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This new Pharos Traveler 137 has impressive specs, looks, gps, unbranded, unlocked, 3.5 screen, and best of all 3G for usa T-Mobile & AT&T(1900) users! It's scheduled to be out end of 1st quarter 2009. Here's more info...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1563...ne_offers_navigation_no_network_required.html
http://www.tmonews.com/2009/01/pharos-introduces-first-unlocked-t-mobile-3g-phone/
SPECS:
Operating system: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional (upgradable to WM6.5)
Processor: Qualcomm MSM7201A, 528MHz
Memory: 256MB DDR SDRAM, 512MB Flash ROM
Display: 3.5" TFT LCD Resistive
Resolution: 480 x 800 WVGA with 65K colors
Accelerometer
Phone: Unlocked with one SIM card slot
GSM Quad band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
EDGE / GPRS Class 12
Tri-band AWS 1700/1900/2100 MHz
UMTS 384Kb/s, HSDPA 7.2Mb/s, HSUPA 2Mb/s
Talk time: up to 4 hours ; 200 hours of standby
GPS: NMEA0183/AGPS compatible
Cold start <90 seconds (open sky, typical)
Warm Start <40 seconds (open sky, typical)
Hot start <1 second (open sky, typical)
Digital camera/camcorder: CMOS, 3.0 mega pixels, fix focus
Up to 2048X1536 resolution
0.3 mega pixels front camera for video conference
Antenna: Embedded (2G/3G, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, FM)
Expansion: Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth® v2.0 + EDR
USB 2.0 High Speed
Micro SD slot support SDHC
Stereo audio jack through 11pin mini USB
Battery: 1380 mAh Li-Ion, rechargeable/replaceable
Device Dimension: 4.60in (L) x 2.40in (W) x 0.51in (H)
Device Weight: 4.94oz
gps services on a pay per day basis??!!?? euhm synonims like "prison sex" come to mind (something to do with ass and rape )
I WOULD NEVER get a gps phone that takes its gps service hostage against me the owner!!
Processor: Qualcomm MSM7201A, 528MHz
Must be very Cool then,.
Does anyone know if the screen is resistive? Or capacitive?
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Processor: Qualcomm MSM7201A, 528MHz
Must be very Cool then,.
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I'd rather have a Marvell Processor myself.
AllTheWay said:
I'd rather have a Marvell Processor myself.
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or this just announced Marvell's PXA168 Capable of 1GHz+ would be awesome on a new PPC device!
http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/marvell_pxa168_applications_processor_sheeva/release/1199/
galaxys said:
or this just announced Marvell's PXA168 Capable of 1GHz+ would be awesome on a new PPC device!
http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/marvell_pxa168_applications_processor_sheeva/release/1199/
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. At least the 624mhz one thats in the Omnia would be nice.
pjhollin said:
Does anyone know if the screen is resistive? Or capacitive?
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It's a resistive screen.
I've been looking at this phone for a while, and now that it's out, I'm having a heck of a time finding someone who sells it that has it in stock ( tried the websites suggested here on their website). I did find it for $517, out of stock, on provantage.com but it doesn't seem like this phone is very accessible
I have no reason to be a skeptic as to this phone's ability to get Tmo's 3g. The specifications show that it has the 1700/2100 bands required for the service, but I'd really like to know if anyone has been able to try it out yet and what kind of dl speeds they are getting ( oh, and where you managed to buy one from)
FYI...it has not been released yet. The Pharos forum tech said on 03-31-09:
"The Traveler 137 is due to be released into the market in a couple of months. Unfortunately, we do not have the exact release date at this time. Thank you, Natalie"
Hopefully, they are trying to get WM6.5 on this bad boy for a June release...
when it comes to hardware, i will always check the cpu used
qualcomm = slow, very preformance lag & flickering
Nice shame no physical keyboard and no HTC build...
Agree that HTC & XDA support is important...
Also, it has the same qualcom chip and I wish it had the snapdragon!
FYI...PocketPC Thoughts announced the unlocked Pharos 137 (dual USA 3G & upgradable to WM6.5) finally goes on sale tomorrow at Amazon, Expance, Newegg, etc...
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/mob...ilable-upgradeable-to-windows-mobile-6-5.html
what kind of freaking joke is this??
cant find the phone on amazon, dell, or newegg!
or any places that have the phone "available"!
^looks like Pharos Support replied to U on the their forum: that it would be delayed (again) for 1 week
they better not have anymore delays! i just hate waiting!
otherwise i'm going to get acer f900.
acer f900 uses samsung 533mzh cpu, is that better than qualcom 528mzh?
but f900 only has 256rom/128ram, but i think that is enough?
Does anyone know of any active ROM development for these phones? I would love for someone to cook up a custom build for this phone. Thanks in advance.
sikkboy626 said:
Does anyone know of any active ROM development for these phones? I would love for someone to cook up a custom build for this phone. Thanks in advance.
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Unfortunately, I have not seen any development (yet) for the PT137. It would be on the Pharos forum if there's going to be any cooking...
Note this just went on sale, so not too many have it...
i also have a PT137 and would love to see some rom development but i don't think it's going to happen here at xda. the pharos section in this forum is for the device htc made for them and i don't think htc is making the phones for pharos any more.
i will keep my fingers crossed and hope.
I am really wanting the T-Mobile GX2 and I have read through a lot of posts. I am coming from the Vibrant which has tons of pro's and a few crappy Cons but over all it is a great phone. Even reading through a lot of posts I am still not seeing a few answer's that I have.
One is the Vibrant has 2gigs for app installs. I love this compared to the N1's wimpy 192k. So how much does the 2X have for application storage? By that I mean without Apps2SD.
The screen? Is it a standard LCD? AMOLED? I love the Vibrants screen, but it can be annoying for TXT on some websites.
HDMI output? Is it just a standard cable? and is it a true 1080p on the big screen or a scaled 840x480 that the phone puts out? And is it true mirroring, meaning anything on the phone is displayed on the TV and I mean anything?
WIFI? is it N? Bluetooth? I hear the Wiimote is not working, but I am wondering if the T-Mobile version with the AOSP setup will make a difference.
