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This phone is a piece of...

... stupendously awesome hardware! I've had my N4 for a couple of days and it's been pretty nice, just rooted for TB and StickMount but apart from that absolutely stock. Upgraded from my Galaxy Nexus and can't think of any pros in favour of the GNex. Basically here's what I think about it:
Pros:
- Awesome build, the hold and feel of it is just miles better than any other android phone I've ever held (Note, I've never held a One X, but I can't imagine polycarbonate being better than glass). Although that makes it more fragile, but I keep it in a Mofi pouch to avoid scratches from surface although I don't plan on protecting it with a screen guard or cover (don't wanna loose that feel).
- Extremely fast, it's like the fastest thing out there. Puts my Nexus 7 to shame at times
- Camera's nice. Much better than the GNex, still slightly worse than a friend's GS3.
- The screen is beautiful, sure it has poorer blacks than AMOLED but otherwise the vibrancy and color reproduction is much better.
- Speaker has good volume and clarity, even when face up it doesn't get muffled to a point of silence.
- HUGE amounts of RAM makes multitasking an even more awesome experience
- Pretty much everything else everyone else as said so far...I don't need to repeat I guess
Cons:
- Awesome build, two sides of a coin I guess. Makes it pretty delicate.
- Gets hot, not unbearably but still pretty noticeable.
- Battery life can be slightly better, but it's been two days and I haven't started using custom kernels. I'm still managing more on stock than I could with my GNex with franco's
- No USB Host mode...seriously...Google?
- Can't think of anything else, it's a pretty good phone. Not going to include removable battery because I've never used an external battery.
So, in a nutshell it is a stupendously awesome phone.

I concur about the build quality. I am NOT putting a case on this phone. It's too gorgeous. Amex has me covered for 1 year for free as far as accidental damage or build flaws go anyway, and after 1 year I'll be buying the 'Nexus 5'.

c0LdFire said:
I concur about the build quality. I am NOT putting a case on this phone. It's too gorgeous. Amex has me covered for 1 year for free as far as accidental damage or build flaws go anyway, and after 1 year I'll be buying the 'Nexus 5'.
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...is it sad that I have the cheapest TPU case on my phone? lol

Dragooon123 said:
just rooted for TB and StickMount
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You probably will find one more "con" for your list if you're intending to use StickMount: the N4 doesn't support USB host mode (the hardware doesn't supply the 5V needed to power flash drives and other USB peripherals). Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Otherwise, I agree with the overall positive assessment.

wmm said:
You probably will find one more "con" for your list if you're intending to use StickMount: the N4 doesn't support USB host mode (the hardware doesn't supply the 5V needed to power flash drives and other USB peripherals). Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Otherwise, I agree with the overall positive assessment.
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Oh crap I forgot about that (read about it when I was sleepy but it went off my mind). Damnit...well I have my N7.

Dragooon123 said:
Oh crap I forgot about that (read about it when I was sleepy but it went off my mind). Damnit...well I have my N7.
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I'm still hopefully someone will get it up and running with a Y-cable and a custom Kernal. I am keeping my fingers crossed. I did buy a Wi-Drive from Kingston that will keep me held over for now....but when I fly (very infrequently) I may be SOL due to it being a "wifi device" and I will cause a plane crash (not).

Yes! Very pleased with this phone so far. Came from the gs2 and it is definitely a fine piece of hardware!! :laugh:

well said and I agree 100% OP

You forgot multitasking!
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letom said:
You forgot multitasking!
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Oh yes, the huge amount of RAM certainly shows.
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I got mine yesterday and agree 100%. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, I'd add the speaker volume to the pros list. The sound quality isn't great, but at least I can hear my phone ring. I missed so many calls on my GNex...

smooney3 said:
I got mine yesterday and agree 100%. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, I'd add the speaker volume to the pros list. The sound quality isn't great, but at least I can hear my phone ring. I missed so many calls on my GNex...
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agreed... (plus I love the screen much more on the N4 than the GNex.. reason I sold my Gnex)

While the height is almost identical as my gnex, I love that it is slightly wider. I always felt my gnex was too skinny.

