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maybe like a glass screen protector but for the camera, or even possibly a plastic one but it might not be as "transparent" when taking pictures.
anyone seen anything or am i going tohave to build my own?
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maybe like a glass screen protector but for the camera, or even possibly a plastic one but it might not be as "transparent" when taking pictures.
anyone seen anything or am i going tohave to build my own?
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Don't bother. Pictures will look terrible. Just take care of your phone.
i just noticed another thread on the S4 forums someone said
"Stick a piece of clear scotch tape. "
seems interesting and easy to replace/recut. i might try that first and see how image quality compares
from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection
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from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection
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camera just fine for all my previous phone no scratch nothing shiny as new, had note went to bench and everything not a single scratches, o yeh i take a lot of pictures about 5GB of photos that taken by my note
This phone has a sapphire lens, which is a very hard material, I don't think its needed.
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This phone has a sapphire lens, which is a very hard material, I don't think its needed.
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Ehh, that's what I thought. Think again http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475976
I think if you don't have a case it could be a problem.
It is a hard lens, but there will be minor, very light scratches on it, most likely it won't affect your pictures, but I was thinking this same thing tho, maybe a tiny piece of ghost armor over the camera.
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from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection
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People that are having this serious a problem should be contacting Lg about warranty work. Sapphire shouldn't scratch up that easy, that fast under normal use. I have watches that use sapphire and the only thing not scratched to hell is the sapphire.
Yeah... I might contact LG, but I've already had Verizon replace my phone (the original one in that thread) due to the scratches... New one began doing it as well, after the first time or two I wiped it off with the underside of my shirt. I ended up using a part of my left over zeiss pure crystal screen protector and custom cut out a small piece and put it on my camera lens... Works pretty good. Oh, it doesn't scratch nearly as easily as the lens did... I've had it on for a couple of weeks now and hardly any scratching. Check out the attached photo... May hinder photo quality some, but it's not much.
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Yeah... I might contact LG, but I've already had Verizon replace my phone (the original one in that thread) due to the scratches... New one began doing it as well, after the first time or two I wiped it off with the underside of my shirt. I ended up using a part of my left over zeiss pure crystal screen protector and custom cut out a small piece and put it on my camera lens... Works pretty good. Oh, it doesn't scratch nearly as easily as the lens did... I've had it on for a couple of weeks now and hardly any scratching. Check out the attached photo... May hinder photo quality some, but it's not much.
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It's my guess that majority of the scratches are caused by fingers, when there is a dust or debris on the lens, user mistakenly puts his/her finger on the lens trying to use the controls. I am also planning to use invisible tape on camera lens, when it is pressed against glass, it usually turns invisible, I think that might work. I can just remove and toss it when I need to use the camera, and when I am home I can just apply it again.
When I first saw LG G2 on it's release day in the store, I seriously thought those rear buttons were sliding camera cover, I thought to myself, what a great idea to protect the lens, then I realized they were buttons when I handled the phone and I could not find any buttons on the side (I initially thought there were touch sensitive sliding rocker/buttons on the side)
I took the old screen protector that was part of the packaging and cut a piece to cover the camera lens. :silly:
I haven't compared pictures, but I haven't noticed loss of quality or adverse effects for the auto-focus.
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When I first saw LG G2 on it's release day in the store, I seriously thought those rear buttons were sliding camera cover, I thought to myself, what a great idea to protect the lens, then I realized they were buttons when I handled the phone and I could not find any buttons on the side (I initially thought there were touch sensitive sliding rocker/buttons on the side)
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My old Sony Ericsson had a sliding camera cover, that thing was awesome. You never have to worry about finger prints or scratching the camera.
Not to mention it also worked as a shortcut for the camera app like the volume down button on the G2.
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I took the old screen protector that was part of the packaging and cut a piece to cover the camera lens. :silly:
I haven't compared pictures, but I haven't noticed loss of quality or adverse effects for the auto-focus.
My old Sony Ericsson had a sliding camera cover, that thing was awesome. You never have to worry about finger prints or scratching the camera.
Not to mention it also worked as a shortcut for the camera app like the volume down button on the G2.
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Brilliant idea, sir. :good: I should have kept it clean when I took it off instead of just tossing it away. I still have two more screen protectors, and a set from an old phone, I think I am going to do that! Just cut it in the shape of the lens, odd shape but it should be OK. Maybe I can find 1:1 pdf of the back of the G2 and use that as template. Hey, maybe we should start selling them, I am sure people will buy a screen protector bundle that comes with a small piece for the camera over the ones that don't!