Speaker internal and ear piece. I am really bad on hearing and I love the Vibrants ear piece as there is an option for HAC mode which CRANKS up the earpiece volume so I can hear in a noisy environment. And is the external speaker loud? Again hearing a game is important and a nice clear loud speaker is not a requirement but a plus.
size and weight? is it a super heavy device? and how does it fit in large hands? Do you feel like it is constantly trying to jump out of your hand? My Vibrant is a bit slick and sometimes I feel like it could just fly out of my hand.
I think that is all I had for now.
Thanks for any of those Q's that you guys can answer. I'm really looking forward to this phone!!
Since I dont have the international version of this phone, I am not sure on some of these things that you mentioned but I will share what I have read so far. I am on the same boat and I am starting to not like my Vibrant due to lack of support from Samsung and also faulty gps. I am considering to buy this phone when it comes out and I don’t think I will ever go with a Samsung phone again.
As far as memory goes, G2X will come with 2gb memory for apps and android system. And it will also come with 8gb storage on board.
The screen is an IPS LCD, I am not sure what exactly it will be called. Since iphone retina displays are made by LG, I am expecting to see similar type of screen. The blacks might not be as good as the AMOLED but it will probably be better dpi, less pixilation. So better text reading compare to vibrant screen.
The phone will will have other similar specs, such as the HDMI output, 512 ROM, 8mp camera and 1.3mo font facing camera, NVidia tegra 2, same wifi chip, same Bluetooth chip and same battery. The HDMI connection will be a micro HDMI to standard hdmi, there wont be any tweaks or adaptors and you should be able to have 1080p signal.
I am not sure on the speakers, others who has this phone will have better input on this.
Size will be almost the same to international version, it will be a little larger than vibrant but same screen size. The weight will be slightly more. Almost the same weight as iphone 4. I believe about 139grams.
Above all this phone will have quad-band data. In other word it will be able connect ATT's 3g network if there is a merge in the future. Also this phone will have a hdspa+ capability, which should be 21mb/s data speeds. But the main reason that I think I want this phone is because it will run on stock android. It will be free of the bloatware and It should look clean and presumably a lot faster. For that reason I am assuming it will take more attention by XDA-devs, and hopefully more custom roms and support.
App install partition is 1.45gb
Screen is a beautiful IPS LCD, as used on the Iphone 4 (LG produce the screen for the Iphone 4) - sharp, very bright, with vibrant colors and good viewing angles
Being an LCD blacks are not as solid black as on Amoled, but blacks are still very good for an LCD and color reproduction is good - it is a very high class LCD screen, pictures look stunning, easily as good as my HTC Desires Amoled screen. Looking at it you wont feel you miss out.
HDMI output is a standard HDMI cable but with micro HDMI in the phone end off cource. The cable comes with the phone. It is true mirroring, what you see on the phone you also see on the screen. Since android itself only support screen resolution op to 854x480 all Android screens (desktop, games etc.) are in this resolution being scaled to selected output resolution of either 720p or 1080p, but when you play video it switch from mirroring to only outputting video in native video resolution, and you can then only see video controls on the phone screen and the video overlay itself in 1080p on the flatscreen.
Wifi is N
Speaker is mediocre - both internal and external - not bad but nothing really special either. No HAC mode to my knowledge
It is not heavy at all, despite its size, which actually doesnt feel that big either, it feels light but solid. The feeling in the hand when holding it is excellent - better than almost anything else. Edges are rounded, even the glass front has rounded sides, backplate are "rubbery" feeling - you dont feel like you are going to drop and its very comfortable to hold and comfortable towards the ear also. I have tried most phones on the market the last 10 years or so and I cant think of anything with a better feel when holding it. Some (who dont own the phone) complaints about the buttom space for softbuttons being to big, but its actually just perfect. The sice means that the softbuttons are comfortable to reach when using the phone with one hand, and it means you dont make accidental touches. My Iphone 4 feel like barbwire in comparison. Sharp, slippery and uncomfortable to hold and to put next to your ear.
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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missed the topic or something?
Thanks guys for the compares! The 1.5Gb install is a win as I really don't want to go back to the limit app space. And I cannot wait to see the screen in person as the Iphone 4 screen does look nice. The micro HDMI is cool, was hoping it wasn't that special USB plug that requires strange adapters. As for the feel I finally pulled up some pics that shows sizes between the Vibrant and the x2 and they look about the same with the x2 being just a bit thicker, so that would work.
The missing HAC is going to suck as my hearing is horrible and I need that extra sound boost. Guess I'll have to wait and see.. er.. hear it.
again thanks guys for the info especially the app space that is a big one!
nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
Mehrsau said:
missed the topic or something?
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
gaww said:
I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
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Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
nomisunrider said:
Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
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Good catch - thought they would list under manufacturer and assumed that it only showed current phone - it actually has the G2x US device. In shows the extra 3G/4G frequencies (the only reason I may get it).
In the list of other software, it does not show WiFi calling - really hope that can be installed.
...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
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I have posted in a couple other forums and the threads lost all meaning because no-one understood what I was asking so I made sure this time by listing some things about the Vibrant as a reference. All I am asking is for 2x info, detailed better then specs sheets tell, so I can see if the G2x is going to be worth getting since both devices will be very similar.
Sorry for the confusion.
unfnknblvbl said:
...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe ATT just wants to be different.
reddragon72 said:
There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe AT&T just wants to be different.
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850 is an AT&T US band - not 900. TMo has a problem here (US) already with selling possible dead-end devices. And since offering "discounted' devices for new or extended contracts is the primary way of signing up and keeping customers in the US, this could be a real problem to them down the road.
Even though many will move up to a different device by then (AT&T) anyway, it still is a worry point, and according to a few local TMo stores - they are noticing it already.
I looked at the network frequencies on t-mobile.com & on phonearena.com and i say this definately my next phone. It has both at&t 3g/hspa and t-mobile 3g/hspa. I'm glad t-mobile brings this out so AT&T won't cripple it like they do their android phones. Its sad that AT&T customers have to go 5 miles to be able to sideload apps, find out that HSUPA is disabled, and deal with capped data speeds. Phuck that. I like AT&T's service but I never bought an AT&T locked android phone. Hence my rant. I will be buying one and unlocking it to use with AT&T. It might help me out if the merger goes through. Having all the bands would totally kick butt!
