollars. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot something. T-Mobile charges $10/mo to jump. So the payments actually increase.
What is really happening is the following:
- You pay full price for the new phone, and pay T-Mobile $10/mo for the privilege.
I didn't jump.
From my understanding if you owe money on the 6 month or less "old phone" then it is paid off. If you don't owe money on the "old phone" you get the trade in value of the phone. Which is what you would get anyways. And for someone who likes to switch there phone up every 3 or so months when a new "interesting" phone comes out, its a pretty good thing....
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You're wrong on the "Jump every six months part". You initially wait 6 months after signing up to be able to use Jump, after that you can get two new devices within twelve months with no wait time in between. I verified that with three T-Mobile reps. Say I buy the Nexus 5 this week (which I am) and the Galaxy S5 comes out next month and I want that.. Guess what? I can go trade my device in for that S5. But then I'm out of upgrades for almost a year..
jump program from what i was also told is that it comes with warranty, so if i lost my phone or what not, it will be covered.....
Dude the $10 replaces your old php/ warranty which could be higher . so no its not a separate charge. I was paying 15 for insurance/ warranty and when I registered for jump it REPLACED that charge for $10. So I saved $5 a month. Also when you trade in your old phone any balance left is paid off and yes you are technically leasing a phone but you don't have to JUMP every six months. It actually works out better than their previous plan. I have two separate payment plans before jump because I didn't realize they were actually starting a new credit line for every phone you financed. I thought it was adding to the total. This plan leaves you with one balance to pay and not multiple.
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jbreeze228 said:
You're wrong on the "Jump every six months part". You initially wait 6 months after signing up to be able to use Jump, after that you can get two new devices within twelve months with no wait time in between. I verified that with three T-Mobile reps. Say I buy the Nexus 5 this week (which I am) and the Galaxy S5 comes out next month and I want that.. Guess what? I can go trade my device in for that S5. But then I'm out of upgrades for almost a year..
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Sorry that's not how it works either. If you buy your nexus device with jump you have to wait six months in between for the twice a year upgrade. I've also been told this by a few reps. I'd like to know the specifoc s of this.
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Dude the $10 replaces your old php/ warranty which could be higher . so no its not a separate charge. I was paying 15 for insurance/ warranty and when I registered for jump it REPLACED that charge for $10. So I saved $5 a month. Also when you trade in your old phone any balance left is paid off and yes you are technically leasing a phone but you don't have to JUMP every six months. It actually works out better than their previous plan. I have two separate payment plans before jump because I didn't realize they were actually starting a new credit line for every phone you financed. I thought it was adding to the total. This plan leaves you with one balance to pay and not multiple.
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Sorry that's not how it works either. If you buy your nexus device with jump you have to wait six months in between for the twice a year upgrade. I've also been told this by a few reps. I'd like to know the specifoc s of this.
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That's very possible for it to be that case. But for me to be misquoted by three reps is pretty bad on T-Mobile's part. The last time I called was to verify my Jump Upgrade date last week and the guy went through all the specifics of the program and said after you wait the initial 6 months, after that you can upgrade two times in one year regardless of the time between the upgrades. But I just like the fact that I can upgrade two times in one year and have it added to monthly bill.
Well, it sounds like if you consistently jump you're basically leasing your phones...
Pay monthly for it, JUMP to a new one, and continue paying. Might be okay for some people, might not. Really depends on how often you upgrade and whether or not you really need to. I love having the latest stuff, but the Nexus 5 seems to satisfy me in every way possible. Don't know how it could get much better right now (camera, MAYBE - I never really take pictures anyway), so I may end up keeping this phone past my typical year of owning a device.
I haven't paid insurance on my devices in quite some time. Waste of money for me considering how cheap the Nexus line is nowadays, plus I've never broke, damaged, or lost a phone in the past 10 years. Wouldn't really like paying the $10/mo, plus the new phone payments, even with a value plan.
craigbailey1986 said:
From my understanding if you owe money on the 6 month or less "old phone" then it is paid off. If you don't owe money on the "old phone" you get the trade in value of the phone. Which is what you would get anyways. And for someone who likes to switch there phone up every 3 or so months when a new "interesting" phone comes out, its a pretty good thing....