And I totally miss those old days when things were more functional. I can see some manufacturer (mostly Apple does this) recycle this idea and pass it as the "next great innovation"
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Brilliant idea, sir. :good: I should have kept it clean when I took it off instead of just tossing it away. I still have two more screen protectors, and a set from an old phone, I think I am going to do that! Just cut it in the shape of the lens, odd shape but it should be OK. Maybe I can find 1:1 pdf of the back of the G2 and use that as template. Hey, maybe we should start selling them, I am sure people will buy a screen protector bundle that comes with a small piece for the camera over the ones that don't!
And I totally miss those old days when things were more functional. I can see some manufacturer (mostly Apple does this) recycle this idea and pass it as the "next great innovation"
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Haha, maybe. I don't know why more companies don't make protectors for the camera lenses on phones. It's probably even more important to protect them since they'll affect quality of pictures whereas a scratch (on a relative scratch proof gorilla glass) screen is more of an aesthetic annoyance.
I do miss the "mechanical feel" of the slider for my camera. It was fun just to play around and use the camera in that regards. I remember my criteria in selecting a cellphone was that it should be a flip phone. Might seem cheesy to some people nowadays but the feeling is much different maybe like how some people prefer physical keyboards on phones. Objects around us are becoming increasingly numb-feeling. I guess that's one of the reasons I really enjoy my mechanical watch. Might not have the accuracy of an atomic watch but it's pleasing to look at.
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Haha, maybe. I don't know why more companies don't make protectors for the camera lenses on phones. It's probably even more important to protect them since they'll affect quality of pictures whereas a scratch (on a relative scratch proof gorilla glass) screen is more of an aesthetic annoyance.
I do miss the "mechanical feel" of the slider for my camera. It was fun just to play around and use the camera in that regards. I remember my criteria in selecting a cellphone was that it should be a flip phone. Might seem cheesy to some people nowadays but the feeling is much different maybe like how some people prefer physical keyboards on phones. Objects around us are becoming increasingly numb-feeling. I guess that's one of the reasons I really enjoy my mechanical watch. Might not have the accuracy of an atomic watch but it's pleasing to look at.
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Rip the brand name and different colors/shades on pretty much all phones nowadays, most people can't tell one from another anymore, except Blackberry Q10. Not much originality anymore, I loved the idea of buttons on the back, and I went for it, now I find myself knocking on my wife's older LG phone, just like I found myself swiping up on all other phones when I used Z10 for 2 weeks. Originality is slowly dying not because it is a bad idea but because of all the people out there expecting things to be certain way, and to think that cellphones took this form just in last 5-6 years, I say we all got used to this way to quickly. Think about the criticism G2 received even before it was released "no way, buttons on the back, LG has lost its mind", then "Wow, I find it very easy to use and more ergonomic than trying to reach for the buttons on one sides"
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Rip the brand name and different colors/shades on pretty much all phones nowadays, most people can't tell one from another anymore, except Blackberry Q10. Not much originality anymore, I loved the idea of buttons on the back, and I went for it, now I find myself knocking on my wife's older LG phone, just like I found myself swiping up on all other phones when I used Z10 for 2 weeks. Originality is slowly dying not because it is a bad idea but because of all the people out there expecting things to be certain way, and to think that cellphones took this form just in last 5-6 years, I say we all got used to this way to quickly. Think about the criticism G2 received even before it was released "no way, buttons on the back, LG has lost its mind", then "Wow, I find it very easy to use and more ergonomic than trying to reach for the buttons on one sides"
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Yea, it's crazy how phones (smart phones anyways) basically "standardized" over the past 5 years.
When I saw the rear buttons on the G2 before it was released, I knew it would be a great location. Bought the phone without even running by a demo and it was exactly as I expected.
The button placement works well even though many people thought otherwise.
I am confused are these scratches coming from shipment or just crap in peoples pocket
Hey everybody, well I just got my pair of tangerine Google Glass this morning and am currently running the set up and update to xe12. During both of which I can see about 5 lightly colored white specks on the right hand side of the screen. Is this normal or can anyone else explain why they are there? I called glass support and asked and Chris answered that they may just be from shipping so I wiped all sides of the prism with a clean micro fiber cloth and I can still see them. They almost look like stars in the distance if that makes sense. Anyway I also asked about the protective film that is installed on booth the front and back of the prism and Chris said those are suppose to stay on and are permanent so I shouldn't remove those. Any ideas would be appreciated. It's not a huge deal but still something I noticed right away. Kind of like dead pixels on a cell phone or tablet display.