Looks like release date of the 15th
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2x-may-see-release-april-15-and-g-slate-529-coming-soon
DESIGN
Device type:
Smart phone
OS:
iOS (6)
Dimensions:
4.87 x 2.31 x 0.30 (123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm)
Weight:
3.95 oz (112 g)
the average is 4.1 oz (118 g)
DISPLAY
Physical size:
4 inches
Resolution:
640 x 1136 pixels
Pixel density:
326 ppi
Technology:
IPS LCD
Colors:
16 777 216
Touchscreen:
Capacitive, Multi-touch
Features:
Light sensor, Proximity sensor
BATTERY
Stand-by time:
9.4 days (225 hours)
the average is 20 days (481 h)
Talk time (3G):
8.00 hours
the average is 7 h (403 min)
HARDWARE
System chip:
Apple A6
Processor:
Dual core, ARM Cortex-A15
Graphics processor:
Yes
Built-in storage:
16 GB
CAMERA
Camera:
8 megapixels
Flash:
LED
Aperture size:
F2.4
Features:
Back-illuminated sensor (BSI), Auto focus, Touch to focus, Digital image stabilization, Video stabilizer, Face detection, Geo tagging, High Dynamic Range mode (HDR), Panorama
Camcorder:
1920x1080 (1080p HD) (30 fps)
Features:
Video calling
Front-facing camera:
1.2 megapixels
MULTIMEDIA
Music player:
Filter by:
Album, Artist, Genre, Playlists
Features:
Album art cover, Background playback
Speakers:
Earpiece, Loudspeaker
YouTube player:
Yes
INTERNET BROWSING
Browser:
Yes
Supports:
HTML, HTML5
Built-in online services support:
YouTube (upload)
TECHNOLOGY
CDMA:
800, 1700/2100, 1900 MHz
GSM:
850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS:
850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
LTE:
700 MHz Class 13, 850 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz, 2100 MHz
Data:
LTE Cat3 Downlink 100 Mbit/s, HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS, EV-DO Rev.A, EV-DO Rev.B
Positioning:
A-GPS, Glonass, Cell ID, Wi-Fi positioning
Navigation:
Turn-by-turn navigation
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PHONE FEATURES
Phonebook:
Unlimited entries, Caller groups, Multiple numbers per contact, Search by both first and last name, Picture ID, Ring ID
Organizer:
Calendar, Alarm, Document viewer (Office 2007, Office 2003, PDF), Calculator
Messaging:
SMS, MMS, Threaded view, Predictive text input
E-mail:
IMAP, POP3, SMTP, Microsoft Exchange
CONNECTIVITY
Bluetooth:
4.0
Wi-Fi:
802.11 a, b, g, n, n 5GHz
USB:
Yes
Connector:
Proprietary
Features:
USB charging
Other:
Computer sync, OTA sync
OTHER FEATURES
Notifications:
Music ringtones (MP3), Polyphonic ringtones, Vibration, Flight mode, Silent mode, Speakerphone
Additional microphone/s:
for Noise cancellation, Video recording
Sensors:
Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Compass
Hearing aid compatibility:
M4, T4
Voice dialing, Voice commands, Voice recording
AVAILABILITY
Officially announced:
12 Sep 2012
Scheduled release:
21 Sep 2012 (Official)
SHOPPING INFORMATION
Accessories:
Apple EarPods with Remote and Mic, Lightning to USB Cable, USB Power Adapter, Documentation
TO SEE THE FULL SPECIFICATIONS WITH IN-DEPTH DETAILS CLICK HERE.
Alternative variants
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Apple iPhone 5 32GB
Differences:
Built-in storage:
32 GB
Apple iPhone 5 64GB
Differences:
Built-in storage:
64 GB
Apple iPhone 5 (1428 model)(GSM + LTE)
Differences:
LTE:
700 MHz Class 17, 1700/2100 MHz
Hearing aid compatibility:
M3, T4
Apple iPhone 5 (1429 model)(GSM+ LTE)
Differences:
LTE:
850 MHz, 1800 MHz, 2100 MHz
Despite our efforts to provide full and correct Apple iPhone 5 specifications, there is always a possibility of admitting a mistake. If you see any wrong or incomplete data, please LET US KNOW.
DESIGN
Device type:
Smart phone
OS:
Android (4.0.3, 2.3.4) Sense 3.6 UI
Dimensions:
5.07 x 2.64 x 0.44 (129 x 67 x 11 mm)
Weight:
6.24 oz (177 g)
the average is 4.1 oz (118 g)
DISPLAY
Physical size:
4.50 inches
Resolution:
540 x 960 pixels
Pixel density:
245 ppi
Technology:
S-LCD
Colors:
262 144
Touchscreen:
Capacitive, Multi-touch
Features:
Light sensor, Proximity sensor
BATTERY
Talk time:
4.60 hours
the average is 9 h (529 min)
Stand-by time:
12.2 days (293 hours)
the average is 20 days (481 h)
Capacity:
1620 mAh
HARDWARE
System chip:
Qualcomm Snapdragon S3 APQ8060
Processor:
Dual core, 1200 MHz, Scorpion
Graphics processor:
Adreno 220
System memory:
1024 MB RAM
Built-in storage:
16 GB
Storage expansion:
microSD, microSDHC up to 32 GB
CAMERA
Camera:
8 megapixels
Flash:
Dual LED
Features:
Auto focus
Camcorder:
1920x1080 (1080p HD) (30 fps), 1280x720 (720p HD) (60 fps)
Front-facing camera:
1.3 megapixels
MULTIMEDIA
Music player:
Filter by:
Album, Artist, Playlists
Features:
Album art cover, Background playback
Radio:
FM, Stereo, RDS
YouTube player:
Yes
INTERNET BROWSING
Browser:
Yes
Supports:
HTML, Flash
Built-in online services support:
Facebook, YouTube (upload), Picasa, Twitter
TECHNOLOGY
GSM:
850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS:
850, 1900, 2100 MHz
LTE:
700 MHz Class 17, 1700/2100 MHz
Data:
LTE, HSPA (unspecified), HSUPA, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS
Positioning:
GPS
Navigation:
Yes
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PHONE FEATURES
Phonebook:
Caller groups, Multiple numbers per contact, Search by both first and last name, Picture ID, Ring ID
Organizer:
Calendar, Alarm, Calculator, World clock
Messaging:
SMS, MMS, Threaded view
E-mail:
IMAP, POP3, SMTP, Push e-mail
CONNECTIVITY
Bluetooth:
3.0
Wi-Fi:
802.11 b, g, n
USB:
USB 2.0
Connector:
microUSB
Features:
Mass storage device, USB charging
HDMI:
via microUSB
Other:
MHL, Tethering, Computer sync, OTA sync
OTHER FEATURES
Notifications:
Haptic feedback, Music ringtones (MP3), Polyphonic ringtones, Vibration, Flight mode, Silent mode
Additional microphone/s:
Yes
Sensors:
Accelerometer
Hearing aid compatibility:
M3, T3
Voice dialing, Voice commands, Voice recording, TTY/TDD
AVAILABILITY
Officially announced:
31 Oct 2011
SHOPPING INFORMATION
MSRP price:
$ 550
TO SEE THE FULL SPECIFICATIONS WITH IN-DEPTH DETAILS CLICK HERE.