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This is correct. When you first sign up with jump you have to wait six months to"jump". After that you can jump twice a year whenever you want, you can jump twice in one week but then have to wait another year to do it again. There are pros and cons to this plan and depends on the person to decide if it is useful to them. Remember OP just like flashing it's your choice, don't try to blame T-Mobile for a choice that you make.
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Let me break it down for you a bit:
Person 1 buys an HTC One at full price through T-Mobile at $600 (price when I purchased mine) no JUMP.
Person 2 buys the same HTC One for $0 down with payments equalling $25 beginning in Month #2 with $10 per month for JUMP.
Both parties pay the tax for the full price of the device so that's a mute point.
6 months down the road (when you are JUMP eligible for the first time) you trade in the HTC One for a Nexus 5.
Person 1 sells the HTC One for $369 (the current avg selling price according to Swappa.com) and buys a Nexus 5 from Google for $350 (again we ignore tax) making the total outlay:
0-600+369-350 = -$581
Person 2 walks into T-Mobile and trades the HTC One in and walks out the door with a new Nexus 5 for $0 down and $16.50 per month. Saving $8.50 per month from the HTC One. Total outlay:
0-150(payments of $25 x 6) - 60 = -$205
Let's also mention that JUMP gives you the insurance as well.
With the cost of mobile devices depreciating head over heels it makes no sense to purchase your devices outright if you plan on upgrading on any sort of routine. The equity drops too fast, almost 40% in 6 months. T-Mobile will make its money in 2 places:
1- people who dont want to upgrade
2- people who put money down on their device due to bad credit or when a 0 down deal isn't running
Also its a 1 time 6-month buffer period until you can use JUMP. After that point you may use it 2 times per 12 month period starting with your first JUMP date
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moose1313 said:
This is correct. When you first sign up with jump you have to wait six months to"jump". After that you can jump twice a year whenever you want, you can jump twice in one week but then have to wait another year to do it again. There are pros and cons to this plan and depends on the person to decide if it is useful to them. Remember OP just like flashing it's your choice, don't try to blame T-Mobile for a choice that you make.
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My bad then. That sounds great. My six months will be up in march and I'll be able to do my first jump.
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Guess I should have jumped.... Or, should I have?
PhilipTD said:
I didn't know you could get a phone with no money down.
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$0 money down and 0 signal in any area not within the confines of a very large city.
You get what you pay for
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$0 money down and 0 signal in any area not within the confines of a very large city.
You get what you pay for
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That's true. Reception is pretty bad in the countryside. Good thing I'm not into nature.
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$0 money down and 0 signal in any area not within the confines of a very large city.
You get what you pay for
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Depends on the area for sure. I'm in the Lakeland area (between Tampa and Orlando FL) and I've had LTE for a long time now and Verizon can't match it. T-Mobile has really taken off within the past 3 years
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altimax98 said:
Depends on the area for sure. I'm in the Lakeland area (between Tampa and Orlando FL) and I've had LTE for a long time now and Verizon can't match it. T-Mobile has really taken off within the past 3 years
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Here's hoping they keep up the momentum. They could bring AT&T and VZW to their knees.
Nice post altimax :thumbup::beer:
I jumped the day it came out. Haven't used yet. Glad I have it though
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jbdan said:
Nice post altimax :thumbup::beer:
I jumped the day it came out. Haven't used yet. Glad I have it though
Nexus5
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No problem, just trying to clarify it... The key is to only JUMP when they do the $0 down deals which is quite often.
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altimax98 said:
Person 1 sells the HTC One for $369 (the current avg selling price according to Swappa.com) and buys a Nexus 5 from Google for $350 (again we ignore tax) making the total outlay:
0-600+369-350 = -$581
Person 2 walks into T-Mobile and trades the HTC One in and walks out the door with a new Nexus 5 for $0 down and $16.50 per month. Saving $8.50 per month from the HTC One. Total outlay:
0-150(payments of $25 x 6) - 60 = -$205
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I think it's a worthy mention that person 2 still owes the price of nexus 5.... so it be 396 + 205 if he doesn't upgrade again. He can jump to avoid paying the debt of the current phone, but eventually he'll be paying full price for a phone.
Person 1 can upgrade as soon as the new hot phone comes out. Person 2 has to wait for 0 down promotion or suffer a loss.