Just wanted to comment, I to love this phone! I keep wanting to try custom Roms and kernels but trying to force myself to enjoy stock - first time on a nexus came from HTC and Samsung.
Only con would be battery life, doesn't seem bad but way less then the iPhone 4 I have been using for the last few weeks.
Maybe custom roms and kernels would help in that area though.
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c0LdFire said:
I concur about the build quality. I am NOT putting a case on this phone. It's too gorgeous. Amex has me covered for 1 year for free as far as accidental damage or build flaws go anyway, and after 1 year I'll be buying the 'Nexus 5'.
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Isn't Amex accidental coverage only 90 days? That's the time period for my Amex Blue.

c0LdFire said:
I concur about the build quality. I am NOT putting a case on this phone. It's too gorgeous. Amex has me covered for 1 year for free as far as accidental damage or build flaws go anyway, and after 1 year I'll be buying the 'Nexus 5'.
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1 year? I see its 90 days.... what card are you using?
edit: bleuiko beat me to it, same question. My Gold and Skymiles both say its 90 days.

I love the phone but Charles Barkley thinks it's turrible, turrible.

Visa also offers insurance for these phones after the one year manufacturer warranty is done.

smooney3 said:
I got mine yesterday and agree 100%. Coming from the Galaxy Nexus, I'd add the speaker volume to the pros list. The sound quality isn't great, but at least I can hear my phone ring. I missed so many calls on my GNex...
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Agreed, added to OP. BTW, my phone has a small scratch/chip on the glass just above the volume rocker. Not really visible unless you hold it an inch close under direct lighting but kinda annoyed me for an hour before .

This phone has some crazy ass multi tasking capabilities, had two games downloading in background (those in app downloads) and playing a third while occasionally switching to music/web browsing and YouTube and didn't lose any one of them
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What device did you upgrade from and how's your experience with the Note 4?

Tell us if the Note 4 is all you thought it would be?

Like I said before, these are all from within a year lol.... I switched from an iphone last November 2013
First was a Xperia Z1 (battery life was eh), Galaxy S4, HTC One M7, Galaxy S5 (only thing I miss is water resistance), LG G3 (love this phone but screen was not that great and very dim in the daytime) and now to my love of my life note 4! BEAUTIFUL! only thing I don't like is no option for soft keys (menu key has LAG and I don't like the Back button on the right side.

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Tell us if the Note 4 is all you thought it would be?
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Note 3 and the experience is horrible. My 4g lte isnt working but that's not for everyone's note 4 just some
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Galaxy S4. Experience has been underwhelming. Wonky GPS (loses the signal if phone is resting on my leg in the car), some apps occasionally think there is no wifi connection when there is (and being used by other apps). Aesthetically, it's a bit boxy for my taste. ART runtime isn't ready for actual use (causes the system to "update" 66 apps when I boot, extending boot time to about 5 mins, every time).

alhadee12 said:
Tell us if the Note 4 is all you thought it would be?
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I came from a Galaxy S3 and so far I'm really loving my new device. I was really close to getting the S5 but a few days/weeks after the S5 announcement, I started to read about the Note 4. It was a loooong wait but well worth it. The screen is amazing and just the size alone will make surfing the web and watching videos a lot more enjoyable.
I've played with the S-Pen and really enjoy it, which brings me to my question. I can't seem to figure out how to use the s-pen like a mouse when selecting text. I know there is an slightly different method using Air Command for this type of thing but I'm looking for the mouse-like text selecting. I thought that all I had to do was hold the button on the s-pen then drag and slide to select but it's not working for me. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

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I came from a Galaxy S3 and so far I'm really loving my new device. I was really close to getting the S5 but a few days/weeks after the S5 announcement, I started to read about the Note 4. It was a loooong wait but well worth it. The screen is amazing and just the size alone will make surfing the web and watching videos a lot more enjoyable.
I've played with the S-Pen and really enjoy it, which brings me to my question. I can't seem to figure out how to use the s-pen like a mouse when selecting text. I know there is an slightly different method using Air Command for this type of thing but I'm looking for the mouse-like text selecting. I thought that all I had to do was hold the button on the s-pen then drag and slide to select but it's not working for me. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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Just hold the button on the S-Pen and hover over the text and you'll see a line that will allow you to select the text.