This device is also known as HTC Raider, HTC Velocity 4G, HTC Raider 4G
Alternative variants
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HTC Raider 4G
Differences:
LTE:
850 MHz
HTC Velocity 4G
Differences:
Weight:
5.78 oz (164 g)
the average is 4.1 oz (118 g)
UMTS:
850, 2100 MHz
LTE:
1800 MHz
Data:
LTE, HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s, HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s
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Taken from phonearena.com
I know I'm a noob here, but I came from the 4S all the way down to the original, to now the Vivid. I don't think it's a fair comparison, the iPhone is nice, but its basically a wallpaper and apps. Whereas any android phone is, well, I'm preaching to the choir. Hardware specs are great and all, but I don't care if the iPhone has a 10ghz processor and 400gb of ram if it doesn't let me quickly check things with widgets or customize how I want. I jail broke all my iphones, but it still wasn't the same as what I can do with android.
I am happy I made the switch and in all honesty, if I was still with iPhone I'd be a little disappointed in the lack of overall end-user change.
gotzaDroid said:
I know I'm a noob here, but I came from the 4S all the way down to the original, to now the Vivid. I don't think it's a fair comparison, the iPhone is nice, but its basically a wallpaper and apps. Whereas any android phone is, well, I'm preaching to the choir. Hardware specs are great and all, but I don't care if the iPhone has a 10ghz processor and 400gb of ram if it doesn't let me quickly check things with widgets or customize how I want. I jail broke all my iphones, but it still wasn't the same as what I can do with android.
I am happy I made the switch and in all honesty, if I was still with iPhone I'd be a little disappointed in the lack of overall end-user change.
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IPhone 5 is outdated anyways...sgs3 that came out 3 months ago has better/faster hardware
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Sounds like a iphone 4s... cannot believe people keep being the same phone over and over again. Glad I got off the wagon on the first stop before Iphone 3g came out.
i agree with all of you, but now that steve jobs died apple started letting you unlock your iphones.. that used to be a b*tch before with ultrasn0w and all imo. so what im trying to sa is apple isnt as crappy as it used to be xD
mg2195 said:
IPhone 5 is outdated anyways...sgs3 that came out 3 months ago has better/faster hardware
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It's not really outdated. They don't need quad core processors in an iPhone, it would be overkill. Even with worse hardware, iPhones are more snappy and crash less. I love Android and all, but I can't deny the simplicity and stability of the iPhone.
slapshot30 said:
It's not really outdated. They don't need quad core processors in an iPhone, it would be overkill. Even with worse hardware, iPhones are more snappy and crash less. I love Android and all, but I can't deny the simplicity and stability of the iPhone.
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See this is the thing people always say...yet they have nothing to back up the stability of an iPhone...the thing with iPhones is that they don't display when there is a crash like android does...ios keeps crashes hidden making them appear stable..but just a few months ago there was a study done that showed that ios actually had more app crashes then android -so iPhones actually do crash more...not less
Now I haven't touched an iPhone5 yet...but the iPhone 4s that my friends have do not even come close to as smooth and snappy as my vivid...let alone the sgs3...that thing just blows everything out of the water...and I only messed around with my cousins att sgs3 -so no quad core...but that was on stock...I could only imagine how much snappier it would be an aosp
I can go on and on but I won't, mainly because these type of debates tend to get a little heated...happened over in the infuse thread, wasn't about iPhones...but it was about apple in general...it got out of hand and I had to request for the mods to close it
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i read at Engadget, not sure if true but, the A6 dual core processor is more of a enhanced cortex a9, much like the A5 or A5X, customized by Apple. the cortex a15 is supposed to be even better than the A6. i repeat, not sure if it's true but after the phone is released we will know for sure.
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See this is the thing people always say...yet they have nothing to back up the stability of an iPhone...the thing with iPhones is that they don't display when there is a crash like android does...ios keeps crashes hidden making them appear stable..but just a few months ago there was a study done that showed that ios actually had more app crashes then android -so iPhones actually do crash more...not less
Now I haven't touched an iPhone5 yet...but the iPhone 4s that my friends have do not even come close to as smooth and snappy as my vivid...let alone the sgs3...that thing just blows everything out of the water...and I only messed around with my cousins att sgs3 -so no quad core...but that was on stock...I could only imagine how much snappier it would be an aosp
I can go on and on but I won't, mainly because these type of debates tend to get a little heated...happened over in the infuse thread, wasn't about iPhones...but it was about apple in general...it got out of hand and I had to request for the mods to close it
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Like I said, I'm all android but we can't be naive. The Vivid is not smoother than an iPhone, scroll through your app drawer, contacts list, or browser and you'll see what I mean. Even the Galaxy Nexus I'm using now with project butter doesn't quite reach the smoothness of the iPhone when scrolling. The iPhone doesn't need maxed out specs for how the OS works.
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Like I said, I'm all android but we can't be naive. The Vivid is not smoother than an iPhone, scroll through your app drawer, contacts list, or browser and you'll see what I mean. Even the Galaxy Nexus I'm using now with project butter doesn't quite reach the smoothness of the iPhone when scrolling. The iPhone doesn't need maxed out specs for how the OS works.