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I think it's a worthy mention that person 2 still owes the price of nexus 5.... so it be 396 + 205 if he doesn't upgrade again. He can jump to avoid paying the debt of the current phone, but eventually he'll be paying full price for a phone. Person 1 can upgrade as soon as the new hot phone comes out. Person 2 has to wait for 0 down promotion or suffer a loss.
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Yeah, you're exactly right, the $396 loss becomes obscured in the verbiage.
I prefer to just stick to buying my phones off-contract. With the Nexus line being so great at such an amazing price, it seems way better than perpetually paying $20+ a month to basically rent a phone.
Not to mention that pre-paid prices are *so* much better. Like, half the price better. And if you want insurance, you can always get it through one of the many phone insurance companies by yourself for cheaper.
Lucky stars out today, wangled..
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for £9.99 with 10GB double speed 4G data and all the trimmings for £39.59 a month 8)
Was very tempted by the z3 Compact as it's a great phone and cheap on contract but thought I'd phone up and see what they could offer me on the Note 4, came up with £120 off the asking price and more data than I can eat for less than a tenner so I was easily swayed back to the device I've been eyeing up for months.
Tis a thing of beauty and power :good:
I'll be keeping an eye on this area of XDA for developments.
oursoul said:
Lucky stars out today, wangled..
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for £9.99 with 10GB double speed 4G data and all the trimmings for £39.59 a month 8)
Was very tempted by the z3 Compact as it's a great phone and cheap on contract but thought I'd phone up and see what they could offer me on the Note 4, came up with £120 off the asking price and more data than I can eat for less than a tenner so I was easily swayed back to the device I've been eyeing up for months.
Tis a thing of beauty and power :good:
I'll be keeping an eye on this area of XDA for developments.
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£9.99? Wow!
I was on the phone to them at the weekend to enquire about early upgrade on a £39/month deal, they wanted £250 or thereabouts to cancel my existing contract then start a new contract at the same value for 2 years and pay £220 for the phone.
I told them to stuff it where the sun doesnt shine as I may as well buy the phone outright then when my contract expires next year I am free to move if I want.
That's ridiculous. I just ordered my upgrade with Three UK. No upgrade charge, £43pm all you can eat mins and data 4G as standard with Three.
I don't know how it is in UK but wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy Note 4 off contract and use some cheap pre-paid? Such contracts are usually long and you pay for the phone more than it costs during the years...
I pay about 3 pounds per month for my pre-paid (with about 1.5GB of free LTE transfer each month, cumulating when you don't use it, there are other options, this one is the cheapest) - although it's in Poland where prices are lower.
I worked out it was a bit cheaper to get the phone sim free, go onto a sim only 12 month contract on a new network using topcashback to get money back as well. I've moved onto Vodafone who I can also get a discount with. All the networks over here seemed to stop doing rollovers for unused contract stuff years ago so we don't have anything like that here that I'm aware of.
The problem comes with people having the capital to buy the phones outright. Not everyone can pay the ~£600-650 for a flagship phone in one hit so they spread it out over the 18-24 month contract. I personally don't like the idea of that so I buy outright and the way you can sell phones for a decent enough amount these days plus changing contracts/haggling for discounts on renewals if you play it properly you can upgrade your phone every year with a minimal cost to yourself once you do the initial purchase.
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Hello everyone, I just switched to tmobile from sprint and I had the jump plan. I will like to root my phone and install some custom roms. But, Idk if I root my phone will void my jump plan. If anyone has the please do not hesitate to reply my question. Thanx for reading
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johnson114 said:
Hello everyone, I just switched to tmobile from sprint and I had the jump plan. I will like to root my phone and install some custom roms. But, Idk if I root my phone will void my jump plan. If anyone has the please do not hesitate to reply my question. Thanx for reading
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I've had T Mobile for about 3 years now and ive traded in 3 or 4 of my past phones, all rooted.
I traded my S3, S4, Note 3, Nexus 5 all rooted.
Just make sure before you turn it in, it's back to factory settings (i.e. Odin a stock Firmware.)
Of course the Knox will still be tripped, but T Mobile doesnt care about that, more of a Samsung Warranty issue rather than T Mobile.
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Thank you @devynbf for your info. I'll go ahead and root my phone.
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OP can you tell me what value you see in Tmobile's JUMP?