I didn't have it but I went in for a fitting a few weeks ago and it still feels like it was just a blur
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Yep that's exactly what they are... dead pixels. My Glass has two from what I can see and they are along the bottom. Now when I first noticed and contacted Glass support I was told since the 2 dead pixels were not interfering with the function of Glass and I could still very clearly see the display, that it was not enough to warrant a swap. This being a beta or prototype, it won't be perfect so unless it hinders you from using Glass you may not be able to swap. I'm hoping my hardware swap will be flawless ?
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Yep that's exactly what they are... dead pixels. My Glass has two from what I can see and they are along the bottom. Now when I first noticed and contacted Glass support I was told since the 2 dead pixels were not interfering with the function of Glass and I could still very clearly see the display, that it was not enough to warrant a swap. This being a beta or prototype, it won't be perfect so unless it hinders you from using Glass you may not be able to swap. I'm hoping my hardware swap will be flawless ?
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Thanks for your reply. I've actually decided to return my pair of Glass for primarily battery life concerns and actual use case scenario's. I've found that instead of Glass being a companion to my cell phone it has really become just another separate entity and that is usefulness in my everyday life doesn't currently justify the $1,700 I spent. The battery drain and drop overnight for unknown reasons is very troubling and needs to be addressed before a consumer release. 3-4 hours of real world use just isn't enough for me. Anyways good luck to the rest of you explorers out there and I'm sure I'll be rejoining the forums after the retail release. That is as long as the price is reasonable enough and my issues have been addressed from the pre-release version.
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Thanks for your reply. I've actually decided to return my pair of Glass for primarily battery life concerns and actual use case scenario's. I've found that instead of Glass being a companion to my cell phone it has really become just another separate entity and that is usefulness in my everyday life doesn't currently justify the $1,700 I spent. The battery drain and drop overnight for unknown reasons is very troubling and needs to be addressed before a consumer release. 3-4 hours of real world use just isn't enough for me. Anyways good luck to the rest of you explorers out there and I'm sure I'll be rejoining the forums after the retail release. That is as long as the price is reasonable enough and my issues have been addressed from the pre-release version.
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I've found the same to be true. The entire left side of glass is empty, why not have a battery on that side... I think years from now they'll be selling dual display glass, where the left would display one set of info, and the right could have another. It's so early though, there's not even an option to look at a "photo" app. I think the entire setup needs a little rethinking. Why not have an "APP" card where you can scroll through apps? and a "Gallery" app where you can see photos/videos you've taken, once the cards have gone so far you've lost that picture completely unless you connect to a PC or use your phone.
Lot's of things simple things like displaying date/weather on the main screen or controlling brightness manually aren't even options?!? I see this going another route once it gets out of the hands of the current folks at Google, it's like Android is one way, and Glass is a totally different entity itself at this point...
Getting my $1,620 back and buying some parts for my Mustang! Good luck explorers, I've had fun but it's just not there yet.
hello everybody,
I just purchased a GG yesterday, after reading a lot of your posts and thank you all for it. What convinced me was the new update that brings full notifications and better battery life. So far, I like it a lot, but of course 1 day is not enough.
There are 2 things I would like to ask other owners, who might have had it for longer time.
I read the post about the IP55 rating, but I would like to know if somebody really dropped it in water (most likely unintentionally), drop some water/liquid on it, got heavy rain, ecc. In other words, something more than washing hands or sweat.
Second point regards scratches. There are a lot of posts about this all over Internet, but very controversial. I would like to know if any of you had any scracth on the glass, the case or the buckle. If any of you experinced any serious bump, drops and so forth. I read somewhere that the GG has sapphire glass, but I seriously doubt it, as usually these glasses are very expensive and are used mostly on more expensive watches.
Thining logically, Samsung should have considered these issues, as after all, it is a watch and you want to wear it, so some kind of protection shluld be there. But I learnt that logic does not always work.
Any advice/experience you would like to share will be much appreciated!!!
Thank you very much,
Roger
I am using GEAR since end of OCT.
- water resistance - rain, drops of water is OK for the watch - if You search the forum you will even find the movie with the gear under kitchen tap water flowing on it. It is NOT ok for shower, swimming, diving etc. Generally - keep it away from water when possible. GEAR build quality is OK
If You wonder how SONY watch behaves - check their forum - a lot of complains and quality issues in general like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574988
- scratch resistance - Gear glass is NOT scratch resistant! it scratches very easy so keep it away from any hard objects, sand, metal, etc. Generally speaking- with the product life of maximum 1 year ( yes, we may expect GEAR II not later than September 2014) scratch resistance is not so important, and Samsung for sure will not use sapphire for the glass - it is too expensive.
I've had mine since day one and no problem with it whatsoever. I don't take it off when I wash my hands just careful not getting it wet.