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It may not need maxed out specs...but when in a market you always want to one up your competitors...something apple hasn't done in a while when it comes to hardware...android doesn't need a dual core or a gig of ram to run...but they have androids with dual cores and over a gig of ram because they can/bragging rights...its not a need its just there because they have the ability (I have an infuse that has a single core and only 750mb ram that runs jellybean extremely smooth)...and if an sgs3 and an iPhone are gonna be the same price ill go with the phone that has better hardware
Smoothness...I have no problem with contacts or browser...whether its zooming in or scrolling...completely butter smooth...I've used many iPhones (never owned one) and I'm anything but naive when it comes to mobile devices, in my opinion the vivid is smoother and snappier then the 4s and all its predecessors
I'm also the kind of a guy that wants (if not needs) the best of the best hardware...although I would never need this much power, I'm saving up for parts to build a custom pc that will have 8 cores (probably more by the time I get the money/a job...), 32gb of ram, 3tb HDD...etc not cause I need all that but cause I can...pretty much bragging rights...I wanna be that guy that has the fastest hardware -so that plays a huge role in my opinion...its just the way I am, I want the best
Everyone has differnt opinions, everyone wants there phone to do different things...one device can't satisfy everyone, get what you like and enjoy it...
I like the smoothness of the vivid, you like the smoothness of the iPhone -let's leave it at that...no amount of debating will change either of our minds
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Lmao at this thread. It's always iphone vs something. Considering the vivid isn't a flagship of well anything and the 5 is the flagship of Apple, they can't be compared imo. A more fair comparison would be vs the One X, Galaxy S3, or Galaxy Nexus. Just sayin
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This thread is dumb.
Why would you compare a phone that came out almost a year ago to the iPhone 5? That is asinine.
Try comparing it to the Galaxy Note 2 or the HTC One X.
Then ignore the gpu benchmark garbage because the iOS ui is driven by the gpu whereas android only recently got true hardware acceleration as of ICS, and even with it, the ui processes are mostly cpu based only using the gpu when necessary unless you enable the feature in the development settings to always use HA.
So, in short, stop being stupid and learn how to properly research and compare technologies instead of spouting spec sheets comparing a brand new flagship against a former flagship. Compare the Vivid to the 4S
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How bout apples new map app? Now iPhone 5 doesnt compare to any android IMO.
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I don't know why everyone thinks the vivid used to be a flag ship...it never was a flag ship...at least not in my opinion...it was just another phone with decent specs released to keep the funds coming in for htc...nothing about the vivid Is really flagship worthy...1.2ghz dual for stock...was common back when vivid was released, 1gb if ram...again was common, lte...only thing that put it above other Att phones at the time
Go ahead and disagree with me...I'm just stating my opinion...
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It was pretty much made just to show off lte
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It was pretty much made just to show off lte
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Exactly - in a lot of ways, it was a "middle of the road" device even back then.
What's interesting, though, is that it can still compete in a lot of ways with the latest offering from Apple.
Actually I think it was top of the line at release. The hardware was very good for the time, better than any other phone on AT&T. The only other competitor was the skyrocket. If they wouldn't have messed with the bootloader we would've had a huge dev community. Tons of devs pledged to come to the Vivid but they went back on their word after the bootloader fiasco.
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Lmao at this thread. It's always iphone vs something. Considering the vivid isn't a flagship of well anything and the 5 is the flagship of Apple, they can't be compared imo. A more fair comparison would be vs the One X, Galaxy S3, or Galaxy Nexus. Just sayin
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Its funny tho because the vivid is about the same or even better than the iphone 5
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This thread is dumb.
Why would you compare a phone that came out almost a year ago to the iPhone 5? That is asinine.
Try comparing it to the Galaxy Note 2 or the HTC One X.
Then ignore the gpu benchmark garbage because the iOS ui is driven by the gpu whereas android only recently got true hardware acceleration as of ICS, and even with it, the ui processes are mostly cpu based only using the gpu when necessary unless you enable the feature in the development settings to always use HA.
So, in short, stop being stupid and learn how to properly research and compare technologies instead of spouting spec sheets comparing a brand new flagship against a former flagship. Compare the Vivid to the 4S
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Dude. Go get a m'fn life and stop spouting **** about things you don't know about >.< the vivid is awesome, better than the 5 imo so yeah. Bye cx
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ikr but the vivid can still compete against the iPhone 5 , even tho almost being 1yr old now
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Hey Guys,
Just noticed Android Wear's upcoming update claiming that it will enable the dormant WiFi that "most Android Wear watches already have the hardware for" and I'm hoping this one is no exception! Can anyone confirm if the G watch R's version of the Snapdragon 400 has the WiFi chip on board?
Really want to pull the trigger on this watch, wifi connectivity would push me over the fence to finally justify Android Wear ...
Peut être, en tout cas,la puce wifi est intégrée au snapdragon 400 normalement.
Wow that would be really nice
Take a look here. It looks like the GWR has indeed wifi on board
The Snapdragon 400 which is in the LG G Watch R comes with the following on the chip found here:
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/400
LTE:
Integrated 4G LTE Advanced World Mode, supporting LTE FDD, LTE TDD, WCDMA (DC-HSPA+), CDMA1x, EV-DO Rev. B, TD-SCDMA and GSM/EDGE
CAT4 speeds of up to 150 Mbps
3rd Generation integrated LTE modem, with support for LTE-Broadcast and LTE multimode dual-SIM (DSDS and DSDA)"
WiFi:
Qualcomm® VIVE™ 802.11n/ac† Integrated digital core
GPS:
Qualcomm® IZat™ Gen8A
Unless I'm missing something here those are all included in the chip right per QualComm's website.
They can still be disabled, and Qualcomm need payment for the drivers and license, also antennas are needed. Of course that all might be already covered.
Nice to hear
And you can see this link too http://www.slideshare.net/jjwu6266/qualcomm-snapdragon-400based-android-wear
w w w .notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-400-APQ8026-SoC.127990.0.html
My fear was it had a variant of the Snapdragon 400, the APQ8026, that didn't have WiFi capability, or as mentioned earlier, a missing antenna (or some other hardware excuse or limitation) that would not permit enabling WiFi once the update is out... Hope I'm wrong
Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 MSM8226 this processor is LG G Watch R
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Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 MSM8226 this processor is LG G Watch R
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I think its 8026 model you can refer it in wikipedia too
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I think its 8026 model you can refer it in wikipedia too
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Darn.. Really hoping its the chipset with wireless built in... Really don't want to have to listen to all the Apple Watch owners at work.. "Well my watch does not need to be connected to the phone".. grr... BTW, I actually switched from an Iphone 6 back to android (been about 4 years) just for this watch.. Lets hope we do have the wireless chipset... Now Now I know some of you may be thinking.. "Why whats the big deal, its supposed to be a companion device".. I agree, just would be nice to have the option..