Since you're ready talking about trading in your Note 4 it's safe to assume 6 months or 1 year from now you're willing to let it go at half the cost? Half the cost of today's current Tmobile price is $349.
A mint condition Note 3 on ebay or craigslist will sell for that much.
Hence the question what's the value in Jump? Why would I wanna pay someone 10 dollars a month for the benefit of selling my device at half the cost? I think I can do better myself without a monthly fee
T Mobile employee here, rooting your phone will not trigger anything for a tmobile employee while they inspect your phones, the main thing we look for is water damage, screen, and it turns on and runs. Anything outside of that we will pretty much ask you to make an insurance claim and pay the 175 dollar deductible.
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Keep in mind tho, when we mess up, and accept a device that needed a claim, the price of the device comes out of our pockets. Yes it sucks.
Depends on jump program
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & GEAR S
shook187 said:
OP can you tell me what value you see in Tmobile's JUMP?
Since you're ready talking about trading in your Note 4 it's safe to assume 6 months or 1 year from now you're willing to let it go at half the cost? Half the cost of today's current Tmobile price is $349.
A mint condition Note 3 on ebay or craigslist will sell for that much.
Hence the question what's the value in Jump? Why would I wanna pay someone 10 dollars a month for the benefit of selling my device at half the cost? I think I can do better myself without a monthly fee
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I have the very first jump program.
It's amazing.
It's $10/month, and it counts as insurance if ny device decides to fall in the toilet.
It also lets me upgrade my device every 6 months. As long as you trade in the original device and its functional.
Best thing T Mobile has ever done, especially with all the new devices being released.
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devynbf said:
I have the very first jump program.
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My question obviously wasn't directed towards those on JUMP 1
shook187 said:
OP can you tell me what value you see in Tmobile's JUMP?
Since you're ready talking about trading in your Note 4 it's safe to assume 6 months or 1 year from now you're willing to let it go at half the cost? Half the cost of today's current Tmobile price is $349.
A mint condition Note 3 on ebay or craigslist will sell for that much.
Hence the question what's the value in Jump? Why would I wanna pay someone 10 dollars a month for the benefit of selling my device at half the cost? I think I can do better myself without a monthly fee
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I'm assuming since he just switched over that he's on the new JUMP plan. By the time you've paid off 50% of the device on that plan you're 12 payments in. After 1 year I'm not sure if you'd be able to sell the device for more than $325.92 (half of retail) unless it's in 100% mint condition. (I could be wrong). As an example Swappa says the Note 3 is selling for an average price of $335 right now in February 15. I guess it's really a wash. I don't use a case on my devices and they typically get pretty beat up. T-Mobile will take it back all scratched up and beat up looking as long as the screen is not cracked and the water indicator isn't tripped.. You're going to be getting around the same price as trying to sell it online without having to deal with the hassle and shipping issues.
I'm on the old JUMP plan so it definitely makes sense for me. As long as you purchase the phone with 0 down, you're just paying up front taxes and 6 months worth of payments. At $27.16 for 6 months my total investment is $52.14 front tax plus $162.96 equals $215.10. So I'm only paying $430 per year and getting a brand new device every 6 months. I don't count the cost of the monthly JUMP since I would be paying for insurance anyway. T-Mobile is paying $488.88 for my device after owning it for only 6 months. I'm okay with that. You won't get that much selling online after 6 months for a used device that's scratched up.
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I'm assuming since he just switched over that he's on the new JUMP plan. By the time you've paid off 50% of the device on that plan you're 12 payments in. After 1 year I'm not sure if you'd be able to sell the device for more than $325.92 (half of retail) unless it's in 100% mint condition. (I could be wrong). As an example Swappa says the Note 3 is selling for an average price of $335 right now in February 15. I guess it's really a wash. I don't use a case on my devices and they typically get pretty beat up. T-Mobile will take it back all scratched up and beat up looking as long as the screen is not cracked and the water indicator isn't tripped.. You're going to be getting around the same price as trying to sell it online without having to deal with the hassle and shipping issues.
I'm on the old JUMP plan so it definitely makes sense for me. As long as you purchase the phone with 0 down, you're just paying up front taxes and 6 months worth of payments. At $27.16 for 6 months my total investment is $52.14 front tax plus $162.96 equals $215.10. So I'm only paying $430 per year and getting a brand new device every 6 months. I don't count the cost of the monthly JUMP since I would be paying for insurance anyway. T-Mobile is paying $488.88 for my device after owning it for only 6 months. I'm okay with that. You won't get that much selling online after 6 months for a used device that's scratched up.