Battery life is pretty strong as you go about two days. Don't have any scratches on it so far but I'm pretty careful when I'm around walls/tables/desks.
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I've had mine since day one and no problem with it whatsoever. I don't take it off when I wash my hands just careful not getting it wet.
Battery life is pretty strong as you go about two days. Don't have any scratches on it so far but I'm pretty careful when I'm around walls/tables/desks.
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Same here ^^^
I have washed my hands with mine on and have gotten water on it (even into the speaker area) no problems so far. Regarding scratched, I put on a skinomi shield (invisible shield type). Looks awesome! Super clear and can barely see it's on. I got the full body which has a cover for under the watch (not too sure why you would need it but I put on since it came with it). I should let you know that with the full body cover, the charger takes some work to get it to close but it's definitely close-able. Have fun with you new gear. I know I am.
Picked up a galaxy gear with carbon fiber skin protector from skinomi and it came with a screen protector too. Bought extra screen protectors off Amazon just in case. Everything running great and not worries about scratches anymore. Still very cautious around water though.
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Had mine for awhile as well. I don't worry about washing my hands or rain. Just wouldn't submerge it to be on the safer side. Scratches... The speaker clasp is pretty scratched up but I'm not too concerned about it. As for the face, I have hit/bumped/scraped on things such as desk, doors, walls, etc. So far it has held up well with no noticeable scratches. However I always worry every time I do bump it.
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I know this is a slightly callous thing to say, but suddenly watches have fallen into the bi-yearly replaceable category.
No longer are they finely hand crafted devices that merely tell you just the time (and sometimes the date), they are an extension of your phone. Generally my analogue time pieces would last me anywhere between 5-15 years. This is technology though and we all know it can become out of date very quickly. It's sad and I dislike this fact, but I know that in a year or two I will want to upgrade to keep up with the Jones'. Not just that, I guarantee the Note 6 won't support the original Gear.
We're stuck in the cycle now!
My gear has me essentially committed to samsung now. I usually switch out phones alot but no more. No nexus 5 for me I guess. I wish I didn't have to use some weird workaround to get it to work with another phone
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Skinomi Full Body Cover: Clasp Section Won't Adhere?
WRichieX said:
I have washed my hands with mine on and have gotten water on it (even into the speaker area) no problems so far. Regarding scratched, I put on a skinomi shield (invisible shield type). Looks awesome! Super clear and can barely see it's on. I got the full body which has a cover for under the watch (not too sure why you would need it but I put on since it came with it). I should let you know that with the full body cover, the charger takes some work to get it to close but it's definitely close-able. Have fun with you new gear. I know I am.
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Were you able to get the Skinomi clasp cover to stay on? Mine was very difficult to get on to begin with and I could never get the corners to adhere properly. Within a couple days, the corners were full of dirt. Skinomi sent me a new one, but same problem. Is there a trick to get the corners to stay down, or is the clasp cover just useless?
I am sure you ll enjoy your gg . I just bought one purely to be used when I am out on my motorbike as it will be alot easier to see who calls etc without reaching to my phone with gloves and stuff.
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I know this is a slightly callous thing to say, but suddenly watches have fallen into the bi-yearly replaceable category.
No longer are they finely hand crafted devices that merely tell you just the time (and sometimes the date), they are an extension of your phone. Generally my analogue time pieces would last me anywhere between 5-15 years. This is technology though and we all know it can become out of date very quickly. It's sad and I dislike this fact, but I know that in a year or two I will want to upgrade to keep up with the Jones'. Not just that, I guarantee the Note 6 won't support the original Gear.
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Learn some basic electronics work and you'll be able to keep stuff running for much longer. That won't help with stuff that just get outdated to the point where they're no longer useful, but I don't see all that much application for more processing power in a watch. In a few years, just open it up and swap the battery with one purchased for a few dollars on a site like HobbyKing.
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Learn some basic electronics work and you'll be able to keep stuff running for much longer. That won't help with stuff that just get outdated to the point where they're no longer useful, but I don't see all that much application for more processing power in a watch. In a few years, just open it up and swap the battery with one purchased for a few dollars on a site like HobbyKing.
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I don't need to know much about electronics to know that paying for Battery no matter how cheap, at HobbyKing or at the street corner against someone no longer useful is both immoral and illegal.
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I don't need to know much about electronics to know that paying for Battery no matter how cheap, at HobbyKing or at the street corner against someone no longer useful is both immoral and illegal.
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By the same logic, once the battery goes dead in your car, it's time to buy a new car because replacing the battery is "immoral and illegal". There's nothing wrong with trying to fix something you own.