If the bluetooth and wifi is part of the same module then there is a good chance that they share the same antenna for 2.4 ghz.
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The G Watch R does indeed have a Qualcomm APQ8026 as stated by the AIDA64 android wear app. However, the APQ8026 is also used on several Microsoft, LG, and Samsung smartphones and tablets that clearly have wifi connectivity, so that is a good sign.
Here's the chipset claims I found so far for this watch:
gsmarena.com/lg_g_watch_r-review-1173.php
Claims "Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 (MSM8226)", article is dated Dec 1 2014.
Source 2, Wikipedia, claims "Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 MSM8226"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_G_Watch_R
Source 3, claims "MSM8026"
hwbot.org/hardware/device/3727/w110_g_watch_r/
So not sure if it varies by region, or nobody really knows which chipset lurks beneath.. No sign of specs on LG's website, the manual pdf, or Google Store.
What if you try to check chipset via adb, does "Hardware:" show anything on android wear?
Code:
adb shell cat proc/cpuinfo
Other than updating the time and weather etc, what benefits would WiFi have anyways? The phone is still needed for most interactive services isn't it? And wouldn't any real benefits require the wear api to be updated heavily?
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Other than updating the time and weather etc, what benefits would WiFi have anyways? The phone is still needed for most interactive services isn't it? And wouldn't any real benefits require the wear api to be updated heavily?
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By connecting through the same WiFi network, one would get the benefit of knowing all the notifications, calls, updates, etc. without having to have the main phone on you all the time (in my case, my beloved bulky note 3). Basically keeps the watch functional within the bigger range of a home/office WiFi network rather than just when it's in device Bluetooth range. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
Using WiFi, the watch would never need to be near the phone for anything, except security if you have a screen lock that turns on when away from the watch.
Everything could be managed via Wifi instead of Bluetooth. No more worries if walking away from your phone and losing connection to everything. Android Wear could be adjusted to manage everything via WiFi instead. Or, use both Bluetooth and Wifi interchangeably as needed.
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For me it would have extremely limited usefulness anyway, about the only place I have a Wifi connection is at home... where my phone will be.
AIDA 64 run on the watch reports the CPU as the 8026.
Just a final update on the topic, it seems that another discussion regarding the older LG g watch (with similar internal hardware as newer g watch r), the only radio chipset seen was the BT 4.0, and "no wifi hardware in sight" as explained by fellow member ShadowEO:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-w...-watch-gps-t3032275/post59466827#post59466827
And a comparison of both watches confirming that the r version (w110) is identical in processor specs as the previous w100 model, both with the 8026 snapdragon 400, and no WiFi support:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=6694&id2=6405
"GPS Module Type: gpsOneGen 8A with GLONASS"
Does this mean our watch have gps like SWR3 but disabled?
Hello,
I'd like to buy the X Performance when it comes out and use it on my current T-Mobile network. Since I'll be buying the phone unlocked, I understand I will need to input certain "setup" info for the phone to work properly. I actually know how to enter in everything and also WHAT to enter too.......... the APN info, Voicemail, etc.
What I DON'T know how to do is enter in the following fields and where to enter them in too:
Short Message Service (SMS)
SMS Email: [email protected]
Email center: 500
Where do I go to enter those on a Sony phone?? Or, will my T-Mobile SIM card just automatically enter these in for me? Please explain.
Thank You!!
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Hello,
I'd like to buy the X Performance when it comes out and use it on my current T-Mobile network. Since I'll be buying the phone unlocked, I understand I will need to input certain "setup" info for the phone to work properly. I actually know how to enter in everything and also WHAT to enter too.......... the APN info, Voicemail, etc.
What I DON'T know how to do is enter in the following fields and where to enter them in too:
Short Message Service (SMS)
SMS Email: [email protected]
Email center: 500
Where do I go to enter those on a Sony phone?? Or, will my T-Mobile SIM card just automatically enter these in for me? Please explain.
Thank You!!
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Seems like a very premature question. You might have to wait a few months for the phone to be released to get this answer. Can I have your Galaxy S7 when you get the XP?
PuffDaddy_d said:
Seems like a very premature question. You might have to wait a few months for the phone to be released to get this answer. Can I have your Galaxy S7 when you get the XP?
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lol What up Puff?
Well I actually got the answer I believe on the T-Mobile forum site. Someone there said they never had to that stuff and they have an unlocked phone too. I think I may have to do the APN part, but I have all that info now anyway. So it should be ok.
Yeah.......... it was just announced TODAY that the X Performance is being released GLOBALLY (including U.S. I believe) the FIRST week of July. F M L. lol
Xperia X range release dates in Europe
Xperia X – Late May 2016 (week commencing 23 May)
Xperia XA – Late June 2016 (week commencing 20 June)
Xperia X Performance – Early July 2016 (week commencing 4 July)
Haha have? No. But I WILL be selling it on eBay. lol What sucks is by then it will be worth a little less so that's less money I'll have to put towards the X Performance. Really p's me off that they're taking THIS long to release it when it was announced back in FEB. The S7 is great but there a few things that I don't like about it that are an issue for me. If you want to know more, let me know.
I don't get why they'd release it last too? It's the best of the 3 phones, so why release it LAST? Especially with the Z series now being history. Sony..........makers of great phones, employers of the world's biggest ****-tards for marketing and sales. No TV ads, no........but let's put our generic/lightweight ads on the internet only. Umm...... that's NOT how it works. The only ppl who will see those ads are the ones who are ACTIVELY seeking Sony phones. You need to get the name out there. Get some big celebrities like Clooney or Lawrence to do your ads, and make them COOL not idiotic like that new LG G5 one with Jason Statham. lol Until then, they could AT LEAST put THIS sweet ad on American TV. I think it trumps all their "usual" ads on YouTube by miles. Love the music on it too. Actually "sells" the Predictive Hybrid Autofocus rather well too without having to try so hard.