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Note 3 and the experience is horrible. My 4g lte isnt working but that's not for everyone's note 4 just some
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I'm sorry to hear that but i came from a note 2 and on this note 4 i have amazing reception. I have lte almost everywhere i go now whereas before i had 4g

alhadee12 said:
Just hold the button on the S-Pen and hover over the text and you'll see a line that will allow you to select the text.
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Thanks, that was the piece I was missing....the slight hover at the beginning before dragging. :highfive:

Did anyone come from a Apple product or at least tried the iPhone 6 Plus?

alhadee12 said:
Did anyone come from a Apple product or at least tried the iPhone 6 Plus?
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My wife bought a 6+ when it was released. I've used it some.

From the original Galaxy ---through--> Galaxy S4 -> Note...skipped the S5 because I had the Note II -> Note III -> Now .....NOTE 4
Extremely happy with it. Can't gripe about much but here are some things I really wish they kept on or added*:
USB 3.0
Tempreture Sensor
Humidity Sensor
Speaker on the bottom and not on the back like it is now on the Note 4
4GB of RAM*
Here are the things I'm very grateful for:
The best screen EVER to date
Faster CPU
Faster GPU
METAL!
Better Camera/Sensor
Slightly bigger battery
Relocation of the SIM and microSD slot! No longer have to remove battery like you did on the Note 3
Redesigned rear cover (MUCH better, no more fake stitching)
Curved 2.5D screen
Heart Rate/O2 Sensor
UV Sensor....ehhh...either way pretty cool, but I'd rather have a TEMP and HUMIDITY sensor instead
METAL!
Did I say METAL?!
Finally what we've all been waiting for. A phone that feels like a million bucks in your hand.

RiverCity.45 said:
My wife bought a 6+ when it was released. I've used it some.
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Did you like or hate it?

alhadee12 said:
Did you like or hate it?
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I didn't hate it. I'm not an iPhone guy, but my wife loves it. She hated her Android phones, so she's happy. That's good for me.

RiverCity.45 said:
I didn't hate it. I'm not an iPhone guy, but my wife loves it. She hated her Android phones, so she's happy. That's good for me.
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I agree with you on that. My wife loves her iPhone as well.

The latest device I came from is the LG G3. Before that from last year, I went through the Xperia Z, HTC One M7, LG G2, Xperia Z1, before settling on Nexus 5.
I love the Note so far, first note I've tried. One thing I don't like is the lag from pressing the recents button, but I can live with it. Also not fond of the gap on the right side as I constantly have to blow the dust out, but again I can live with it. All in all best phone I've used so far and touchwiz is not as bad as it was before.
One thing though, I do like to use the pen to write my texts or Web addresses sometimes, and it's quite finicky in terms of recognizing what I type out. Sometimes I have to erase and retry several times which is annoying.

Note 3 vs. Note 4 - for anyone still on the fence

Had a friend record a video and I produced it, just in case anyone is on the fence about upgrading or is trying to decide if the price jump is worth it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBDR-jqLTf8

Had the note 3 and sold it due to its proximity sensor not working. Wish I hadn't. Have the note 4 now and love it. To be honest the only real difference to me is the new build quality. Less plastic and more metal.
The note 3 seemed just as fast and great. I would have bought another note 3 but they were selling only 100 euros less than the note 4

Some it was better in note 3...note 4 is needed updates asap

I have all the Samsung Note.
The difference for me between a Note 3 and 4 is all speed and screen.
I'm so happy with the upgrade and I must say I didn't expect to be so impressed about the difference.
So satisfied, but battery is hopelessly bad .
Like Note 1 and 2 the battery drain is ridiculous.
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jetbruceli said:
Had the note 3 and sold it due to its proximity sensor not working. Wish I hadn't. Have the note 4 now and love it. To be honest the only real difference to me is the new build quality. Less plastic and more metal.
The note 3 seemed just as fast and great. I would have bought another note 3 but they were selling only 100 euros less than the note 4
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Probably just needed canned air and blew it out.