This is truly an informative thread, thanks for all the detailed replies.
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I don't need to know much about electronics to know that paying for Battery no matter how cheap, at HobbyKing or at the street corner against someone no longer useful is both immoral and illegal.
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Maybe there is a language barrier issue, but Klau1, if it is your watch then of course you can replace the battery in it with a new one. This is not immoral or illegal in any way.
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Maybe there is a language barrier issue, but Klau1, if it is your watch then of course you can replace the battery in it with a new one. This is not immoral or illegal in any way.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(crime)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(crime)
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Lol. There is DEFINITELY a language barrier it seems.....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)
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@jonboyuk: It turns out the Note 4 doesn't even support the original Gear.
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@jonboyuk: It turns out the Note 4 doesn't even support the original Gear.
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It's working fine on my T-Mobile Note 4 running fireKat rom
Edit... Mostly fine. The usual unlock issue
Hey everyone (wow this place is dead)
I know Twitter pulled there app for Glass but is there a way anyone can help with sideloading it or am I out of luck? there's no 3rd party ones thaqt support Glass yet is there?
I agree it sucks this place is dead (you can always message me to discuss glass) as of right now there is no way to sideload a working android app
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I agree it sucks this place is dead (you can always message me to discuss glass) as of right now there is no way to sideload a working android app
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Really? Damnit! I'm on target to be getting my Glass at the start of January and tbh the lack of twitter support would kinda kill the wanting/need for it.
I know lol but I still recommend you get it because it's unique. You will enjoy glass! I actually have had 5 pairs
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I know lol but I still recommend you get it because it's unique. You will enjoy glass! I actually have had 5 pairs
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yeah that's the main reason I want one because no one else seems to have it. Also because some idiot here thought it would be a good idea to sell it to a pawnshop rather than sell it independently. brand new condition with earbuds and prescription frames for £550 (about 855$) instead of the 1,000 it normally costs I can't pass that up! but with the lack of twitter I dunno if i'd even use it?
Question though about it do all notifications from the phone show on Glass? and what about 3rd party music/podcasts apps does the music come through the earbuds on glass?
Glass acts as android wear so all your notifications and beamed onto your glass. Music you can upload all your songs to glass
Personally i find it a good phone except i find that there are some problems:
The emui homescreen, I find this a big one
water resistant, okey this isn't a big one but it was nice if it was included.
fingerprint scanner, on the p9 is now one but i'd loved if there was on this phone.
Glass on the back, although its nice i find this a hazard because its already cracked on me.
so what are your thought on this phone?
I LOVE IT Snappy as hell, Like the UI and comparable to phones more expensive.
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Personally i find it a good phone except i find that there are some problems:
The emui homescreen, I find this a big one
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As you probably know, this can be easily changed / improved by installing a different launcher. Do ask if you need suggestions.
I'm happy with the default & make good use of the 'folder' system, so 99% of my apps are on the main home screen.
[not] water resistant, okey this isn't a big one but it was nice if it was included.
[no] fingerprint scanner, on the p9 is now one but i'd loved if there was on this phone.
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Yes, would be nice to have those extra features (& more!). But you knew these limitations before buying the phone, didn't you?
Glass on the back, although its nice i find this a hazard because its already cracked on me.
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You mean the glass panel strip at the top around the rear camera? If yes, some others have also mentioned this happening to their P8.
You can buy a replacement for cheap & attempt a repair, or buy it & get a local phone repair shop to do it for you.
Back Rear Cover Top Glass replacement for P8 - from $2.44 (please be aware that some items in the search are for P8 Lite).
Instructions in this video (if it looks too difficult, take it to the phone repair shop).
...so what are your thought on this phone?
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No problems here - best phone I've ever owned, including the best camera (for me anyway).
The phone came pre-fitted with a screen protector & I bought a rear case almost immediately, so it still looks like new 7 months later.
After seeing newer & better-specced phones, there is a temptation to buy one of those, but I just cannot justify it (unless this develops a major fault or breaks completely).
I'm really happy with it overall. Speedy, nice display with plenty of resolution, very good size/weight/balance, takes great pictures, excellent battery life, fair amount of software updates (even if they're all labelled "beta").
My only gripes:
1) Wish I could disable more EMUI stuff (already switched launchers, but would love to kill e.g. knuckle-drag-select).
2) Lack of location-based Smart Unlock; I made sure it had Smart Unlock before buying, but assumed that meant the same feature-set I was used to on my Nexus.
3) Feeble vibration motor; I usually can't tell when it's buzzing in my pocket. This is the only one that actually makes me consider ditching the p8 for something else.