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Technically they are not paying anything... They have a different math than us "consumers' ... any new device comes out from the factory cost no more than $150 if not less "Google it". Plus when your return the phone they sell it somehow and make money from it. So these companies making billions of dollars anyways from us. But in our math yeah it's good to change the phone every 6 month and so on and we only pay around $250
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
flyboy1100 said:
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No idea
4. Yes
Your best bet is to buy the phone outright, if you buy a phone on contract you pay $50 per month per line of service. If you buy a phone outright you only pay $15 per month per line of service do the math 50x12=600 you can almost pay for the phone in one year.
This is assuming your on a similar plan to me.
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I pay 40 per line plus data. So that would be 15 instead, over 2 years i could save 600, not 2. Either way i could just save that monthly and have cash for next upgrade.
Because we have a 10GB plan, I get $25 off my monthly line access (originally $40) since I'm on Edge making my line access $15. My bill is no different than before I came to Edge. Where they get you is when you trade in your phone to Edge Up (each time).
If you have less than a 10GB plan, you'll get $15 off the monthly line access of $40 dropping it to $25.
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Because we have a 10GB plan, I get $25 off my monthly line access (originally $40) since I'm on Edge making my line access $15. My bill is no different than before I came to Edge. Where they get you is when you trade in your phone to Edge Up (each time).
If you have less than a 10GB plan, you'll get $15 off the monthly line access of $40 dropping it to $25.
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We have 10gb.
Even though im not edge now, i still need to surrender my note2 ive had for 18mo?
Do you think it is worth it? Ultimately i know buying it outright is cheaper
flyboy1100 said:
We have 10gb.
Even though im not edge now, i still need to surrender my note2 ive had for 18mo?
Do you think it is worth it? Ultimately i know buying it outright is cheaper
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I had to trade in a working phone...at the time I had the M7 but luckily I had my super old OG Droid...I just activated that on my plan right before I went in to Verizon and then sold my M7.
It depends if you can front the money for the phone outright...I could, but my wife thinks its stupid so I chose the Edge route haha.
flyboy1100 said:
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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1. YES!!! That is if you are on a 10gb or higher plan you get the $25 discount.
2. I think you should still be able to use your own insurance still, but Verizon only offers insurance through Asurion.
3. If you are planning on keeping the N6 for the full 24 months you basically get it for ~$50 on edge b/c of the discount. If you upgrade at the 18 months though, you trade in your device to upgrade so it's not quite owning the phone.
4. Yes, when you upgrade through the edge program you trade in your old device, its kind of the trade off to being able to upgrade in 18 months (or by paying off 75% of the device) vs only every 2 years.
4 again?. Yes purchasing through Motorola has no impact on your upgrade date with Verizon.
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Konfuzion said:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No idea
4. Yes
Your best bet is to buy the phone outright, if you buy a phone on contract you pay $50 per month per line of service. If you buy a phone outright you only pay $15 per month per line of service do the math 50x12=600 you can almost pay for the phone in one year.
This is assuming your on a similar plan to me.
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You must be on an older plan. For current plans (More Everything, or Single Line plans) off or on contract does not make a difference with the smartphone line access fee, only verizon edge. It's in no way cheaper to buy off contract. There may be other benefits, but not cost.
Whatever more everything plan was 18mo ago is what we are on. So in september i would not get the service credit if i didn't take my upgrade? I have read a lot, but no one ever says what plan they have when they mention that part.
flyboy1100 said:
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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I work customer service for Verizon wireless so I completely understand not wanting to go into the store for info.
1. Yes Verizon does $25 dollar edge credits on non loyalty 6gb more everything plans and up (changed in February 6 and up get 25 off instead of 10 and up).
2. Yes and no. Yes if you intend to edge up. no if you intend to ride out the full 24 month agreement. I say this because edge agreements are based on the imei. And the only way to edge up a phone that has either had a warranty replacement or been replaced through insurance is to do an edge over ride which is only possible through assurion replaced phones or tech clnr replacements.
3. Not sure on the question.
4. Yes if you early edge you must return that device. Don't try swapping it to a crappy phone then early edging because that removes that lines eligibility for 90 days. And you would be doing ee if you're still under a contract.