I had note3 and now note 4, but I think it will be my last samsung, no root no party.

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Probably just needed canned air and blew it out.
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No the sensor was not installed properly and since the device was rooted the knox was tripped. So warranty no go!

I always rushed in upgrading Samusng phones like I bought note 2 and note 3 brand new after few days of launch but not any more. I believe the price difference is not worth spending as of now so I am waiting for price to go down.

I got my upgrade yesterday from note 3 to note 4 and apart from the build quality and the camera there doesnt seem to be that much of a difference if im honest.
i use it for work and was a little disappointed that knox was not available on the 910f model yet, i also tried my knox but that doesn't work on this model at the moment either.
apart from that it's all good ☺

It's not a 'shut up and take my money'
It's like a 'go back to the labs'
note edge looks more attractive. if it has borders on 4 edges I would say 'shut up and take my money'
I'll hold my N3 for a while. the gap prices are short in my country.
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I'm sure Samsung know that metal is less than ideal on a phone, it's a stupid fad.
Note 4 has sharp edges too. It also has that bevelled edge to the glass which is great if you run without a protector but terrible if you do I hated the 2 for that.
Definitely not moving from the 3 to a sharp edged phone, my 4 upgrade in January will most likely get sold immediately.

Richh3nson said:
I got my upgrade yesterday from note 3 to note 4 and apart from the build quality and the camera there doesnt seem to be that much of a difference if im honest.
i use it for work and was a little disappointed that knox was not available on the 910f model yet, i also tried my knox but that doesn't work on this model at the moment either.
apart from that it's all good ☺
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Really 910F doesn't support MyKnox app?
Is this temporary? Or F doesn't include any knox chips or whatever?
Still testing knox on my 910C and seems that it's pretty nice feature.
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bat0nas said:
Really 910F doesn't support MyKnox app?
Is this temporary? Or F doesn't include any knox chips or whatever?
Still testing knox on my 910C and seems that it's pretty nice feature.
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I've managed to get it working after some manual setup. It threw me as 910f was missing the knox website but that should be changed soon.

jetbruceli said:
No the sensor was not installed properly and since the device was rooted the knox was tripped. So warranty no go!
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I'm so sorry for You but even if Knox was tripped You can ask for a repair in warranty if You live in Europe. I'm a consumer lawyer and for my clients I always get warranty service from Samsung even if they try to refuse the reparations.

I am decided to stay on note 3. Then....

Patosbuddy said:
I have all the Samsung Note.
The difference for me between a Note 3 and 4 is all speed and screen.
I'm so happy with the upgrade and I must say I didn't expect to be so impressed about the difference.
So satisfied, but battery is hopelessly bad .
Like Note 1 and 2 the battery drain is ridiculous.
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My experience with the Note 4 is almost the opposite, apart from the screen. Battery life on my Note 4 is very good, at the end of the evening always between 30 and 40% left.
Speed of the device is a different story, stutters all over the place. Totally random, while switching launcher pages, scrolling through calendar or contacts (appr. 120 contacts) and other apps with "list view". My Note is 100% stock.
Not to forget, the fingerprintscanner is an annoying piece of hardware. Having my right thumb fingerprint registered 3 times I always have to swipe more than once/twice in order to unlock.
I'm absolutely not happy with the "update"!!

mcreego said:
I'm so sorry for You but even if Knox was tripped You can ask for a repair in warranty if You live in Europe. I'm a consumer lawyer and for my clients I always get warranty service from Samsung even if they try to refuse the reparations.
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Well I would have done that, I live in Germany but it would have taken them quite a bit of time. I sold it for 500 euros and explained the issue to the buyer. I bought a nexus 5 and Nexus 7 2013 with that money. To my surprise the Nexus series do NOT accept USB OTG natively. I had to get Stickmount from Chainfire to use any additional storage. It really made me wish for my note 3 back even with the sensor issue.
When my wife got the s5, I immediately realized why I like Touchwhiz and its lag. It comes out of the box with a lot of features that other devices need root for..
Like USB OTG
Customized quick settings
All share, (no need for all cast)
Also its cameras are always better with its features.
Plus micro sd
Battery removal and last but not least, It comes with in my opinion the best screens. I love Super OMLED.