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lol What up Puff?
Well I actually got the answer I believe on the T-Mobile forum site. Someone there said they never had to that stuff and they have an unlocked phone too. I think I may have to do the APN part, but I have all that info now anyway. So it should be ok.
Yeah.......... it was just announced TODAY that the X Performance is being released GLOBALLY (including U.S. I believe) the FIRST week of July. F M L. lol
Xperia X range release dates in Europe
Xperia X – Late May 2016 (week commencing 23 May)
Xperia XA – Late June 2016 (week commencing 20 June)
Xperia X Performance – Early July 2016 (week commencing 4 July)
Haha have? No. But I WILL be selling it on eBay. lol What sucks is by then it will be worth a little less so that's less money I'll have to put towards the X Performance. Really p's me off that they're taking THIS long to release it when it was announced back in FEB. The S7 is great but there a few things that I don't like about it that are an issue for me. If you want to know more, let me know.
I don't get why they'd release it last too? It's the best of the 3 phones, so why release it LAST? Especially with the Z series now being history. Sony..........makers of great phones, employers of the world's biggest ****-tards for marketing and sales. No TV ads, no........but let's put our generic/lightweight ads on the internet only. Umm...... that's NOT how it works. The only ppl who will see those ads are the ones who are ACTIVELY seeking Sony phones. You need to get the name out there. Get some big celebrities like Clooney or Lawrence to do your ads, and make them COOL not idiotic like that new LG G5 one with Jason Statham. lol Until then, they could AT LEAST put THIS sweet ad on American TV. I think it trumps all their "usual" ads on YouTube by miles. Love the music on it too. Actually "sells" the Predictive Hybrid Autofocus rather well too without having to try so hard.
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If you don't mind, shoot me a quick list if the things you don't like about the S7. It seems like the almost perfect device on paper, but I'd like to know what a former compact user thinks.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
If you don't mind, shoot me a quick list if the things you don't like about the S7. It seems like the almost perfect device on paper, but I'd like to know what a former compact user thinks.
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Puff,
1) Screen Brightness: Under heavy sunlight, the screen brightness on the S7 is f'ign awful. Squint (your eyes) City. lol My Z3's screen brightness S*IT on the S7's.
2) Fast But Not Fast lol: Touchwiz is not that great. Yeah the S7 is very fast for downloads, but I compared the speed of jumping around from app to app on the homescreen vs. doing the same thing on my parents' Xperia Z1s (released January 2014), and THEIR phone was loading things up faster. For real. lol That lag is all Touchwiz. Plus although the Settings Menu is better than before, I still find it more confusing to navigate through than Sony's or HTC's are.
3) Audio Issues (and I'm an Audiophile......Lite lol): First off, the speaker. It's F'ING GOD AWFUL!!! Seriously. There's only one speaker, and it's facing down. Drum sounds render on it like the sound of someone shooting a laser gun. lol Then there's the headphone issue. Using the 3.5mm port is fine, but I use an "in-between" portable amp/DAC device which hooks up to my smartphone and headphones via Micro USB. While listening to music this way, at least once every few minutes (sometimes more), I will hear a hiccup or skip. I pay GOOD money for my Hi-Res music, and the S7 is taking the enjoyment away from me everyday I'm STUCK with it until the XP comes out (a nice big F U to Sony Mobile's execs for deciding to release the FLAGSHIP X phone LAST)! Oh, and using that same setup to watch YouTube videos? Forget it. Hiccup? Try "mad stutter" to the point where it's not even worth it. This makes the screen brightness issue not seem so bad. lol
4) Home Button: This might be more a preference thing, but I've come to realize I DO NOT LIKE physical home buttons. I'd found an app that makes the physical home button act like a virtual one, but it only seems to work 60-70% of the time. So since it's not 100%, this for me becomes yet another issue I have with this phone.
That's pretty much everything I guess. Samsung Pay is kinda cool, the camera is fantastic, wireless charging is kinda kewl too, looks pretty premium too (cuz they finally did what Sony's been doing FOR YEARS and stopped making plastic-bodies phones lol), but I know the XP's camera will be great, and wireless charging is no big deal to me at all (the free one I got from Samsung is not even QC 2.0). They say Samsung may make Samsung Pay available to other phones, so if that happens, I'll probably get it again on Sony, but if not, I won't lose any sleep either. But at the stores, ppl do seem interested in watching me use it. lol It BY FAR is the best mobile pay method there is. It works every time., and you can set it up to be activated via fingerprint which saves you a couple seconds of not having to enter in your passcode.
Hope that helps!
I'm surprised to hear you say the screen doesn't get bright enough. All of the phone comparisons I've seen on YouTube indicate that it's the brightest of the major manufacturers.
I need a loud speaker though because I like showing YouTube videos to my wife and listening to music in the shower. It needs to overcome background noise fairly well.
How does it fit in your hand though? Comfortable one hand operation is key for me.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
I'm surprised to hear you say the screen doesn't get bright enough. All of the phone comparisons I've seen on YouTube indicate that it's the brightest of the major manufacturers.
I need a loud speaker though because I like showing YouTube videos to my wife and listening to music in the shower. It needs to overcome background noise fairly well.
How does it fit in your hand though? Comfortable one hand operation is key for me.
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Puff,
It might come as a surprise, but it's the truth. Under heavy sunlight, I can barely see my screen. At 100% brightness, my S7 is maybe only 75-80% as bright as my Z3 was. And judging by this video comparison of the Z5 vs. the X (X & XP have the same screen I believe), the XP should be PLENTY bright. (Watch it all if you like, but in particular, make sure you check out 3:35 - 4:25).
The S7's speaker IS loud....... so you don't have to worry about that. It just doesn't sound very good is all. For showing your wife YouTube videos, the XP would be the clear winner there. STEREO front-facing speakers that are also very clear................vs. a downward facing speaker that isn't. But again, that's just my opinion. I felt the Z3's speakers were plenty loud (like the M8's), so I don't see it being a problem. Plus the XP like the S7 will be waterproof.
The S7 fits pretty well in my hand. I can't complain there. The S7 Edge that I had briefly before it was too big plus there's no way to deactivate the edge screens, so I'd constantly be accidentally starting up apps or hitting virtual buttons on screen while watching videos.