3. You can keep note 2 if its out of contract and your not doing early edge
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cody11777 said:
I work customer service for Verizon wireless so I completely understand not wanting to go into the store for info.
1. Yes Verizon does $25 dollar edge credits on non loyalty 6gb more everything plans and up (changed in February 6 and up get 25 off instead of 10 and up).
2. Yes and no. Yes if you intend to edge up. no if you intend to ride out the full 24 month agreement. I say this because edge agreements are based on the imei. And the only way to edge up a phone that has either had a warranty replacement or been replaced through insurance is to do an edge over ride which is only possible through assurion replaced phones or tech clnr replacements.
3. Not sure on the question.
4. Yes if you early edge you must return that device. Don't try swapping it to a crappy phone then early edging because that removes that lines eligibility for 90 days. And you would be doing ee if you're still under a contract.
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But i am not edge now and 75% through my contract, with the 200 paid upfront haven't i already met the 75% cost? I guess i would just like to keep my unlocked otherwise fine note 2 as a backup in case something weird happens. With my job i can't go w/o a phone
when it comes to the bottom line is it worth it to switch to the edge program over full upgrade?
flyboy1100 said:
But i am not edge now and 75% through my contract, with the 200 paid upfront haven't i already met the 75% cost? I guess i would just like to keep my unlocked otherwise fine note 2 as a backup in case something weird happens. With my job i can't go w/o a phone
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Yes you would have to return it. Going from any point that's not 1 day past the end of the 2 year contract to edge is considered early edge and you must return the device currently on the line qualifying for early edge. Its how Verizon recoups the cost of you getting a new device before completing the 2 year contract where they sold you a device at a significantly discounted price. I mean the best route to take here would be to buy the phone at full retail activate it on your line then wait for the contract to run out and collect the 15 or 25 dollar month to month discount depending on the more everything plan you're on.
Yes edge is cheaper in the long run than 2 year upgrade for any high end device
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Eetabeetay said:
1. YES!!! That is if you are on a 10gb or higher plan you get the $25 discount.
2. I think you should still be able to use your own insurance still, but Verizon only offers insurance through Asurion.
3. If you are planning on keeping the N6 for the full 24 months you basically get it for ~$50 on edge b/c of the discount. If you upgrade at the 18 months though, you trade in your device to upgrade so it's not quite owning the phone.
4. Yes, when you upgrade through the edge program you trade in your old device, its kind of the trade off to being able to upgrade in 18 months (or by paying off 75% of the device) vs only every 2 years.
4 again?. Yes purchasing through Motorola has no impact on your upgrade date with Verizon.
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You must be on an older plan. For current plans (More Everything, or Single Line plans) off or on contract does not make a difference with the smartphone line access fee, only verizon edge. It's in no way cheaper to buy off contract. There may be other benefits, but not cost.
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Nope only been with Verizon since October 2014, and I know I'm only paying $15 per line where I bought my own phone. Might have been a promotion at the time?
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So for sure it sounds like in September i can start taking the service discount. I know this would be the cheapest route in the long run, just have to convince the finance manage that it is.... otherwise i will just do edge
I have a Droid Turbo in Edge, and the only issue is because they changed the Edge Up value to 75%. This means, no matter the age of the phone, to them its worth 25% of the price (in this case $162.50). Which I think is kinda crappy. Maybe, maybe, at the 18 months mark the phone on the secondary market might be worth less than $167.50. But I would think you could get more selling it yourself. For example. I have the Droid Turbo. I have had it for about 6 months. Lets say I want to buy the Nexus 6 on Edge. I have 2 options. I can pay them around $300 and give them the phone and "Edge Up" to the Nexus 6. I pay $300 out of pocket and give them the phone. Even though they can probably sell the phone for, I dunno, $400 maybe. They are only giving me $167.50 for the phone, I have to make up the rest. Or, I can pay it off in full, around $467 and I get to keep the phone. Then I can go to ebay or swappa and sell it for about that much. Leaving me out the monthly payments I have already made (could vary from phone to phone). So, at this point, I can pay them $300 or I can pay them $467 and try to get some of my money back. I sure as heck will get more than $167 for the phone.