Ce said:
My experience with the Note 4 is almost the opposite, apart from the screen. Battery life on my Note 4 is very good, at the end of the evening always between 30 and 40% left.
Speed of the device is a different story, stutters all over the place. Totally random, while switching launcher pages, scrolling through calendar or contacts (appr. 120 contacts) and other apps with "list view". My Note is 100% stock.
Not to forget, the fingerprintscanner is an annoying piece of hardware. Having my right thumb fingerprint registered 3 times I always have to swipe more than once/twice in order to unlock.
I'm absolutely not happy with the "update"!!
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It sounds like you don't have the latest firmware.
I can't make my phone lag at all.
I can scroll as fast as I in contacts (988) pictures (764)
with out any lagging.
If you take a picture and press the photo on the left lower corner.
If it doesn't pop up instantly I guess your phone is on the same firmware as min was before I updated.
It was lagging in every way before update.
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Patosbuddy said:
It sounds like you don't have the latest firmware.
I can't make my phone lag at all.
I can scroll as fast as I in contacts (988) pictures (764)
with out any lagging.
If you take a picture and press the photo on the left lower corner.
If it doesn't pop up instantly I guess your phone is on the same firmware as min was before I updated.
It was lagging in every way before update.
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You're right, I don't have the latest firmware.

i got note4 cheap so upgrade was right to do.
in my opinion they polished everything that was not so good on note3 like edge, camera, adding fingerprint lock, front camera, fast charge and for me usb 2.0.
but if someone would ask me would you pay 50% more to get note 4 i would say no.
Biggest disadvantage on note 4 is that he does not have temperature and humidity sensor (((

Is it true that the NOTE 5 doesn't (DOES NOT) have an IR BLASTER (remote)

Is it true that the NOTE 5 doesn't (DOES NOT) have an IR BLASTER (remote) ???
if it doesnt that is my total deal breaker ontop of the no sd card support. wtf samsung is going backwards not forwards. im seriously considering xiaomi

XeoNoX said:
Is it true that the NOTE 5 doesn't (DOES NOT) have an IR BLASTER (remote) ???
if it doesnt that is my total deal breaker ontop of the no sd card support. wtf samsung is going backwards not forwards. im seriously considering xiaomi
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It's very true!
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princeasi said:
It's very true!
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thanks for the confirmation...damn that blows...samsung removing features ever since the s5....best phone was the s5....IR blaster...water resistant..sd card...removable battery... cmon samsung.

Its a fact jack
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I felt how you do while deciding if I should get the N5. After purchasing it, I can say I have no regrets. The features of the N5 are beastly! The ir is not missed as I thought it would be!
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Yeah it doesn't have it, but I have not cared so far.

No IR blaster and the headphone jack has been moved to the bottom.

yea havent missed the "removed" features in the slightest. honestly, aside from the loss of a SD card slot I could care less. I have never even used the IR blaster except when i was trolling my friends as they were trying to watch TV.

Margucci said:
yea havent missed the "removed" features in the slightest. honestly, aside from the loss of a SD card slot I could care less. I have never even used the IR blaster except when i was trolling my friends as they were trying to watch TV.
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LOL, that was always fun. ive done that a few times and would love to throw it in iphone users face ...like your iphone cant do that!! haha ....but im not laughing anymore as Samsung is going the way of iPhone. I actually did use it for my personal uses at home...esp with the window AC and my tv. I kinda already got spoiled with the IR blaster to the point my next phone has to have one. I dont know why samsung is removing features instead of adding features...they are try to be similar to iphone and Samsung will fade out to iphone if they keep it up. as apple tends to have more "loyal customers"...Power android users like features and good hardware and thats something Samsung is not delivering as of late...instead samsung is opting for visutal imporvments with slight hardware upgrades and removing features.

the galaxy line has been plagued by feature bloat. i assume that they did their research and didnt remove features that a great many of their customers were using on a regular basis.