Let me know if you have any more questions, and what you think of that video too.
I don't think the X is going to support volte or evs. Sony don't care about USA
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I don't think the X is going to support volte or evs. Sony don't care about USA
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I don't know if it's that they don't care, it's just that those features (regardless of which brand phone it is) are carrier-specific, not phone-specific. I just confirmed with a T-Mobile supervisor that information, so unfortunately it sounds like if I get the XP I won't get HD Voice or VoLTE. Sux but oh well. I love the phone too much to give that stuff up. If I get it and am unhappy with it, then I'll just get the T-Mobile HTC 10 instead. A very close 2nd IMO. But the XP has a better camera, so since I don't make many calls, the XP still sounds better.
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I don't think the X is going to support volte or evs. Sony don't care about USA
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km8j,
Some GOOD news..........despite my discovery that the X series will not have VoLTE, I found out it's really not an issue at all. Having VoLTE used to mean you could browse and connect to the internet WHILE ON a call. Before you couldn't do both. But I just tested out an Xperia Z1s which does NOT have VoLTE on it, and tried to browse the net and use apps like GMail app while on a call...... and apparently now you CAN do both at the same time even w/o having VoLTE!! So really, it's not a big deal at all!
VoLTE helps to connect your calls faster too, but if I have to wait a few more seconds, so be it.
RockStar2005 said:
km8j,
Some GOOD news..........despite my discovery that the X series will not have VoLTE, I found out it's really not an issue at all. Having VoLTE used to mean you could browse and connect to the internet WHILE ON a call. Before you couldn't do both. But I just tested out an Xperia Z1s which does NOT have VoLTE on it, and tried to browse the net and use apps like GMail app while on a call...... and apparently now you CAN do both at the same time even w/o having VoLTE!! So really, it's not a big deal at all!
VoLTE helps to connect your calls faster too, but if I have to wait a few more seconds, so be it.
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This is not factually accurate. For years, GSM has been able to handle simultaneous voice and data. The issue is, without VoLTE, when you make a call and are on LTE, the data signal falls back to HSPA, which is far slower and less reliable. So yes you can do data at the same time but not as fast. Also, b12 not being supported means not as good signal in areas where that is deployed. VoLTE offers shorter call connect times, yes but also higher quality audio, more reliability and more.
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This is not factually accurate. For years, GSM has been able to handle simultaneous voice and data. The issue is, without VoLTE, when you make a call and are on LTE, the data signal falls back to HSPA, which is far slower and less reliable. So yes you can do data at the same time but not as fast. Also, b12 not being supported means not as good signal in areas where that is deployed. VoLTE offers shorter call connect times, yes but also higher quality audio, more reliability and more.
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Oh geez, you're RIGHT km8j!! lol I just realized while reading your post that yeah VoLTE DOES let you stay in 4G LTE while on a call. Thanks. lol Yeah not as fast.
b12??
Ok yeah....... better quality calls too. Oh well. lol I found out now that Verizon and Sprint just got that recently, so that's prob why I remembered not being able to do both at the same time. I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile in Feb of 2014. When I had Verizon, they did not yet have that option, only AT&T and T-Mobile did. So that affected my statements made.
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Oh geez, you're RIGHT km8j!! lol I just realized while reading your post that yeah VoLTE DOES let you stay in 4G LTE while on a call. Thanks. lol Yeah not as fast.
b12??
Ok yeah....... better quality calls too. Oh well. lol I found out now that Verizon and Sprint just got that recently, so that's prob why I remembered not being able to do both at the same time. I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile in Feb of 2014. When I had Verizon, they did not yet have that option, only AT&T and T-Mobile did. So that affected my statements made.
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Sony once again has no band 12? So service with t mobile isn't 100% supported and may see signal drop in areas where t mobile branded phones will still have signal.
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Sony once again has no band 12? So service with t mobile isn't 100% supported and may see signal drop in areas where t mobile branded phones will still have signal.
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What? That's not true. Sony most certainly has Band 12/700 MHz service for the XP, and T-Mobile does offer it it as well.
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What? That's not true. Sony most certainly has Band 12/700 MHz service for the XP, and T-Mobile does offer it it as well.
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T mobile is band 12 1700 or 2100 I thought. They barely use the 700
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MGSBigBoss said:
T mobile is band 12 1700 or 2100 I thought. They barely use the 700
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No brotha........ they might have 1700 too, but I know FOR SURE they have Band 12/700 MHz cuz I've been following that s*it for a while now. Even on that T-Mo map link I just sent you it says "Officially announced markets where 700 MHz band 12 network has been deployed have a circled 12 placed on them."
So don't worry about that. lol As long as you live in an area on the map on that page that has it now, you'll have it with the XP too, if you were to get it I mean.
No. Just because the hardware supports it, doesn't mean it will work. T-Mobile has to certify it. Sony won't go through that. They don't care
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km8j said:
No. Just because the hardware supports it, doesn't mean it will work. T-Mobile has to certify it. Sony won't go through that. They don't care
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As above the ideal way to use the xperia p is pretty much on Att. And even then you're lacking features. Is there anything in the near future standardizing LTE bands?
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km8j said:
No. Just because the hardware supports it, doesn't mean it will work. T-Mobile has to certify it. Sony won't go through that. They don't care
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I don't understand. If the network has it, and the phone supports, why wouldn't it work?? This isn't VoLTE, this is something the phone actually has. So according to you, the 2G and 3G networks wouldn't work then b/c Sony didn't have them certified through T-Mobile either...which means you wouldn't even be able to make calls on it.
Not only does this site say that both the phone and T-Mobile match up with regards to Band 12, even GSM Arena's specs sheet for the XP states it has Band 12. So I have a hard time understanding how it won't work.
MGSBigBoss said:
As above the ideal way to use the xperia p is pretty much on Att. And even then you're lacking features. Is there anything in the near future standardizing LTE bands?
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MGS,
Well AT&T is fine too as they (like T-Mobile) are also a GSM-based network carrier. Both are equally compatible with the XP per that site I linked you earlier.
I would hope that in the NEAR future all phone makers make HD Voice & VoLTE standard. My guess as to why that hasn't happened yet is that it would cost more money and the phone makers know that not all markets actually have these options yet. But they should just include them anyway as that is changing everyday.