Now lets say I am at the 18 month point. I can just give them the phone and I can "Edge Up" to a new phone. Or I can pay them $167.50 and get the phone and sell it myself. So if the phone at that time id worth $150, then yeah its a good deal. If its worth more you are better selling it.
I think I am going to wait until it is available at Costco, then i can get the good squaretrade warranty and just do the Edge thing at that time.
thanks everyone!
For the heck of it i stopped in at a store today. They told me i can only switch to edge/edge up when i am eligible for an upgrade? What is the point of edge then? Is it because it wasn't a corporate store? Or are they right? If that is the case eff vzw and i will just go monthly when my contract is up and buy a new phone outright.
flyboy1100 said:
For the heck of it i stopped in at a store today. They told me i can only switch to edge/edge up when i am eligible for an upgrade? What is the point of edge then? Is it because it wasn't a corporate store? Or are they right? If that is the case eff vzw and i will just go monthly when my contract is up and buy a new phone outright.
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If you are on a subsidized plan (i.e. you paid $200 for the phone up front and nothing more) then you do have to either wait for your upgrade or an "Early Edge" promotion (thye had one for the Droid Turbo). The reason is you are "paying" for the phone over your contract. Depending on how far from your upgrade you are you might be able to convince someone at a corporate store.
My annual upgrade is approaching. I LOVE my Nexus 6 <3 I'm on the AT&T Next plan and I'm unsure what I should get. I looked at the LG V10 but it seems the bootloader is locked on AT&T. Does AT&T even offer the 6P? Should I go with another Motorola? I'd like to be able to fully root with an unlocked bootloader to use themes (currently I use layers) and Xposed mods. Any suggestions? Anyone upgraded yet? TIA
wait for a mobile with the new snapdragon 820
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AhmadOkda said:
wait for a mobile with the new snapdragon 820
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This...should start appearing later this month.
You can buy the 6P and the Huawai in China and they will finance it for you. Screw the carrier, trust me its a much better option.
Also once my contract dropped AT&T gave me double the data. I now have 20gbs for $100 monthly so it's better you stay off because you can bargain.
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Hoshneer said:
You can buy the 6P and the Huawai in China and they will finance it for you. Screw the carrier, trust me its a much better option.
Also once my contract dropped AT&T gave me double the data. I now have 20gbs for $100 monthly so it's better you stay off because you can bargain.
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That's interesting. My mom's phone is off contract since August, she lives out of state so I haven't had a chance to replace it for her. It seems that they want to charge more monthly if you don't do the next plan now. I had signed a 2 year with her line on a LG G2 (I believe) and I was going to renew and just send her another cheaper android phone but when I saw the message that they'd increase her line amount monthly I was like WTF. We have a big plan, 3 tablets and 4 phones with all different dates, the only 2 with the same date are my Nexus 6 and my daughter's iPhone 6+ and she already has the rose colored 6S+ picked out LOL. I believe it's around Valentines day we can trade in, so I have a bit of time to decide.
Don't they keep charging you monthly on next even if you don't upgrade after 12 months?
rachelm920 said:
That's interesting. My mom's phone is off contract since August, she lives out of state so I haven't had a chance to replace it for her. It seems that they want to charge more monthly if you don't do the next plan now. I had signed a 2 year with her line on a LG G2 (I believe) and I was going to renew and just send her another cheaper android phone but when I saw the message that they'd increase her line amount monthly I was like WTF. We have a big plan, 3 tablets and 4 phones with all different dates, the only 2 with the same date are my Nexus 6 and my daughter's iPhone 6+ and she already has the rose colored 6S+ picked out LOL. I believe it's around Valentines day we can trade in, so I have a bit of time to decide.
Don't they keep charging you monthly on next even if you don't upgrade after 12 months?
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No, it's the same price. The only way the plan increases is if you sign a two year contract. If you pay off your phone and buy a new phone like the Nexus the plan stays the same. They were probably just poorly educated on their services. Just don't go on another contract and it will be fine.
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It maybe abit of alot of money but its cheaper to buy the phone without any carrier involved as you will end up with a phone without any logos ( which destroy the look of any phone ) and no carrier crap installed , plus the big win is a firmware upgrade that can be months ahead of the carrier versions , also you would probably get an international phone which has more bands to use on any network , thats what i always do then i get a sim only contract which in the end will save you enough money to have a cheap holiday
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