XeoNoX said:
Is it true that the NOTE 5 doesn't (DOES NOT) have an IR BLASTER (remote) ???
if it doesnt that is my total deal breaker ontop of the no sd card support. wtf samsung is going backwards not forwards. im seriously considering xiaomi
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Why do you jump in whenever a new phone comes out trying to make people disappointed , you did this in the S6 forum and now here, If you don't want to buy the phone it is up to you, but please don't make others feel bad about their phones.
Note: Below is a link to your S6 thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/disappointed-s6-list-reasons-t3044369

IR Blaster was a novelty I used only a couple times, but I had secretly hoped for waterproofing on the N5 because I like bubble baths and Netflix. Whatever... I'm sure the novelty would have worn off quickly for that too. (read: I'll bet those golden tickets make the chocolate taste terrible!)

shafez said:
Why do you jump in whenever a new phone comes out trying to make people disappointed , you did this in the S6 forum and now here, If you don't want to buy the phone it is up to you, but please don't make others feel bad about their phones.
Note: Below is a link to your S6 thread.
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becuase i was highly anticipating both of them and both of them got screwed hardware wise...they removed water proofing, moved headphone jack, now they removed the IR blaster on note 5, and they removed sd card...what are they making??? a fake iphone...if i wanted a iphone i would get one. all the features i liked they are removing. Its ok though not my problem in the long run...when samsung sales are down they will wonder why...cuz im sure i wont be the only one putting my money into a different android phone.

Who even starts a thread with is it true. Are you borat?
If the IR blaster is a deal breaker you need some real priority realignment. Go get yourself a logitech harmony or something and bugger off

Lol 2x at that last post.

I don't really care the IR is gone, never used it anyways for one simple reason: I can use my TV remote and perfectly control it without even looking, just by touching the buttons. So although some apps would allow me to build a super sophisticated macro system to control everything up to the second, it was always annoying i had to look at screen all the time to make sure im pressing the right buttons...so i never really used it anyways.

phil.W said:
Who even starts a thread with is it true. Are you borat?
If the IR blaster is a deal breaker you need some real priority realignment. Go get yourself a logitech harmony or something and bugger off
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with that mentality you might as well just carry a plain phone if they were to remove all "extra features"...if they stripped all the features you could come up with a replacement device for every feature they removed.
example of your logic:
no removable battery = carry charger
no removable sd card = buy larger capacity phone or get a mp3 player or external video player or flash drive to carry your files
not water proof = get a water proof case
no ir blaster = just buy a remote
no music player = just buy a mp3 player
no videos = use a laptop
headphone jack not in place u want it = buy another music device that does have it in right location
screen not good enough for you = go buy a 4k tv
my point was Samsung is removing "handy" features instead of adding them....Samsung is going backwards instead of forwards.

It is cost versus desirability.
Obviously samsung did some research and decided that the IR sensors cost was too high versus the number of people that used it.
They didn't remove it just to annoy you, I assure you.

note5 and s6 edge is like iphone clone. if iphone dont have ir buster, samsung phones cant have it !

netnerd said:
note5 and s6 edge is like iphone clone. if iphone dont have ir buster, samsung phones cant have it !
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The thing is no one used it. Sure there are a few oddballs out there that did, but why include something in the hardware that a vast majority find useless. Like guy said 2 posts above, there were very likely focus groups that helped refine the final product and an IR blaster just didn't make the cut.

Flagship? Disappointment!

Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?

Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.

Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html

nizmoz said:
Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html
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Personally I think the real challenge that Samsung Has is in the processor. Snapdragaon and Exynos have both seen decent improvments over the years but they don't hold a candle to what Apple has done with theirs. Not sure if they will ever win that battle, but I hope they can get closer.
I also believe that we are all going to be blown away by the S10 when it comes out. Samsung is putting ALL of the new HOT stuff they have been working on - INscreen Fingerprint scanner to name one - and I bet there will be bunch more!
I am getting the note 9, I just can't help myself - I am an addict when it comes to these devices - but I am really excited to see what is giong to happen when the S10 comes out.

You're getting too edgy with this. Pie was not relased during the development and 5g is still far away. Talking about the gps thing even my s7edge gets 4meter accuracy while driving what else do u need? An inch of accuracy!

The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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alltaken123 said:
Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Very well said.

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Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Name one note that released with that years version of android.
Complaining about not being on the latest version of android (that was just released) while ignoring all the added samsung functionality is kind of a short sighted comparison..

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Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Alltaken123,
I would definitely hire you as a customer service rep for Samsung! You have a plausible explanation for the concerns mentioned and your words are very well spoken. Thank you.
Couple of points to consider…
On the GPS chip: anybody who has walked the streets of Tokyo using any current smartphone GPS knows the frustration when you walk around the block three times because reflected GPS signals keep causing the blue dot to jump 100’s of meters when you think you are at your destination. It would be great to have the accuracy and reflected signal rejection Broadcom’s new chip promises.
On the “in glass fingerprint recognition“ that feature is dubious when a phone has facial recognition & a great back side fingerprint scanner... but it’s something new to hype.
And now my favorite… Larger batteries and the direction the industry has moved towards. Your explanation of Samsung being extremely cautious makes perfect sense and is a likely driver for their decision. That’s said, Samsung’s A9 realeased in 2016 with a 5,000 mah battery had no issues. Because it had a mid tier CPU it truly delivered 2 days of heavy use.
I probably should put this one in a separate thread but here’s the short version of what’s going on with battery capacities: phone makers match their battery mah capacity to approximately one day’s worth of power consumption. Why? Because when you charge your phone every day you’ll end up wearing the battery out within two years. In the “old days with replaceable batteries“ you could extend the life of your phone a few years by changing the battery. Now with sealed-in batteries you are virtually compelled to buy a new $800 electronic monitoring bracelet every two years. Pretty slick from a business perspective. Before someone jumps in and tells me you can’t have a water resistant phone with a removable battery, let me share my experience with phones in the Japanese domestic market. Japanese have had replaceable batteries in many of their water resistant cell phones since the 1990s. All it takes is a good o-ring and a decent latch. Today, however, Japan is “mostly” onboard with the lucrative (albeit wasteful) sealed-in battery scheme.

nuclearrage said:
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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5g evolution is already in many cities like dfw. And the note 8 supports it. Full 5g won’t be here anytime in the next couple of years.
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nuclearrage said:
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.

papashex said:
+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.

Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.

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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...

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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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I feel exactly the opposite. The curve makes edge swipe gestures far more useful, and I have come to rely on them significantly.

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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen.
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Not alone! To be honest I just like the way the curved glass looks... I always found it gave the phone a more premium feel. Given the choice I would still take curved over flat edges, even though I don't even use the Edge features. Purely an aesthetic preference for me, but others of course may have different tastes and requirements.

Jammol said:
Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Sometimes the screen protector situation bothers me but Im all for curved glass. Looks sexy

PsiPhiDan said:
Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...
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I like the curved glass screen because of edge display and the edge features. Yes it can be a but annoying with accidental touches but the trade off is worth it for me.
As far as the screen protector issue, that has nothing to do with Samsung. All those screen protector makers are being cheap and stupid. They make full coverage ones with only adhesive on the sides, and they also make case friendly ones with full adhesive. Why the heck can they not make a full coverage one with full adhesive?! Seems very stupid to me that they are having such a hard time making a dang protector that handles both things.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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onepiece said:
Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.
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It's only a gimmick if you don't find a use for it. I can think of a lot of people that classifies the SPen as a gimmick. I use the heck out of mine, at least I thought I did until I met a guy that has to replace the tip of his SPen every month! He hooked me up with 3 bags of tips a few months ago after I got my Note 8. I haven't even replaced the tip yet for my original one.

I come to rely Alot on the apps edge since I started using the s7 edge. It helps me switch apps much faster than using the recent button. Well we can have apps That do the same thing but the curve makes it very smooth and natural to use

onepiece said:
Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Excited for the Note 9. Pre-ordered the 512gb already.
What does Android P have that Samsung's Oreo does not have more of?
What's the point of hurriedly introducing 5G when the tech is not yet mature. That would make the Note 9 a beta phone which I'm glad it's not.
I agree with the missing GPS chip.
I also agree with a 5kmAh battery
Overall I'm very happy with the Note 9 and consider it a big upgrade over the Note 8.